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Thread started 05/10/09 9:37pm

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C.J.: Hey, kids, it's time for Prince's history lesson

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Apparently CJ gets PBS by Pony Express, but here's her take on the Tavis sitch.

http://www.startribune.co...=KArksUUUU

By C.J., Star Tribune
Last update: May 9, 2009 - 8:22 PM

Prince doesn't know his presidents.

While doing his recent interview on Tavis Smiley's PBS show, Prince talked about a song he has written that begins "I was born on a plantation in the United States of the red, white and blue." Then, Prince got into the deep water, as Smiley watched and did nothing on air to save Symbolina. "We're all indentured servants," Prince pontificated. "When I found out there were eight presidents before George Washington, I wanted to smack somebody. I wanted to know why I was taught otherwise. Just tell me the whole story -- I'll fill in the blanks. But don't tell me something that you think I'm supposed to know."

Sounds as if blanks were already filled in and incorrectly so. Smiley didn't follow up on the eight presidents, but he did remark, "We're indentured servants and we've got a black president now?" Prince said as a member of the Jehovah's Witness denomination he doesn't vote. However, "That's not to say that I don't think Barack Obama -- President Obama -- is a very smart individual and he seems like he means well." What condescension from Symbolina, who is no intellect compared with Obama.

With the help of a colleague, I easily found a website that talks about the presidents before Washington. Given the facetiousness of much that is posted on the Internet, I could also probably find a website devoted to Martians who have served in government. To explain Prince's confusion, I needed a human howitzer of history, if you will. Ladies, gentlemen, kids and princes everywhere, a few words from Larry Jacobs, political science prof at the U and teacher of a class that Symbolina should check out.

"George Washington was the first president of the United States. There were no presidents before George Washington because we didn't have a ratified Constitution. Prince is off the mark," Jacobs said. "He should go back to elementary school history class. He could be confused. Maybe he's thinking about the confederation, but the Constitution was drawn up in 1793 and ratified over the next few years. Washington was the first and second president; he served two terms. That's why people call him the Father of Our Country. Again, elementary school kids know this. I teach a class on the presidency. Prince is welcome to take it. I can guarantee you my students wouldn't get this wrong."

Prince clearly considers himself an intellectual, as he revealed to Smiley: "When you [and Cornel West] come over to the house and we sit and just talk about heavy things, I just become thankful."

And, now, comedy from Prince
Prince was also very funny. "I've seen some really strange rewrites of my stuff," Prince told Smiley. "One time they said the lyrics to 'When Doves Cry' was [sic] 'Dig, if you will, the picture of me, Marvin Gaye and the kids." (The actual lyrics: "Dig if you will the picture, of you and I engaged in a kiss.")

Then once again, off into the deep water Prince went. "This person will go unnamed. She didn't speak the English language too good [sic]. She had a really cute daughter, so that's why we was [sic] acquaintances. But she swore up and down 'Little Red Corvette' was 'Pay the rent collect.'"

That's great comedy, and Prince delivered the lines beautifully, but he shouldn't denigrate the speaking skills of others when his speech is so easily [sic]ced.
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Reply #1 posted 05/10/09 10:12pm

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She is so ridiculous, and has wasted any talent she has writing diatribes against Prince. Presidents aside, why does she care? What does she do that's worthwhile in the world? Nothing. It's not that she's anti-Prince, it's just that she's constantly proving "Billy Jack Bitch" to be correct. Tsk tsk.

hmph!
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Reply #2 posted 05/10/09 10:22pm

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ernestsewell said:

She is so ridiculous, and has wasted any talent she has writing diatribes against Prince. Presidents aside, why does she care? What does she do that's worthwhile in the world? Nothing. It's not that she's anti-Prince, it's just that she's constantly proving "Billy Jack Bitch" to be correct. Tsk tsk.

hmph!


...and she's late to the party again. She's still using "Symbolina" too fryingpan.
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Reply #3 posted 05/10/09 10:30pm

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squirrelgrease said:

...and she's late to the party again. She's still using "Symbolina" too fryingpan.


RIGHT?! Totally ridiculous. That hate is eating her alive, and she doesn't even know it.
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Reply #4 posted 05/10/09 10:32pm

Imago

wow, that is one angry girl lol

Why the hell does she have beef with Prince?


As far as Prince being no intellect. Well, duh. lol
He's proven himself over and over again that when he opens his mouth, he always seems to say something profoundly stupid or offensive.
I laugh when people think he's 'complex' or 'intellectual' lol Please. He's a genius musician with the ability to manipulate words in song sometimes in very clever ways. But that shit he said on Tavis's show was comedic. lol
If anything his true genius may be that he's been joking the entire span of his career and the media is his punch line. One can only hope. lol


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Reply #5 posted 05/10/09 10:33pm

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wow its really time to move on, so sad...
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Reply #6 posted 05/10/09 10:34pm

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whew Oh thank heavens!

Regardless of what the LPAB thinks of me, I haven't sunk so low in my Prince dissension that I can actually appreciate C.J.!!! falloff

When I saw the title, for a moment, I worried there just a bit, my damn self! evillol

Ok Prince, there is still just a small glimmer of hope! Quit playing, snap out of it and fix this shit...damn! falloff
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Reply #7 posted 05/10/09 10:36pm

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So wait...how many presidents were before Washington?
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Reply #8 posted 05/10/09 10:49pm

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Imago said:

wow, that is one angry girl lol

Why the hell does she have beef with Prince?


Listen to "Billy Jack Bitch".
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Reply #9 posted 05/10/09 10:55pm

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ernestsewell said:

Imago said:

wow, that is one angry girl lol

Why the hell does she have beef with Prince?


Listen to "Billy Jack Bitch".


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Reply #10 posted 05/10/09 10:59pm

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ernestsewell said:

Imago said:

wow, that is one angry girl lol

Why the hell does she have beef with Prince?


Listen to "Billy Jack Bitch".

Yes, it was a response to her.
The line" Joy, it's in the dictionary. C J, billy jack bitch" is among his most clever.

However, that's a response to her based on a history of stuff she had already levied against him.

I'm wondering what really started it all.
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Reply #11 posted 05/10/09 11:09pm

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Imago said:

Yes, it was a response to her.


The story is in the song, well beyond that one line.
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Reply #12 posted 05/10/09 11:17pm

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Imago said:

wow, that is one angry girl lol

Why the hell does she have beef with Prince?


As far as Prince being no intellect. Well, duh. lol
He's proven himself over and over again that when he opens his mouth, he always seems to say some profoundly stupid or offensive.
I laugh when people think he's 'complex' or 'intellectual' lol Please. He's a genius musician with the ability to manipulate words in song sometimes in very clever ways. But that shit he said on Tavis's show was comedic. lol
If anything his true genius may be that he's been joking the entire span of his career and the media is his punch line. One can only hope.
[Edited 5/10/09 22:35pm]



What if I called U silly names
Just like the ones that U call me?


CJ has called Prince Symbolina since the name change. I forget what set off their feud before that.

I ain't sayin' CJ is outta line with this article. As you say, Prince makes himself an easy target with his inane ramblings. CJ's tampon fuse just gets so lit every time Purps says a dumb.
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Reply #13 posted 05/10/09 11:19pm

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Rogue588 said:

So wait...how many presidents were before Washington?



lol wink
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Reply #14 posted 05/10/09 11:19pm

Imago

ernestsewell said:

Imago said:

Yes, it was a response to her.


The story is in the song, well beyond that one line.


I know the lyrics pretty well as it's one of my favorite Prince songs.

But aside from accusing her of misinformation and speculating on the causes of it, I can't find anything that would tip me off as to why she was so rude to him over the years.

The most descriptive he gets is with:


What distortion could U let your pen forget 2day?
What misfortune left your heart so broken U only say
Words intended 2 belittle or dismay?
What if I say U lie?


and again, it's little more the speculation and denial of what she prints.
I guess it'll be on a webpage or something.


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Reply #15 posted 05/10/09 11:20pm

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squirrelgrease said:

Imago said:

wow, that is one angry girl lol

Why the hell does she have beef with Prince?


As far as Prince being no intellect. Well, duh. lol
He's proven himself over and over again that when he opens his mouth, he always seems to say some profoundly stupid or offensive.
I laugh when people think he's 'complex' or 'intellectual' lol Please. He's a genius musician with the ability to manipulate words in song sometimes in very clever ways. But that shit he said on Tavis's show was comedic. lol
If anything his true genius may be that he's been joking the entire span of his career and the media is his punch line. One can only hope.
[Edited 5/10/09 22:35pm]



What if I called U silly names
Just like the ones that U call me?


CJ has called Prince Symbolina since the name change. I forget what set off their feud before that.

I ain't sayin' CJ is outta line with this article. As you say, Prince makes himself an easy target with his inane ramblings. CJ's tampon fuse just gets so lit every time Purps says a dumb.


Yes, I liked the nickname lol

What I was trying to figure out is what set the fued and why it's been ongoing.
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Reply #16 posted 05/10/09 11:30pm

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vile and despicable as some may find her, she's right about this. he's off his fuckin' rocker.
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Reply #17 posted 05/11/09 12:06am

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ain't she the same one that has been your avatar for many years?
To Sir, with Love
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Reply #18 posted 05/11/09 12:07am

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Imago said:

squirrelgrease said:




What if I called U silly names
Just like the ones that U call me?


CJ has called Prince Symbolina since the name change. I forget what set off their feud before that.

I ain't sayin' CJ is outta line with this article. As you say, Prince makes himself an easy target with his inane ramblings. CJ's tampon fuse just gets so lit every time Purps says a dumb.


Yes, I liked the nickname lol

What I was trying to figure out is what set the fued and why it's been ongoing.


She's a somewhat right-wing gossip columnist at a left-wing newspaper, with a huge axe to grind with anyone who doesn't return her phone calls. I've read her column for years - probably since the beginning. She's a huge bag of douche. But from my recollection, she came out of the gate swinging. It's some kind of love/hate thing, I think. She's painted portraits of Prince (not certain if she uses her own feces as the medium, though).

http://artworkbycj.com/ab...artist.asp





Fans of C.J.'s art are intrigued by her celebrity portraiture because of what she does for a living -- writing about notable people.

Various paintings of Prince hold particular fascination for some because C.J. appears to have been the inspiration for the song "Billy Jack Bitch" on his Gold Experience album. In a chance 1997 interview with C.J., Prince denied that the song is about her but many who have worked at Paisley Park, several Web sites and other publications say otherwise.

"I'm guessing Prince belatedly realized what a mistake it was to call additional attention to a knucklehead like me, even in an attack song. Who could imagine that column items about his public antics, which have given discerning readers real insight into his personality, would irritate him so much. I also understand that he was furious about me nicknaming him 'Symbolina,' after his ridiculous glyph-for-a-name phase," she said.
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Reply #19 posted 05/11/09 12:08am

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PEJ said:

ain't she the same one that has been your avatar for many years?


shhh
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Reply #20 posted 05/11/09 12:16am

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Reply #21 posted 05/11/09 12:28am

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squirrelgrease said:

In a chance 1997 interview with C.J., Prince denied that the song is about her but many who have worked at Paisley Park, several Web sites and other publications say otherwise.

Prince didn't have the balls to back his shit up?

squirrelgrease posted but

didnt say:

"I'm guessing Prince belatedly realized what a mistake it was to call additional attention to a knucklehead like me, even in an attack song. Who could imagine that column items about his public antics, which have given discerning readers real insight into his personality, would irritate him so much. I also understand that he was furious about me nicknaming him 'Symbolina,' after his ridiculous glyph-for-a-name phase," she said.

Ya gotta admit, douchery aside, he kinda invites some of this stuff hisself...


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[Edited 5/11/09 0:28am]
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squirrelgrease said:

PEJ said:

ain't she the same one that has been your avatar for many years?


shhh






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Reply #23 posted 05/11/09 12:48am

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DigMeNow said:

"With the help of a colleague, I easily found a website that talks about the presidents before Washington."

What's the matter C.J.... You haven't learned how to use google by yourself yet.

lol


I thought the same thing.
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Reply #24 posted 05/11/09 1:48am

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Rogue588 said:

squirrelgrease said:

In a chance 1997 interview with C.J., Prince denied that the song is about her but many who have worked at Paisley Park, several Web sites and other publications say otherwise.

Prince didn't have the balls to back his shit up?


The infamous 1997 meeting between CJ and Prince:

http://www.startribune.co...51341.html

C.J.: Prince's curbside chat with his `biggest enemy'

By C.J., Star Tribune
Last update: June 2, 1997 - 11:00 PM

Chanhassen's most famous citizen has been such a chatterbox of late that it was only a matter of time before he yakked me up. It wasn't a planned thing, mind you. But the way Prince sees the world, he'd probably say it was meant to be. For 45 minutes we chatted and sparred about worldly and otherworldly things: Mayte, marriage, sex, God; and was I a girlfriend from his past? On a lighter note, at least for me, Prince declared me his "biggest enemy." He interviewed me as much as vice versa, according to my friend, witness, and the person responsible for this close encounter, Beverly Cochran. Beverly is a childhood friend I met at a small Presbyterian church in Albany, Ga. She had come to spend the Memorial Day holiday with me . . . and to see Prince. She knew the odds. She was playfully planning to fabricate a story for her friends back in Atlanta about meeting Prince at Paisley Park but not getting a picture of him because he is famously camera-shy. Make-believe came dangerously close to reality.

Accommodating host that I am, I dutifully drove Beverly to Chanhassen and pointed out the house where I believed Prince lives. (Do not call 332-TIPS to ask where.) At that moment, a sports car with superdark tinted windows roared down the drive. The driver followed my car, and from my rearview mirror I could see his hands on the steering wheel. It was enough for me to make a positive ID: I know his hands, his knuckles, his fingernails, his cuticles. With his thumbs wrapped under the steering wheel, he used his fingers to make a move-it-buster gesture. Cooperative as ever, I slowed down. He whipped by us, only to have us catch up at the next light. Lowering his window, he stuck his hand out and made a series of graceful gestures: Was he moving to music or testing my proficiency at interpreting gang signs? His face was visible, reflected in his side-view mirror. Take a picture of the car, I ordered. Beverly, daughter of a famous portrait photographer, was transfixed and fumbled around before the camera finally clicked. With the green light, we both took off again. We both headed to Paisley Park (our next tourist stop). He zipped into Paisley.

I parked on the street outside - having been kicked out of there before, I wasn't about to get into trouble for trespassing. But when I spied his vehicle positioned just inside Paisley, I got out of my car so he could see his pursuer. Bingo. He pulled out and parked right behind my car. I walked over. He lowered his car window. Beverly came over with a camera in hand. "No pictures!" he said. Even though his eyes were hidden behind dark glasses with a glyph on the temple, there was flight in his voice. I stashed the camera back in my car. You have Beverly to thank for the rest.

Sincerely, she told Prince how much she loves his music and how gifted he is. Somehow, the conversation turned to me. He said he didn't recognize me. Peering over my dark glasses (with no symbol on the side), I revealed my eyes and identity. "Billy!" Prince said, in a playfully yet condescendingly familiar growl. Proof that "Billy Jack Bitch" was written in my honor? I was surprised he didn't snap his car in gear that minute. But somehow, he and Beverly got into a discussion of the "Celestine Prophecy." Both had read it and found it incredible. "I can't believe you have a friend I like!" said Prince.

Of God and judgments God came up. I admitted to a belief in a higher power. "Where do you think God is? Where is he?" asked Prince, draping his arm out of the car to motion to the surroundings. "I think that God is in all of us," said Beverly. Prince loved that, adding, "it takes all of us knowing God before he'll manifest himself." My turn: Did God approve of his sexually explicit lyrics (not to mention the simulated sex on stage)? "Sex is the door-opener," he said, "once you open the door. . . . "

More godly talk ensued, with Prince growing more impressed with Beverly. "What are you here for? " he asked me. I told him I was here to have fun - he was not impressed - and that in my job, I also liked to remind people how we should behave. "Oh, you're a judger. You like to judge, and you shouldn't, because one day you will be judged," the Rev. Prince said. I plan to do enough good to merit a decent evaluation. "Why don't you like me?" asked Prince. I told him I didn't like the way he behaved. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis are big-time musicmakers, and yet they go out and act like normal people. "I'm not Jimmy Jam and Terry," he said. "I thought you hated me because you were an old girlfriend." I ripped off my sunglasses so he'd get a good look at a face that does not radiate the exquisite beauty of his protegees Carmen Electra, Apollonia or Mayte. "It's what's inside," he said, tapping his chest. Of Mayte and fate I'm not doubting what's inside his wife (Mayte must have the soul of a saint to live with this guy), but I doubt he could read her innards at first sight.

Prince admitted that marriage was the last thing on his mind when he met Mayte: "I didn't want to get married. Get married? Me? I wasn't looking to get married." But he couldn't ignore the signs. Mayte is like Mattie, his mom's name. Mayte's mom's name is Nell, and when he married Mayte he became son of Nell; his family name is Nelson. He said his dad's name was John L. - Jannell is Mayte's middle name. My eyes glazed over; I have never understood predicating an important decision like marriage on a name game. I believe he also said both his dad and Mayte's dad's names were John. That's a cosmic coincidence? But Prince clearly believes there is much to this and his discovery of Mayte as "my soul mate." I suggested that he sought a soul mate who was gorgeous.

I'm not Billy? Despite greeting me as Billy and using the "Billy Jack Bitch" theme "you lie" on me, he maintained that the song was not about me at all. More intelligent types than yours truly - KMSP-TV and Impact, a national radio-biz publication - concluded the song was an attack on me: "What if I called you silly names . . . just like the ones that you call me . . . " Names, you know, such as Symbolina. And while we're talking about lying, "You lied on Oprah," I parried. I didn't go into the lies of commission and of omission on the birth and death certificates of his baby boy. But I said I was bothered that he reportedly told "Entertainment Tonight" that the birth of his baby was "amazing." "Look up amazing in the dictionary," he advised. He called me his "biggest enemy," but said he had no ill will toward me. He said he dated a cheerleader named Cheryl Johnson - here we go again with the names - in the 11th grade at Central High in Minneapolis. Prince said that people named Johnson have been either his best friends or his great enemies. He mentioned enemy and former rocker Rick James, whose real last name is Johnson according to Prince, and Jesse Johnson, a former Time guitarist who I believe was characterized as a former friend.

No hard feelings I told him I've enjoyed some of his music, and I know he's a musical genius. I also tried to make the point that no self-respecting gossip columnist could ignore a local celeb of his worldwide stature. Despite our mutual lack of animosity, Prince refused to allow a photo of himself and Beverly. But not because he was camera-shy. When another Atlanta resident visiting the metro happened by with her relatives and asked for a picture, Prince acquiesced. Beverly wanted to know why she was refused a picture. "You're with her," he said, pointing at me. And she must be punished for that, I replied. Ladies and gentlemen, kids of all ages, it's official - Prince will talk to anybody.


squirrelgrease posted but

didnt say:

"I'm guessing Prince belatedly realized what a mistake it was to call additional attention to a knucklehead like me, even in an attack song. Who could imagine that column items about his public antics, which have given discerning readers real insight into his personality, would irritate him so much. I also understand that he was furious about me nicknaming him 'Symbolina,' after his ridiculous glyph-for-a-name phase," she said.

Ya gotta admit, douchery aside, he kinda invites some of this stuff hisself...


Absolutely.
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Reply #25 posted 05/11/09 4:15am

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Reply #26 posted 05/11/09 4:50am

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Whew! Lucky for Prince that nobody is mentioning that he said he was re-educating white people.
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squirrelgrease said:

_____"George Washington was the first president of the United States. There were no presidents before George Washington because we didn't have a ratified Constitution. Prince is off the mark," Jacobs said. "He should go back to elementary school history class. He could be confused. Maybe he's thinking about the confederation, but the Constitution was drawn up in 1793 and ratified over the next few years. Washington was the first and second president; he served two terms. That's why people call him the Father of Our Country. Again, elementary school kids know this. I teach a class on the presidency. Prince is welcome to take it. I can guarantee you my students wouldn't get this wrong."
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the students wouldn't get that specific answer wrong because that is what
they have been taught.

which was exactly prince's point. what you're being taught and what is
true are not always the same thing.
and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #28 posted 05/11/09 5:35am

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funksterr said:

Whew! Lucky for Prince that nobody is mentioning that he said he was re-educating white people.

He did? That's funny!


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Reply #29 posted 05/11/09 6:06am

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We all know that C.J. is a crazy bitch,but she's not entirely wrong about this.In recent interviews,Prince says alot of stuff that is simply untrue.
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