sorry dude but ive watched jet planes leave a chem trail not passenger planes, no im not a gov. drone nor do i think prince is ... and your examples just show what our government has tried to get away with such as the iran contra scandal ... while people were busy staring at their tvs thinking everything is just fine ... it is very unfortunate that people do not understand how big and powerful these industries are ... especially the military and the drug makers. every political leader that was not part of the elite group of families has been murdered and i just found out yesterday that barrack is actually cousins with dick cheney ... anywayze watch the zietgeist movie or any footage of 9/11 towers dropping and try to convince yourself that it was not a controlled demolition. i cant do it. its just too plain to see and obvious. buildings just do not collapse at free fall rate naturally and the hole in the pentagon was not big enough to be an airplane ... unfortunately the implications of realizing our president committed treason and those in high office continue to for the sake of creating the patriot act which VIOLATES OUR CONSTITUTION.

this is a class war being waged using the same techniques as germany did. bomb yourself, cause citizens to voluntarily give up constitutional rights out of fear, and give the president emergency decision powers so he can take over the globe. we do not have a democracy ... we have a puppet democracy while the elite control the world. fortunately you are right in that hopefully they wont get away with it. but as long as people continue to be IGNORANT of real information ... not the spoon fed scripts you see repeated on every tv station ... we will be in this holding pattern headed for deep global oppression similar to the beaurocracies we revolted against when coming to america ... these patterns repeat over and over thruout history.

sorry dude but ive watched jet planes leave a chem trail not passenger planes, no im not a gov. drone nor do i think prince is ... and your examples just show what our government has tried to get away with such as the iran contra scandal ... while people were busy staring at their tvs thinking everything is just fine ... it is very unfortunate that people do not understand how big and powerful these industries are ... especially the military and the drug makers. every political leader that was not part of the elite group of families has been murdered and i just found out yesterday that barrack is actually cousins with dick cheney ... anywayze watch the zietgeist movie or any footage of 9/11 towers dropping and try to convince yourself that it was not a controlled demolition. i cant do it. its just too plain to see and obvious. buildings just do not collapse at free fall rate naturally and the hole in the pentagon was not big enough to be an airplane ... unfortunately the implications of realizing our president committed treason and those in high office continue to for the sake of creating the patriot act which VIOLATES OUR CONSTITUTION.

this is a class war being waged using the same techniques as germany did. bomb yourself, cause citizens to voluntarily give up constitutional rights out of fear, and give the president emergency decision powers so he can take over the globe. we do not have a democracy ... we have a puppet democracy while the elite control the world. fortunately you are right in that hopefully they wont get away with it. but as long as people continue to be IGNORANT of real information ... not the spoon fed scripts you see repeated on every tv station ... we will be in this holding pattern headed for deep global oppression similar to the beaurocracies we revolted against when coming to america ... these patterns repeat over and over thruout history.

TrevorAyer said:

Thank you TrevorAyer for starting this thread. Prince has raised a challenging and deep issue that affects everyone living in the U.S. but particularly the African-American community.

The chem trails seem to be in a similar vein as the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment. Just like the subjects that were recruited for that experiment were not informed about its purpose and later not treated for the syphilis that was injected in them, no one in the media or governmental organizations are discussing anything about chem trails:
http://www.npr.org/progra.../tuskegee/

To me the pressure to get vaccinated for the h1n1 flu seems suspect. There are parents that blame vaccines for the development of autism in their sons. Jenny McCarthy being one celebrity who is very vocal about this position.

That is an interesting point you raise about the 9/11 incident.

sorry dude but ive watched jet planes leave a chem trail not passenger planes, no im not a gov. drone nor do i think prince is ... and your examples just show what our government has tried to get away with such as the iran contra scandal ... while people were busy staring at their tvs thinking everything is just fine ... it is very unfortunate that people do not understand how big and powerful these industries are ... especially the military and the drug makers. every political leader that was not part of the elite group of families has been murdered and i just found out yesterday that barrack is actually cousins with dick cheney ... anywayze watch the zietgeist movie or any footage of 9/11 towers dropping and try to convince yourself that it was not a controlled demolition. i cant do it. its just too plain to see and obvious. buildings just do not collapse at free fall rate naturally and the hole in the pentagon was not big enough to be an airplane ... unfortunately the implications of realizing our president committed treason and those in high office continue to for the sake of creating the patriot act which VIOLATES OUR CONSTITUTION.

this is a class war being waged using the same techniques as germany did. bomb yourself, cause citizens to voluntarily give up constitutional rights out of fear, and give the president emergency decision powers so he can take over the globe. we do not have a democracy ... we have a puppet democracy while the elite control the world. fortunately you are right in that hopefully they wont get away with it. but as long as people continue to be IGNORANT of real information ... not the spoon fed scripts you see repeated on every tv station ... we will be in this holding pattern headed for deep global oppression similar to the beaurocracies we revolted against when coming to america ... these patterns repeat over and over thruout history.

(C) The term `exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space.

gyro34 said:

oh sorry here is a much easier link to the zeitgeist movie

http://www.youtube.com/wa...HiuaGJ46zo

gyro34 said:

From wht I have read Autism stems from having an over toxicity of heavy metals in the body. The brain can't fire properly, here is a link
http://www.autismmedia.org/media4.html
Also what I researched, one of the main components in in the flue shot for h1n1? Mercury
Now here's a good example of if mercury is what causes neurological damage...then it would make sense 2 why this poor girl has been affected this way...made me say hmmm..
http://www.youtube.com/wa...jwEKAPYsPQ
A video I saw said another componet in the shot is Antifreeze, but here is an interesting video a doctor talks about the virus
http://www.youtube.com/wa...-4E2B-x5mM
http://www.youtube.com/wa...lBWVeTutJk
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(C) The term `exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space.

great links dwz!!!

vanity and the flesh are a madhouse in time long live the revolution and welcome to the new power generation

DWZ said:

Thanks.

Here is another thread on chemtrails: http://prince.org/msg/7/302297?&pg=1

There is a link in there to a bill that was written, and changed before voted on, regarding the banning of space based weapons, in which one of the weapons mentioned on the bill was "chemtrails", which was listed as an exotic weapon, with the following included:



The bill can be found at the Library of Congress at this url: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi...IH:[/quote

I believe this would explain the purpose of Haarp then wouldn't it...

(III) directing a source of energy (including molecular or atomic energy, subatomic particle beams, electromagnetic radiation, plasma, or extremely low frequency (ELF) or ultra low frequency (ULF) energy radiation) against that object; or

(IV) any other unacknowledged or as yet undeveloped means.

(ii) Inflicting death or injury on, or damaging or destroying, a person (or the biological life, bodily health, mental health, or physical and economic well-being of a person)--

Or this part...kinda highlights the focus upon Haarp's intentions more clearly

II) through the use of land-based, sea-based, or space-based systems using radiation, electromagnetic, psychotronic, sonic, laser, or other energies directed at individual persons or targeted populations for the purpose of information war, mood management, or mind control of such persons or populations; or
(III) by expelling chemical or biological agents in the vicinity of a person.

(B) Such terms include exotic weapons systems such as--

(i) electronic, psychotronic, or information weapons;

(ii) chemtrails;

(iii) high altitude ultra low frequency weapons systems;

(iv) plasma, electromagnetic, sonic, or ultrasonic weapons;

(v) laser weapons systems;

(vi) strategic, theater, tactical, or extraterrestrial weapons; and

(vii) chemical, biological, environmental, climate, or tectonic weapons.

(C) The term `exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space.
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Ha ha My dad's watching the tube, there was a special on True tv last night that he taped.. it's about Haarp... I will try 2 find a link

DWZ said:

http://www.trutv.com/show...video.html

DWZ said:

I posted the video in another thread over in P/R

here's the link


http://www.udonews.com/vi...ura-1-of-6
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hey ufo club... as i said watch ANY vid of the towers collapse packaged or not it is simple common sense in my mind .. and btw i didnt believe the hype when it happened either its just nice that after all these years i am not the only one who sees something that makes no sense... the collapse was broadcast on every station there is TONS of footage ... judge for yourself .. those towers fell at freefall speed even tho there were dozens of floors below the impact point that were not even on fire ... FREE FALL SPEED dude ... that can only occur in a planned demolition ... anyway maybe u are a government drone but again it seams like common sense to me ... its just not right ... and yes i have worked in these areas for many years not as a "conspiracy" hobby but as a passion for understanding how my body works and how what we put into ourselves directly affects us so i agree with u in that they do put shit in our water as well ... floride and chlorine are both very poisonous and there are many doctors who agree ... who know if this is to kill us or just make a buck selling a product to the masses ... floride is a by product of ALLUMINUM CAN manufacturing ... u think thats good for u? floride kills the living bacteria in your mouth and fucks up your bones. we are given what we need to have a healthy life without injestic some new chemical ... also before u were talking about how gov is too incompetent to pull this off ... yes the same gov that had slaves ... practically extinguished the entire native american race and refused women the right to vote ... yes that government. the fact is that most of the us citizens no longer believe the official story regarding 911 and there are large movements protesting floride and other toxic elements of our culture that are FORCED upon us thru LAW. do you realize that BGH bovine growth hormone is banned in every other country but ours yet the BGH manufacturers have successfully lobied congress to make it ILLEGAL for non BGH dairy to label it as such so that consumers can have a choice. I could go on and on and on not out of happiness but out of a deep anger that we are not given a choice. They are already discussing making the flu shots MANDATORY and with the spray acting as a carrier u can be sure it will be called pandemic and justify the mandatory vaccine. I fight for my rights under the constitution and these policies and chemicals being forced upon citizens are unconstitutional and an act of treason against our civil liberties. Maybe everyone else is happy to be hearded like sheep off a cliff but im not interested. So no its not a hobby and it doesnt make me happy. it makes me feel violated.

yo ufo .. um yes built a house and yes common sense prevails and yes know how to live in woods did so for 3 years and yes go contact ur friend do some research instead of assuming i know nothing ... it is the media that confuses and dumbs people down to the lowest common denomenator .. entertainment and fear ... u obviously have your mind made up which is fine but i find your argument illogical and without substance throwing around assumptions that i dont know what i am talking about simply attempting to discredit without actually supporting your position.. debate the issues not my knowledge u dont know me or what i know or what i do period, u have no basis whatsoever so prove me wrong if u can or at least put up a sensible counter logic other than "he probably doesnt know what clouds are made of" .. the other ideas were in response to you throwing other ideas into the mix ... i recommend that u do some research your self ... try to get at least 2 opposing positions
and really think for yourself about which one is plausible ... well dont

say "nobody told me i wish i had known" ... there are a lot of great ideas brought up by prince and the other orgers ... ignorance is bliss and furthermore i think your definition of common sense and mine are quite different ... i have heard all the explainations and read the science and know a few things myself from my own experiences ... u know a liar will sit there and lie to your face and say all kinds of shit to confuse u till u dont know the truth and if u detach ... look at the facts ... learn and understand both sides of the arguement .. in many cases removing all the hype and fear results in a very very clear picture ... common sense is not just oh look in the sky some one painted clouds up there .. duh .. it doesnt take much to understand the science of clouds or the universe really if u pay attention or the structural design of a building designed NOT TO COLLAPSE even when impacted by an airplane ... again the common sense ... it was designed NOT TO COLLAPSE ... eye witnesses at the pentagon yeah right they couldnt even find ANY plane wreckage ... official story IT DISINTIGRATED ... yeah right ... not even an engine part or a wing NOTHING ... how about u show me ONE picture of some plane wreckage at the pentagon 90 surveilance cameras at the pentagon and not one shot of an airplain yeah right .. yeah common sense says i dont believe someone or some government that is completely full of shit ... the reasons for the lie are far more debatable than the FACT THAT THEY LIED and continue to lie. i guess common sense to me is a nice way of saying duh! how obvious does the lie have to be before people pull off the blinders ... oh well peace good luck

really if u pay attention or the structural design of a building designed NOT TO COLLAPSE even when impacted by an airplane ... again the common sense ... it was designed NOT TO COLLAPSE ...

DWZ said:

Its unique beauty. From the decks of the Greenpeace ship Esperanza, I saw endangered Steller sea lions perched on rocky islands, tufted puffins soaring overhead, and humpback whales gliding peacefully alongside the ship.

But this pristine ecosystem could soon be lost forever. Pollock - a small fish that is an essential food for Steller sea lions, tufted puffins, and humpback whales - are being vacuumed up by massive industrial ships and churned out as fish sandwiches at McDonald’s and Burger King.

We’ve been warning for years that the commercial fishing industry would destroy this fragile ocean environment. Now - with the pollock population reduced to the smallest on record - it’s more urgent than ever to achieve our goal of establishing a global network of marine reserves, where fishing practices and other extractive industries would be prohibited and 40 percent of our open seas would be protected.

I’m asking you to make an immediate commitment to the protection of our oceans - please make a generous year-end contribution to help us stand against the industrial greed threatening life in our oceans.

The commercial fishing industry is absolutely to blame for much of the damage to our oceans and marine populations, but they’re not alone. They share blame with policy makers who can sustainably limit commercial fishing and establish marine reserves, but fail to do so time and again.

Science Magazine reports that the world’s oceans will soon be unrecognizable if swift action isn’t taken. We must - as a nation and a planet - set aside 40 percent of the world’s oceans as protected marine reserves if we hope to save the endangered Steller sea lion, the tufted puffin, the humpback whale and countless others like them.

Please make a generous donation today. Greenpeace exists to give a voice to those who have none - to speak out for the interests of the ocean against the interests of industry and excess profit. But we can’t do it without you. Now is the time to force action from our government to protect our oceans through a global network of marine reserves.

Greenpeace is ready for the challenge - please help us win with your most generous year-end donation possible. So we all can help. I think this tread
links up to this.