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Prince Dissed In Guardian Article Prince extended his scheduled 15 nights at the 02 arena in 2007 after selling out every show, and he arguably hasn't made a decent record in 20 years. If the back catalogue is good enough and there is sufficient intrigue surrounding the artist, people will flock to see them.
http://www.guardian.co.uk...n-o2-arena How annoying, hate reading stuff like that. | |
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Says more about the Guardian than Prince. | |
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It makes a valid point. Many people believe Prince hasn't made a good album since the mid-1990's or earlier, and yet he sells out shows based on how adored his 80's work still is. The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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Comes down to radio folks, in most folks mind, if they don't hear it on the radio it is not any good. Sad but true.... [Edited 3/5/09 11:36am] "You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013 | |
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Graycap23 said: Says more about the Guardian than Prince.
It sure does. More shit. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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damn said: Prince extended his scheduled 15 nights at the 02 arena in 2007 after selling out every show, and he arguably hasn't made a decent record in 20 years. If the back catalogue is good enough and there is sufficient intrigue surrounding the artist, people will flock to see them.
http://www.guardian.co.uk...n-o2-arena How annoying, hate reading stuff like that. Its absolutely rubbish. I hate to use to use this example, but KISS has probably never had a HIT record (minus the live ones)...but yet sells out arenas around the world. AC/DC...were never commercially successful yet they still sell out stadiums around the world. Led Zeppelin never won a Grammy, but they are living Musical Legends, yet all these groups have something in common with Prince...great showmanship, great muscianship, great performances. Nuff said! [Edited 3/5/09 11:50am] "The voter is less important than the man who provides money to the candidate," - Former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens
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They're not wrong...who do you think sold out the o2??-
People who bought the Rainbow Children??!!!! 
Prince has often sold himself (out) on playing his hits "for the last time" ( some of us remember the Nude tour.) You mighn't like what the Guardian says but at least admit it's half true..... | |
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eireboy34 said: They're not wrong...who do you think sold out the o2??-
People who bought the Rainbow Children??!!!!
Prince has often sold himself (out) on playing his hits "for the last time" ( some of us remember the Nude tour.) You mighn't like what the Guardian says but at least admit it's half true..... Exactly. The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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I dont' see this as a diss. Listen to some people on the Org, you would think Prince is washed up and his career is doomed, and yet he keeps on going, attracting people to his shows which continues to be lucrative for him. If its because of his previous work then so be it. Ofcourse I disagree since I enjoy some of his current work but this just my opinion. | |
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PurpleKnight said: It makes a valid point. Many people believe Prince hasn't made a good album since the mid-1990's or earlier, and yet he sells out shows based on how adored his 80's work still is.
There's no valid point with that P.K.....You want to say the man has made some shit albums after his '80s prime?....Yeah, that's true...No doubt... Or you want to say he hasn't made a "great" album in 20 years, I can go with that as well...In fact, I've said in the past that he hasn't truly made a "GREAT" work in 20 years and got shitted on by some of the Org faithful... But no good albums in 20 years?... Nah, that's kinda bullshit...lol It's okay to be a realest on these boards and state the truth amongst fans who think that Mr. Nelson is a God and can turn the sky Purple with a snap...I catch some snipes for being truthful about the man's flaws as well... But sometimes folks try a little too hard to be Org rebels...lol | |
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Well, for what it's worth, this is the same newspaper that said the following about 3121 (which they actually gave a mostly positive review):
"This album lacks the jolt to the ears that younger rivals like Pharrell, Kanye West or Timbaland now provide." So take the he "hasn't made a good album since the mid-1990's" with a grain of salt, people. "I Was FINE Back in the Day!" | |
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I don't see anything wrong in the statement:
"he arguably hasn't made a decent record in 20 years" What amounts to a 'decent record' depends upon the subject's point of view, so anyone can argue in that way. Others will equally argue the contrary as many are doing here. . [Edited 3/5/09 12:05pm] ALT+PLS+RTN: Pure as a pane of ice. It's a gift. |
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Whatever the case may be, he still sold out each and every show.
With the right PR team, Prince could STILL be able to sell out each concert performance no matter where he goes. KEY factor~ we gotta know in advance (at least 2-3 days) where you will be performing so we have enough time to buy the tix and get there!!! I know, thats alot to ask for [Edited 3/5/09 12:15pm] Say it's just a dream...
U open up ur eyes and come 2 realize u simply imagined this So u lean over and give her a kiss Here on earth, here on earth, with u it's not so bad Here on earth, here on earth eye don't feel so sad Stay right here | |
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damn said: How annoying, hate reading stuff like that.
Well, it's true isn't it? He didn't have sell out shows because people wanted to hear him play 'Face Down' or 'She Loves Me 4 Me' - they went to hear 'Purple Rain' and 'Kiss'. Graycap23 said: Says more about the Guardian than Prince.
Not really, it says something about the writer of the piece, not the whole newspaper in general. | |
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When I went to see prince for the first time at the 02 I did't know all of his hits just some of them, It did'nt bother me that I did not know half the songs he sang, I thought he was amazing and could'nt get my hands on enough tickets to go and see him again. I saw about 15 shows altogether including aftershows and have been hooked on his music ever since I love all the old and new music.
When I go to his next concert it will be because I want to see this great showman live, It would not bother me one bit if he never plays his hits again, all his music is amazing. | |
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In fairness it does negate the fact that he is widely regarded as one of the greatest live performers in popular music. [Edited 3/5/09 15:30pm] | |
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murph said: But sometimes folks try a little too hard to be Org rebels...lol And there's the truth!!!! | |
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damn said: Prince extended his scheduled 15 nights at the 02 arena in 2007 after selling out every show, and he arguably hasn't made a decent record in 20 years. If the back catalogue is good enough and there is sufficient intrigue surrounding the artist, people will flock to see them.
http://www.guardian.co.uk...n-o2-arena How annoying, hate reading stuff like that.  Smurf theme song-seriously how many fucking "La Las" can u fit into a dam song 
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murph said: PurpleKnight said: It makes a valid point. Many people believe Prince hasn't made a good album since the mid-1990's or earlier, and yet he sells out shows based on how adored his 80's work still is.
There's no valid point with that P.K.....You want to say the man has made some shit albums after his '80s prime?....Yeah, that's true...No doubt... Or you want to say he hasn't made a "great" album in 20 years, I can go with that as well...In fact, I've said in the past that he hasn't truly made a "GREAT" work in 20 years and got shitted on by some of the Org faithful... But no good albums in 20 years?... Nah, that's kinda bullshit...lol It's okay to be a realest on these boards and state the truth amongst fans who think that Mr. Nelson is a God and can turn the sky Purple with a snap...I catch some snipes for being truthful about the man's flaws as well... But sometimes folks try a little too hard to be Org rebels...lol Exactly. And to dismiss his art so flippantly is wrong. You take the best of his material over the last 20 years and you will not find an artist who compares. Prince's work may be dissected to death on this site but the weakest of his stuff is better than the majority of the artists the media triumphs and flames out on. Name me an artist who has had stronger material in the last twenty years. | |
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To me, the point is that most people actually don't know that Prince still makes new music. Musicology is the one exception. To blame Prince is way too easy. You got to blame age discrimination in the music industry to some extent. Also, blame an aging audience; many of whom don't listen to new music of any type. | |
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langebleu said: I don't see anything wrong in the statement:
"he arguably hasn't made a decent record in 20 years" What amounts to a 'decent record' depends upon the subject's point of view, so anyone can argue in that way. Others will equally argue the contrary as many are doing here. . [Edited 3/5/09 12:05pm] I was gonna say the same thing, the inclusion of the word 'arguably' means that this writer is commenting on the wider consensus, it might not be her opinion. Understandably some people are gonna hate her for that. In response to NouveauDance, I think Prince would sell out if he did Face Down, unchanged  | |
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murph said: PurpleKnight said: It makes a valid point. Many people believe Prince hasn't made a good album since the mid-1990's or earlier, and yet he sells out shows based on how adored his 80's work still is.
There's no valid point with that P.K.....You want to say the man has made some shit albums after his '80s prime?....Yeah, that's true...No doubt... Or you want to say he hasn't made a "great" album in 20 years, I can go with that as well...In fact, I've said in the past that he hasn't truly made a "GREAT" work in 20 years and got shitted on by some of the Org faithful... But no good albums in 20 years?... Nah, that's kinda bullshit...lol It's okay to be a realest on these boards and state the truth amongst fans who think that Mr. Nelson is a God and can turn the sky Purple with a snap...I catch some snipes for being truthful about the man's flaws as well... But sometimes folks try a little too hard to be Org rebels...lol No, the problem is that you have poor reading comprehension. The author makes it very clear that Prince having gone twenty years without making a good album is "arguable." The writer is expressing his opinion while acknowledging the subjectivity of what constitutes a decent album. His argument is valid because it's completely true that people go to see Prince perform his most popular songs from the 80's. For the record, my assessment of his argument has nothing to do with my personal opinion of Prince's music. I mean, I love many albums from the last twenty years of Prince's career. [Edited 3/5/09 16:31pm] The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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PurpleKnight said: murph said: There's no valid point with that P.K.....You want to say the man has made some shit albums after his '80s prime?....Yeah, that's true...No doubt... Or you want to say he hasn't made a "great" album in 20 years, I can go with that as well...In fact, I've said in the past that he hasn't truly made a "GREAT" work in 20 years and got shitted on by some of the Org faithful... But no good albums in 20 years?... Nah, that's kinda bullshit...lol It's okay to be a realest on these boards and state the truth amongst fans who think that Mr. Nelson is a God and can turn the sky Purple with a snap...I catch some snipes for being truthful about the man's flaws as well... But sometimes folks try a little too hard to be Org rebels...lol No, the problem is that you have poor reading comprehension. The author makes it very clear that Prince having gone twenty years without making a good album is "arguable." The writer is expressing his opinion while acknowledging the subjectivity of what constitutes a decent album. His argument is valid because it's completely true that people go to see Prince perform his most popular songs from the 80's. For the record, my assessment of his argument has nothing to do with my personal opinion of Prince's music. I mean, I love many albums from the last twenty years of Prince's career. [Edited 3/5/09 16:31pm] Oh please, you know what the inference was. Anything is "arguable." It's a safe way of getting his opinion out without actually taking a stand. It's also lazy journalism. | |
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jdcxc said: PurpleKnight said: No, the problem is that you have poor reading comprehension. The author makes it very clear that Prince having gone twenty years without making a good album is "arguable." The writer is expressing his opinion while acknowledging the subjectivity of what constitutes a decent album. His argument is valid because it's completely true that people go to see Prince perform his most popular songs from the 80's. For the record, my assessment of his argument has nothing to do with my personal opinion of Prince's music. I mean, I love many albums from the last twenty years of Prince's career. [Edited 3/5/09 16:31pm] Oh please, you know what the inference was. Anything is "arguable." It's a safe way of getting his opinion out without actually taking a stand. It's also lazy journalism. He doesn't personally like Prince's albums of the last twenty years, and many other people obviously feel the same way. I still don't see the problem here. It's not like he wrote that Prince is an asshole. Also, not everything can be argued with any integrity. Although I disagree with the claim that Prince hasn't made a good album in twenty years, it can be argued. The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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PurpleKnight said: jdcxc said: Oh please, you know what the inference was. Anything is "arguable." It's a safe way of getting his opinion out without actually taking a stand. It's also lazy journalism. He doesn't personally like Prince's albums of the last twenty years, and many other people obviously feel the same way. I still don't see the problem here. It's not like he wrote that Prince is an asshole. Also, not everything can be argued with any integrity. Although I disagree with the claim that Prince hasn't made a good album in twenty years, it can be argued. Not with integrity. It's interesting how journalists don't make those quips about Bruce Springsteen, U2, and Dylan and the simple sameness they put out. Everyone acknowledges that P is a genius but he doesn't get the respect and introspective complex musical analysis he deserves. I know, I know, it was just an article but it pisses me off when his art is treated with disrespect. It's ok here on the org to dissect his misses but some writer who hasn't listened to a Prince record since PR has no right. | |
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jdcxc said: Exactly.And to dismiss his art so flippantly is wrong. You take the best of his material over the last 20 years and you will not find an artist who compares. Name me an artist who has had stronger material in the last twenty years.
With all due respect....Now this^^^^I don't agree with...It was never my intention to say anything like that... What I meant was this: making extremist statements concerning Prince's music is shakey either way... The Guardian was lazy for saying that Prince has not released a "good" album in 20 years.....albums like the Batman Soundtrack, The Gold Experience, The Truth (close to great), Emancipation and The Rainbow Children were "good" releases...Again, these albums were not GREAT...But they were def. good... But I'm not going to go too far to say that no other artist compares to Prince's best work over the last 20 years...Because that's simply not the case... | |
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PurpleKnight said: He doesn't personally like Prince's albums of the last twenty years, and many other people obviously feel the same way. I still don't see the problem here. It's not like he wrote that Prince is an asshole.
The problem: it is indeed a lazy statement... Do you actually agree that Prince has not released a "good" album since 1989?....As I pointed out previously, I have no problem with being honest about Prince's work...I can say with all honesty that Prince has not released a GREAT album in 20 years...I can say that over the last decade, Prince's "greatness" has been seen on the concert stage and not on his recordings... The problem with the Guardian's one-liner is that it seemed like a drive-by just to be cute... A better statement that could have been made?: "Prince has not released a "good-great" album in 10 years"....But the problem with that statement is it's not shocking enough...It's not ballsy enough...It doesn't make a "statement" in the context of a Michael Jackson comeback (ie--Mike hasn't released a great album in 20 years...but he can make a comeback performing at the 02 because Prince, who also hasn't made any good albums in 20 years, was able to do it...) As a journalist myself, that shit is truly lazy...It's the easy way out... [Edited 3/5/09 18:59pm] | |
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Is the Guardian always right or always wrong in their conclusion of what's "good" or not? I swear the words "HATER" is wayyy over-rated...smh | |
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murph said: jdcxc said: Exactly.And to dismiss his art so flippantly is wrong. You take the best of his material over the last 20 years and you will not find an artist who compares. Name me an artist who has had stronger material in the last twenty years.
With all due respect....Now this^^^^I don't agree with...It was never my intention to say anything like that... What I meant was this: making extremist statements concerning Prince's music is shakey either way... The Guardian was lazy for saying that Prince has not released a "good" album in 20 years.....albums like the Batman Soundtrack, The Gold Experience, The Truth (close to great), Emancipation and The Rainbow Children were "good" releases...Again, these albums were not GREAT...But they were def. good... But I'm not going to go too far to say that no other artist compares to Prince's best work over the last 20 years...Because that's simply not the case... Alright, give me an artist who has had the same wealth of material and musical highpoints over the last twenty years. It's not that easy. | |
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