L4OATheOriginal said:

this thread is amazing...

tricky99 said:

the difference between an actual friend having me read their work and using the adjectives all depends on my relationship with them correct? those that have either asked me or in turn i've giving my art 2, tell me straight up whether it's good or shit and there is no hard feelings. we help each other either tighten it up or give suggestions on what 2 add or leave out. I don't know prince that well 4 him 2 let me say oh that was tight or that was a piece of shit.

as 4 the rest of the tracks on PE, yes i have given it both lyrical and musical merit and nothing moves me. if u like PE that is ur chose but 4 me that album lacks soul, it lacks music that's slapping u upside the head and says DANCE or bang ur head. if u dropped the 1st 5 seconds of a tune like Love off of 3121 ur instantly on the dance floor and bobbing ur head like a maniac. where as something like chelsea boredom makes me go this ain't funky 2 me.

2 some it all up, depending on ur relationship with someone, u can either b brutal and honest or u can use words 2 not b so "spiteful or lack of tact" as u say..it's all .....


artist subjective


but planet earth the album as a whole sucks imo

I dont want to bring this great thread in the wrong direction, but seen as PE is one of the big issues here.

IMO it is the most tedious and boring album Prince has released, I remember clearly the day I got it, only CR gave me any sort of buzz, and I liked the version of guitar on it, but that was it, the rest was woeful.

L4OATheOriginal said:

I wanna fuck the taste outta your post....can you relate???



kids, dont read the word fuck...

L4OATheOriginal said:

I dont want to bring this great thread in the wrong direction, but seen as PE is one of the big issues here.

IMO it is the most tedious and boring album Prince has released, I remember clearly the day I got it, only CR gave me any sort of buzz, and I liked the version of guitar on it, but that was it, the rest was woeful.

roodboi said:

only if we can fuck until dawn making threads til cherries gone

L4OATheOriginal said:

I dont want to bring this great thread in the wrong direction, but seen as PE is one of the big issues here.

IMO it is the most tedious and boring album Prince has released, I remember clearly the day I got it, only CR gave me any sort of buzz, and I liked the version of guitar on it, but that was it, the rest was woeful.

only if we can fuck until dawn making threads til cherries gone

Whitnail said:

i know the feeling right after i heard the whole album i put on 3121 immediately ...even hearing live versions of some of the tracks off planet earth it just numbs me. and this from an artist that can take a studio track and totally flip it live!

L4OATheOriginal said:

up the discourse level please, Prince implores you...


Where's your friend Imago, roodboi?

He's missing out on all the fun!



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darrenj said:

darrenj said:

squirrelgrease said:

U are not nearly as funny as u think u are.

tricky99 said:

Sorry to edit your excellent point of view (I should have highlighted the bits I've taken instead) but you've stated exactly how I feel.


Prince hasn't done anything bad. He does things that some of don't like - but how many times do you see on here that what some of us adore, others dislike!

It's the beauty and scope of Princes work!!!

Its good to read something intelligent for a change!


I agree with you Tame, Nothing good since Planet Earth!!
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For You - Glass Half Full

Prince - Glass Half Full

Dirty Mind - Glass Full

Controversy - Glass Full

1999 - Glass Overflowin'

Purple Rain - Glass Full To The Rim

Around The World In A Day - Glass Full

Parade - Glass Full

Sign O´ The Times - Glass Runneth Over

Lovesexy - Glass Full

Batman - Glass Damn Near Full

Graffiti Bridge - Glass Half Full

Diamonds And Pearls - Glass Has A Couple Of Drops Left In It

- Glass Has A Couple Of Drops Left In It

Come - Glass Half Empty

Black Album - Glass Really Full

Gold - Glass Half Full

Chaos And Disorder - Glass 3/4 Full

Emancipation - Glass Half Empty

Crystal Ball - Glass Full

The Truth - Glass 7/8 Full

The Vault... Old Friends 4 Sale - Glass Full

Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic - Glass Half Empty

Rave In2 The Joy Fantastic - Glass Half Full

The Rainbow Children - Glass 3/4 Full

One Nite Alone - Glass Completely Full

One Nite Alone... Live! - Glass Running On Empty

The Aftershow: It Ain't Over! - Glass Half Empty

Xpectation - Glass Full

C-Note - Glass Full

N.E.W.S - Glass Full

The Chocolate Invasion - Glass Half Empty

The Slaughterhouse - Glass Half Empty

Musicology - Glass Empty

3121 - Glass Damn Near Empty

Planet Earth - Glass Empty

Tame said:

U name the album. I'm always stuck by this statement and I've read it many times here on the org. It always leaves me perplexed because I'm one of those fans that find great artistic merit in all the albums that Prince has produced. Sure there are those I consider better then others but none that I think are devoid of quality music.

Do people really feel this way or are they just speaking in extremes because being extreme garners more attention? I can think of 3 albums that I was unimpressed with on initial listen (Rave, NPS, and C&D). I don't feel any of the three is his best work but over time I have come to appreciate each as a step in Prince's musical journey. I think I've come to appreciate what they do offer as opposed to what they don't. I guess its the case of the glass being half-full as opposed to being half-empty.

I think too many of us are looking for absolute genius in Prince too much of the time. Whatever our personal highs are, we are looking for Prince to reproduce that high in us with each song or album. In doing so me miss a lot of the beauty that is offered. I just feel privileged to be alive and able experience this gifted musician in real-time. I can never judge Prince harshly on his personal decisions because they are his to make.

I don't feel the need to "battle" with Prince or call him derisive names like we are in elementary school together. It seems as silly as going to battle with Alfred Hitchcock or Picasso. I'm sure many people considered them "assholes" or whatever but really it's about the art they created and left for us enjoy.

Going back to the original statement "Prince hasn't done anything good since...", that is such a dismissive way of critiquing any artist. And really it just isn't true. I don't believe any one of his so-called fans can listen to PE and truly believe that to be true.

There is always wit and philosophy in his lyrics and ambition in the music. What is there not to love?

purplecam said:

oh without a doubt and somewhere here on earth r my sentimental favorites..i've always said that the album is shit except those 2 tracks but 4 me, 3121 kicks ass like no other since a long time 4 me. u'll c on this site people trash musicology and 3121 but praise planet earth 2 high heavens. that's good 4 them but 4 me it's the opposite

tricky99 said:

no, obviously, its about presenting evidence for YOUR view as I said nothing about time frame, I simply stated that anyone could have released albums like those...



so keep waiting for me to produce evidence for YOUR arguement...

Fantastic thread tricky99, and to everyone that has replied so far, one of the best i have read here in a long time.

I think the point has been echoed by a few posters so far, and that is, that those of us that grew up listening to P in the 80´s were simply spoilt rotten, is the fundamental reason why many of us are so critical. I think we are just as critical of music by other musicians, some of whom are very well respected, ie U2, Bowie or Springsteen and many others....

I think since Lovesexy, P has rarely released an album that has completely bowled me over, but that is not to say, that he has not released anything good.

What Prince did in the 80´s, was to set the bar so high, that not even he could reach it again, I can think of very few artists that had such a revolutionery output, on the scale Prince hit. Bowie in the 70´s maybe, The Cure also have a fascinating catalogue .

Another point is, Prince has focused more on live performances over the last 15 yrs or so, and that is where he is at today, and there are very few that can compete with him live, if any. (I know, that is a bold statement)

I have over the yrs always pointed out to friends and colleagues, if you want to see one of the greatest artists or showmen, go to a concert by Prince. I think his 21 nights and aftershows in London proved this, at least in Europe, as Musicology and ONA proved in America.

I also think Prince see´s this as the future, like small bands and artists start out by playing gigs and selling there cd´s after, Prince after all the yrs has gone back to this form of old school, and simply gives it away. PE may not be a work of musical genius, but if you get it for free, there is little to complain about, and there are some stand out cuts on it, which are nice to revive the memories.

Anyway, that is my rant, Thanx again tricky99 for this thought provoking thread

Really it not about winning an arguement. Neither of us could win the arguement. U made a statement. I just wanted u to flesh out your statement with more detail. U said any number of people could have produced those 3 albums. Why don't u name them? Even forget about the time span of 4 years. The reason that u don't name "any number of artists" is that u know that naming names opens up your opinion to scutiny by others. U are afraid to do that otherwise u would have dashed off an answer without even thinking about it. So really your statement about "any number of artists" is so much hot air.

tricky99 said:

so r u saying we should all b "p.c."? as an artist, 1st and 4most u have 2 have a thick skin and b open 2 take criticism. if u can't do that then u shouldn't try 2 create art. it's always going 2 b someone likes this someone likes that/i hate it it's shit mentality.

and as 4 the kids that may read these threads, trust me they already know the 7 deadly sins b4 logging on2 a site who's lyrics contained every single curse word and sexual acts on wax

I feel what you say, tricky, but if there's one thing I've learned the hard way, it's that while you can get some honest discussion about certain things here in orgville, you also get a lot of people who don't have much goin' on in the brain dept., so trite insult threads are the best they have to offer (Not trying to point anyone out here, either, so don't get it twisted.) In other words, don't expect too much, my friend.

tricky99 said:

tricky99 said:

I started this entire "arguement" by stating good was a matter of opinion, so wether mine be under scrutiny or not is of minimal concern to me...but since you've now allowed me to defend only my view and not your version of my view, I will do so...

if you need a list, I'll provide it...

Chris Brown, Wycleaf Jean, Ruben Studdard, Ne-Yo, Justin Timberlake...
....all could produce the same unimaginative radio friendly wanna be r&b that those albums did...
the list could even go on...but is that necessary...my point was the albums are not creative (in my opinion)...the albums are typical of the current state of music (in my opinion)...and (in my opinion) the above artists have done a better job with lack luster music than what Prince has...

so there, no longer am I "dashing off" outta fear...

so, scrutinize if you may, I'm sure you have an arguement for how those artists can't produce that level of quality....which in turn would go back to an opinion of said level of quality....

Wow..that was like pulling teeth. Looking over your list yeah I can see all those "performers" writing, producing, and performing the contents of musicology, 3121, and PE lol. Ok now I know where u are coming from. I knew if u came with a list u would reveal yourself. peace.

L4OATheOriginal said:

up the discourse level please, Prince implores you...

L4OATheOriginal said:

true, the PE tracks did not stand live at all (apart from guitar), although one or two at the aftershows in london were not bad, but i still had no feeling of love for the album after

L4OATheOriginal said:

I agree, 3121 is an excellent album. Musicology is also good but seems to be missing that really strong "stand out" track.

With Planet earth however (which I've always classed as another Chocolate invasion or Slaughterhouse - a collection of random tracks), I've stayed away from commenting on all threads as personally it takes more than a couple of months listening (with any of Prince's music) for the beauty to grab hold.

Initially like you I only liked the 2 tracks you listed..... then the live O2 shows got me hooked on Chelsea Rodgers, Lion of Judah is closely becoming my second favourite after Guitar.....Really loving Future Baby Mamma now....and my 5 yr old neices rendition of the One you wanna c has also got the ball rolling with that song too.

In another 3/6 months this album like nearly all his others with definately mean alot more to me. His music sometimes just needs a bit more time!

3 months ago it was a totally different story, and in 6 months