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Reply #90 posted 09/23/07 2:32pm

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happyhappy said:

Mindflux said:



Its incredible that after 73 posts, someone still does not get what is going on in this thread!!! rolleyes



but I do. I'm also trying to comprehend its relevance. Similarities (or maybe even corrupt copyright) seem to be pretty frequent. I'm just saying that outing something that might of been purly influence/conincedence doesn't make the track better or bring justice to either artist.

Valid point, This type of stuff is being done over and over again. Prince is not above influence, An artist is a slave to influence...
Either way their are no copyrights on demos (it be a serious waste of time & money)
as long as the song has an original melody than the song it was influenced by
no violations
You can copy the chord progressions exactly...
if its sung differently...
its an original piece of work...
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Reply #91 posted 09/23/07 2:42pm

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I am no longer a Prince fan, because in his catalog of over 500 (released) songs, I found one of his more obscure songs had a beat that very closely resembles one in one of Michael Jackson's more obscure songs.


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Reply #92 posted 09/23/07 2:54pm

happyhappy

p.s. this site could break boundries by trying to put all MJ/Prince stereotypes to rest.
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Reply #93 posted 09/23/07 3:20pm

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happyhappy said:

Mindflux said:



Its incredible that after 73 posts, someone still does not get what is going on in this thread!!! rolleyes



but I do. I'm also trying to comprehend its relevance. Similarities (or maybe even corrupt copyright) seem to be pretty frequent. I'm just saying that outing something that might of been purly influence/conincedence doesn't make the track better or bring justice to either artist.


No you don't! What you're saying is totally unconnected with the question being raised in this thread. This is nothing to do with "similarities" or "influences" or "coincidences" - how do any of those 3 concepts apply to some fool who, for no obvious reason, spliced 30-seconds of an entire track of Prince's on to an old MJ outtake?? Please tell me!

See, the question is "why would someone do that"? Not whether its connected to copyright (BTW, its a blatant breach of copyright), how good the track is (as said before, MJs is actually shit and Prince's ICPC is average Prince fare. The deliberate adding of ICPC does not improve MJs song, sounds out of place and the only thing that it raises of any interest is the question as to why it was done - you know, the one you keep missing wink ) or anything else. Shadeoviolet's thread was supposed to be funny, actually lampooning some of the more fervent Prince fans who would normally leap to the same conclusions as you, or say they are no longer going to be a fan. Yet, despite numerous posts from both Violet, and myself explaining the contrary, most people still do not get it.

It may not have relevance to anything (ever heard of just having fun?) but it could have been interesting if some people had even bothered to properly think about it, instead of regurgitating standard responses! (see post below!)
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Reply #94 posted 09/23/07 3:21pm

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ginosascaggagracci said:

I am no longer a Prince fan, because in his catalog of over 500 (released) songs, I found one of his more obscure songs had a beat that very closely resembles one in one of Michael Jackson's more obscure songs.


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See my post above! rolleyes
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Reply #95 posted 09/23/07 3:32pm

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Mindflux said:

ginosascaggagracci said:

I am no longer a Prince fan, because in his catalog of over 500 (released) songs, I found one of his more obscure songs had a beat that very closely resembles one in one of Michael Jackson's more obscure songs.


ShadeoViolet: Just beat it, beat it, your presence in the org isn't needed ...

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See my post above! rolleyes



Satire if done well is funny. Often it is just lack of originality posing as lampoon.
I'm just saying, MJ will be relevant as soon as (if ever ) he drops another disc. Until then, there are too many mentions of him on this site.
I wonder if the springsteen.net is riddled with antagonistic references to John Mellencamp ...


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Reply #96 posted 09/23/07 3:52pm

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ginosascaggagracci said:

Mindflux said:



See my post above! rolleyes



Satire if done well is funny. Often it is just lack of originality posing as lampoon.
I'm just saying, MJ will be relevant as soon as (if ever ) he drops another disc. Until then, there are too many mentions of him on this site.
I wonder if the springsteen.net is riddled with antagonistic references to John Mellencamp ...


shrug


Well, I've not seen a thread like this before, so its pretty original - and I saw the humour in it and some didn't. Some missed the point entirely and your contributions prove that.

Unless you are an upset MJ fan, you wouldn't be mentioning the antagonism, but it has existed since the 80's, you just gotta live with it, if it affects you that way. However, this thread wasn't meant to be antagonistic at all - but I've repeated the point of this thread so many times now, I cannot bring myself to type it again confused
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Reply #97 posted 09/23/07 4:08pm

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Mindflux said:

ginosascaggagracci said:




Satire if done well is funny. Often it is just lack of originality posing as lampoon.
I'm just saying, MJ will be relevant as soon as (if ever ) he drops another disc. Until then, there are too many mentions of him on this site.
I wonder if the springsteen.net is riddled with antagonistic references to John Mellencamp ...


shrug


Well, I've not seen a thread like this before, so its pretty original - and I saw the humour in it and some didn't. Some missed the point entirely and your contributions prove that.

Unless you are an upset MJ fan, you wouldn't be mentioning the antagonism, but it has existed since the 80's, you just gotta live with it, if it affects you that way. However, this thread wasn't meant to be antagonistic at all - but I've repeated the point of this thread so many times now, I cannot bring myself to type it again confused



Point taken. I will now go my favorite New York Yankees' fan site, and talk about what the Red Sox do better ,
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Reply #98 posted 09/23/07 4:34pm

happyhappy

Mindflux said:

happyhappy said:




but I do. I'm also trying to comprehend its relevance. Similarities (or maybe even corrupt copyright) seem to be pretty frequent. I'm just saying that outing something that might of been purly influence/conincedence doesn't make the track better or bring justice to either artist.


No you don't! What you're saying is totally unconnected with the question being raised in this thread. This is nothing to do with "similarities" or "influences" or "coincidences" - how do any of those 3 concepts apply to some fool who, for no obvious reason, spliced 30-seconds of an entire track of Prince's on to an old MJ outtake?? Please tell me!

See, the question is "why would someone do that"? Not whether its connected to copyright (BTW, its a blatant breach of copyright), how good the track is (as said before, MJs is actually shit and Prince's ICPC is average Prince fare. The deliberate adding of ICPC does not improve MJs song, sounds out of place and the only thing that it raises of any interest is the question as to why it was done - you know, the one you keep missing wink ) or anything else. Shadeoviolet's thread was supposed to be funny, actually lampooning some of the more fervent Prince fans who would normally leap to the same conclusions as you, or say they are no longer going to be a fan. Yet, despite numerous posts from both Violet, and myself explaining the contrary, most people still do not get it.

It may not have relevance to anything (ever heard of just having fun?) but it could have been interesting if some people had even bothered to properly think about it, instead of regurgitating standard responses! (see post below!)
[Edited 9/23/07 15:22pm]



well, maybe there are standard generic problems that deserve generic respones. but i'm sorry that i misinterpreted your post. i love being ridiculous on here, but i mistook your post as something more critical. please don't kill me razz
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Reply #99 posted 09/23/07 6:19pm

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ginosascaggagracci said:

I am no longer a Prince fan, because in his catalog of over 500 (released) songs, I found one of his more obscure songs had a beat that very closely resembles one in one of Michael Jackson's more obscure songs.


ShadeoViolet: Just beat it, beat it, your presence in the org isn't needed ...

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Next time, read the whole thread before coming to conclusions..

In all technicality, I could blow up right now and start a flame war, but I won't. This is just Prince.org, an internet website. I don't really mind if people hate me on the internet. Its the real-world I'm concerned about.

Oh, and Mindflux, thanks yet again. You rock. cool
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Reply #100 posted 09/24/07 9:25am

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Reply #101 posted 09/24/07 11:28am

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if it were mj that stole from prince u guys would be all over mj like a rash,but since its prince i guess he gets a pass huh
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Reply #102 posted 09/24/07 12:18pm

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riverdean7 said:

if it were mj that stole from prince u guys would be all over mj like a rash,but since its prince i guess he gets a pass huh
[Edited 9/24/07 11:28am]


eek eek ?? eek eek

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[Edited 9/24/07 12:20pm]
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Reply #103 posted 09/24/07 2:22pm

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Mindflux said:

riverdean7 said:

if it were mj that stole from prince u guys would be all over mj like a rash,but since its prince i guess he gets a pass huh
[Edited 9/24/07 11:28am]


eek eek ?? eek eek

falloff
[Edited 9/24/07 12:20pm]


Do we need to bring up MJ's rashes ?!?
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Reply #104 posted 09/24/07 2:27pm

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ShadeoViolet said:

ginosascaggagracci said:

I am no longer a Prince fan, because in his catalog of over 500 (released) songs, I found one of his more obscure songs had a beat that very closely resembles one in one of Michael Jackson's more obscure songs.


ShadeoViolet: Just beat it, beat it, your presence in the org isn't needed ...

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Next time, read the whole thread before coming to conclusions..

In all technicality, I could blow up right now and start a flame war, but I won't. This is just Prince.org, an internet website. I don't really mind if people hate me on the internet. Its the real-world I'm concerned about.

Oh, and Mindflux, thanks yet again. You rock. cool



You ain't really said nothin' to be "hated" on for. Technically, you just have your e-nuts on. I'll leave you the last word , tho' cuz it looks like you need it ...
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Reply #105 posted 09/24/07 2:32pm

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Reply #106 posted 09/24/07 5:24pm

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i am serious.....get a life
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Reply #107 posted 09/25/07 2:04am

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mdiver said:

i am serious.....get a life


Honestly, if getting a life means getting one more like yours, where the only contribution you make is to come on and cuss on a thread, you can keep it mate! Perhaps you need a lesson in not taking life too seriously, hmmm?
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Reply #108 posted 09/25/07 3:39am

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Mindflux said:

mdiver said:

i am serious.....get a life


Honestly, if getting a life means getting one more like yours, where the only contribution you make is to come on and cuss on a thread, you can keep it mate! Perhaps you need a lesson in not taking life too seriously, hmmm?


falloff OMG the fams are angry what will i do? roflmao
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Reply #109 posted 09/25/07 4:21am

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mdiver said:

Mindflux said:



Honestly, if getting a life means getting one more like yours, where the only contribution you make is to come on and cuss on a thread, you can keep it mate! Perhaps you need a lesson in not taking life too seriously, hmmm?


falloff OMG the fams are angry what will i do? roflmao

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Reply #110 posted 09/25/07 5:51am

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ShadeoViolet said:

toejam said:

Dude... relax.

There are only so many combination of beats and notes. When you compare two prolific artists from (generally speaking) a similar genre/culture, you're bound to find some similarities somewhere along the line.


The EXACT same notes? Stop taking the purple prune juice..

This is crap. So is the U2 riff. So is the Youtube situation..

What a damn joke.

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"Dangerous out-take entitled "She Got It." "

How would P copy something from an outake? You think it could be a coincedence. In addtion, according to one of P's engineer some of the Musicology tracks go back to 1996.
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Reply #111 posted 09/25/07 7:26am

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Ok, I dont know the MJ outtake, but I admit one of the reasons I didnt enjoy some of the songs in Planet Earth was because they reminded me A LOT of U2, Beatles (Guitar), BArry Manilow (Planet Earth) and Daft Punk (Chelsea).

I know there are only 7 notes, but these songs are very famous. I can´t believe Prince didn´t know them.
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Reply #112 posted 09/25/07 10:34am

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What a thread!
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Reply #113 posted 09/25/07 11:02am

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EmbattledWarrior said:


as long as the song has an original melody than the song it was influenced by
no violations
You can copy the chord progressions exactly...
if its sung differently...
its an original piece of work...


good point. A beat can't be copyrighted, and neither can a chord progression. Charlie Parker used to put new melodies over old songs' chords, and they called him a genius.

It's pointless to over-analyze and base opinions on little snippets of music. "Love come quick" sounds like "Say, say, say" but the songs are completely different in the end.
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Reply #114 posted 09/25/07 11:11am

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Just listened to ´She got it´. Actually it sounds like MJ was very influenced by Prince. That guitar over that beat could have been easily on ´Graffiti Bridge´. BTW, nice beat.
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Reply #115 posted 09/25/07 11:50am

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To me, it's obvious there's some sort of audio hi-jinks. If you know Prince's guitar style, you'll know those riffs are part of his music DNA especially when he has extended rhythm guitar work outs. It is crazy to hear for the first time but like the other dude said, it's out of key and really forced into the track. Doesn't sound natural. The overall debate of who copied who is fruitless since at this point there's not even a peep of competition from MJ's part even if he were to have a major comeback, Prince is in his own stratosphere as an artist who's been around for close to 30 years and still gets in the news for his MUSIC.

Love the way you sparked that though... Now a good "Who REALLY wrote that riff" thread is always good in Prince land. I'm always hearing new leaks about that. But i'm sure that's been tackled here....
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Reply #116 posted 09/25/07 7:36pm

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GustavoRibas said:

Just listened to ´She got it´. Actually it sounds like MJ was very influenced by Prince. That guitar over that beat could have been easily on ´Graffiti Bridge´. BTW, nice beat.

thats what i said...
That song is more Prince's style than Mj's
i seriously think it was an original prince demo
People forget that P gave out lots of his demos to people
including MJ
especially in the 85- 91 period when the two wanted to possibly collaborate in someway...
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Reply #117 posted 09/25/07 10:23pm

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ShadeoViolet said:

ufoclub said:

okay I listened to it, and someone has actually mixed in the actual Prince song with his guitar chord funk licks towards the end. what is the date of this outtake?


She Got It is an outtake attributed to Michael Jackson's "Dangerous" album..91-92 ish.

So, the evidence is suggesting some kid did this for kicks? But still..why??


Maybe it's an amateur remix?
Only the stupid are STILL Prince fans.
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Reply #118 posted 09/25/07 10:27pm

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"Automatic" was definately influenced by Gary Neuman's "Cars". Just listen to both songs and tell me I'm wrong. nod
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Reply #119 posted 09/26/07 9:03pm

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it was a guitar & drum bite initially intended for a Michael Jackson album, in which the song "She Got It" was never included in the album`s final version.
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