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New topic PrintableNeoGeo24bit said: alexnvrmind said: Sadly some of us want that which attracted us to his music in the first place, a sound that was like nothing else on the radio back in the day. Some days I swear I'd would be happy if he would just strip all the vocals from the '80's era music, re-edit / mix them up a bit and then release them as instrumental works. Which admittedly is kind of what he did with MPLSound, but a couple of those songs could have benefited from a lack of lyrics too. And I know he is more spiritual now and sometimes that works(The Love We Make, The Holy River, are perfect examples of this) but more often than not to me at least it does nothing for me. And assuming the reversed vocal is something about 'contracts' like someone else here is guessing then my response to that is, when is he going to let it go? Yes WB is evil as well as most music companies but until recently it was near impossible for any musician talented or not to make it without a company backing them. I mean really imagine if Prince had not been signed to WB or any other company for that matter. Would we even know who he is now? Oh well now I am going off on a tangent! Sorry! Long story short we want 'Great music' (the kind that makes other musician stand up and take notice) and hopefully with 'meaningful lyrics' to boot! Thanks! Peace! I just want one good song that has some structure, a chorus, a hook, and adult lyrics. This is all gimmicks... a 50+ year old musician shouldn't be relying on gimmicks. Just write and record some real music. Who's Prince's current engineer anyway? Yes Yes and YES... He should take notice of Bruce Springsteen or Neil Young for that matter... ... giving that 'musicianship feel music' this sounds like a ... dare I say it? Latest R&B Crap engineered song we hear and see on tv every goddamn day! | |
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I was digging this tune until it got to the bridge and it sort of just lost all momentum. Prince knows about "the bridge" right? Shit, he even made a BOMB called Graffiti-something bridge right? Back in the days he thought he was gonna become a star aCtOooor.
In all honesty, sounds like Prince is stuck somewhere between Dirty Mind (which is cool) and his mid-90s music (which is very bad). Still no one has told him that using the vocal clustering of his own voice that low and close together sounds like dragging a shoe along a gravel pit. Pros: The lead up to the bridge, but still too poppy. Cons: The bridge is weak. Bad use of vocals in the bridge. Too poppy for someone who knows how to play gritty live. Suggestion: Prince, just get a fucking garage band and forget everything you know. | |
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Klyph said: KCOOLMUZIQ said: Most peeps on here need to grow up. Prince has changed into a deeper spiritual person. u need to accept that or just move on and keep your negative comments to yourself or just stop coming on this site period. Prince is not goin back in his music. He is grown and have accepted his new spiritual garden. Why don't U?
How's that Kool-Aid workin' for ya? LoL Seriously, the best you can come up with is "He is grown"? AND! So am I. I've GROWN just as much as Prince has. In the last 26 years I've watched Prince go through many, MANY different phases in his "growth", but growing does not excuse shitty music. If you honestly think that this song or the vast majority of his output in the last 10 years is up to par with the best songs that he has written in his entire career then you need an ear transplant, IMMEDIATELY! "OH, Prince is back! Prince is back!" Where the fuck is he? Oh, I know where he is. Tarnishing his legacy with this crap. That was definately a kool-aid post that you responded to. Apparently, they have the blocks back on the computers at work so I haven't heard the song yet to give my opinion of it. I might listen to it tomorrow at home if I happen to think about it but you are most definately right in your response to the "Prince has grown" remark. Yeah, he's grown and the fact that I might listen to the song tomorrow instead of rushing home from work this evening to hear it shows that I have grown also because there used to be a time that I would have. That "Prince has grown and why don't you" comment sounds full of kool-aid because everyone grows, not just Prince. Or maybe the poster thinks we should grow but only in Prince's direction that he grows. I guess it's fine for Prince to be an individual with a mind of his own but not anyone else. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Genesia said: Wall said: TGE is overrated in most fans' minds but the period of 93-95 was his last great era. He turned inward and was on the cusp of a musical rebirth but then he became a religious zealot, told himself he knew how everyone should live their lives, and as a result, he lost the inner conflict and dialogue that gave the world such great music for so many years. There was tension in the self and it was evident in the music and it made for sublime work when it was released.
And what made TGE seem as if a rebirth was possible was the fact that he wasn't repeating his 80's output. He was on the path to new horizons combining the best of the old with a zest for trailblazing a new era. The usual sycophantic fam can't get past "You people just want another Purple Rain!" don't understand that nobody is calling for Sign O The Times Pt 2, but rather something fresh and not a rehearsed piece of pop lite with guitar pyrotechnics and pompous production. Alas, such music, at least by Prince, will not be made. And while the song isn't like nails on a chalk board, can any serious music fan whose tastes go beyond Prince, The Time, Michael Jackson say with a straight face this is anything but embarrassing filler? The only possible solution to this travesty of a career would be for Prince to allow someone else to produce him, but I think we all know the chance of that happening is nil. While I disagree with much of this...I think you're onto something with the idea that Prince "lost his inner conflict and dialogue" following the tragic death of his son (which I believe to have directly precipitated his religious "conversion") and the subsequent break-up of his marriage. Whether he actually lost it or simply moved to a point where he wasn't going to share it anymore (for whatever reason), the result is the same. He could have moved the inner turmoil into another arena - the unfairness of life, the pain of loss, the inevitable decline we all face. But I think that, at some point, it all just got a little to painful and a little too real. And let's face it, Prince has never shown any interest in seeming human. It's much easier to float on the surface than swim underwater. perhaps prince has no interest in showing his personal life to people anymore. I can't say I would blame him, though I think it's damaging to an artist to not allow yourself to be vulnerable My Legacy
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so sad that he's gone out this way. this is what happens when you isolate yourself from other talented artists. | |
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After reading my own lists I think I figured something out. I tend to like either "slyly" cocky and confident Prince or vulnerable Prince. I tend not to like "bombastic and overly-arrogant" cocky and confident Prince or the Prince that seems like he's trying to hard to be cocky and confident. If that makes sense! lol
And I DEFINITELY cant STAND preachy Prince!!!! [Edited 2/26/10 14:19pm] | |
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NDRU said: Genesia said: While I disagree with much of this...I think you're onto something with the idea that Prince "lost his inner conflict and dialogue" following the tragic death of his son (which I believe to have directly precipitated his religious "conversion") and the subsequent break-up of his marriage. Whether he actually lost it or simply moved to a point where he wasn't going to share it anymore (for whatever reason), the result is the same. He could have moved the inner turmoil into another arena - the unfairness of life, the pain of loss, the inevitable decline we all face. But I think that, at some point, it all just got a little to painful and a little too real. And let's face it, Prince has never shown any interest in seeming human. It's much easier to float on the surface than swim underwater. perhaps prince has no interest in showing his personal life to people anymore. I can't say I would blame him, though I think it's damaging to an artist to not allow yourself to be vulnerable The fact that he doesn't show vulnerability doesn't mean he doesn't feel vulnerable. We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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I would LOVE to hear some interesting Prince-beats again, instead of this un-original 'bombastic' sound of "Cause And Effect"....
NEIL TENNANT from Pet Shop Boys said:
"Where Prince went wrong was when he stopped usind drum machines. Before that, he was amazing. I like the way he's not scared to approach a completely unusual subject, like this one or the brilliant imagery of 'When Doves Cry'. I like his obsession with psychadelia, but he's got a real pop sensibility at the same time'. http://prince.org/msg/5001/73493 This guy: he was totally RIGHT..... bring back some interesting BEATS, Prince are you listening.... I guess not..... --- [Edited 2/26/10 14:20pm] Prince 4Ever. | |
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Nice tune he needs to more out like this one | |
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Genesia said: NDRU said: perhaps prince has no interest in showing his personal life to people anymore. I can't say I would blame him, though I think it's damaging to an artist to not allow yourself to be vulnerable The fact that he doesn't show vulnerability doesn't mean he doesn't feel vulnerable. I think he means publicly and as a way of expressing your art. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Now that the humans have evolved, the alien "Prince" cannot keep up.
/**/ Prost! "Whatever skin we're in
we all need 2 b friends" | |
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Genesia said: NDRU said: perhaps prince has no interest in showing his personal life to people anymore. I can't say I would blame him, though I think it's damaging to an artist to not allow yourself to be vulnerable The fact that he doesn't show vulnerability doesn't mean he doesn't feel vulnerable. oh I agree, it more likely is a sign of vulnerability to not show it My Legacy
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nayroo2002 said: Now that the humans have evolved, the alien "Prince" cannot keep up.
/**/ Prost! Unfortunately the Alien got on the mothership a long time ago and we are left with a pod person. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: nayroo2002 said: Now that the humans have evolved, the alien "Prince" cannot keep up.
/**/ Prost! Unfortunately the Alien got on the mothership a long time ago and we are left with a pod person. | |
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What's so funny about all the haters is that they spend so much time writing about Prince and their dislike that it's all so clear and obvious how much Prince and his music moves them. People don't waste their time constantly over things they don't care about.Indifference to Prince would also not lead to such emotionally charged posts. "Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life - | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Genesia said: The fact that he doesn't show vulnerability doesn't mean he doesn't feel vulnerable. I think he means publicly and as a way of expressing your art. right, I didn't literally mean that he can't be vulnerable, but doesn't want to be vulnerable on record anymore like he did with Let's Have a Baby My Legacy
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Genesia said: Wall said: TGE is overrated in most fans' minds but the period of 93-95 was his last great era. He turned inward and was on the cusp of a musical rebirth but then he became a religious zealot, told himself he knew how everyone should live their lives, and as a result, he lost the inner conflict and dialogue that gave the world such great music for so many years. There was tension in the self and it was evident in the music and it made for sublime work when it was released.
And what made TGE seem as if a rebirth was possible was the fact that he wasn't repeating his 80's output. He was on the path to new horizons combining the best of the old with a zest for trailblazing a new era. The usual sycophantic fam can't get past "You people just want another Purple Rain!" don't understand that nobody is calling for Sign O The Times Pt 2, but rather something fresh and not a rehearsed piece of pop lite with guitar pyrotechnics and pompous production. Alas, such music, at least by Prince, will not be made. And while the song isn't like nails on a chalk board, can any serious music fan whose tastes go beyond Prince, The Time, Michael Jackson say with a straight face this is anything but embarrassing filler? The only possible solution to this travesty of a career would be for Prince to allow someone else to produce him, but I think we all know the chance of that happening is nil. While I disagree with much of this...I think you're onto something with the idea that Prince "lost his inner conflict and dialogue" following the tragic death of his son (which I believe to have directly precipitated his religious "conversion") and the subsequent break-up of his marriage. Whether he actually lost it or simply moved to a point where he wasn't going to share it anymore (for whatever reason), the result is the same. He could have moved the inner turmoil into another arena - the unfairness of life, the pain of loss, the inevitable decline we all face. But I think that, at some point, it all just got a little to painful and a little too real. And let's face it, Prince has never shown any interest in seeming human. It's much easier to float on the surface than swim underwater. I Enjoyed reading this Genesia !! around this time lot's of events happened thrusting him into everyday human pain not to mention his parents passing on as well.He's put out some good music but just scratching the surface lyrically perhaps to protect his personal space... who knows | |
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NDRU said: Genesia said: While I disagree with much of this...I think you're onto something with the idea that Prince "lost his inner conflict and dialogue" following the tragic death of his son (which I believe to have directly precipitated his religious "conversion") and the subsequent break-up of his marriage. Whether he actually lost it or simply moved to a point where he wasn't going to share it anymore (for whatever reason), the result is the same. He could have moved the inner turmoil into another arena - the unfairness of life, the pain of loss, the inevitable decline we all face. But I think that, at some point, it all just got a little to painful and a little too real. And let's face it, Prince has never shown any interest in seeming human. It's much easier to float on the surface than swim underwater. perhaps prince has no interest in showing his personal life to people anymore. I can't say I would blame him, though I think it's damaging to an artist to not allow yourself to be vulnerable The sad thing is art is personal, and when you start doing what you "think" you should be doing is when you have lost it. I truly feel like Prince "thinks" he should be religious, he "thinks" he should be the complete opposite of what he was in his "heyday" just so he can say "that was then, this is now". I wonder if that's how he truly feels though when he's alone, away from the world. Because if it is he will NEVER make a GREAT album again. | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Genesia said: The fact that he doesn't show vulnerability doesn't mean he doesn't feel vulnerable. I think he means publicly and as a way of expressing your art. When did Prince ever do that? Even during the period I think was his best (when Susannah was his muse), he was still quite guarded about his personal feelings and vulnerabilities. He may have poured a goodly amount of emotion into the work, but he did it in ways that were subtle and usually not autobiographical. We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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Now that I've read all the replies, and really had a chance to think about it... I really feel bad for Prince. It must be hard for him to be such a genius, yet so alone with no real friends or inspiration anymore. The biggest thing he has is his faith in God, who probably doesn't exist anyway. Jehovah's Witnesses, and all organized religion, is a pure scam.
You really nailed it on the head when you said this is what happens when you isolate yourself from other talented artists. More than wishing for a great Prince song, I wish for him to be truly happy in life, not this fake positivity that's been going on for how many years... but Prince probably realizes, even though he won't admit it, that it's not possible. | |
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utopia7 said: Genesia said: While I disagree with much of this...I think you're onto something with the idea that Prince "lost his inner conflict and dialogue" following the tragic death of his son (which I believe to have directly precipitated his religious "conversion") and the subsequent break-up of his marriage. Whether he actually lost it or simply moved to a point where he wasn't going to share it anymore (for whatever reason), the result is the same. He could have moved the inner turmoil into another arena - the unfairness of life, the pain of loss, the inevitable decline we all face. But I think that, at some point, it all just got a little to painful and a little too real. And let's face it, Prince has never shown any interest in seeming human. It's much easier to float on the surface than swim underwater. I Enjoyed reading this Genesia !! around this time lot's of events happened thrusting him into everyday human pain not to mention his parents passing on as well.He's put out some good music but just scratching the surface lyrically perhaps to protect his personal space... who knows Thanks - and I agree. Y'know...people talk about all the anger with the WB fight and how cool it was that he channeled his anger into the music. But nothing compares to the kind of things he went through from 1996 through around 2000. A lot of personal pain there. We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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NDRU said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I think he means publicly and as a way of expressing your art. right, I didn't literally mean that he can't be vulnerable, but doesn't want to be vulnerable on record anymore like he did with Let's Have a Baby And how did that work for him...? We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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Bohemian67 said: What's so funny about all the haters is that they spend so much time writing about Prince and their dislike that it's all so clear and obvious how much Prince and his music moves them. People don't waste their time constantly over things they don't care about.Indifference to Prince would also not lead to such emotionally charged posts.
But that's just it: It's fams like yourself that label them/us haters in the first place. I don't hate Prince, and I like a lot of his recent music. That doesn't mean we have to love everything he does, or keep it to ourselves when we think a song sucks. And honestly, those of who think that this song is even a tenth as good as his work in the 80s need to seek medical attention. | |
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Genesia said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I think he means publicly and as a way of expressing your art. When did Prince ever do that? Even during the period I think was his best (when Susannah was his muse), he was still quite guarded about his personal feelings and vulnerabilities. He may have poured a goodly amount of emotion into the work, but he did it in ways that were subtle and usually not autobiographical. of course but the music reflected the storms or parades that were happening in his psyche. Now all we get is a a facade. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Genesia said: NDRU said: right, I didn't literally mean that he can't be vulnerable, but doesn't want to be vulnerable on record anymore like he did with Let's Have a Baby And how did that work for him...? exactly. He tried to open up & let us into his personal life one time in his life, and everything went to shit My Legacy
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Klyph said: After reading my own lists I think I figured something out. I tend to like either "slyly" cocky and confident Prince or vulnerable Prince. I tend not to like "bombastic and overly-arrogant" cocky and confident Prince or the Prince that seems like he's trying to hard to be cocky and confident. If that makes sense! lol
And I DEFINITELY cant STAND preachy Prince!!!! [Edited 2/26/10 14:19pm] That makes perfect sense to me! Especially the part in bold! It's like he's "trying" really, really, really hard! Too hard for someone who has lived and breathed it! I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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NDRU said: Genesia said: And how did that work for him...? exactly. He tried to open up & let us into his personal life one time in his life, and everything went to shit Not because of his vulnerability. It went to hell for so many other reasons. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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I don't hate the song and it has some redemeeming aspects to it It just isn't the type of a thing I'd play to someone in order to try to convince him / her of Prince's talent. To be honest, I would be more embarrassed to have something like this pop out from my mp3 playlist if I had guests at my house.
There's a very small chance I'd listen to a track like this for the second time if it wouldn't be by Prince. | |
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TwiliteKid said: Bohemian67 said: What's so funny about all the haters is that they spend so much time writing about Prince and their dislike that it's all so clear and obvious how much Prince and his music moves them. People don't waste their time constantly over things they don't care about.Indifference to Prince would also not lead to such emotionally charged posts.
But that's just it: It's fams like yourself that label them/us haters in the first place. I don't hate Prince, and I like a lot of his recent music. That doesn't mean we have to love everything he does, or keep it to ourselves when we think a song sucks. And honestly, those of who think that this song is even a tenth as good as his work in the 80s need to seek medical attention. Exactly! I don't hate Prince. He has done nothing to make me hate him. I do however hate a good portion of his current output. I hate that he feels like he has to constantly push his religious agenda on his fans. You know what I love about The Cross so much? It's the inward feel of the outward message. It's the inclusiveness of it. I'm as die-hard an athiest as can be, but even I have gotten teary eyed from that song. [Edited 2/26/10 14:36pm] | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: NDRU said: exactly. He tried to open up & let us into his personal life one time in his life, and everything went to shit Not because of his vulnerability. It went to hell for so many other reasons. yes I know that, it didn't work the second time either. When does life not go to shit? I am just saying I think he has no interest in being vulnerable & open about his personal life on record at this moment, he's more interested in teaching us and acting like he's cool My Legacy
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