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Reply #90 posted 04/01/09 3:03pm

vinx98

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NDRU said:

Spank86 said:



listen to the riffs again, carefully. The sound very very similar but they are not the same.


exactly, the actual notes are different.


so you saying the whole song was invented by prince?
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Reply #91 posted 04/01/09 4:04pm

NDRU

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vinx98 said:

NDRU said:



exactly, the actual notes are different.


so you saying the whole song was invented by prince?


I'm saying that, yes, there is nothing specifically stolen from the song. But it's pretty obvious that he copied it.
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Reply #92 posted 04/01/09 6:47pm

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vinx98 said:



so you saying the whole song was invented by prince?


I'm saying that, yes, there is nothing specifically stolen from the song. But it's pretty obvious that he copied it.


Yah, just cant stand p fans who think he made everything. The guitar gently weep was horriblely stealing the limelight. Any other guitarist there cuold have done it too n there is no reason to go in front of all of them n make that orgasmic face
if u cant tell me if Prince or Rosie did the opening scream for Gett Off, then u are not purple !!!
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Reply #93 posted 04/02/09 8:54am

Spank86

vinx98 said:

NDRU said:



exactly, the actual notes are different.


so you saying the whole song was invented by prince?


Yes the song is an original prince recording. It does however borrow heavily from Jimi Hendrix's sound.

But then many other bands write songs that sound like other artists, It's not illegal or immoral to sound like someone.
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Reply #94 posted 04/02/09 8:59am

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blacksweat said:

....
If this was a problem, Lenny Kravitz, wouldn't have had a career. lol

falloff ohh true! lol
"Hyperactive when I was small, Hyperactive now I'm grown, Hyperactive 'till I'm dead and gone"
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Reply #95 posted 04/02/09 9:25am

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While we are on the same subject, Prince's Purple House is eerily similar to Hendrix's Red House. Coincidence?
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Reply #96 posted 04/02/09 9:36am

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vinx98 said:

he still needs permission whether its the whole song or part of the song. if someone sampled a riff from kiss and raspberry beret, they would still have to ask prince (or whoever owned the license to those songs). the person in question would have to be at least credited and they could sue for recompense or have an agreement on licensing.


I wonder if Prince asked permission to use The Buzzcocks "Are Evertything" melody as the basic melody for Raspberry Beret.


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Reply #97 posted 04/02/09 10:25am

NDRU

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vinx98 said:

he still needs permission whether its the whole song or part of the song. if someone sampled a riff from kiss and raspberry beret, they would still have to ask prince (or whoever owned the license to those songs). the person in question would have to be at least credited and they could sue for recompense or have an agreement on licensing.


I wonder if Prince asked permission to use The Buzzcocks "Are Evertything" melody as the basic melody for Raspberry Beret.


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no more than they asked the Doors for permission to use the music from Hello, I Love You
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Reply #98 posted 04/02/09 10:31am

Spank86

While we're wondering, I wonder if prince asked Elton John's permission to use a piano in his music?
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Reply #99 posted 04/02/09 10:52am

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NDRU said:

squirrelgrease said:



I wonder if Prince asked permission to use The Buzzcocks "Are Evertything" melody as the basic melody for Raspberry Beret.


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no more than they asked the Doors for permission to use the music from Hello, I Love You



lol Ahhh... the vox.
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Reply #100 posted 04/02/09 1:29pm

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Not only does it do so, next to that it is a far rather overrated new Prince song.

The lyrics are crap: another example of Princes disability to write strong 'political' lyrics.

Next to that, his guitar-solo's are going nowhere on this track. He is overindulging himself, trying to show off, while more 'measured' guitar solo's on songs like The question of U and Dolphin are far better.
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Reply #101 posted 04/02/09 5:12pm

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squirrelgrease said:

While we are on the same subject, Prince's Purple House is eerily similar to Hendrix's Red House. Coincidence?


falloff
chill..prince doesnt like men being front row, makes it hard to sing the ballads
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Reply #102 posted 04/02/09 5:12pm

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Riverpoet31 said:

Not only does it do so, next to that it is a far rather overrated new Prince song.

The lyrics are crap: another example of Princes disability to write strong 'political' lyrics.

Next to that, his guitar-solo's are going nowhere on this track. He is overindulging himself, trying to show off, while more 'measured' guitar solo's on songs like The question of U and Dolphin are far better.


rolleyes
chill..prince doesnt like men being front row, makes it hard to sing the ballads
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Reply #103 posted 04/02/09 6:07pm

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NDRU said:

squirrelgrease said:



I wonder if Prince asked permission to use The Buzzcocks "Are Evertything" melody as the basic melody for Raspberry Beret.


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no more than they asked the Doors for permission to use the music from Hello, I Love You


excellent comeback for a smart ass remark lol
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Reply #104 posted 04/02/09 6:07pm

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why is this thread still alive?
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Reply #105 posted 04/02/09 6:17pm

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MajesticOne89 said:

squirrelgrease said:

While we are on the same subject, Prince's Purple House is eerily similar to Hendrix's Red House. Coincidence?


falloff


that is a tribute cd
if u cant tell me if Prince or Rosie did the opening scream for Gett Off, then u are not purple !!!
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Reply #106 posted 04/02/09 6:52pm

kimrachell

whofarted sounds different to me, and i'm a big hendrix fan!
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Reply #107 posted 04/02/09 11:04pm

fakir

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eek sad eek sad eek

Check This Out !!!

http://www.youtube.com/wa...5zp1zVVDAQ


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[Edited 3/29/09 9:26am]


C'mon, let's call it "inspiration"...per se wink
The Ignorant asserts,The learned doubts,The wise thinks.

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Reply #108 posted 04/03/09 12:39am

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Riverpoet31 said:

Not only does it do so, next to that it is a far rather overrated new Prince song.

The lyrics are crap: another example of Princes disability to write strong 'political' lyrics.

Next to that, his guitar-solo's are going nowhere on this track. He is overindulging himself, trying to show off, while more 'measured' guitar solo's on songs like The question of U and Dolphin are far better.


i didnt know the fact that prince couldnt write lyrics was a "disability" but maybe it is.
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Reply #109 posted 04/05/09 10:59pm

timorousme

Alright. I'm only posting this because of how absurdly sick I am of this topic.

The songs use different riffs. There is no stealing. There is no reason to credit Jimi other than maybe a "special thanks" at the end of the album credits.

To vinx98, yes, you are very correct when it comes from permission for sampling, but there is absolutely no sampling. Prince wrote this song.

Also, "Voodoo Chile" is made up from Muddy Waters songs:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...BywcdZ65Z8
http://www.youtube.com/wa...uXCjOYcKI0
http://www.youtube.com/wa...fvvCyjbTb0

The third is commonly credited to Muddy, but I couldn't find the Muddy Version. That is actually an earlier version by Hambone Willie Newbern. What? You mean "Dreamer" took a song that took three songs in which one took another song? "Rollin and Tumblin" is originally "Minglewood Blues," first recorded by Gus Cannon, which was then "Roll and Tumble Blues" by Hambone Willie Newbern, and THEN "Rollin and Tumblin" by Muddy Waters.


So you're saying the Hendrix estate should sue because of a claim that Prince did the same thing that Hendrix did with the very song in question, in which one of those songs that Hendrix used to make the aforementioned song was actually a version of another song which was a version of another song.

Done.
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Reply #110 posted 04/06/09 8:34am

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timorousme said:

Alright. I'm only posting this because of how absurdly sick I am of this topic.

The songs use different riffs. There is no stealing. There is no reason to credit Jimi other than maybe a "special thanks" at the end of the album credits.

To vinx98, yes, you are very correct when it comes from permission for sampling, but there is absolutely no sampling. Prince wrote this song.

Also, "Voodoo Chile" is made up from Muddy Waters songs:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...BywcdZ65Z8
http://www.youtube.com/wa...uXCjOYcKI0
http://www.youtube.com/wa...fvvCyjbTb0

The third is commonly credited to Muddy, but I couldn't find the Muddy Version. That is actually an earlier version by Hambone Willie Newbern. What? You mean "Dreamer" took a song that took three songs in which one took another song? "Rollin and Tumblin" is originally "Minglewood Blues," first recorded by Gus Cannon, which was then "Roll and Tumble Blues" by Hambone Willie Newbern, and THEN "Rollin and Tumblin" by Muddy Waters.


So you're saying the Hendrix estate should sue because of a claim that Prince did the same thing that Hendrix did with the very song in question, in which one of those songs that Hendrix used to make the aforementioned song was actually a version of another song which was a version of another song.

Done.
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If u are sick, go and see a doctor. What is your MAIN problem? Dont u know that Purple Rain was also stolen from Faithfully by Journey????
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if u cant tell me if Prince or Rosie did the opening scream for Gett Off, then u are not purple !!!
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Reply #111 posted 04/06/09 9:02am

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ass said:

timorousme said:

Alright. I'm only posting this because of how absurdly sick I am of this topic.

The songs use different riffs. There is no stealing. There is no reason to credit Jimi other than maybe a "special thanks" at the end of the album credits.

To vinx98, yes, you are very correct when it comes from permission for sampling, but there is absolutely no sampling. Prince wrote this song.

Also, "Voodoo Chile" is made up from Muddy Waters songs:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...BywcdZ65Z8
http://www.youtube.com/wa...uXCjOYcKI0
http://www.youtube.com/wa...fvvCyjbTb0

The third is commonly credited to Muddy, but I couldn't find the Muddy Version. That is actually an earlier version by Hambone Willie Newbern. What? You mean "Dreamer" took a song that took three songs in which one took another song? "Rollin and Tumblin" is originally "Minglewood Blues," first recorded by Gus Cannon, which was then "Roll and Tumble Blues" by Hambone Willie Newbern, and THEN "Rollin and Tumblin" by Muddy Waters.


So you're saying the Hendrix estate should sue because of a claim that Prince did the same thing that Hendrix did with the very song in question, in which one of those songs that Hendrix used to make the aforementioned song was actually a version of another song which was a version of another song.

Done.
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If u are sick, go and see a doctor. What is your MAIN problem? Dont u know that Purple Rain was also stolen from Faithfully by Journey????
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[Edited 4/6/09 8:36am]

Hahahahaha some of you are just crazy with the heat in a winter storm. If it is really stolen from Journey then why have they never taken him to court???
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Reply #112 posted 04/06/09 9:40am

ass

jimmyrogertodd said:

ass said:



If u are sick, go and see a doctor. What is your MAIN problem? Dont u know that Purple Rain was also stolen from Faithfully by Journey????
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[Edited 4/6/09 8:36am]

Hahahahaha some of you are just crazy with the heat in a winter storm. If it is really stolen from Journey then why have they never taken him to court???


Faithfully aka Purple Pain was released 1983


The similarity really comes towards the end of the song...The similarity really comes towards the end of the song...whoa whoa whoo whoa, I ONLY WANT TO SEE U IN THE FAITHFULLY!!! eek

That is be cause Prince sent Journey a letter of apology!!What a ripoff...All these years I thought the song was completely original biggrin

http://www.youtube.com/wa...re=related

http://www.youtube.com/wa...re=related
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if u cant tell me if Prince or Rosie did the opening scream for Gett Off, then u are not purple !!!
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Reply #113 posted 04/06/09 9:43am

Spank86

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timorousme said:

Alright. I'm only posting this because of how absurdly sick I am of this topic.

The songs use different riffs. There is no stealing. There is no reason to credit Jimi other than maybe a "special thanks" at the end of the album credits.

To vinx98, yes, you are very correct when it comes from permission for sampling, but there is absolutely no sampling. Prince wrote this song.

Also, "Voodoo Chile" is made up from Muddy Waters songs:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...BywcdZ65Z8
http://www.youtube.com/wa...uXCjOYcKI0
http://www.youtube.com/wa...fvvCyjbTb0

The third is commonly credited to Muddy, but I couldn't find the Muddy Version. That is actually an earlier version by Hambone Willie Newbern. What? You mean "Dreamer" took a song that took three songs in which one took another song? "Rollin and Tumblin" is originally "Minglewood Blues," first recorded by Gus Cannon, which was then "Roll and Tumble Blues" by Hambone Willie Newbern, and THEN "Rollin and Tumblin" by Muddy Waters.


So you're saying the Hendrix estate should sue because of a claim that Prince did the same thing that Hendrix did with the very song in question, in which one of those songs that Hendrix used to make the aforementioned song was actually a version of another song which was a version of another song.

Done.
[Edited 4/5/09 23:19pm]


If u are sick, go and see a doctor. What is your MAIN problem? Dont u know that Purple Rain was also stolen from Faithfully by Journey????
[Edited 4/6/09 8:36am]
[Edited 4/6/09 8:36am]


Impressive, he stole the song a couple of months after they released it and nobody knew.
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Reply #114 posted 04/06/09 9:45am

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Whoa Whoa Whoo Whoa, Whoa Whoa Whoo Whoa, I ONLY WANT TO SEE U IN THE FAITHFULLY!!!

Whoa Whoa Whoo Whoa, Whoa Whoa Whoo Whoa, I ONLY WANT TO SEE U IN THE FAITHFULLY!!!

Whoa Whoa Whoo Whoa, Whoa Whoa Whoo Whoa, I ONLY WANT TO SEE U IN THE FAITHFULLY!!!
if u cant tell me if Prince or Rosie did the opening scream for Gett Off, then u are not purple !!!
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Reply #115 posted 04/06/09 9:49am

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squirrelgrease said:


I wonder if Prince asked permission to use The Buzzcocks "Are Evertything" melody as the basic melody for Raspberry Beret.



As if Prince has ever heard a Buzzcocks song in his life.
No hard feelings.
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Reply #116 posted 04/06/09 9:51am

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Maybe it's just a "reimagining" of Voodoo Chile! LOL Could also be paying homage to the guitar genius. Who really cares. Everything is derivative or inspired by something else and "Dreamer" is an AWESOME track however you label it.

Why in the HELL do you people keep calling it Voodoo "Chile"??!!!?? It's "Child"!!! I know not all of you do, but a jarring number do. Look it up first, before you post continuous wrong, misspelled shit over and over again!!!
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Reply #117 posted 04/06/09 10:04am

rmartin70

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airbak said:

Maybe it's just a "reimagining" of Voodoo Chile! LOL Could also be paying homage to the guitar genius. Who really cares. Everything is derivative or inspired by something else and "Dreamer" is an AWESOME track however you label it.

Why in the HELL do you people keep calling it Voodoo "Chile"??!!!?? It's "Child"!!! I know not all of you do, but a jarring number do. Look it up first, before you post continuous wrong, misspelled shit over and over again!!!


The 14:59 version on Electric Ladyland is called VOODOO CHILE. The last song on the album is called VOODOO CHILD(SLIGHT RETURN)
I have always thought of Spanish Castle Magic when I here DREAMER.
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Reply #118 posted 04/06/09 10:24am

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I think it's meant as a homage. The first second I heard it I thought "Voodoo Child."

Do you really think he'd try and rip-off such a classic song so blatantly?
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Reply #119 posted 04/06/09 10:40am

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similar doesnt mean same
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