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PrintableLondonStyle said: TheVoid said: Sonic youth's latest effort is superb. And Springsteen's "Magic" was pure magic. Oh and The Pet Shop Boys albums are better this decade than in the 80's too. oh please .... stop being silly.... the Pet Shop Boys .... Neil's has lost his voice come on try harder.... 
The music press is not a stone you should lean on, as it moves around alot..nowdays... I'm wondering at which point subjective opinion plays a part in this conversation. I listen to their most recent efforts far more than their 80s efforts. Where Prince kind of got sporadic in quality, their albums have gotten better (to me), IMO<<----IMO... | |
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cborgman said: LondonStyle said: oh please .... stop being silly.... the Pet Shop Boys .... Neil's has lost his voice come on try harder....
The music press is not a stone you should lean on, as it moves around alot..nowdays... his voice might not be as good, but their music 90s and on is waaaay better than the 80s stuff. His voices wasn't that great to begin with 
But the tunes are just better now. | |
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cborgman said: Giovanni777 said: I'm going 2 say that I believe it would be a very bad idea 4 Prince 2 have an editor of any kind. If U think about it in depth, U can imagine which songs, in fact albums, which wouldn't have been released, had he relied on others opinions... The list would be quite long, and would include "When Doves Cry" (no bass line)... 'Around the World in a Day', 'Lovesexy', 'Rainbow Children'... Prince needs 2 be completely free in order 2 create what he wants 2. but... doves, around, & lovesexy were all released while he had people editing him.  No one "edited" any of the above. Those R all examples of Prince doing exactly what he wanted 2 do. Do U honestly think that WB had any say over the release of 'Around the World in a Day'? If they had control, they would never have supported the album, nor the sudden release without any promotion. "He's a musician's musician..." |
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cborgman said: oh, just thought of another
alanis morissette. in the 80s, bad bubblegum pop. 90s on... awesome. You know God loves people who try hard..... alanis morissette .....
We are talking about Prince here 70's, 80's, 90's, 00's..... 
and your are giving me half baked pop act's ....let's me focus you....this is the guy miles davies wanted to work with..... 
Bono's wrong and your wrong...nuff said.. Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
James Brown & Michael Jackson RIP, your music still lives with us! | |
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LondonStyle said: CynicKill said: I believe I was reading that Vibe article about albums that were never released and they were talking about "The Dream Factory" and members of The Revolution were talking about how that band was special because they brought a lot of musical influences to Prince that he wouldn't have listened to himself.
Prince was also open to the bands input as well. It might sound blasphemous to say but not only does Prince need an editor but he apparently needs exposure to what's out there from people he's playing with. Add chemistry and the joy of creating with other creative people and you have the recipe that makes 80's Prince so much more interesting then after. What utter rubbish have you seen his band members since the W&L days ...please do not tell me these guys do not know music.... The only blasphemous thing you said was prince needs exposure to what's out there.... All i hear is Lady GaGa and Justin Timberfake using his beats...
What are you taking about.... When I say what's out there I don't mean Ga Ga and Timberlake, but when you listen to songs like "Tamborine", "Life Can Be So Nice" and "Condition Of The Heart" you know it was influenced not only by his own ingenuity, but by different sounds. Let's face it Prince is kinda unfocused, and his penchant for falling back on slick technology is obvious. I wish I could find the entire quote but it made sense. What The Roots did for Al Gren they might be able to do for Prince as well. He seems mentally so far removed from what he's good at. Someone who admires him and has studied him extensively MIGHT do him some good. |
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On the surface Bono's comments make sense but it seems everyone knows what is right 4 Prince.....except Prince. Prince knows what he is doing, and he is "provin a point".
Some day those whom are paying attention, may actually get his point. | |
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I agree with the editor thing. Prince also needs someone to be honest with him. Friends don't let you put out trash. They would say 'hey MPLS sounds a bit dated let's tweek a few things to make this jump a bit' and Prince would say 'okay andre cymone thank you for coming back around' | |
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vivid said: I think Bono is right, but that's not to say that Prince has done it wrong. If Prince wasn't so independant, we wouldn't have had some of the best moments in popular music in the last 30 years.
If Prince had an 'editor' he would be a different kind of artist. I feel with Prince that although a lot of the criticism is often on point, I wouldn't have him any other way - it's a bit 'love me, love my dog' and I'm a cat man. great point.someone with that much talent u have to let him get it all out,he plays 2 many instruments 2 b told what 2 do.yes he needs someone to b man enough to tell him when something is not working,but 2 bring in a producer,then we would not have prince music,probably not some of the gems that a producer may have shot down[starfish and coffee.had u.]u know the odd ass songs he gives us.let him b . stickman | |
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joelmarable said: vivid said: I think Bono is right, but that's not to say that Prince has done it wrong. If Prince wasn't so independant, we wouldn't have had some of the best moments in popular music in the last 30 years.
If Prince had an 'editor' he would be a different kind of artist. I feel with Prince that although a lot of the criticism is often on point, I wouldn't have him any other way - it's a bit 'love me, love my dog' and I'm a cat man. great point.someone with that much talent u have to let him get it all out,he plays 2 many instruments 2 b told what 2 do.yes he needs someone to b man enough to tell him when something is not working,but 2 bring in a producer,then we would not have prince music,probably not some of the gems that a producer may have shot down[starfish and coffee.had u.]u know the odd ass songs he gives us.let him b . Seems that some people.....do GET the point. | |
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TheVoid said: LondonStyle said: oh please .... stop being silly.... the Pet Shop Boys .... Neil's has lost his voice come on try harder....
The music press is not a stone you should lean on, as it moves around alot..nowdays... I'm wondering at which point subjective opinion plays a part in this conversation. I listen to their most recent efforts far more than their 80s efforts. Where Prince kind of got sporadic in quality, their albums have gotten better (to me), IMO<<----IMO... i thought of a few more... kylie minogue boy george george michael Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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Giovanni777 said: cborgman said: but... doves, around, & lovesexy were all released while he had people editing him. No one "edited" any of the above. Those R all examples of Prince doing exactly what he wanted 2 do. Do U honestly think that WB had any say over the release of 'Around the World in a Day'? If they had control, they would never have supported the album, nor the sudden release without any promotion. they kept him from making a lot of choices he is making now that are the choices in question. he wanted a three disc crystal ball, which became 2 disc SOTT, he wanted a 2 disc PR, they allowed him single, same with 1999... if memory correctly serves. Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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LondonStyle said: cborgman said: oh, just thought of another
alanis morissette. in the 80s, bad bubblegum pop. 90s on... awesome. You know God loves people who try hard..... alanis morissette .....
We are talking about Prince here 70's, 80's, 90's, 00's.....
and your are giving me half baked pop act's ....let's me focus you....this is the guy miles davies wanted to work with.....
Bono's wrong and your wrong...nuff said.. even if bono and i were wrong (which is not likely the case), your comment about everyone was better in the 80s is, at best, absurd. [Edited 1/19/10 14:03pm] Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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DecaturStone said: I agree with the editor thing. Prince also needs someone to be honest with him. Friends don't let you put out trash. They would say 'hey MPLS sounds a bit dated let's tweek a few things to make this jump a bit' and Prince would say 'okay andre cymone thank you for coming back around'
it drives my friends nuts when i show them something i wrote and only want to hear criticism, and only minimally want compliments. i don't need or want yes men, i want good art. Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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Graycap23 said: joelmarable said: great point.someone with that much talent u have to let him get it all out,he plays 2 many instruments 2 b told what 2 do.yes he needs someone to b man enough to tell him when something is not working,but 2 bring in a producer,then we would not have prince music,probably not some of the gems that a producer may have shot down[starfish and coffee.had u.]u know the odd ass songs he gives us.let him b . Seems that some people.....do GET the point. That's perfect. Let Prince be Prince. Let the others be the rest. Prost!  "Whatever skin we're in
we all need 2 b friends" |
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