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Reply #60 posted 02/26/10 7:44pm

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NuPwrSoul said:

databank said:



A very interesting analysis though i wouldn't agree with most of it: Prince has always been a preacher as far as "Uptown" and this was in 1980. He is, of course, more confident about where he stands now because, hell, the man's 51! & still in this song he keeps admitting his own "dark side" and says what he was already saying in 92 (remember "My name is Prince": "i got 2 sides & they're both friends").

Also, on songs such as the quite recent "4ever" or "Here" (no matter how fictionnal or "real" they might be, that's up to Per Nielsen to learn about it & tell us in 20 years), Prince keeps showing/admitting a sensitive if not fragile side of himself, as well as doubts about his emotional stability and capacity to handle a love affair/rejection.

From "Controversy" to "Strange but true" & up to now prince has always been a mix of self-confidence and doubts and i don't see much change except that he knows more how to handle it personnaly than he used to: once again that's maturity, experience and a religion that is now regulated by strict rules instead of being his own mix of whatever he liked in the Bible and whatever he liked in the Flower Power movement and whatever he liked in Buddhism or whatever else (remember him talking about reincarnation around 1995).

As for the "i" vs. "we", let's remember that back in the 80's Prince made up bands such as The Time & so on 2 create the illusion he was part (& leader) of a movement (both musical & spiritual), a game he definitely gave up playing after 1998's "new power pack" with Larry & Chaka: he just quit pretending and assumed that he is one person who might have "followers" ("Letitgo": "now i've got an army & we're 3 million strong" -> 3 million was Prince's approximate fanbase back in 94) but who isn't part of any aesthetical or spiritual movement that he would have generated. In a sense, his admittance of being a JW is even a counterpoint 2 this "I instead of we" in the sense that Prince didn't CREATE or GENERATE JW's in the sense that he created the Revolution, The Minneapolis Sound or the New Power Generation.
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I hear what you're saying, but I think Prince's pronouncements earlier in his career allowed for greater ambiguity and therefore openness and doubt, elements that both make for some of the most engaging art. Until The Rainbow Children, I never got the sense that Prince had constructed strict Manichean dichotomies of us vs. them, me vs. you, those who are saved vs. "The Banished Ones" etc. His use of the Bible prior to his association with the Jehovah's Witnesses highlighted the Love of God, where as now he seems just as if not more fixated on the LAW of God and obedience. ("Is it better to be a follower or a leader?" he asked during the One Nite Alone shows, with followers being rewarded with a stage seat.)

I DO think that his more recent work reflects maturity--musical & lyrical. This is someone who is at peace with himself and his life. Even in his interactions (when he had them) with his audience/fans during the Celebrations, etc., reflected that fact that he was moving toward a comfortability with himself that I don't think we'd seen before. So don't get me wrong I'm not knocking him for it. I think many people often make that journey.


We agree 99%, then wink

There is definitely less ambiguity but manicheism? Mmmh... "Lovesexy/God" Vs. "Spooky Electric/The devil"? "Temptation" and the whole Purple Rain Tour speech? So ok, this was more inside aspects than it was after TRC. Still (but we should move to "politics & religion" now lol), manicheism is deeply rooted in judeo-christiano-muslim's tradition (an aspect which is quite absent from the hindu-buddhist tradition) and Prince is a christion by education, so it was always there except that, as you accurately say, Prince has now chosen his side for good, leaving US to choose ours (and potentially being OUT, but with a door left for redemption.)
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Reply #61 posted 02/26/10 7:45pm

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Damn...tell us how u really feel. Not bad...I could get into it more if I could download and listen in my car. Hope a new album is coming.
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Reply #62 posted 02/26/10 7:47pm

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THIS STATEMENT (i'd love to be able to download it and to be a member of priviliged fans and i'm frustrated because i can't and i'm not):
Not only that, but it is not downloadable from lameusflow3r.com. Once again $77 well spent for a track a memeber can listen to on a minneapolis radio station.

IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF THIS STATEMENT (i don't give a shit about this music because it sucks):
Billy Sparks was right in the Purple Rain Movie, "Nobody digs your music but yourself, Kid" Actually, It is rarley that the "Music" isn't great but the lyrics these days are just so f'n boring and meaningless.


falloff

Decide why you're angry at Prince but it can't be for two OPPOSITE reasons lol

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Reply #63 posted 02/26/10 7:53pm

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alexnvrmind said:

When I hear efforts like this and 'Purple and Gold' it dawns on me why he never released that $700 / 7 disc collection of sounds / loop samples (I know some of you all remember what I am talking about). It must of occurred to him that if he did, some of us fans could have made the music we wanted and then sell it to the rest of us. lol (I'm just saying!) Peace!


See reply #36. whistling

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Reply #64 posted 02/26/10 8:03pm

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I think if any orger has been so consistently disappointed with Prince's output for an extremely long period of time that it's time to move on already. Obviously he isn't doing what you need him to do as an artist. Keep in mind though many on here bashed other songs and CDs only to have them grow on them over time. so before you go on the 'this song is Prince by the numbers' bandwagon maybe you should give it some time. If it's really over for you then let it be over already.
When eye go 2 a Prince concert or related event it's all heart up in the house but when eye log onto this site and the miasma of bitchiness is completely overwhelming!
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Reply #65 posted 02/26/10 8:06pm

mrsquirrel

"something amazing is about to go down"

cause and effect

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Reply #66 posted 02/26/10 8:08pm

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Reply #67 posted 02/26/10 8:11pm

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HatrinaHaterwitz said:

alexnvrmind said:

When I hear efforts like this and 'Purple and Gold' it dawns on me why he never released that $700 / 7 disc collection of sounds / loop samples (I know some of you all remember what I am talking about). It must of occurred to him that if he did, some of us fans could have made the music we wanted and then sell it to the rest of us. lol (I'm just saying!) Peace!


See reply #36. whistling

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[Edited 2/26/10 19:54pm]


Oops! My bad! It's hard to keep up with everything! I mean we are on Part II of this thread. But I'll try and do a better job of catching myself.
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Reply #68 posted 02/26/10 8:15pm

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So if you add the 3 pages of comments to the 27 pages of comments that makes 30. Really? you think people are gonna read your post? If you don't comment by at least page 2 you are too late, nobody's gonna read your post.
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Reply #69 posted 02/26/10 8:25pm

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NuPwrSoul said:

His art no longer asks questions, but aspires to provide answers. It's not inviting. When he declares, "I am here" and then asks "Where are you?" one gets the sense that he's not really interested in where "you" are, as much as he is preoccupied in telling us where "I am." This artist believes his "here" is where everyone should be.

It's an old and tried true story, but one gets the sense that in his work it is forced or contrived--it's not organic. His metaphors and language is too easily and directly drawn from religious scripture. Maybe Prince feels if you're going to, what better to signify on than what's believed to be Divine words? What it means is that we're not going to get yellow daisies in the yard, bubble baths with pants on, animals striking curious poses or any of that weird-only-Prince-could-come-up-with-this-shit type of language.

Now THAT is well said! Think back to 2004 when Musicology was out, and he was saying "I am music." That seems very off, and ego-driven to me, to the point that it went beyond knowing you're a professional and gifted, to "There will never be another like me". Maybe not, but pride comes before a fall. Lucifer thought he could be better than God, and look where that got him. Forever damned. I think Prince has been tumbling down hill for a long time, and it's a very slippery slope.

It's a bit like a mad genius. They start out as a prodigy, then end up curing AIDS or something, then go wacky and start trying to cross breed roses with chickens or something. The same goes for writers. The all have that "zone" of perfection, rawness, and incredible prowess, then they get too comfortable with the gift. They don't hone it anymore. They hit a brick wall, and think "I've achieved everything with this gift, now I can rest on that and do whatever." Yes, but when you were "doing whatever", and you were still in the mode of honing the gift, THAT'S when it was good. When they rest on the gift and just dally around with it is when everything goes wacky . I feel like Prince is slowly seeping into that mad genius phase now, where everything is going to be so off the wall and weird that no one will give a shit anymore.

I've said it before - Prince has forgotten who "Prince" is, and what he's all about.

None of my comments have anything to do with the song. I was just bouncing off what you said.
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Reply #70 posted 02/26/10 8:27pm

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Reply #71 posted 02/26/10 8:39pm

setyrmindphree

databank said:

setyrmindphree said:



THIS STATEMENT (i'd love to be able to download it and to be a member of priviliged fans and i'm frustrated because i can't and i'm not):
Not only that, but it is not downloadable from lameusflow3r.com. Once again $77 well spent for a track a memeber can listen to on a minneapolis radio station.

IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF THIS STATEMENT (i don't give a shit about this music because it sucks):
Billy Sparks was right in the Purple Rain Movie, "Nobody digs your music but yourself, Kid" Actually, It is rarley that the "Music" isn't great but the lyrics these days are just so f'n boring and meaningless.


falloff

Decide why you're angry at Prince but it can't be for two OPPOSITE reasons lol

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[Edited 2/26/10 19:51pm]


Of course it's a contradiction, just like his f'n website. The first comment is more stating my frustration about being duped (once again) by prince and forking over money for another website that does not provide an opportunity to download - yes - even a crappy song as a member. Did you sign up for the site?

Again, how prince sells and markets his web content is rarley consistent with what one actually gets. The site has been functioning about a year now. And not much has been done with it. What the hell, what if it was actually a song worth downloading, then I'd be really pissed. smile

The song stinks lyrically but the music is interesting. Been a fan since 1981 and still find some of his new music worth repeated listens. Those are very few. It's just over the last many albums I find myself enjoying the anticipation of something that will be memorable far, far more than what is delivered.

The Sparks comment is a perfect one line critique for much of his work (mostly lyrically) over the past 2 decades. I wish half the time he would just do instruemntal albums. I could dig a "Cause and Effect" instrumental.
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Reply #72 posted 02/26/10 8:45pm

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Reply #73 posted 02/26/10 8:45pm

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alexnvrmind said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:



See reply #36. whistling

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[Edited 2/26/10 19:54pm]


Oops! My bad! It's hard to keep up with everything! I mean we are on Part II of this thread. But I'll try and do a better job of catching myself.


No prob! I was just pointing you to the specifics of what you were recalling because I too remembered. thumbs up!
I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart.
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Reply #74 posted 02/26/10 8:52pm

Marie0124

His song gives inspiration and spirituality.
"Couse And Effect",that's right. yesheart
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Reply #75 posted 02/26/10 9:25pm

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falloff The lyrics are pathetic, the beat is corny as hell but the ending is pretty cool. I might put it on my iPod and set it to start at the last breakdown.
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Reply #76 posted 02/26/10 9:26pm

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I liked it all except for the "Hey hey heys", sounded so Bon Jovi like.
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Reply #77 posted 02/26/10 9:36pm

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Whoever suggested that Kings of Leon song, "Crawl," is a GENIUS!!

Now THERE'S a rocker. It isn't the best song in the world, and the vocalist is kind of annoying, but still. It has REAL energy and drive, and it doesn't try to do too much.


The new Prince song is just...weak. He's got so much cheese in his music now, seriously. Tons of corny effects and other bull crap that just get in the way...(synths primarily, but other elements too, like the crappy use of horns, etc.)

He just can't straight-up rock can he? He just CAN'T. Damn.
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Reply #78 posted 02/26/10 9:42pm

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I'm not sure if anyone has brought this up yet...the verse for Cause and Effect is VERY similar to Dolly Parton's 9 to 5.

Listen to both tracks and let me know what you think.
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Reply #79 posted 02/26/10 9:51pm

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There's a lot to like about it - the guitar, bass and drums interplay - the drum fills in particular are top notch (doubt it's Prince). I also like the amitious nature of the composition - going through a variety of different sections. Even the cheesy "heys" and "ladies and gentlemen" give it a certain naive charm. Maybe a little over-produced in places, but still cool.

Reminds me of:
Cybersingle
Glasscutter
Rock 'n Roll Is Alive
the 'rock' section of Last December
and it's got that rock/poppy vibe of The Morning After

At this early stage, I'd give it a 3.5/5

All you people bitching need to take a chill-pill. It's not like it's a high profile single release or anything with album and video backing. It appears that it's just a one-off song sent to a local radio station. Back in the day no one outside of Minneapolis would have even heard this unless it leaked on some hissy 4th generation cassette bootleg a year later! Take it for what it is - a fun little pop/rocker cool
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Reply #80 posted 02/26/10 9:52pm

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Mars23 said:

The other thread is still open for continuing conversations, but it is getting slow.

Here's a new one so you have a choice to start new topics or go to part I and continue.

[Full version here: http://minnesota.publicra...fect.shtml - Mars23]

or listen right here


/**/

[Track is now up on lotusflow3r.com as well]

Unconfirmed lyrics courtesy of orger; IstenSzek:




"cause and effect"

i am here. where are you?
ladies and gentlemen.....

cause and effect
hey, hey, hey

if had the chance to do it all again
i wouldn't change a thing, except my next of kin
there's something on the tip of my tongue
-got a taste for sin
if you stamp your passport full of regret
you have nothing to remember but a lot to forget
leave no enemies, leave no debt

made in the image of cause and effect <--Lyrics out for debate
to no other man am i the subject
i am what i am because & effect
cause & effect
hey, hey, hey

If i could talk to myself back then right now
i'd say 'son you might wanna, stick around
something amazing is about to go down'
if i could leave myself just 1 little note
one that husbands and fathers wrote
it say 'you need to be a superstar or grow up,
but not both'

made in the image of cause and effect
to no other man am i the subject
i am what i am because & effect
cause & effect
hey, hey, he

cause and effect
ladies and gentlemen
rock/roll rock/roll

i am here. where are you?
ooooh oooh. haha. hey eh heh oh hoh

don't let them say your paper's worth more than gold
i see a generation lay down before they get old
and getting endlessly sold
you need compassion for one another
righter than wrong
that's what needs to be at the heart of every past
and future soul song

made in the image of cause and effect
to no other man am i the subject
i am what i am because & effect
cause & effect
hey, hey, he

look at y'all. brains splattered
all over...moneyapolis

ladies and gentlemen
rock/roll rock/roll



thanks Mars for posting the lyrics to Cause and Effect.

I'm groovin on this track. I find the guitar riffs exciting. Even when I play it a few times, and I'm reading or doing something else... I hear that guitar kick in and .. the excitement is like Whooaaa. let me stop what I'm doing and take a listen! It just catches my ears. That's just for starters.

I think it will grow on the haters. There are a LOT of folks that ALWAYS hate it when a track first comes out... then after a while, they do a 180. And refer back to the day when this or that track came out and how awesome they it was.
They forget how they talked smack against it back in that day. . I've seen that go down for a long time now.

I like the set .... I'm listening to on Lotusflow3r.

anybody know where this was recorded? and when? I know it says live ..but where are YOU PRINCE? lol. where was this recorded?

cuz ya'll I thought it was a track turned over to the radio station in Minneapolis.
maybe I misunderstood.

someone wanna enlighten me on this please?

thanks

peace


mercury in retrograde
having it's day
a compliment paid
turned away
a friend was lost
when something innocent
said went wrong

so upset was she
over her mis-speak
she drank herself half blind
As she arose,
from her seat
fall did she
breaking a shoulder
burdens of the heart
can weigh so heavy
at times.
[Edited 2/26/10 23:42pm]
this is the time of the first fast.
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Reply #81 posted 02/26/10 9:55pm

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Sounds like it was done with the same synth voice as Lolita?
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Reply #82 posted 02/26/10 9:55pm

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toejam said:

There's a lot to like about it - the guitar, bass and drums interplay - the drum fills in particular are top notch (doubt it's Prince). I also like the amitious nature of the composition - going through a variety of different sections. Even the cheesy "heys" and "ladies and gentlemen" give it a certain naive charm. Maybe a little over-produced in places, but still cool.

Reminds me of:
Cybersingle
Glasscutter
Rock 'n Roll Is Alive
the 'rock' section of Last December
and it's got that rock/poppy vibe of The Morning After

At this early stage, I'd give it a 3.5/5

All you people bitching need to take a chill-pill. It's not like it's a high profile single release or anything with album and video backing. It appears that it's just a one-off song sent to a local radio station. Back in the day no one outside of Minneapolis would have even heard this unless it leaked on some hissy 4th generation cassette bootleg a year later! Take it for what it is - a fun little pop/rocker cool


yeahthat
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Reply #83 posted 02/26/10 10:08pm

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diggin this track fallinluv
I believe in horns!
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Reply #84 posted 02/26/10 10:10pm

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setyrmindphree said:

barf fart boo lemon lemon toilet barf beans doody barf


Not only that, but it is not downloadable from lameusflow3r.com. Once again $77 well spent for a track a memeber can listen to on a minneapolis radio station.

Billy Sparks was right in the Purple Rain Movie, "Nobody digs your music but yourself, Kid" Actually, It is rarley that the "Music" isn't great but the lyrics these days are just so f'n boring and meaningless.

I wont pay a cent 2 this man anymore. I'm so tired of this. Yes even Lady Gagas Bad Romance kicks this songs ass more than twice and I'm now I'm nice. The only hater is Prince. No tour. Not release a great album worldwide with real promotion (LF) and JW crap in every song. Hallelulja what a man he is these days.
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Reply #85 posted 02/26/10 10:12pm

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OK, I move my question over here:

How do we make Prince happy (again)..... ?

After all the negative comments to "Purple & Gold" & "Cause & Effect" Prince can't be that happy reading the Org.

Actually my guess is he's quite shocked by the reactions to his new song, he is of course used to critisism, but this has been a really "negative experience", my guess (again) is, he is not happy with us at all:

Of course Orgers only speak their opinions and most of us are disappointed....

"Cause & Effect" wasn't the excellent track we all hoped for, people are beginning to doubt: will he ever release another brilliant song or album again.

But lets forget the fan's negativity for a moment, and remember Prince as the true legend he is: who made us proud, writing, producing and playing some of the most brilliant music / albums on earth:

Prince's Warner Bros. catalogue 1978-1995 will always be considered a brilliant work of art !

My question to you (Orgers).....:


In case Prince is a bit shocked and unhappy with the reactions to his new song, how can we make him happy again... ?








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Reply #86 posted 02/26/10 10:22pm

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I really hope P doesn't read all these comments cause some of you are way too harsh.. Personally I love the track & think it sounds like it's from the same album as F.U.N.K. "I am here, fuck everyone else Prince, you rock" smile
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Reply #87 posted 02/26/10 10:24pm

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thedance said:

OK, I move my question over here:

How do we make Prince happy (again)..... ?

After all the negative comments to "Purple & Gold" & "Cause & Effect" Prince can't be that happy reading the Org.

Actually my guess is he's quite shocked by the reactions to his new song, he is of course used to critisism, but this has been a really "negative experience", my guess (again) is, he is not happy with us at all:

Of course Orgers only speak their opinions and most of us are disappointed....

"Cause & Effect" wasn't the excellent track we all hoped for, people are beginning to doubt: will he ever release another brilliant song or album again.

But lets forget the fan's negativity for a moment, and remember Prince as the true legend he is: who made us proud, writing, producing and playing some of the most brilliant music / albums on earth:

Prince's Warner Bros. catalogue 1978-1995 will always be considered a brilliant work of art !

My question to you (Orgers).....:


In case Prince is a bit shocked and unhappy with the reactions to his new song, how can we make him happy again... ?








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well he don't even try 2 make his fans happy with this song so why should we try 2 make him happy? Whats up with this live audience noice in the background? I just downloaded alot of live songs by prince from 04 and 4ward and they sounds great compared 2 this
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Reply #88 posted 02/26/10 10:41pm

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ernestsewell said:

NuPwrSoul said:

His art no longer asks questions, but aspires to provide answers. It's not inviting. When he declares, "I am here" and then asks "Where are you?" one gets the sense that he's not really interested in where "you" are, as much as he is preoccupied in telling us where "I am." This artist believes his "here" is where everyone should be.

It's an old and tried true story, but one gets the sense that in his work it is forced or contrived--it's not organic. His metaphors and language is too easily and directly drawn from religious scripture. Maybe Prince feels if you're going to, what better to signify on than what's believed to be Divine words? What it means is that we're not going to get yellow daisies in the yard, bubble baths with pants on, animals striking curious poses or any of that weird-only-Prince-could-come-up-with-this-shit type of language.


Now THAT is well said!


Co- to the co- to the co-sign.
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Reply #89 posted 02/26/10 10:43pm

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Not good .

Not bad.

Not worth another listen,however if a new artist put this shit out some here on this board would be eating this shit up like it was free Whoppers.

Good to see the legendary NuPwrSoul back on the scene!!!!
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