vainandy said:

So have I but my ex was/is the MJ fan. He has every VHS and DVD I ever bought of Michael.

2elijah said:

Did you think I was an only child?

5 kids with the same parents (4 boys, 1 girl) both remarried and my mother had one more boy, my father 3 more boys. 2nd oldest but my older brother is deceased.

They were doing it all over our local dance TV show "Black Gold" in the year 1980. They may have already been doing it for all I know, but that's the year I began watching the show. Like I said earlier, during that time, it was known as "The Glide". A friend of mine could do it real well and tried to teach it to me....unsuccessfully of course.

But since they've aired several old episodes of "Soul Train" in recent years, I've notice Jeffrey Daniel himself doing it on there and there was another episode where several of the other dancers were doing it also while Prince's "Sexy Dancer" was playing. Oh, and I almost forgot, damn near all the pop/lock dance groups were doing it during that time. Actually, the dance had damn near completely gone out of style when Michael Jackson picked it up.
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vainandy said:

Some of us even thought it had.
Like Madonna doing 'Vogue' so after the fact . . . .

vainandy said:

Really, I wasnt aware of that. Learn something new. Now that you mention it, we were doing the side ways moon walk in middle school, and that a couple of years before the Michael Jackson moonwalk phenom. I would say he did give it mass appeal.

Still, doesn't anyone agree that these moves found a lot of their roots in the acts of mime, whether it was Jeffrey D. who was influenced by the mime or others?

I think it is right there in front of our faces.

Watch Jeffrey Daniels dance, those are partial mime moves. And I am not trying to take any credit away from him, putting those moves to dance and making it look cool is a stroke of genius within itself.

SUPRMAN said:

I have 4 brothers (technically had 5 brothers, but one died during childbirth) and I have 4 sisters, add me, and that's 5 girls. That makes a total of 9 of us. All 8 siblings still alive, but better get back on topic before orger "Babynoz", the org's unofficial threadjacking tracker officer, shows up and reminds us to get back on topic.
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They did it from side to side, backwards like Michael did, and even forwards. The pop/lock groups used to do some amazing things with it and they also had it incorporated with robot and puppet moves. If I'm not mistaken, I think I even saw Fred Berry (Rerun) do it once. He had been in those groups before he was on "What's Happening" and even afterwards.



Maybe so. It does look a little similar. Almost everything comes from something that was previous. They could have seen mimes or they also could have seen some of the old entertainers way before my time.

prince did do a lot to destroy black music. why do you think he is trying to change now and make amends?

vainandy said:

Fred Berry could bust a move for sure.

jackson35 said:

I am still out on this one. I remember a lot of black groups in the eighties with the Price sound, remember acts like 'ready for the world.' This band would have never had its 15 minutes of fame without Prince to lay the carpet for them. What would Sheila E have been without Prince, or the Time for that matter. They all rode his coat tail.

Even to this day, Morris can not do an interview without getting a Prince question, you know that has to crawl right up his ass.

I still believe greed is the major criminal. Greed on the part of the record companies.

Did Prince have an influence on thier policies? Yes he did, but the effect of that influence was up to them.

And still, I have never Prince tour without a Band.

He may do all of that fancy studio layering, but he still jams on stage with his people, and from what I have read, he pays them all handsomely for their efforts, until he is ready to ditch them, and that is a topic of its own.

SUPRMAN said:

In that case, then I do apologize

One thing that Prince did that was both great and not so great for music is he proved you can have really big hit songs without a lot of instruments.

When Doves Cry is pretty much a drum machine and keyboards. With guitar solos in the beginning and middle.

It's genuis the way he made so little sound so huge.

The bad thing is now, nobody can play instruments anymore. They're just using those same tools that Prince did 25-30 years ago.

The thing is that Prince can also play every other instrument. Nobody does that anymore.

2elijah said:

Michael sought out Jeffery and Jeffery got Geron, Michael, and Cooley on board and they worked together for over 10 years

Jeffery and the guys taught Michael the moonwalk and other popping moves (Geron still has the check Michael gave him) (Michael also had some knowledge of the style because he learned the robot and locking from Robot Dane and The Lockers)

Jeffery also co-choreographed Bad and Smooth Criminal and was a consultant on the HIStory tour and the Ghosts film

Boogaloo Shrimp went on to work in the Breakin' movies and other platforms

Cooley is a exotic dancer now

and I think Geron is still in the dancing scene

hollywooddove said:

I agree.....

but Sheila already had an established career though

hollywooddove said:

the mime influence is strong in popping and boogaloo. I've been popping for about 10 years now and when I learned miming too around the same time, I saw similarities in certain movements

bboy87 said:

Yes, I remember the "Lockers", including the female dancer, I believe her first name is "Toni". I also remember "Shabadoo" doing lock and robotic moves as well, and Shabadoo also starred in the "Breakin'" movies.
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vainandy said:

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Co-Sign 100% Record labels just saw the cost cutting of having one guy do most of the work. If Prince was not around someone else would have come along and the end result would have been the same.

The real challege for black music is to put the funk back into and sat the music apart from pop.

bboy87 said:

Yes I READ THE POST IN FULL...but there are many Prince fans that are high AND jealous...so what is your point??

lotusboy said:

Good to know that construrctive criticism equates to intoxication and jealousy

vainandy said:

No, he didn't.

lotusboy said:

What exactly is that author "jealous" of? (Gosh, I can't stand the misuse of that word. )

I am not even going to read all this mess...sheeeesh....
Someone add cliffs notes of the 9 pages of posts...haha

WaterInYourBath said:

Elvis infulenced every artist out there, no way he couldnt. Just like MJ and Prince have also. They were so big in the business they left their fingerprints everywhere. Elvis never needs be cited. He's like gravity.

hollywooddove said:

violetblues said:

Yes, Elvis is lurking too.

hollywooddove said:

to bring elvis up reminded me of first part of this scene



"everytime someone mentions Prince or MJ, someone gotta bring.....

Even James Brown gave Elvis his props. You may not like it, but Elvis is in the DNA of popular music.

hollywooddove said:

Oh, for goodness sakes, somebody stop the madness and the BS. No way in the soil of this earth did Elvis influence every artist out there. He may have influenced some, but no way will should he be given all the credit for a style he copied big time, from other artists. Come on now, let's give credit where credit is due. Elvis' style was copied from earlier black artists, and his influence was mostly on other white artists that tried to copy what he copied, after that. That was the trend back in that day, when many white artists tried to mock the styles of black artists, because that music was not being accepted in a segregated society until Elvis copied the singing music and dancing styles of black artists, because there really wasn't any other well-known, young white artist trying to do that at that time. It is not like Elvis didn't appreciate learning it from them, but the fact is, he did. He introduced it to white society in his own way. Like many orgers mentioned several times on this thread, the black music that was heard during the 40s and 50s were called "race" music, and all sorts of other names.

If anybody was an influence it was Chuck Berry, Little Richard, and James Brown's music. Chuck Berry and Little Richard influenced Elvis, at least get the facts straight. If MJ called Elvis one of his influences, that's because Elvis copied his style from earlier black artists. Point blank. He didn't even know certain sounds of black music, until he made it his personal business to visit black night clubs, (and that was according to James Brown who confirmed in his book that Elvis inquired about certain types of music sung within the black community, and that he visited black nightclubs to learn the style) in a segregated society at the time, where black artists were not allowed to walk in the door of white clubs, but Elvis, being white, was allowed to frequent black night clubs, because there were no laws barring him from entering any black business or other venue. To this day, in my opinion, Chuck Berry and Little Richard do not receive the amount of credit they deserve, for being two of the major influences of rock and roll. Chuck Berry was an influence to Bill Haley, Bruce Springsteen, Jimi Hendrix, Prince, Grateful Dead, The Beatles, Elvis Presley, Peter Tosh, and a host of other artists. His reputation and influence on many artists speaks for itself and he could put a stamp on that.




Chuck Berry was an influence to Jimi Hendrix as well







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Music can't stay within a Unique style, it goes along with the time and the styles throughout the decades and eras, and will always move within the waves..
Music hasn't and can't be destroyed, Music evolves, changes, "morphes", so does Prince's music ..

hollywooddove said:

Lol.....B.S.