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Thread started 07/27/08 11:45am

mikeyguk

Possessed Biography

Hey, has any1 read 'Possessed: The Rise and Fall of Prince' by Alex Hahn? I'm halfway through. If so, what are your views and how accurate are the stories? Thanks.
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Reply #1 posted 07/27/08 2:08pm

NouveauDance

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Good luck with this thread. lol
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Reply #2 posted 07/27/08 2:18pm

obsessed

I've read it, but that's all I'm gonna say lol
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Reply #3 posted 07/27/08 2:26pm

dyami12

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eye read it..it definately shows a much darker side 2him..
..In her chills, I'll force a burst..Erotic thrills, so good, it hurts..My motions 2 her velvet, she'll strike it as love..Rain from her pelvis..ended with doves..
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Reply #4 posted 07/27/08 10:51pm

toots

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I have it, read it, and done with it that is all I gotta say.

maybe you should of done a search on the book here on the site (since its been done quite a few times).
Here is a few to get you started:
http://prince.org/msg/7/263768?&pg=7
http://prince.org/msg/7/172106
[Edited 7/28/08 12:50pm]
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Reply #5 posted 07/28/08 2:07am

prb

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read it. i learnt a lot of things i didnt know b4. kind of sad in a way. sad
seems that i was busy doing something close to nothing, but different than the day before music beret
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Reply #6 posted 07/28/08 2:18am

eireboy34

I read and liked it!!! I think all geniuses have a dark/mad side...nothing really surprised me...

And, really, who knows if all is totally true....

I say stick SOTT on the DVD player or give Emancipation another chance and see what we really like about Prince
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Reply #7 posted 07/28/08 2:23am

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It's utter garbage, obviously with an axe to grind, Poplife and DMSR are far superior. I've said before, even the teen paperbooks I read when I was a kid were better at giving an accurate view of the man. Bear in mind the guy had legal problems with Prince.
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Reply #8 posted 07/28/08 4:48am

Tame

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I wouldn't read it unless Prince gave me a copy and told me too. cool
"The Lion Sleeps Tonight...
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Reply #9 posted 07/28/08 4:49am

Dayclear

It's okay. No better or worst than the rest of them.
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Reply #10 posted 07/28/08 9:40am

LinnLM1

mozfonky said:

It's utter garbage, obviously with an axe to grind, Poplife and DMSR are far superior. I've said before, even the teen paperbooks I read when I was a kid were better at giving an accurate view of the man. Bear in mind the guy had legal problems with Prince.


I don't know how you can say that when he has a ton of direct quotes from people close to the situation like Alan Leeds, Krattinger, Susan Rogers, Dr. Fink, Bobby Z., Tommy Barbarella, Marilyn Badeaux, etc. The quotes about Prince from those people alone tell a helluva lot. His "legal problems with Prince" are that he is an attorney and he represented a fansite Prince had shut down. As a longtime, obsessed fan I can tell you that he got things very right about the early years (78-88).
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Reply #11 posted 07/28/08 9:55am

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LinnLM1 said:

mozfonky said:

It's utter garbage, obviously with an axe to grind, Poplife and DMSR are far superior. I've said before, even the teen paperbooks I read when I was a kid were better at giving an accurate view of the man. Bear in mind the guy had legal problems with Prince.


I don't know how you can say that when he has a ton of direct quotes from people close to the situation like Alan Leeds, Krattinger, Susan Rogers, Dr. Fink, Bobby Z., Tommy Barbarella, Marilyn Badeaux, etc. The quotes about Prince from those people alone tell a helluva lot. His "legal problems with Prince" are that he is an attorney and he represented a fansite Prince had shut down. As a longtime, obsessed fan I can tell you that he got things very right about the early years (78-88).


He got a lot of things wrong too, look it up on here and read about the mistakes he made in this book, he couldn't even fix his typos that's all I need to see to realize this book was not undertaken very professionally. He also mixed up names and had other mistakes. If people took the ten worst things most people did and put them in a book we'd all come off looking like jackasses, I know I would. Anyway, I'm a long time Prince follower too, I know he's not perfect, I know he's a control freak, I know he manipulates people, nothing new in this book.
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Reply #12 posted 07/28/08 11:44am

NouveauDance

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mozfonky said:

It's utter garbage, obviously with an axe to grind, Poplife and DMSR are far superior. I've said before, even the teen paperbooks I read when I was a kid were better at giving an accurate view of the man. Bear in mind the guy had legal problems with Prince.

He was the lawyer for Uptown (as in Uptown, part of whom is Per Nilsen who wrote DMSR).

It's been said a million times before, but Hahn had access to Uptowns research for their own books, and even Alan Leeds has stated the book is pretty accurate.
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Reply #13 posted 07/28/08 11:49am

Handel

NouveauDance said:

It's been said a million times before, but Hahn had access to Uptowns research for their own books, and even Alan Leeds has stated the book is pretty accurate.


Leeds has shifted his tone slightly since the publication of this book, though. As for Hahn he can't write for toffee and the whole thing reads like a hatchet job from a disgruntled fan, which is what he is
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Reply #14 posted 07/28/08 12:35pm

Jeffiner

I started a thread on this a while back...you might find it interesting! biggrin

http://prince.org/msg/7/263768?&pg=1
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Reply #15 posted 07/28/08 12:36pm

Jeffiner

toots said:

I have it, read it, and done with it that is all I gotta say.

maybe you should of done a search on the book here on the site (sine its been done quite a few times. Here is a few to get you started:
http://prince.org/msg/7/263768?&pg=7
http://prince.org/msg/7/172106
[Edited 7/27/08 23:00pm]


Oh sorry toots, just realised you've already posted it! thumbs up!
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Reply #16 posted 07/28/08 12:50pm

toots

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Jeffiner said:

toots said:

I have it, read it, and done with it that is all I gotta say.

maybe you should of done a search on the book here on the site (sine its been done quite a few times. Here is a few to get you started:
http://prince.org/msg/7/263768?&pg=7
http://prince.org/msg/7/172106
[Edited 7/27/08 23:00pm]


Oh sorry toots, just realised you've already posted it! thumbs up!

its okay there are several threads like it thumbs up!
Smurf theme song-seriously how many fucking "La Las" can u fit into a dam song wall
Proud Wendy and Lisa Fancy Lesbian asskisser thumbs up!
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Reply #17 posted 07/28/08 8:16pm

obsessed

toots said:

I have it, read it, and done with it that is all I gotta say.

maybe you should of done a search on the book here on the site (since its been done quite a few times).
Here is a few to get you started:
http://prince.org/msg/7/263768?&pg=7
http://prince.org/msg/7/172106
[Edited 7/28/08 12:50pm]


I'll be very honest here toots, but I've never been able to work
the "Search" in this place.....so what did you "plug in" to find
these threads, or did you just happen to know they already existed
and had them saved?
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Reply #18 posted 07/28/08 8:17pm

obsessed

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read it. i learnt a lot of things i didnt know b4. kind of sad in a way. sad


I know what you're saying...it may be true, or it may not.
That's for the reader to decide.
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Reply #19 posted 07/29/08 11:42am

toots

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obsessed said:

toots said:

I have it, read it, and done with it that is all I gotta say.

maybe you should of done a search on the book here on the site (since its been done quite a few times).
Here is a few to get you started:
http://prince.org/msg/7/263768?&pg=7
http://prince.org/msg/7/172106
[Edited 7/28/08 12:50pm]


I'll be very honest here toots, but I've never been able to work
the "Search" in this place.....so what did you "plug in" to find
these threads, or did you just happen to know they already existed
and had them saved?
I didnt have to plug in into anything I remember the topic from awhile back and I responded to it plus other orgers over time have made similar threads.All I typed in was "Possesed by Alax Hahn" in the search bar located above and it brings up what it finds. Took me awhile to get the hang of it too
Smurf theme song-seriously how many fucking "La Las" can u fit into a dam song wall
Proud Wendy and Lisa Fancy Lesbian asskisser thumbs up!
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Reply #20 posted 07/29/08 1:32pm

NouveauDance

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Handel said:

NouveauDance said:

It's been said a million times before, but Hahn had access to Uptowns research for their own books, and even Alan Leeds has stated the book is pretty accurate.


Leeds has shifted his tone slightly since the publication of this book, though. As for Hahn he can't write for toffee and the whole thing reads like a hatchet job from a disgruntled fan, which is what he is

There are quite a few glaring errors, yeah.

I wonder if he made any money off it. He posted here a few times too.
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Reply #21 posted 07/29/08 2:03pm

LinnLM1

NouveauDance said:

Handel said:



Leeds has shifted his tone slightly since the publication of this book, though. As for Hahn he can't write for toffee and the whole thing reads like a hatchet job from a disgruntled fan, which is what he is


There are quite a few glaring errors, yeah.

I wonder if he made any money off it. He posted here a few times too.


What are the glaring errors?
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Reply #22 posted 07/29/08 4:49pm

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^^
yes please tell me what errors.

I've actually read this one and found it informative.but what do i know

havent read POPLIFE or DMSR because I never knew how to get my hands on them
but i would be interested in knowing what the differences in them were


and i do agree this book seems to focus on more negatives than positives.
i mean its split into a RISE/FALL so it naturally ends in "the fall"
but aside from that the "rise" portion is short lived in comparison
"a body like yours oughta be in jail..it was on the verge of being obscene"
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Reply #23 posted 07/30/08 2:20am

NouveauDance

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Well I can't remember off the top of my head! lol

IIRC, there's a few date errors and such, details us fans would probably pick up, but a casual reader wouldn't notice.
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Reply #24 posted 07/30/08 8:53am

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wmendoza36 said:


havent read POPLIFE or DMSR because I never knew how to get my hands on them
but i would be interested in knowing what the differences in them were


and i do agree this book seems to focus on more negatives than positives.
i mean its split into a RISE/FALL so it naturally ends in "the fall"
but aside from that the "rise" portion is short lived in comparison


I strongly recommend you do do your best to acquire "Pop Life" by Dave Hill and "DMSR" by Per Nilsen. They are both essential reads that will complement your knowledge and will not insult your intelligence.

As for "Possessed", I'm afraid its author allowed spite and a marked bias to get the better of him, squandering all the valuable research afforded to him on a silver platter. The book's rightful place is the bargain bin.
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Reply #25 posted 07/30/08 10:15am

LinnLM1

giotto said:

wmendoza36 said:


havent read POPLIFE or DMSR because I never knew how to get my hands on them
but i would be interested in knowing what the differences in them were


and i do agree this book seems to focus on more negatives than positives.
i mean its split into a RISE/FALL so it naturally ends in "the fall"
but aside from that the "rise" portion is short lived in comparison


I strongly recommend you do do your best to acquire "Pop Life" by Dave Hill and "DMSR" by Per Nilsen. They are both essential reads that will complement your knowledge and will not insult your intelligence.

As for "Possessed", I'm afraid its author allowed spite and a marked bias to get the better of him, squandering all the valuable research afforded to him on a silver platter. The book's rightful place is the bargain bin.
[Edited 7/30/08 8:53am]


But if you read DMRS by Per Nilsen even that book ends with quotes from people saying Prince hasn't written a great song in years and talking about how he has apparently lost it. It deals with 78-88 so they didn't have to elaborate on each album in the 90s that paled in comparison to his 80s material.

And imo Alex Hahn gives Prince full credit for his PRINCE-SIGN O THE TIMES era. Calls him a genius etc. And he also says that there are classic cuts on GRAFFITTI BRIDGE and EMANCIPATION which is something that DMSR implies that it wouldn't agree with.
the music knows what your motives are when you are making it

listen to The Replacements - its good for the soul
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Reply #26 posted 07/30/08 10:40am

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LinnLM1 said:

giotto said:



I strongly recommend you do do your best to acquire "Pop Life" by Dave Hill and "DMSR" by Per Nilsen. They are both essential reads that will complement your knowledge and will not insult your intelligence.

As for "Possessed", I'm afraid its author allowed spite and a marked bias to get the better of him, squandering all the valuable research afforded to him on a silver platter. The book's rightful place is the bargain bin.
[Edited 7/30/08 8:53am]


But if you read DMRS by Per Nilsen even that book ends with quotes from people saying Prince hasn't written a great song in years and talking about how he has apparently lost it. It deals with 78-88 so they didn't have to elaborate on each album in the 90s that paled in comparison to his 80s material.

And imo Alex Hahn gives Prince full credit for his PRINCE-SIGN O THE TIMES era. Calls him a genius etc. And he also says that there are classic cuts on GRAFFITTI BRIDGE and EMANCIPATION which is something that DMSR implies that it wouldn't agree with.



People here are too sensitive. This is the best book about Prince that has been written. It is as respectful as it is critical.
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