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Reply #300 posted 04/27/09 10:35pm

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NuPwrSoul said:

fenderbender said:



Come on! "just sing and dance for me Prince" - because you know you only exist for our entertainment and then off you go!


Quite the contrary--if all I was interested in was Prince singing and dancing, then I would not have bothered to watch an interview with him where he was not scheduled to sing and dance.

The fact of the matter is, I am very interested in what Prince has to say... I am very interested in the human being behind the song and dance, and that's why I watched the interview. That's why I listened to his words. And that's why I'm responding/reacting to his words.


nod

Thanks for posting this while fenderbender did not quote anyone in particular.This is also my reason for tuning in. By no means am I looking to pick him apart.
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Reply #301 posted 04/27/09 10:39pm

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Exactly... odd that "The Dreamer" references Dr. King, who used the moral force of his faith to *engage* the government, promote legislation, and seek to transform society greater than his own religious community. Unlike Prince, Dr. King recognized that he did indeed "have a dog in this race" (something Prince said he didn't in the interview when discussing President Obama).



There it is ! Dr.King could easily crawled in a religious hole with his congregation.He chose to get involved.While Prince has the right to what he chooses it negates his stand on many stands he takes.


I bet you he won't leave his copyright protection up to Jehovah... no, apparently Universal Music Group Publishing & an army of secular lawyers are needed for that!
"That...magic, the start of something revolutionary-the Minneapolis Sound, we should cherish it and not punish prince for not being able to replicate it."-Dreamshaman32
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Reply #302 posted 04/27/09 10:42pm

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NuPwrSoul said:

utopia7 said:




There it is ! Dr.King could easily crawled in a religious hole with his congregation.He chose to get involved.While Prince has the right to what he chooses it negates his stand on many stands he takes.


I bet you he won't leave his copyright protection up to Jehovah... no, apparently Universal Music Group Publishing & an army of secular lawyers are needed for that!


it's okay to get involved in business, just not politics.
it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die
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Reply #303 posted 04/27/09 10:44pm

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NuPwrSoul said:

utopia7 said:




There it is ! Dr.King could easily crawled in a religious hole with his congregation.He chose to get involved.While Prince has the right to what he chooses it negates his stand on many stands he takes.


I bet you he won't leave his copyright protection up to Jehovah... no, apparently Universal Music Group Publishing & an army of secular lawyers are needed for that!



ROFLMAO !!!!! lol lol lol lol lol
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Reply #304 posted 04/27/09 10:45pm

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stanleylieber said:

NuPwrSoul said:



I bet you he won't leave his copyright protection up to Jehovah... no, apparently Universal Music Group Publishing & an army of secular lawyers are needed for that!


it's okay to get involved in business, just not politics.



Yeah I guess so
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Reply #305 posted 04/27/09 10:46pm

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NuPwrSoul said:



I bet you he won't leave his copyright protection up to Jehovah... no, apparently Universal Music Group Publishing & an army of secular lawyers are needed for that!


it's okay to get involved in business, just not politics.


But politics shapes the laws which regulate business.

There are of course many different strategies to bring about change, each with their own value for sure. Just sounds impotent to hear someone complain constantly complain about unfair business practices, while at the same time eschewing (and discouraging others from participating in) the political process that in part shapes the legal framework for those practices.
"That...magic, the start of something revolutionary-the Minneapolis Sound, we should cherish it and not punish prince for not being able to replicate it."-Dreamshaman32
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Reply #306 posted 04/27/09 10:48pm

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fenderbender said:

Here we go! I see so, some of you just wait to criticize every word or comment that comes out of Prince's mouth (as if any of your words could stand the same dissection)

Come on! "just sing and dance for me Prince" - because you know you only exist for our entertainment and then off you go! He is being human (flaws and all), with a wide range of experiences that cannot be encapsulated in one interview in a blue moon.

So should we really be riding on every word and offended or surprised when he expresses view points that we don't share.

Where's the tolerance, it is 2009 ya know!


your argument is "tolerance"? biggrin

practice what you preach.

touche'cool
However, at the risk of being hypocritical my statements still reflect the reality of this attitude by some of the posts.
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Reply #307 posted 04/27/09 10:52pm

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stanleylieber said:

NuPwrSoul said:



I bet you he won't leave his copyright protection up to Jehovah... no, apparently Universal Music Group Publishing & an army of secular lawyers are needed for that!


it's okay to get involved in business, just not politics.


The usual bigotry.
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Reply #308 posted 04/27/09 10:57pm

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NuPwrSoul said:

stanleylieber said:



it's okay to get involved in business, just not politics.


But politics shapes the laws which regulate business.

There are of course many different strategies to bring about change, each with their own value for sure. Just sounds impotent to hear someone complain constantly complain about unfair business practices, while at the same time eschewing (and discouraging others from participating in) the political process that in part shapes the legal framework for those practices.


oh, i agree. i just think it's helpful sometimes to summarize these things in simple language. it's really not all that mystical. the u.s. government is designed as a participatory system, and the less we participate, the more out of control it gets.

people like to point out that the u.s. was designed by and for rich white men. but prince is rich. people like to point out a lot of things but always fail to acknowledge that our system, flawed as it is, has managed to establish a worldwide standard of human freedom (an aggregate that includes all the bad shit that still goes on) unheard of in human history. prince's father couldn't have dreamed of pulling in millions of dollars a year in publishing royalties.

we've already tried the "theocratic order." prince really needs to read up on european history. those rich white men came to america because they were tired of religious wars. granted, they immediately enslaved and/or eradicated the native population, but in this day and age we've established that even blacks and amerindians are human beings. the 3/5 clause that people like to point out as damning evidence of the racism of the Founders was in fact a last-ditch compromise proposed by Benjamin Franklin when he realized that total abolition wasn't going to fly. the big slave states actually wanted their slaves to count as people so they could get more representatives in congress.

i'm not a supporter of either major party in the u.s. but i do vote my conscience. i think the abdication of our political process to career politicians is one of the main reasons our system is as fucked up as it is. we're supposed to be electing our neighbors to congress and the white house, not necessarily ivy league lawyers.
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Reply #309 posted 04/27/09 10:58pm

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ludwig said:

stanleylieber said:



it's okay to get involved in business, just not politics.


The usual bigotry.


i just think it's bad advice.
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Reply #310 posted 04/27/09 11:01pm

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i saw the nips too! eek

You must be American.
You think that women don't have nips until proven otherwise in porn movies or court cases about photographs taken by paparazzi.
Sjeez!
And you did not see nips. Perhaps just countours of them.
Remember: nips cannot be shown on TV in America. Death and guns can.
So you might be misstating `facts`.
Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #311 posted 04/27/09 11:06pm

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udo said:


Remember: nips cannot be shown on TV in America. Death and guns can.


sadly, this is true. titillation: knock yourself out. actual nudity, in all of its (often disappointing) glory: no.
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Reply #312 posted 04/27/09 11:21pm

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Don't see what that has to with religion exactly (though I hate that shit too), but in this case, he's got some facts to back him: There were 8 different men who served as the President of the Continental Congress before the ratification of the Constitution. There are many historians who argue that they should be counted as the first Presidents of the USA, despite the fact that country technically didn't exist yet.

So, there you go. Not quite as crazy as some of the other claims he's made over the years.


What's crazy is that he states it as if it's just fact that the country was around and there were 8 Presidents. It's a technicality, and why does he care? It's 8 more slave masters to him. I'd have to go with the fact that once the USA was established as a true country, then the President of said country can hold that title.
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Reply #313 posted 04/28/09 12:31am

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Actually, I just looked this up and it's true. One of the first political/historical things that Prince has taught me!

The 8 presidents before Washington were before the Constitution was in place.


I didn't know that!


Sorry Prince but you were off by 6.
There were 14 Pre-Constitution presidents and that entire interview was a bore.

Dead Pre-Washington "Presidents:"
1. Peyton Randolph: September – October 1774, May 10-24 1775
2. Henry Middleton: October 22-26 1774
3. John Hancock: May 24th, 1775 – November 1, 1777, November 23 1785 – May 29 1786 (that's right, the same John Hancock whose signature may be the most famous of all time, though during this last term as President, Hancock never even showed up, due to illness; he was somewhat of a “President in Name Only”)

4. Henry Laurens: November 1 1777 – December 10, 1778
5. John Jay: December 10 1778 – September 28 1779 (This is the same John Jay who later became the first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court)
6. Samuel Huntington: September 28 1779 – July 10 1781
7. Thomas McKean: July 10 1781 – November 5 1781
8. John Hanson: November 5 1781 – November 4 1982
9. Elias Boudinot: November 4 1782 – November 3 1783
10. Thomas Mifflin: November 3 1783 – November 30 1784
11. Richard Henry Lee: November 30 1784 – November 23 1785
12. Nathaniel Gorham: June 6 1786 – February 2 1787
13. Arthur St. Clair: February 2 1787 – January 22 1788
14. Cyrus Griffin: January 22 1788 – March 2 1788

(Source: http://colonial-america.s...residency)
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Reply #314 posted 04/28/09 1:02am

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TwiliteKid said:

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Nice! Good point.


I'm afraid you're wrong. George Michael was the first to stand up for these kinds of artists rights, and he took it further: He actually took Sony to court to get out of his deal.

And where do you get the idea that Prince gave back anything? Most of it never changed hands in the first place, being tied to future sales figures, projects that never happened and some serious inflation in the first place.


Prince makes up for it with his involvement in various charities though.
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Reply #315 posted 04/28/09 5:09am

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Copycat said:

Rebelution said:

Uh, look closely at Bria Valente's interview...she's showing nips!!!!! Actually, you don't have to look closely at all.






"Let her breasts ever give you rapture".(Drool) biggrin
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Time to take a cold bath..... razz razz razz
Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
James Brown & Michael Jackson RIP, your music still lives with us!
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Reply #316 posted 04/28/09 5:14am

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The interview last night ....can some one help UK orgers out with the details of how to see the Tavis show ? sorry if this has been posted already... biggrin
Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
James Brown & Michael Jackson RIP, your music still lives with us!
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Reply #317 posted 04/28/09 5:34am

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LondonStyle said:

The interview last night ....can some one help UK orgers out with the details of how to see the Tavis show ? sorry if this has been posted already... biggrin


I'll second that!
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Reply #318 posted 04/28/09 5:47am

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newpower319 said:

LondonStyle said:

The interview last night ....can some one help UK orgers out with the details of how to see the Tavis show ? sorry if this has been posted already... biggrin


I'll second that!


I'll third it! lol
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Reply #319 posted 04/28/09 6:23am

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I saw Travis Smiley show aired 4/27/09, Prince being interview aired on 5/4 and 5/5. I live in DC.
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Reply #320 posted 04/28/09 6:55am

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From my point of view the interview was very insightful into P's beliefs and understanding of things. & I'm looking forward to part II with Prince and Bria.
Peace ... & Stay Funky ...

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Reply #321 posted 04/28/09 7:12am

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YOOCHOOBPLZKTHNXBYE
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Reply #322 posted 04/28/09 7:26am

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Rorywan said:

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excuuuuuse me? Were you looking in the mirror when you typed that stupid shit? YOU are the one trying to say what Prince should and should not do.
I don't know who the hell you were talking to but it sure the fuck wasn't me.



ill



[Bait snip - luv4u]
"not a fan" falloff yeah...ok
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Reply #323 posted 04/28/09 7:30am

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YOOCHOOBPLZKTHNXBYE

Well, that is one way to tell 'em.
lol
-you ain't funky at all, you just a little ol' prude!
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Reply #324 posted 04/28/09 7:46am

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utopia7 said:

Prince says protectively to Tavis...." Where did you get the Lyrics ?"


lol Tavis proceeds not to read anything. Tavis should have just said from your site lol


and then prince would have said "but u can't print out the lyrics unless u know ..dammit i'm gonna fire those web designers and let that evil side of me come out like i said b4. cause I CAN GO THERE!!"
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #325 posted 04/28/09 7:48am

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Great interview! Prince looked and sounded great--very eloquent, intelligent and self-assured. Looking forward to part 2 tonite! biggrin
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Reply #326 posted 04/28/09 8:07am

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tho i enjoyed the interview, i'm still waiting 4 the answers and concerns that surround the website.

the day prince is actually interviewd by his fans i.e. consumers is the day i will truly faint
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #327 posted 04/28/09 8:08am

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L4OATheOriginal said:

tho i enjoyed the interview, i'm still waiting 4 the answers and concerns that surround the website.

the day prince is actually interviewd by his fans i.e. consumers is the day i will truly faint

God help us all if that ever happens. That's disaster waiting to happen.
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #328 posted 04/28/09 8:11am

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purplecam said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

tho i enjoyed the interview, i'm still waiting 4 the answers and concerns that surround the website.

the day prince is actually interviewd by his fans i.e. consumers is the day i will truly faint

God help us all if that ever happens. That's disaster waiting to happen.


i really don't think so cause the answers 2 questions might finally b answered, but then again maybe not cause he'll skate around the issues
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #329 posted 04/28/09 8:14am

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L4OATheOriginal said:

purplecam said:


God help us all if that ever happens. That's disaster waiting to happen.


i really don't think so cause the answers 2 questions might finally b answered, but then again maybe not cause he'll skate around the issues

There the answer right there. You know damn well he will skate around the answer and God only knows what the fans will do once they ask the questions, let alone respond to what he says or doesn't say.
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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