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Reply #90 posted 02/16/10 10:35pm

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ernestsewell said:

WaterInYourBath said:

One thing that always impresses me about Prince is his power over mainstream websites. If you see his material on YouTube, Myspace, or Facebook, yoink, it's gone. lol

The best thing is he can't stop us from trading, and having a copy of any of this stuff. He could entice us to pay for a better copy, but God forbid.


Exactly! The only downside is we can't enjoy his work openly!

Oh well, back to enjoying my stash, all by my damn self and wondering how someone can be so incredible musically and such an ass business wise, all at the same time! shrug
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Reply #91 posted 02/16/10 10:35pm

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ernestsewell said:

WaterInYourBath said:

One thing that always impresses me about Prince is his power over mainstream websites. If you see his material on YouTube, Myspace, or Facebook, yoink, it's gone. lol

The best thing is he can't stop us from trading, and having a copy of any of this stuff. He could entice us to pay for a better copy, but God forbid.

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Reply #92 posted 02/16/10 11:03pm

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has anyone watched the online videos to check the quality of the video? is the quality the same as the bootleg dvd, with drop outs in the same places etc, or is it better quality?

ie. if the drop outs aren't there, then it could be from a higher source, such as the original tape, but if the drop outs are in the same places, then it comes from the same source as the bootleg

again, if the first clip is better quality than the rest, perhaps one was an official leak, and the rest are copycat posts by a fan/fans using the bootleg dvd as a source

it wouldn't be the first time prince has posted live audio or video that's been circulating as a bootleg before (ie. strange relationship from 21/03/87 first avenue). if it was from prince himself, why not post something we haven't seen before, surely there are other rehearsal tapes or early gigs he could have teased with instead of something that most fans have had on vhs since the early 90s, and loads more fans on dvd (due to the rise in internet file sharing and ease of copying)
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Reply #93 posted 02/16/10 11:35pm

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unique said:

has anyone watched the online videos to check the quality of the video? is the quality the same as the bootleg dvd, with drop outs in the same places etc, or is it better quality?

ie. if the drop outs aren't there, then it could be from a higher source, such as the original tape, but if the drop outs are in the same places, then it comes from the same source as the bootleg

again, if the first clip is better quality than the rest, perhaps one was an official leak, and the rest are copycat posts by a fan/fans using the bootleg dvd as a source

it wouldn't be the first time prince has posted live audio or video that's been circulating as a bootleg before (ie. strange relationship from 21/03/87 first avenue). if it was from prince himself, why not post something we haven't seen before, surely there are other rehearsal tapes or early gigs he could have teased with instead of something that most fans have had on vhs since the early 90s, and loads more fans on dvd (due to the rise in internet file sharing and ease of copying)

This was a VHS originally, and any VHS copy out there that had the hiccup in it (which happened somewhere along the line) will obviously be a lower quality than one before that drop happened. The ones without the drop aren't from the original tape, but are obviously earlier on in the chain. There are still cleaner copies out there of course. It just takes digging around for them.

Prince did not put these out. A fan just got very rambunctious about it. They also had a ton of other Prince items on their page, which might end up going bye bye at some point.

"Something In The Water" is still up too.
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Reply #94 posted 02/16/10 11:45pm

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PS the sucky part of these videos, especially "When Doves Cry" is that the sound is off. When you see Wendy tapping her foot, she's hitting a drum machine pad. She's tapping on the 1 and 3, not the 2 and 4. Also, when Prince claps, it's on the 1 and 3, not the 2 and 4. Also obviously is their mouths and the sound are not synced. I think my VHS is synced though.
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Reply #95 posted 02/17/10 1:08am

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Superficial said:

Hmmmmm the other thread regarding this got shut down .....

That clip has been around for years and years now , cant see it being a deliberate leak




yeah I know I started that thread and ironically I guess the way they worded this thread it is allowed to still be shown
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Reply #96 posted 02/17/10 1:10am

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Mars23 said:

Yea, he may have taken those vids down, but the cat is out of the bag on a much larger scale now.

They are already reposted by other users and with the numbers that grabbed them today, they could be reposted over and over.

Taking them down from one source just adds intrigue to the story and makes the vids more sought after. Remember, the story started with "see these while you can".

I guess you can't blame anyone for hoping the stick was at least partially out of his ass.




I guess if I just hadn't said the name youube on my thread it may not have gotten shut down boxed
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Reply #97 posted 02/17/10 2:28am

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WaterInYourBath said:

One thing that always impresses me about Prince is his power over mainstream websites. If you see his material on YouTube, Myspace, or Facebook, yoink, it's gone. lol

How is that impressive? These sites are built on user-submitted content. If the content violates the websites terms and conditions, it's relatively simple to get said content removed. He has no power over these sites.
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Reply #98 posted 02/17/10 4:53am

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I don't think I stated that that Prince put it up. The mere fact that some have been up for months means that someone could have allowed them to stay up for so long for reasons unknown. Add to that the fact that in the past his team of ever-vigilant people have had vids taken down immediately, and this round of vids has been allowed to go viral to some extent.

I think your assertion is more of an assumption in that you claim that "there's no way" Prince put this out there. There's no way you or I could know what he did or did not do, whereas my assertion is simply based on previous behavior with regard to videos circulating on youtube, only to be take down for copyright infringement.

He didn't put this video out, in any way shape or form.


I see you still have those powers of clairvoyance.
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Reply #99 posted 02/17/10 6:06am

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Ok so sorry for asking, I'm missing the "news" here...

Isn't this an old previously available DVD boot? Why are people making a fuzz about it now?


Thats what I thought guess not many seen it
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Reply #100 posted 02/17/10 6:17am

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skywalker said:

I have this fantasy that having this stuff on the news will legitimize the demand for it in Prince's eyes.

You mean he only NOW wakes up to the idea that he could make an easy buck off of this? (businessman? advisers? calendar? yawn...)
Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #101 posted 02/17/10 6:28am

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udo said:

skywalker said:

I have this fantasy that having this stuff on the news will legitimize the demand for it in Prince's eyes.

You mean he only NOW wakes up to the idea that he could make an easy buck off of this? (businessman? advisers? calendar? yawn...)


Apparently, he's still sleeping. disbelief
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Reply #102 posted 02/17/10 7:57am

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BlackandRising said:

ernestsewell said:


He didn't put this video out, in any way shape or form.


I see you still have those powers of clairvoyance.

Logic and reason vs fantasy and wishful thinking. I'm with the former.
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Reply #103 posted 02/17/10 1:06pm

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ernestsewell said:

BlackandRising said:



I see you still have those powers of clairvoyance.

Logic and reason vs fantasy and wishful thinking. I'm with the former.

Actually coming to a definitive conclusion based on what you think you know is what you did, i.e., you thinking you know what Prince did or did not do.

Given our history on AMP and the fact that I've not addressed you the way you still feel the need to be, why do you still insist on addressing posts in the same drama-filled fashion? I've kind of grown up so at this point it's intellectual curiosity on my part.
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Reply #104 posted 02/17/10 1:16pm

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BlackandRising said:

ernestsewell said:


Logic and reason vs fantasy and wishful thinking. I'm with the former.

Actually coming to a definitive conclusion based on what you think you know is what you did, i.e., you thinking you know what Prince did or did not do.

Given our history on AMP and the fact that I've not addressed you the way you still feel the need to be, why do you still insist on addressing posts in the same drama-filled fashion? I've kind of grown up so at this point it's intellectual curiosity on my part.

Prince did not allow, or give permission in any form or fashion for, these videos to be put on youTube. That's why they're coming down.
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Reply #105 posted 02/17/10 1:25pm

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Isn't it obvious?

He's trying to make people forget "Purple and Gold".
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Reply #106 posted 02/17/10 1:49pm

drgnfly

That will never happen
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Reply #107 posted 02/17/10 1:52pm

trickster

videos on youtube are gone.... npg records asked for removing...
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Reply #108 posted 02/17/10 1:54pm

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Isn't it obvious?

He's trying to make people forget "Purple and Gold".


Well, he shouldn't worry about that because I doubt seriously if that will ruin his 30-year plus music career. By the way I still enjoyed watching the "When Doves Cry" rehearsal. I was having a rare, blue Tuesday yesterday, because of the ugly, rain/snow we had in NYC on Tuesday. So when I signed on here, and saw the thread. I then checked out the video, as I thought it was okay to do since it supposedly came from a news station online source, and when I watched him performing in the "When Doves Cry" vid, in the middle of that performance, all of a sudden, it looked like Prince just finished giving a good sermon at a church and suddenly caught the spirit, and was dancing like he was doing the "Preacher man walk and stomp" dance across the room, with a touch of James Brown. falloff Loved it!

I had such a good laugh, and I mean that in good way. It was fun watching Prince feeling the music as he rehearsed. Whether that vid was an intentional leak, all I have to say is thanks, and I wish he would sell rare vids like that on his official site for LF members.
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Reply #109 posted 02/17/10 2:09pm

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another interesting thing is the choreography is basically sketched out already
(cept for the "preacher" steps). And the whole Hold the hand up so the band stops on the One thing.
I found the videos interesting
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Reply #110 posted 02/17/10 2:37pm

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This video has been passed around even on VHS back in the day!
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Reply #111 posted 02/17/10 4:20pm

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Only got to see the "When Dove's Cry" video.

Words fail me. Love it x infinity!

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Reply #112 posted 02/17/10 5:05pm

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Nothinbutjoy said:

Only got to see the "When Dove's Cry" video.

Words fail me. Love it x infinity!

mushy

all of the rehearsal vids that were there yesterday are still there.
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Reply #113 posted 02/17/10 5:15pm

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BlackandRising said:

Nothinbutjoy said:

Only got to see the "When Dove's Cry" video.

Words fail me. Love it x infinity!

mushy

all of the rehearsal vids that were there yesterday are still there.


Just the video players are there. When you click play you get a message that the "video is no longer available due to a copyright claim from NPG Records".
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Reply #114 posted 02/17/10 5:17pm

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BlackandRising said:

Nothinbutjoy said:

Only got to see the "When Dove's Cry" video.

Words fail me. Love it x infinity!

mushy

all of the rehearsal vids that were there yesterday are still there.


Not on the original posted site: [Direct link yanked - Mars23]
Only When Doves Cry remains. I guess I can post this grey area video? If not, mods can yank it.
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Reply #115 posted 02/17/10 6:39pm

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squirrelgrease said:

BlackandRising said:


all of the rehearsal vids that were there yesterday are still there.


Not on the original posted site: [Direct link yanked - Mars23]

Only When Doves Cry remains. I guess I can post this grey area video? If not, mods can yank it.


I was referring to youtube...I don't think I've ever seen so many at the same time for so long. I figure if they were gonna go quickly, youtube would be the first place to remove them, but they haven't.
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Reply #116 posted 02/17/10 7:38pm

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BlackandRising said:

squirrelgrease said:



Not on the original posted site: [Direct link yanked - Mars23]

Only When Doves Cry remains. I guess I can post this grey area video? If not, mods can yank it.


I was referring to youtube...I don't think I've ever seen so many at the same time for so long. I figure if they were gonna go quickly, youtube would be the first place to remove them, but they haven't.


Something in the water does not compute
nuts omg omfg shocked


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Reply #117 posted 02/17/10 8:43pm

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NouveauDance said:

WaterInYourBath said:

One thing that always impresses me about Prince is his power over mainstream websites. If you see his material on YouTube, Myspace, or Facebook, yoink, it's gone. lol

How is that impressive? These sites are built on user-submitted content. If the content violates the websites terms and conditions, it's relatively simple to get said content removed. He has no power over these sites.

Ok. So it's WB's fault? I have a hard time believing that. Why would they care about old rehearsal footage? Prince took it down, once he read about it in this thread. lol
"You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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Reply #118 posted 02/18/10 3:55am

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WaterInYourBath said:

Why would they care about old rehearsal footage? Prince took it down, once he read about it in this thread. lol

WB can see monetisable asset.
Prince cannot.
Prince only sees his `rights`, not a way to make easy money.

Did anyone see the NPGrecords (C) claims to teh old vids?
Where was NPGrecords during the Revolution days?
Who made the vids back then? For whom?
How did the rights transfer to NPGrecords?
Hmm?
Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #119 posted 02/18/10 5:19am

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udo said:

WaterInYourBath said:

Why would they care about old rehearsal footage? Prince took it down, once he read about it in this thread. lol

WB can see monetisable asset.
Prince cannot.
Prince only sees his `rights`, not a way to make easy money.

Did anyone see the NPGrecords (C) claims to teh old vids?
Where was NPGrecords during the Revolution days?
Who made the vids back then? For whom?
How did the rights transfer to NPGrecords?

Hmm?

I understand your perspective, but NPGRecords = PRINCE, not WB. lol
"You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
"Water can nourish me, but water can also carry me. Water has magic laws." - JCVD
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