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Reply #60 posted 11/17/08 7:44pm

pplrain

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kjamal said:

Haystack said:

Just search for 'Prince Anti Gay' on google and see the results.

He'd better do something soon about this. I so want this to be bullshit.


I love this description of Prince by the writer:

Prince padded into the kitchen, a small fifty-year-old man in yoga pants and a big sweater, wearing platform flip-flops over white socks, like a geisha. falloff

and yes there are a ton of sites reporting this, i see a backlash coming!!


When I saw Prince in concert (at very close proximity) I thought he was dressed OK (knit slacks, turtle neck and flip-flops/socks). Did not really strike me as coquettish or anything like that. He didn't really have an attitude. He was infact quite happy, smiling and lots of eye contact. His makeup was just right not over the top, not like 21 nights book. I don't understand why these journalists are so focussed on his makeup and clothes rather than his music. What am I missing? confuse
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Reply #61 posted 11/17/08 7:44pm

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Madison88 said:

he puts out that Turn me Loose song.... then retracts it.... now he's all up about gayness..... ummmm Prince who's driving the car????? or are you just hanging out in the back of the limo counting your money.... and just talking a bunch of (excuse me) crap... you are messing with people's lives... and most of all the people that care for you the most and have followed you and payed the ticket prices for years.....I've just been around for a few years.....You remind me of someone else I know that just is terrified of being loved...you put up more road blocks than anyone I've seen or heard of.....maybe you resent that we love you and you don't think you are lovable.....Mayte said on camera she called you "Hey You!".....now that's intimacy.....I guess that's how you love a symbol.....


"Hey You," is boring...I'm gonna call Prince...SexyDaddySugarDumplin'HoneyBabyRockin'loverJazzySnazz." cool


Are you a JW Tame..... and what if I'm gay.... what would you call me????
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Reply #62 posted 11/17/08 7:54pm

Colyr

Prince never said “God came to earth and saw people sticking it wherever and doing it with whatever and he just cleared it it out. He was like “enough”.

Pretty much what happened pre-flood. Evil abounded and God repented making man. Journalism has died. They have no idea that when they "misquote" someone it is the same a lying. Don't let it upset you, there is a reason God said vengeance is mine, they will pay the price.
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Reply #63 posted 11/17/08 8:02pm

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Anxiety said:

EmeraldSkies said:

I was just Googling about this,and found a site called gaywired.com,and they had a article with this statement.




i think perez is getting the info second hand from the funkenberry site, which i guess means gaywired is getting the info third hand from perez. lol


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Reply #64 posted 11/17/08 8:02pm

Madison88

As Prince will pay the price for not honoring a contract he signed.... and on and on.... not exactly a man of his word.... so why not believe that he's capable of retracting a statement he said? He's been erasing things left and right.... why not erase what he just said....wow talk about making your own reality....not good!
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Reply #65 posted 11/17/08 8:04pm

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Word is spreading and the backlash isn't pretty! That probably explains the back peddling. It's really too bad that I don't care enough anymore to stand up for the guy but oh well, he brought that on himself! shrug

http://www.huffingtonpost...44338.html
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Reply #66 posted 11/17/08 8:11pm

Madison88

When I went to a JW meeting and meet with some ladies for a bit to learn what I could... one of the main points they kept making was that JW's don't proselytize. Prince states that's what he does.....????? It just gets more and more strange.....
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Reply #67 posted 11/17/08 8:14pm

Colyr

Madison88 said:

When I went to a JW meeting and meet with some ladies for a bit to learn what I could... one of the main points they kept making was that JW's don't proselytize. Prince states that's what he does.....????? It just gets more and more strange.....



Yes they do. That is one of the main doctrines of the religion. Spread the word, knock on as many doors as you can.
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Reply #68 posted 11/17/08 8:14pm

Sdldawn

that God quote sounded like would say that... mis quote.. there's no proof
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Reply #69 posted 11/17/08 8:36pm

violetblues

I have some friends who are jw's. they are very cool, and classy about their beliefs,very respectfull. Prince is a JW Troll
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Reply #70 posted 11/17/08 8:42pm

Madison88

Colyr said:

Madison88 said:

When I went to a JW meeting and meet with some ladies for a bit to learn what I could... one of the main points they kept making was that JW's don't proselytize. Prince states that's what he does.....????? It just gets more and more strange.....



Yes they do. That is one of the main doctrines of the religion. Spread the word, knock on as many doors as you can.


The ladies I met with in LA said that they are far from doing that much anymore because of they way things are now.....I was contacted by a letter...I thought that was a much better way of approaching things... it still took me a year to take the time to call...once I heard that Prince was in some way practicing their religion I got interested because I was very very impressed with the Musicology tour.....and how his career seemed to rebound... ...the ladies truly said the door to door method was outdated and not appropriate anymore.... there were letters flyers and emails and such... maybe they lie to you... I don't know I only know what I was told....

think about it.... it's very very dangerous these days to be knocking on peoples doors... not to mention for Prince... It just doesn't make any sense.....
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Reply #71 posted 11/17/08 8:58pm

HatrinaHaterwi
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Madison88 said:

Colyr said:




Yes they do. That is one of the main doctrines of the religion. Spread the word, knock on as many doors as you can.


The ladies I met with in LA said that they are far from doing that much anymore because of they way things are now.....I was contacted by a letter...I thought that was a much better way of approaching things... it still took me a year to take the time to call...once I heard that Prince was in some way practicing their religion I got interested because I was very very impressed with the Musicology tour.....and how his career seemed to rebound... ...the ladies truly said the door to door method was outdated and not appropriate anymore.... there were letters flyers and emails and such... maybe they lie to you... I don't know I only know what I was told....

think about it.... it's very very dangerous these days to be knocking on peoples doors... not to mention for Prince... It just doesn't make any sense.....
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Then somebody needs to spread the word because I had JW's at my door just this past weekend.
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Reply #72 posted 11/17/08 9:15pm

SynthiaRose

Am I late or did you guys know that the .Org got a shout out in the Minneapolis Tribune for claiming misquotes ... and said article links back to this place. Great. Visitors.

If others are clueless like me, here it is (site mentioned at bottom):

http://www.startribune.co...P3UiacyKUU

Prince's riff on gay marriage rocks the world

Citing the Bible and tapping it as well, the rock star talked with the New Yorker about being a Jehovah's Witness, sex and life among the red and blue.

By CHRIS RIEMENSCHNEIDER, Star Tribune

Last update: November 17, 2008 - 9:29 PM


Call it a sign o' the times or just another miscalculated controversy, but Prince is strumming up headlines again -- this time for allegedly speaking out against the sexual freedoms he used to champion.

In an interview with the New Yorker magazine that reflects on his continuing life as a Jehovah's Witness, Minneapolis' most famous (and famously scandal-prone) musical son reportedly tapped on a Bible as he said, "God came to Earth and saw people sticking it wherever and doing it with whatever, and he just cleared it all out. He was, like, 'Enough.'"

The interview was conducted at Prince's new mansion in Beverly Hills, Calif., where gay marriage has been an omnipresent topic surrounding the newly passed Proposition 8 ban. Prince has maintained a Los Angeles-area residence for decades and has mostly lived there full time since his divorce in 2006.

"So here's how it is: You've got the Republicans, and basically they want to live according to [the Bible]," the article quotes him as saying. "But there's the problem of interpretation, and you've got some churches, some people, basically doing things and saying it comes from here, but it doesn't. And then on the opposite end of the spectrum you've got blue, you've got the Democrats, and they're, like, 'You can do whatever you want.' Gay marriage, whatever. But neither of them is right."

Like a lot of the singer's controversies, this one was greeted with curiosity or disdain but not exactly shock by fans and industry watchers. On the fan message board Prince.org, reactions ranged from dismay to denouncement to arguments that the singer was misquoted.

Popular blog sites such as Perez Hilton (whose namesake author is gay) and the Huffington Post followed up initial, outraged reports on the article by citing "a Prince insider" who denounced the story, accusing the reporter of not using a tape recorder. The singer, however, has disallowed recorders in interviews for decades. No official statement from Prince about the article has been offered.

Minneapolis DJ/rapper Tori Fixx, an openly gay performer hired by Prince for parties at his now-shuttered Paisley Park studios in Chanhassen, did not doubt the validity of the interview.

"Prince, of all people, knows not to comment to the press if it's something he really doesn't want to talk about," Fixx said, calling the comments "a slap in the face."

"He would know as well as anybody that probably half his audience is gay/lesbian people, which comes from years of playing with androgyny and stereotypes. He sure had no trouble making money off those people all those years."

Chris Riemenschneider • 612-673-4658
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Reply #73 posted 11/17/08 9:28pm

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Anxiety said:




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omg michael was so hot back then
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Reply #74 posted 11/17/08 11:17pm

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omg, i totally forgot all about Prince until i read this news story!
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Reply #75 posted 11/18/08 1:20am

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Anxiety said:



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"We've never been able to pull off a funk number"

"That's becuase we're soulless auttomatons"
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Reply #76 posted 11/18/08 1:37am

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My guess: the quote is probably more or less accurate (no tape recorders, so obviously there could be slight alterations due to subjective recall) but is very likely placed out of context. The reporter sounds reliable and she's (he?) writing for the New Yorker which is one of the most reputable fact-checking rags around.
I imagine that, as she said, they had a longer conversation and that P probably also talked about tolerance and love but also mentioned that he lives by the bible which is clearly opposed to homosexuality. That wouldn't IMO make him "anti-gay" or homophobic, but it does make him careless and stupid in thinking that the reporter wouldn't quote him on it.

I actually hold a similar position itself - I respect other people's belief systems and behavior as long as it doesn't harm others. I myself try to follow Jewish law which includes the proscription of homosexual sex (although there are some interesting new interpretations...). I don't think that a personal belief that a kind of behavior is forbidden requires intolerance or hate towards those who practice it.

I'm not trying to be apologist for P here - with his careless mouth and insensitive comments, he could well have said something offensive. Even his antisemitic implications on TRC (which I see as inexcusable) I think are more related to insensitivity, confusion and a lack of clarity than hate (see e.g. the King quote at the end of Family Name)

OK - that's a bit more than 2cents...
"We've never been able to pull off a funk number"

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Reply #77 posted 11/18/08 2:25am

viewaskew

FUCK LARRY GRAHAM & PRINCE UP THEIR STUPID, BACKWARD, BIGOTED ASSHOLES. And yeah, "FUCK THEM" in the gay way. It's 2008, Prince, time to see the world for what it is: as diverse as it is. As accepting as it should be. You just have to pull your head out of your ass first.
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Reply #78 posted 11/18/08 2:35am

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viewaskew said:

FUCK LARRY GRAHAM & PRINCE UP THEIR STUPID, BACKWARD, BIGOTED ASSHOLES. And yeah, "FUCK THEM" in the gay way. It's 2008, Prince, time to see the world for what it is: as diverse as it is. As accepting as it should be. You just have to pull your head out of your ass first.


he doesnt really believe in any of that stuff

nor does he live a Jehovah's Witness lifestyle.

its just something he hides behind to make himself look righteous

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Reply #79 posted 11/18/08 2:51am

CrozzaUK

wasitgood4u said:

My guess: the quote is probably more or less accurate (no tape recorders, so obviously there could be slight alterations due to subjective recall) but is very likely placed out of context. The reporter sounds reliable and she's (he?) writing for the New Yorker which is one of the most reputable fact-checking rags around.
I imagine that, as she said, they had a longer conversation and that P probably also talked about tolerance and love but also mentioned that he lives by the bible which is clearly opposed to homosexuality. That wouldn't IMO make him "anti-gay" or homophobic, but it does make him careless and stupid in thinking that the reporter wouldn't quote him on it.

I actually hold a similar position itself - I respect other people's belief systems and behavior as long as it doesn't harm others. I myself try to follow Jewish law which includes the proscription of homosexual sex (although there are some interesting new interpretations...). I don't think that a personal belief that a kind of behavior is forbidden requires intolerance or hate towards those who practice it.

I'm not trying to be apologist for P here - with his careless mouth and insensitive comments, he could well have said something offensive. Even his antisemitic implications on TRC (which I see as inexcusable) I think are more related to insensitivity, confusion and a lack of clarity than hate (see e.g. the King quote at the end of Family Name)

OK - that's a bit more than 2cents...


This is a good point. No one should expect everyone to subscribe exactly to their beliefs - and having respect for others right to hold different beliefs is of the upmost importance - there is a fine line however, between freedom of speech and hate speech. When he is well aware he has many homosexual fans (myself included), not to mention some of his best friends / collaborators, these kind of comments do seem lacking in judgement and sensitivity.

If you look back its always been a major problem of prince's - to give clarity to his beliefs and opinions. He talks alot through his work and in concerts, most of it with heavily religious overtones - but a lot of it is cryptic. While i dont doubt the mans intelligence - i think he has a major problem communicating outside of his music. I will only believe this is a misqoute when Prince himself gives a statement to the contrary.

His "whatever floats the boat" comment is one i always come back to thinking about whenever I hear these kind of stories. I do believe his comments dont come out of hate - but simply out of his insistence to never give a clear cut answer to anything....ever.
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Reply #80 posted 11/18/08 2:54am

CrozzaUK

union119 said:

viewaskew said:

FUCK LARRY GRAHAM & PRINCE UP THEIR STUPID, BACKWARD, BIGOTED ASSHOLES. And yeah, "FUCK THEM" in the gay way. It's 2008, Prince, time to see the world for what it is: as diverse as it is. As accepting as it should be. You just have to pull your head out of your ass first.


he doesnt really believe in any of that stuff

nor does he live a Jehovah's Witness lifestyle.

its just something he hides behind to make himself look righteous

wink


I truly believe this is a possibility. In the same way that Madonna has adopted and pushes the teaching of the kabbalah - i believe they both feel it gives them a sense of higher being-ness. Both have scaled the heights of success, fame, wealth and realise they needed something more. I dont think they're completely insincere about spreading the word, but i think righteousness plays a part too.
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Reply #81 posted 11/18/08 2:54am

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LizaWoman08 said:

Anxiety said:




falloff

omg michael was so hot back then

Yes he was. lol
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Reply #82 posted 11/18/08 2:59am

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I am wondering if this allegedly misquoted quote would now put an end to Imaho and Supa's "Prince is gay" rumour threads. hmmm
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Reply #83 posted 11/18/08 3:44am

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pplrain said:

I am wondering if this allegedly misquoted quote would now put an end to Imaho and Supa's "Prince is gay" rumour threads. hmmm
[Edited 11/18/08 3:00am]


Doubt it - more ammo, actually imho
"We've never been able to pull off a funk number"

"That's becuase we're soulless auttomatons"
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Reply #84 posted 11/18/08 4:31am

union119

Prince: "i opened my jughead mouth without thinking first.

i'll blame them instead and say they misquoted me."


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Reply #85 posted 11/18/08 4:52am

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HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Word is spreading and the backlash isn't pretty! That probably explains the back peddling. It's really too bad that I don't care enough anymore to stand up for the guy but oh well, he brought that on himself! shrug

http://www.huffingtonpost...44338.html
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"When asked about his perspective on social issues--gay marriage, abortion--Prince tapped his Bible and said, "God came to earth and saw people sticking it wherever and doing it with whatever, and he just cleared it all out. He was, like, 'Enough.' ""


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Reply #86 posted 11/18/08 4:55am

Dayclear

What?! rolleyes
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Reply #87 posted 11/18/08 8:11am

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Anxiety said:



lol
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Reply #88 posted 11/18/08 8:56am

MIGUELGOMEZ

Until PRINCE goes on nationwide television live and says what he meant, then I don't really believe in any of it.
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Reply #89 posted 11/18/08 9:09am

Tremolina

This is why Prince doesn't use tape recorders.

Then he can always claim that he was misquoted when he reads the piece and realises it is going to cost him dearly.

Money Princey, you will need it, for your law suits.
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