BorisFishpaw said:

Whats all this about your mother being old and speaking latin?????

Wonderwall said:

exactly! Prince should recognize that the bootlegs are good for his artistic image and have caused a lot more business from people like us.

ufoclub said:

the 80's stuff i dont think he had a hand in, i think that was studio people just taking tapes and letting them out there, i just think Prince didnt know how to control things then, but in the 90's i would say that he or someone close was using that as a "back channel" to getting work out there that he knew WB would never release just because of the relationship between them, so all of that stuff "studio wise" i think was "known".

zoerh said:

Actually, it was yo momma








(My sig is latin for "yo momma is so old she speaks latin")

ufoclub said:

I agree. The extensive amounts of studio outtakes have actually helped Prince's
image over the years, and his reputation as a extremely prolific musician. It
illustrates in a real way how the released albums were just the tip of the
iceberg when it comes to the material he's actually recorded.

BorisFishpaw said:

nice informative info BorisFishpaw

BartVanHemelen said:

Who the fuck are you? My schoolteacher or something?

If they aren't Prince, they don't know what he's done or hasn't done. So, this post is just about people's opinions.

You aren't Prince "der Fuhrer". So, get the fuck off your high-horse.
[Edited 2/1/08 11:35am]

mentalist said:

It was one of the first things they talked about when Larry started off by saying "What have you been doing?" and he talked about Crystal Ball and how he was one of the most bootlegged artists out there and he wanted to 'clean that up'

He wasn't angry, more matter of fact and he considered bootlegged material 'stolen property'.

I was tempted to send Larry some stuff

If you have any interest in Boots I'd recommend giving this book a read. It'll give you an idea of some of the many ways in which boots come into existence. The artist is rarely the source. They have varying degrees of tolerance. Prince is probably the least tolerant artist there is now.

Remember, a copy of a song only needs to get into one pair of hands that is willing to pass it along. A studio engineer could pass it to a friend and say "If you let anyone else listen to this I will KILL YOU!!" and so on and so on. The chain of command only has to break down once and the further removed from the original source, the less control. Alot of the sources, such as The Avenue video are several generations removed from the source (a copy of a copy of a copy). Live boots are either a guy standing in the crowd with a DAT shoved down his trousers or audio rips of broadcasted material. Soundboard releases of unbroadcasted material are more and more rare (was ONA Vega aftershow the last? That's over 4 years ago). Anyway, this is an interesting book.

like alot of things with Prince, his view on bootlegs is very much a double edged sword, which is wise on P´s part, as I am sure, he realises they play an intricate part of his legacy and legend.

Whitnail said:

Then why would he have stopped them for the last 10 or so years?

ufoclub said:

I agree with ufo.

If dude was responsible for bootlegs, then we would be up to our necks in "unreleased material" from the last ten years

ufoclub said:

This is merely speculation, but since P left WB, he has increased his official output, either thru actual label releases or thru his various websites. Coupled with the fact, that has been mentioned a few times, that he now obviously has far greater control over leakages. I reckon if one was to measure the volume since 1996, it would probably be comparable with that which was previously released plus outtakes. I think the bootlegs only started to really bother Prince, when it was in direct competition of his own methods of releasing music thru his websites.

I doubt he was directly involved in any bootlegs during the 80´s early 90´s, but he certainly turned a blind eye on it at the time, probably he saw it as a way of keeping his hardcore fanbase focused on him. Think about the fact that so much of the outtake bootleg stuff is basically made up of music which WB refused to release.

Wouldn't surprise me at all. Hell, he may even 'tinker' with each copy, putting hidden messages inside.

Sick fucker...

robertes71 said:

[Edited 2/3/08 12:19pm]

BorisFishpaw said:

Whitnail said:

Amazingly incorrect.

Whoever is responsible....
thanx.

Illustrator said:

Which is what I would be sayin' if I participated in the purchasing of any such items.
But it is wrong.
So I don't.










Don't sue me Prince.
I don't got a job.

//
[Edited 2/4/08 4:33am]

Illustrator said:

Indeed If it weren't for the bootleggers,we never woulda heard amazing stuff like "ExtraLovable","Moonbeam Levels","Open Book",etc.

NouveauDance said:

probably incorrect, but a fair share of unreleased material appeared from aborted P projects which later turned up on other albums or was left solely as outtakes, WB or not, P certainly got a kick out of being one of the most bootlegged artists ever.

A better question would be "Why doesn't he put this stuff out?"

The studio outtakes have future potential for him. But the live concerts and aftershows...?

What use is waiting till he's dead before this stuff gets released? Is he already thinking of the Prince Estate?

He must realise we want this stuff NOW. While theres probably a limited market for it, he could make some dough out of it.

I suspect he's too much of a perfectionist and hears faults in it that we don't (which is why he often overdubs live stuff).

After the 2000 Celly I went to NY and found a record store in the East Village called something- "Vinyl" (Final Vinyl?). Anyway, the guy there said that in the 80s to mid 90s records used to just arrive from MPLS with no clear source. It sounds a little mysterious, but he was giving 1st-hand info from his pov. I think he said, or implied, that they were being given away to select wrecka stow's...