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Thread started 11/30/09 4:20pm

TrevorAyer

chem trails

so prince gets chem trails any other believers out there?
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Reply #1 posted 11/30/09 4:32pm

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Reply #2 posted 11/30/09 4:32pm

peter430044

I love his music but he made a fool of himself when he started rambling on about this wild conspiracy theory.
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Reply #3 posted 11/30/09 4:36pm

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YES
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disbelief
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Reply #5 posted 11/30/09 5:28pm

sweething

This was discussed a while ago and someone posted a legitimate news video verifying this activity as fact.
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Reply #6 posted 11/30/09 5:34pm

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sweething said:

This was discussed a while ago and someone posted a legitimate news video verifying this activity as fact.


"legitimate news video"?
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Reply #7 posted 11/30/09 6:46pm

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Reply #8 posted 11/30/09 9:32pm

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there is some truth to it but let's be real....if chem trails exist then they are affecting everyone not just black folk.
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Reply #11 posted 12/01/09 3:08am

purpledoveuk

The guy considers fish to be family....if Chemi trails are teal and alter the mindset of black folks then I think Prince was sucking on the tailpipe of the mothership... The guys a nutter.

Listen to it...the US governemnt testing mind altering gas on it's own people...but this gas affects only black people.

It's racist fantasy to Spike Lee levels
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Reply #12 posted 12/01/09 7:09am

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purpledoveuk said:

The guy considers fish to be family....if Chemi trails are teal and alter the mindset of black folks then I think Prince was sucking on the tailpipe of the mothership... The guys a nutter.

Listen to it...the US governemnt testing mind altering gas on it's own people...but this gas affects only black people.

It's racist fantasy to Spike Lee levels


Who said anything about it just affecting a certain race?!
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Reply #13 posted 12/01/09 7:21am

2elijah

If chemicals are sprayed in the air then it affects everyone, since the wind will blow it. But on the other hand, it goes beyond that. For example, there certain products that are sold in specific neighborhoods, that you won't find in others. There are other bad elements that could be found more in specific communities than others, i.e, liquor stores, garbage disposal plants, just to name a few, that you will find in lower, economic communities,
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Reply #14 posted 12/01/09 7:23am

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People really do over-react to this lyric and wildly misinterpret - I mean, I'm now seeing that Prince is stating, as absolute fact, that the government are spraying mind-altering gases that only affect black people over cities!! What?! Where are you getting this from?

Here's the lyric;

While the helicopter circles us, this theory's getting deep
Think they're spraying chemicals over the city
While we sleep

First off - this is not being presented as fact, its asking a question. It mentions clearly the word "theory" (which, is not necessarily fact) and then asks the question "Think they're spraying chemicals over the city while we sleep?". The point being, if this is US history, about how it treated a certain section of its own citizens until quite recently (with remnants of that behaviour still remaining - in essence, the entire point of the song), then is it really so ludicrous, this theory of chemtrails, that the government would spray its own people? (and anyone who knows their history would know certain leaders and dictators have not been averse to killing their own people).

This also erases this ridiculous assumption that Prince is also saying that this is an attack on black people only! He doesn't say anything like that and seeing as he is using this "conspiracy theory" as a metaphorical vehicle to make a wider point about how the US government has been known to treat its own people, it makes that point entirely moot.

No wonder he says "this theory gets deep" - seems appreciation of artistic works is a little too deep for some! Do people really need it spoon-feeding to the extent that, unless it is literal, they're just not going to think about it? SOTT?!



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Reply #15 posted 12/01/09 7:34am

purpledoveuk

Mindflux said:

People really do over-react to this lyric and wildly misinterpret - I mean, I'm now seeing that Prince is stating, as absolute fact, that the government are spraying mind-altering gases that only affect black people over cities!! What?! Where are you getting this from?

Here's the lyric;

While the helicopter circles us, this theory's getting deep
Think they're spraying chemicals over the city
While we sleep

First off - this is not being presented as fact, its asking a question. It mentions clearly the word "theory" (which, is not necessarily fact) and then asks the question "Think they're spraying chemicals over the city while we sleep?". The point being, if this is US history, about how it treated a certain section of its own citizens until quite recently (with remnants of that behaviour still remaining - in essence, the entire point of the song), then is it really so ludicrous, this theory of chemtrails, that the government would spray its own people? (and anyone who knows their history would know certain leaders and dictators have not been averse to killing their own people).

This also erases this ridiculous assumption that Prince is also saying that this is an attack on black people only! He doesn't say anything like that and seeing as he is using this "conspiracy theory" as a metaphorical vehicle to make a wider point about how the US government has been known to treat its own people, it makes that point entirely moot.

No wonder he says "this theory gets deep" - seems appreciation of artistic works is a little too deep for some! Do people really need it spoon-feeding to the extent that, unless it is literal, they're just not going to think about it? SOTT?!



sad



Oh I haven't even heard that lyric - I was just going on his Tavis interview where he claimed, back in the day, jets used to fly over with these trails and all of a sudden black folks were fighting in the streets.

I'm pretty sure that's what he said anyway
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purpledoveuk said:

Mindflux said:

People really do over-react to this lyric and wildly misinterpret - I mean, I'm now seeing that Prince is stating, as absolute fact, that the government are spraying mind-altering gases that only affect black people over cities!! What?! Where are you getting this from?

Here's the lyric;

While the helicopter circles us, this theory's getting deep
Think they're spraying chemicals over the city
While we sleep

First off - this is not being presented as fact, its asking a question. It mentions clearly the word "theory" (which, is not necessarily fact) and then asks the question "Think they're spraying chemicals over the city while we sleep?". The point being, if this is US history, about how it treated a certain section of its own citizens until quite recently (with remnants of that behaviour still remaining - in essence, the entire point of the song), then is it really so ludicrous, this theory of chemtrails, that the government would spray its own people? (and anyone who knows their history would know certain leaders and dictators have not been averse to killing their own people).

This also erases this ridiculous assumption that Prince is also saying that this is an attack on black people only! He doesn't say anything like that and seeing as he is using this "conspiracy theory" as a metaphorical vehicle to make a wider point about how the US government has been known to treat its own people, it makes that point entirely moot.

No wonder he says "this theory gets deep" - seems appreciation of artistic works is a little too deep for some! Do people really need it spoon-feeding to the extent that, unless it is literal, they're just not going to think about it? SOTT?!



sad



Oh I haven't even heard that lyric - I was just going on his Tavis interview where he claimed, back in the day, jets used to fly over with these trails and all of a sudden black folks were fighting in the streets.

I'm pretty sure that's what he said anyway
[Edited 12/1/09 7:37am]


Ah, well, likewise, I haven't seen that interview wink Anyhoo, in Dreamer he is certainly not as specific as what you've paraphrased there - might have to check out this interview then wink
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Reply #17 posted 12/01/09 7:44am

2elijah

Mindflux said:

People really do over-react to this lyric and wildly misinterpret - I mean, I'm now seeing that Prince is stating, as absolute fact, that the government are spraying mind-altering gases that only affect black people over cities!! What?! Where are you getting this from?

Here's the lyric;

While the helicopter circles us, this theory's getting deep
Think they're spraying chemicals over the city
While we sleep

First off - this is not being presented as fact, its asking a question. It mentions clearly the word "theory" (which, is not necessarily fact) and then asks the question "Think they're spraying chemicals over the city while we sleep?". The point being, if this is US history, about how it treated a certain section of its own citizens until quite recently (with remnants of that behaviour still remaining - in essence, the entire point of the song), then is it really so ludicrous, this theory of chemtrails, that the government would spray its own people? (and anyone who knows their history would know certain leaders and dictators have not been averse to killing their own people).

This also erases this ridiculous assumption that Prince is also saying that this is an attack on black people only! He doesn't say anything like that and seeing as he is using this "conspiracy theory" as a metaphorical vehicle to make a wider point about how the US government has been known to treat its own people, it makes that point entirely moot.

No wonder he says "this theory gets deep" - seems appreciation of artistic works is a little too deep for some! Do people really need it spoon-feeding to the extent that, unless it is literal, they're just not going to think about it? SOTT?!



sad


Good point Mindflux. He is actually asking if it is in fact possible, that chemicals are being sprayed over communities. Nowhere did it state in that song that chemtrails were specifically being sprayed in black communities. The lyric in that line, was stated in the form of a question, i.e., "Think (being the key word here) they're (referring to our government) spraying chemicals...."
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Mindflux said:

purpledoveuk said:

The guy considers fish to be family....if Chemi trails are teal and alter the mindset of black folks then I think Prince was sucking on the tailpipe of the mothership... The guys a nutter.

Listen to it...the US governemnt testing mind altering gas on it's own people...but this gas affects only black people.

It's racist fantasy to Spike Lee levels


Who said anything about it just affecting a certain race?!
eek



P was in agreement with Dick who said chemtrails affect black people and are done on purpose. Dick has talked about this before. I believe he thinks that there wouldn't be any violence among black folk if it weren't for the government purposely putting drugs in the neighborhoods, leaving chemtrails and dropping weaponry on the streets for youth to get their hands on. I think both these brothas fail to realize that violence is part of the human conditon and has been for thousands of years. There isn't a spot on earth or a group of people that are violence free or illness free. Besides, what kind of weak minded ninny are you that you would let the government influence you to poison your body and kill your neighbor?
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Reply #19 posted 12/01/09 8:08am

2elijah

Okay, so I was googling chemtrails and look at this article I came across, and the author mentions "Prince" and "Dick Gregory" on this topic;it's apparent the author saw the Tavis interview:

http://www.examiner.com/x...-community

Has chemical warfare been launched in the Black community?
October 6, 8:07 PMAtlanta City Buzz ExaminerRichard

I know it’s hard for people to believe my title, but when you come from a race that was a part of the Tuskegee Experiment, you can’t put anything off as just hearsay. I have been following the violence in the Black community for over 20 years. As a youth growing up in Chicago, I could never figure out what happened to me and my friends I grew up with that made us one day decide to start shooting at each other. I watched boys grow up into men and form armies that killed people that they once went with to kindergarten.

I have heard people from Prince, the singer to Dick Gregory, the activist talk about Chemtrails, Manganese and the effects of lead on the human mind. I once heard Dick Gregory say that “In London, the reason the cops don’t carry guns is because it’s a known fact that lead being too close to the body on a regular basis could drive a human crazy.” He then talked about how the majority of police officers die from self-inflected wounds rather than being killed in the line duty. He attributed this to them carrying guns on their side for long periods of time. I don’t know how true this is and I am not a scientist but this did make some sense to me because, other than drugs coming into our communities in the form of crack, I seen the hood go crazy. I can remember the guns coming to my community before crack. I can remember getting guns for thirty dollars when I was twelve. In the 70’s and 80’s my hood was “the neighborhood” and yes we had problems but nothing like the late 80’s and 90’s and the violence continues to this day.....
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Reply #20 posted 12/01/09 8:19am

2elijah

DesireeNevermind said:

Mindflux said:



Who said anything about it just affecting a certain race?!
eek



P was in agreement with Dick who said chemtrails affect black people and are done on purpose. Dick has talked about this before. I believe he thinks that there wouldn't be any violence among black folk if it weren't for the government purposely putting drugs in the neighborhoods, leaving chemtrails and dropping weaponry on the streets for youth to get their hands on. I think both these brothas fail to realize that violence is part of the human conditon and has been for thousands of years. There isn't a spot on earth or a group of people that are violence free or illness free. Besides, what kind of weak minded ninny are you that you would let the government influence you to poison your body and kill your neighbor?



Dick Gregory has spoken about Manganese and the effect it has on an individual when it becomes toxic in the body. However, I cannot say that this is the main factor that causes violent behavior within a community. I do believe Mr. Gregory mentioning that Manganese is in products like Malt Liquor, and it is no secret that malt liquor can be mind altering, when a certain consumption of it is in the body. Also if there is an area where many residents live near where Manganese is being mined, then it is posisible it would have an effect on a person's health and the environment. Manganese is found in the soil, and not impossible that it could get into fruits and vegetables.

MANGANESE


Manganese is essential to iron and steel production. At present steel making accounts 85% to 90% of the total demand, most of the total demand. Manganese is a key component of low-cost stainless steel formulations and certain widely used alumimum alloys. Manganese dioxide is also used as a catalyst. ....."

Manganese in the environment
Manganese is one of the most abundant metals in soils, where it occurs as oxides and hydroxides, and it cycles through its various oxidation states. Manganese occurs principally as pyrolusite (MnO2), and to a lesser extent as rhodochrosite (MnCO3). More than 25 million tonnes are mined every year, representing 5 million tons of the metal, and reserves are estimated to exeed 3 billion tonnes of the metal. The main mining areas for manganese ores are South Africa, Russia, Ukraine, Georgia, Gabon and Australia.
Manganese is an essential element for all species. Some organisms, such as diatoms, molluscs and sponges, accumulate manganese. Fish can have up to 5 ppm and mammals up to 3 ppm in their tissue, although normally they have around 1 ppm.

Health effects of manganese

Manganese is a very common compound that can be found everywhere on earth. Manganese is one out of three toxic essential trace elements, which means that it is not only necessary for humans to survive, but it is also toxic when too high concentrations are present in a human body. When people do not live up to the recommended daily allowances their health will decrease. But when the uptake is too high health problems will also occur.

The uptake of manganese by humans mainly takes place through food, such as spinach, tea and herbs. The foodstuffs that contain the highest concentrations are grains and rice, soya beans, eggs, nuts, olive oil, green beans and oysters. After absorption in the human body manganese will be transported through the blood to the liver, the kidneys, the pancreas and the endocrine glands.

Manganese effects occur mainly in the respiratory tract and in the brains. Symptoms of manganese poisoning are hallucinations, forgetfulness and nerve damage. Manganese can also cause Parkinson, lung embolism and bronchitis. When men are exposed to manganese for a longer period of time they may become impotent.

A syndrome that is caused by manganese has symptoms such as schizophrenia, dullness, weak muscles, headaches and insomnia
.Because manganese is an essential element for human health shortages of manganese can also cause health effects. These are the following effects:

- Fatness
- Glucose intolerance
- Blood clotting
- Skin problems
- Lowered cholesterol levels
- Skeleton disorders
- Birth defects
- Changes of hair colour
- Neurological symptoms

Read more: http://www.lenntech.com/p...z0YSD59VNN

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Mindflux

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DesireeNevermind said:

Mindflux said:



Who said anything about it just affecting a certain race?!
eek



P was in agreement with Dick who said chemtrails affect black people and are done on purpose. Dick has talked about this before. I believe he thinks that there wouldn't be any violence among black folk if it weren't for the government purposely putting drugs in the neighborhoods, leaving chemtrails and dropping weaponry on the streets for youth to get their hands on. I think both these brothas fail to realize that violence is part of the human conditon and has been for thousands of years. There isn't a spot on earth or a group of people that are violence free or illness free. Besides, what kind of weak minded ninny are you that you would let the government influence you to poison your body and kill your neighbor?


Thanks Desiree - I'm largely unfamiliar with Dick Gregory (know who he is, but not much of what he has said) and I've yet to see the Tavis interview. I was responding because I assumed (rightly or wrongly) that the chemtrail thread was started because of the Dreamer lyrics.

You have good points, but you also have to realise the governments, political bodies, armies, tribes, you name it, throughout history have used various tactics to stir up trouble, tensions and violence amongst folk - yes, its part of the human condition, but there are those that will manipulate and coerce at the same time wink

Weak-minded ninny (hehehe - like that!)....quite!
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2elijah said:

Mindflux said:

People really do over-react to this lyric and wildly misinterpret - I mean, I'm now seeing that Prince is stating, as absolute fact, that the government are spraying mind-altering gases that only affect black people over cities!! What?! Where are you getting this from?

Here's the lyric;

While the helicopter circles us, this theory's getting deep
Think they're spraying chemicals over the city
While we sleep

First off - this is not being presented as fact, its asking a question. It mentions clearly the word "theory" (which, is not necessarily fact) and then asks the question "Think they're spraying chemicals over the city while we sleep?". The point being, if this is US history, about how it treated a certain section of its own citizens until quite recently (with remnants of that behaviour still remaining - in essence, the entire point of the song), then is it really so ludicrous, this theory of chemtrails, that the government would spray its own people? (and anyone who knows their history would know certain leaders and dictators have not been averse to killing their own people).

This also erases this ridiculous assumption that Prince is also saying that this is an attack on black people only! He doesn't say anything like that and seeing as he is using this "conspiracy theory" as a metaphorical vehicle to make a wider point about how the US government has been known to treat its own people, it makes that point entirely moot.

No wonder he says "this theory gets deep" - seems appreciation of artistic works is a little too deep for some! Do people really need it spoon-feeding to the extent that, unless it is literal, they're just not going to think about it? SOTT?!



sad


Good point Mindflux. He is actually asking if it is in fact possible, that chemicals are being sprayed over communities. Nowhere did it state in that song that chemtrails were specifically being sprayed in black communities. The lyric in that line, was stated in the form of a question, i.e., "Think (being the key word here) they're (referring to our government) spraying chemicals...."
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Reply #23 posted 12/01/09 8:46am

2elijah

Mindflux said:

DesireeNevermind said:




P was in agreement with Dick who said chemtrails affect black people and are done on purpose. Dick has talked about this before. I believe he thinks that there wouldn't be any violence among black folk if it weren't for the government purposely putting drugs in the neighborhoods, leaving chemtrails and dropping weaponry on the streets for youth to get their hands on. I think both these brothas fail to realize that violence is part of the human conditon and has been for thousands of years. There isn't a spot on earth or a group of people that are violence free or illness free. Besides, what kind of weak minded ninny are you that you would let the government influence you to poison your body and kill your neighbor?


Thanks Desiree - I'm largely unfamiliar with Dick Gregory (know who he is, but not much of what he has said) and I've yet to see the Tavis interview. I was responding because I assumed (rightly or wrongly) that the chemtrail thread was started because of the Dreamer lyrics.

You have good points, but you also have to realise the governments, political tribes, armies, tribes, you name it throughout history have used various tactics to stir up trouble, tensions and violence amongst folk - yes, its part of the human condition, but there are those that will manipulate and coerce at the same time wink

Weak-minded ninny (hehehe - like that!)....quite!


True, which is very much a part of the game of "Divide and Conquer= Destruction and Confusion". This is how one manages to take over and control a people.
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^ given the above info about manganese and possible over exposure/side effects/poisoning....white people would be more at risk due to dietary factors and mining areas alone.
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Reply #25 posted 12/01/09 8:51am

2elijah

DesireeNevermind said:

^ given the above info about manganese and possible over exposure/side effects/poisoning....white people would be more at risk due to dietary factors and mining areas alone.


That's probably due to the main areas of mining, as mentioned in the article.I think it would affect everyone, due to possible traces of it in our food and other non-vegetable/fruit products transported to the U.S. I don't see the danger limited to any specific group quite frankly, but I do get your point.
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The only chem trails Prince should be worried about are the ones left when his relaxer drips down his neck.
"Keep on shilling for Big Pharm!"
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Reply #27 posted 12/01/09 9:00am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

The only chem trails Prince should be worried about are the ones left when his relaxer drips down his neck.



ok you know that's foul....but it is funny. lol
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Reply #28 posted 12/01/09 9:06am

2elijah

A lot of the trails you see in the sky could be attributed to a process called the "Twomey Effect" used to cool the earth, where large ships with rotors spray salt water from the ocean into the air and the clouds, and they leave a trail. I saw a program on the "planet" cable channel sometime in the summer about this:






http://io9.com/5046852/a-...scientists

The Twomey Effect:

A Fleet of 1500 Cloud-Seeding Ships Could Stop Global Warming, Says Scientists
]"Using a fleet of 1500 wind-powered ships that cruise the oceans autonomously, spraying massive plumes of salt water into the air, we could reverse the effects of global warming within years
. So says John Latham, a researcher at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, U.S., who has worked with colleagues to develop a fairly extensive plan for reengineering the climate. How would salt water spray lower the temperature of the oceans enough to make a difference?

Latham explains that it's all about making clouds more reflective. When the salt spray gets taken up into the clouds, the salt crystals allow more drops of water to form. And a cloud with more water in it can reflect more sunlight. Ultimately,
Latham hopes, this means that less sunlight will reach Earth and allow the oceans to cool down. If his plan were put into practice right away, it's possible we could prevent the Arctic ice sheet from breaking up, and keep those giant ice shelves from crumbling in Antarctica. As the cooled ocean currents circulate throughout the world, global temperatures will lower too."
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DesireeNevermind said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

The only chem trails Prince should be worried about are the ones left when his relaxer drips down his neck.



ok you know that's foul....but it is funny. lol


but there is a hidden message in that! We often worry about things others do that could harm us, as we subject ourselves to far more toxins than are found in our environment. We worry about trace chemicals in the water as we drink a coke.
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