MOL said:

As a person? Or as a performer?

Oh Dan, how is it i knew you were the owner of this thread even b4 i saw the authors name

LondonStyle said:

Hey, you got me! I had no idea they were Irish!!

regardless of Bono, this is a great thread.

I definitely agree that Prince needs something, not so much an editor but more something like quality control.

Not a bunch of yes men, someone to say "hey you can't release that - it's total crap! "

I'll take the job if it's up for grabs

FunkyStrange said:

He had that they where called Warner Bros...any way they say TMBGITW would not sell ....got that one wrong....in fact they got all of prince's career wrong...

He don't need editors ... we the buying public edit Prince's work ...

Purplestar88 said:

a bad artist with an editor at best can be a par artist.

an artistic genius liek prince with someone to focus him, tell him when stuff is not his best, trim 3 mediocre cds to 1 with him... at worst, it's genius.

i love prince, but a lot of his stuff nowdays is filler. emancipation would have been a GENIUS single cd. MPLS and loutus would have been a killer single disc. if you combine the gems of 3121, earth, and musicology, there is actually a killer album there.

prolificness is a neat trick, but it tends to mean there's a lot of filler. it's true of any type of writer.

everyone around prince is a yes man. he seems to have eliminated everyone in his life that wasn't afraid to say no to him. warner bros, his management, wendy and lisa. now he just has a group of yes men who praise his every song as if it's the greatest thing ever.

MOL said:

no.

LondonStyle said:

i got bored reading your essay
lol
but i dont agree, idea seems childish
IT DOESNT TAKE a genius to know or form an opinion that prince is a musical genius
I respect his honesty and i agree with his above statement 100%
yes he brought in race but its dead true

cborgman said:

I agree, hence most things hes done post love symbol album, if not before.
Each album from there on has only had in my opinion about 2,3 MAX 4 songs that are good, the rest seem to be decent (if that) or album fillers.

And this isnt to bash prince at all people, Dude still has talent and is my favorite musician. Just wish he'd accept some criticism once again from people who love music and let it push him to higher heights in terms of music quality/structure/trying new things but still having the flavor we all know and love. The guy gave us Dirty Mind, 1999, Purple Rain, SOTT even the love symbol album. As much as i love lady gaga in terms of pushing buttons and being unapologetic, it comes from a minor few which includes Prince. Fashion + Art + Eccentricity and that voice. And because his talent has gotten better with time I think he can dominate the charts again , he deserves it.Being surronded by phonies who just smile and nod as he plays them his new stuff arent constructive.

LondonStyle said:

such a child like response
your only mentioning that because thats the first and one of the very few times prince and u2 have been mentioned for an occasion, your response is so tabloid gossip,
[Edited 1/17/10 17:22pm]

cborgman said:

So true.

jdcxc said:

i think he is overrated. but he's also right about prince.

prb said:

I'm not following you?

Erika2k8 said:

Why is it true? oh because he's a white rock star ? ...wake up and smell the coffee...

Erika2k8 said:

more tabloid gossip is written by the "white media" and so is the rock music press...

if you don't like the truth maybe you should grow up and stop acting like a child.... this is the real world...

and yes you do get awards based on your skin type not your work rate or talent.....

Ask Taylor Swift....

cborgman said:

I still stick with what I wrote. Sometimes people used the word "filler" for any song they don't like. A lot of people don't like the work he did with Wendy and Lisa. So for some people their input was not the greatest thing to happen to Prince's music. Warner bros is a record label, they care only about the record selling. If Prince was release many records that sold well, they would not care about the quality or quantity of his records. As for his management, he can say yay or nay to their ideas just like any other artist. I have seen many artists management hurt their carrer than help their career.

Prince had warner bros, Wendy & Lisa, management and some people still did't like his work.

I believe I was reading that Vibe article about albums that were never released and they were talking about "The Dream Factory" and members of The Revolution were talking about how that band was special because they brought a lot of musical influences to Prince that he wouldn't have listened to himself.
Prince was also open to the bands input as well.

It might sound blasphemous to say but not only does Prince need an editor but he apparently needs exposure to what's out there from people he's playing with. Add chemistry and the joy of creating with other creative people and you have the recipe that makes 80's Prince so much more interesting then after.

Purplestar88 said:

I'm going 2 say that I believe it would be a very bad idea 4 Prince 2 have an editor of any kind.

If U think about it in depth, U can imagine which songs, in fact albums, which wouldn't have been released, had he relied on others opinions...

The list would be quite long, and would include "When Doves Cry" (no bass line)... 'Around the World in a Day', 'Lovesexy', 'Rainbow Children'...

Prince needs 2 be completely free in order 2 create what he wants 2.

Purplestar88 said:

wwll, granted, but those weren't his fans.

and the quality of SOTT, parade, PR, lovesexy... is heads above anything he's done in the last decade.

Giovanni777 said:

but... doves, around, & lovesexy were all released while he had people editing him.

CynicKill said:

What utter rubbish have you seen his band members since the W&L days ...please do not tell me these guys do not know music....

The only blasphemous thing you said was prince needs exposure to what's out there....

All i hear is Lady GaGa and Justin Timberfake using his beats...

What are you taking about....

cborgman said:

Name one artist that's producing better work i.e. CD's now then their work in the 80's .....

i'll wait for the answer.....go name one....you can't because the creative process does not work that way...

Bono is wrong ... if he was so right why is U2 producing all this sub standard work ... he's miles off doing anything "classic"...

LondonStyle said:

madonna
cyndi lauper
david bowie
beastie boys
bjork
[Edited 1/19/10 8:15am]

cborgman said:

Sonic youth's latest effort is superb.

And Springsteen's "Magic" was pure magic.


Oh and The Pet Shop Boys albums are better this decade than in the 80's too.

cborgman said:

Nice try.....but you know your wrong on all counts....

Have another go ...

TheVoid said:

PSB i know well enough to agree with. their newer stuff is waaaay better than their 80s stuff

LondonStyle said:

actually, i'm right.
madonna's songs are faaaar better than her silly mindless 80s stuff
cyndi stopped being weird and became a fantastic artist after the 80s
beastie boys post 80s are far more intelligent and deep
bowie's 80s are the only decade of his i can't stand
and bjork in the 80s was trifle. 90s on? sheer genius

TheVoid said:

oh please .... stop being silly.... the Pet Shop Boys .... Neil's has lost his voice come on try harder....

The music press is not a stone you should lean on, as it moves around alot..nowdays...

oh, just thought of another

alanis morissette.

in the 80s, bad bubblegum pop.
90s on... awesome.

LondonStyle said:

his voice might not be as good, but their music 90s and on is waaaay better than the 80s stuff.