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Printable It's almost like he is trying to erase his past due to his crazy Jehovia Witness religious views! He is consumed by his religion!. That is a bonehead move suing youtube. I can't even see suing Ebay. If he wanted to, he could release all of the rare collectibles himself and make millions. | |
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Ifsixwuz9 said:[quote] SexyBeautifulOne said: No offense but if you have the videos and such already that you have paid for why are you pissed he is pulling it? You've got it vids, pics, etc ...why worry about what others can see? So I'm not bitching about him giving me anything for free! I'm bitching because this whole thing has nothing to do with money or internet piracy! It's about Prince trying to erase his past, period!! Not trying to erase it, but "sanitize" it as PurpleCharm said. And, as I pointed out in another post I'm sure he didn't think 25+ years ago that some concert he did in Dallas or Atlanta where he grabbed his crotch or dropped his pants would show up on the internet without his permission. It's one thing to have been there at the time to experience it, but well then it's over and then all you have is the memory of the event. It was shocking, it was fun, but that was then and this is now. Because it's hypocritical. Sure he didn't know 25 years ago that he would find "Jehovah". He wants to pretend that part of his life didn't exist, fine. It did. He signed deals back then that enabled these things to be broadcast on NETWORK TELEVISION to get more exposure to make him a VERY RICH MAN. Now, that his pockets are FULL (mind you mostly from all of the "lewd" stuff he did over the years), NOW he wants to prevent that footage from being seen. BULLSHIT. Hypocrite. If i want to share the birthday concert from '86 that was shown on television around the world for FREE, and he's not SELLING IT, then why can't i share it for FREE? [Edited 9/14/07 9:00am] http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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Bootlegs have maintained his PULSE. Without Bootlegs his career would of died years ago. Bootlegs have keep his career exciting throughout the years. He shouldn't turn his back against what has made him popular. | |
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If prince could meet our needs for bootlegs and live material there would be no need for their existence! | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: Ifsixwuz9 said: Not trying to erase it, but "sanitize" it as PurpleCharm said. And, as I pointed out in another post I'm sure he didn't think 25+ years ago that some concert he did in Dallas or Atlanta where he grabbed his crotch or dropped his pants would show up on the internet without his permission. It's one thing to have been there at the time to experience it, but well then it's over and then all you have is the memory of the event. It was shocking, it was fun, but that was then and this is now. 1. There's plenty that I haven't seen. Like a lot of the television performances, etc. that were on Housequake that I got to enjoy for the first time, thanks to someone uploading them. So you haven't seen them, which means you didn't pay for them. So you've lost nothng. And, well hell, I haven't seen every TV performance he's done either, but I'm not going to throw a fit about it. Nor am I going to be pissed because P isn't giving permission for it to float around on the internet. And I've been a fan since 1978. 2. Sanitize??? WTF?? We are talking about Prince right? RudeBoy, DirtyMinded, "Head" singing Prince? In order to santize the things he's done, he'd have to wipe them out altogether, which seems exactly like what he's trying to do to me! Yes "sanitize". And he hasn't gone by any of those monikers in years. Maybe he's trying to get away from that image for his own peace of mind.  It's really not a fans call to say he shouldn't.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Ifsixwuz9 said: sosgemini said: what prince and his "yes men" haven't comprehended is that this action just killed any interest in his future work from future generations...
so...what do we die hard fans get in return? more concerts with hits medleys and purple rain encores.  Come on. Like the other person above pointed out, old videos of P on YouTube etc., do not bring a large amount of new fans interested in his new work. If anything it's just the opposite they bring in people who want to hear him play the hits in concert. Thus leaving the die hards who attend concerts still hearing the same "hits medleys and Purple Rain encores". no...not because they are actually watching the stuff but because youtube, myspace and to a lesser extent ebay have become this generations mtv...and when some old foggie artist fights their generation they will take it personal and take it out on the person...regardless if prince is right or wrong he is pissing off potential music fans... cha know what i mean? Space for sale... | |
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jaimestarr79 said: Bootlegs have maintained his PULSE. Without Bootlegs his career would of died years ago. Bootlegs have keep his career exciting throughout the years. He shouldn't turn his back against what has made him popular.
 They are what has kept me around and interested in him, that's for sure. | |
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Ifsixwuz9 said:[quote] SexyBeautifulOne said: So you haven't seen them, which means you didn't pay for them. So you've lost nothng. And, well hell, I haven't seen every TV performance he's done either, but I'm not going to throw a fit about it. Nor am I going to be pissed because P isn't giving permission for it to float around on the internet. And I've been a fan since 1978. 2. Sanitize??? WTF?? We are talking about Prince right? RudeBoy, DirtyMinded, "Head" singing Prince? In order to santize the things he's done, he'd have to wipe them out altogether, which seems exactly like what he's trying to do to me! Yes "sanitize". And he hasn't gone by any of those monikers in years. Maybe he's trying to get away from that image for his own peace of mind. It's really not a fans call to say he shouldn't.And I've been a fan since 1978.
Me too. What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Yes "sanitize". And he hasn't gone by any of those monikers in years. Maybe he's trying to get away from that image for his own peace of mind.
It's really not a fans call to say he shouldn't.Sure it is. Because in a large way, WE paid for his lifestyle. Again, if he wants to steer people towards his newer content that he's going to sell and doesn't want people turning around and providing that for free, i get that. Sue. But he made his money off of whatever footage that was shown on network tv, MTV, whereever back in the day and it's hypocritical as hell to go after people that want to share that stuff with other fans FOR FREE. http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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ButterscotchPimp said: Ifsixwuz9 said: Not trying to erase it, but "sanitize" it as PurpleCharm said. And, as I pointed out in another post I'm sure he didn't think 25+ years ago that some concert he did in Dallas or Atlanta where he grabbed his crotch or dropped his pants would show up on the internet without his permission. It's one thing to have been there at the time to experience it, but well then it's over and then all you have is the memory of the event. It was shocking, it was fun, but that was then and this is now. Because it's hypocritical. Sure he didn't know 25 years ago that he would find "Jehovah". He wants to pretend that part of his life didn't exist, fine. It did. He signed deals back then that enabled these things to be broadcast on NETWORK TELEVISION to get more exposure to make him a VERY RICH MAN. Now, that his pockets are FULL (mind you mostly from all of the "lewd" stuff he did over the years), NOW he wants to prevent that footage from being seen. BULLSHIT. Hypocrite. If i want to share the birthday concert from '86 that was shown on television around the world for FREE, and he's not SELLING IT, then why can't i share it for FREE? [Edited 9/14/07 9:00am] Well because YouTube, etc., isn't broadcast or cable television. If that particular concert were to be shown again on TV "for free and you keep pointing out" you whould be more than welcome to tape it and watch it ad nauseum. However, be sure that P would need to give permission to have that concert rebroadcast and get paid for that re-broadcast by the cable or broadcast TV station showing it. And in the case of something like the Superbowl performance you would need to get permission from and the original broadcast station and probably the NFL. Notice, CBS/the NFL isn't letting YouTube have that performance up on their site either even though it was seen for free by viewers the first time around. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Ifsixwuz9 said:[quote] SexyBeautifulOne said: So you haven't seen them, which means you didn't pay for them. So you've lost nothng. And, well hell, I haven't seen every TV performance he's done either, but I'm not going to throw a fit about it. Nor am I going to be pissed because P isn't giving permission for it to float around on the internet. And I've been a fan since 1978. 2. Sanitize??? WTF?? We are talking about Prince right? RudeBoy, DirtyMinded, "Head" singing Prince? In order to santize the things he's done, he'd have to wipe them out altogether, which seems exactly like what he's trying to do to me! Yes "sanitize". And he hasn't gone by any of those monikers in years. Maybe he's trying to get away from that image for his own peace of mind. It's really not a fans call to say he shouldn't. You can't buy a television performance, they were broadcast F R E E!
I've been a fan since '78 also and yes, I'm pissed! I don't want him to go by "those monikers" but the times that he did are very much real and are as much a part of my history as they are his! If he wants doesn't want to associate himself with that image anymore that's fine and dandy but he can't erase it and even if he managed to prevent every site on the net from posting his past image, that doesn't mean that people are going to forget about it, especially those of us that were apart of it! | |
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sosgemini said: Ifsixwuz9 said: Come on. Like the other person above pointed out, old videos of P on YouTube etc., do not bring a large amount of new fans interested in his new work. If anything it's just the opposite they bring in people who want to hear him play the hits in concert. Thus leaving the die hards who attend concerts still hearing the same "hits medleys and Purple Rain encores". no...not because they are actually watching the stuff but because youtube, myspace and to a lesser extent ebay have become this generations mtv...and when some old foggie artist fights their generation they will take it personal and take it out on the person...regardless if prince is right or wrong he is pissing off potential music fans... cha know what i mean? I know what you mean but to say YouTube keeps new fans interested in his new music is just not quite accurate. New fans are more interested in the hits from back in the day. Which is not doing the long time fans any good. Hell if I wanna hear that tired assed Raspberry Beret/Take Me With U medley again I don't need to go any farther that my cd collection or the last tv appearance he did.  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Hi all,
Even if it could be done, how can prince stop people from downloading videos? There are waaaaay too many websites that will continue to post stuff? He is in the wrong business if he believes he can stop images that have already been released! 
I wonder how he would act if the fans decided to stop supporting his crazy ass! Mutts | |
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Ifsixwuz9 said: sosgemini said: no...not because they are actually watching the stuff but because youtube, myspace and to a lesser extent ebay have become this generations mtv...and when some old foggie artist fights their generation they will take it personal and take it out on the person...regardless if prince is right or wrong he is pissing off potential music fans... cha know what i mean? I know what you mean but to say YouTube keeps new fans interested in his new music is just not quite accurate. New fans are more interested in the hits from back in the day. Which is not doing the long time fans any good. Hell if I wanna hear that tired assed Raspberry Beret/Take Me With U medley again I don't need to go any farther that my cd collection or the last tv appearance he did. i am not saying that youtube keeps neew fans interested though... Space for sale... | |
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muttley said: Hi all,
Even if it could be done, how can prince stop people from downloading videos? There are waaaaay too many websites that will continue to post stuff? He is in the wrong business if he believes he can stop images that have already been released!
I wonder how he would act if the fans decided to stop supporting his crazy ass! Mutts I'm wondering that myself! | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: Ifsixwuz9 said: Yes "sanitize". And he hasn't gone by any of those monikers in years. Maybe he's trying to get away from that image for his own peace of mind. It's really not a fans call to say he shouldn't. You can't buy a television performance, they were broadcast F R E E!
I've been a fan since '78 also and yes, I'm pissed! I don't want him to go by "those monikers" but the times that he did are very much real and are as much a part of my history as they are his! If he wants doesn't want to associate himself with that image anymore that's fine and dandy but he can't erase it and even if he managed to prevent every site on the net from posting his past image, that doesn't mean that people are going to forget about it, especially those of us that were apart of it! No, you can't buy tv broadcasts, but you made a point of saying you paid for certain things that he is now having YouTube, etc pull. If you missed the tv broadcast well sorry to say but thems the breaks. Life isn't fair. Again no need to get pissed because you didn't pay for it, it's not yours to control, and quite frankly you don't have a divine right to have access to it.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Ifsixwuz9 said: ButterscotchPimp said: Because it's hypocritical. Sure he didn't know 25 years ago that he would find "Jehovah". He wants to pretend that part of his life didn't exist, fine. It did. He signed deals back then that enabled these things to be broadcast on NETWORK TELEVISION to get more exposure to make him a VERY RICH MAN. Now, that his pockets are FULL (mind you mostly from all of the "lewd" stuff he did over the years), NOW he wants to prevent that footage from being seen. BULLSHIT. Hypocrite. If i want to share the birthday concert from '86 that was shown on television around the world for FREE, and he's not SELLING IT, then why can't i share it for FREE? [Edited 9/14/07 9:00am] Well because YouTube, etc., isn't broadcast or cable television. If that particular concert were to be shown again on TV "for free and you keep pointing out" you whould be more than welcome to tape it and watch it ad nauseum. However, be sure that P would need to give permission to have that concert rebroadcast and get paid for that re-broadcast by the cable or broadcast TV station showing it. And in the case of something like the Superbowl performance you would need to get permission from and the original broadcast station and probably the NFL. Notice, CBS/the NFL isn't letting YouTube have that performance up on their site either even though it was seen for free by viewers the first time around. Well because YouTube, etc., isn't broadcast or cable television. If that particular concert were to be shown again on TV "for free and you keep pointing out" you whould be more than welcome to tape it and watch it ad nauseum.
Well yes, Youtube is the new broadcast television. Ever since the invention of the info-mercial, late night tv was killed. And back in the day, all of this stuff was shown for free. Again, if he wants to get paid every time someone says his name, PEOPLE WILL STOP SAYING IT. At what point, does it become ENOUGH MONEY? Contrary to what the purple Napoleon thinks, he can't control EVERYTHING. http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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sosgemini said: Ifsixwuz9 said: I know what you mean but to say YouTube keeps new fans interested in his new music is just not quite accurate. New fans are more interested in the hits from back in the day. Which is not doing the long time fans any good. Hell if I wanna hear that tired assed Raspberry Beret/Take Me With U medley again I don't need to go any farther that my cd collection or the last tv appearance he did. i am not saying that youtube keeps neew fans interested though... No you didn't. But that was kind of the gist I was getting from the last line of that post. My bad.  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Ifsixwuz9 said: SexyBeautifulOne said: You can't buy a television performance, they were broadcast F R E E!
I've been a fan since '78 also and yes, I'm pissed! I don't want him to go by "those monikers" but the times that he did are very much real and are as much a part of my history as they are his! If he wants doesn't want to associate himself with that image anymore that's fine and dandy but he can't erase it and even if he managed to prevent every site on the net from posting his past image, that doesn't mean that people are going to forget about it, especially those of us that were apart of it! No, you can't buy tv broadcasts, but you made a point of saying you paid for certain things that he is now having YouTube, etc pull. If you missed the tv broadcast well sorry to say but thems the breaks. Life isn't fair. Again no need to get pissed because you didn't pay for it, it's not yours to control, and quite frankly you don't have a divine right to have access to it.I'm done with this discussion! Just a word of caution to Prince, though. If you keep letting all these lackeys who don't have enough backbone to tell you when your ass is wrong convince you that alienating the folks who've supported you all these years (your fans) is good for you. You're going to end up with nothing but them and how long do you think they're going to stick around once the money you've made in the last few years starts dwindling and there aren't any of US (your fans) around to replenish it? | |
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I'm sure the world is full of people who would choose a low-grade postage stamp on their computer over purchasing the professional video for your television (I just haven't run across any of them yet).
I of course only mean in theory, because most of these videos can't be purchased anywhere at any price. But this really isn't about lost revenues, is it? This is about control and power over one's image, including things like the Super Bowl or Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony that he will never own. Prince is completely out to lunch on this one, but at least he's now picking on someone his own size. He'll be crushed, but then claim it as a victory for artists when YouTube and others start doing the same thing they've always done (removing videos from their site just as soon as they figure out there is a copyright issue). But he certainly has a right to do whatever he pleases with what he owns, including hiding it from the prying eyes of the public if he so chooses. This is why am glad that he doesn't own his own masters right now, because he'd probably censor the shit. And I could tell Prince the same thing for 1/1000 the price he'll be paying those pricey lawyers. Oh well. "I got a lot of money, but I don't want to spend it on me!" Problem solved. ** Unbelievable ** [Edited 9/14/07 10:01am] | |
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Rumours that at least one website will now require re-registration and agreement with the following:
"I hereby certify that I am not Prince, Prince's next-door neighbour, an employee of Prince, a fan of Prince and that I hate Prince and want to see the little purple snivelling shit-face die in agony and rot in hell forever. I promise not to buy his records, hear any reasonable criticism of my attitude or those of my fellow quackers and to spread the word that Prince is scum in perpetuity throughout the universe" | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: jontp said: I've turned full circle on this argument. Prince is asking for all copyright material to be deleted, which by law is a fair request. What is being confused (as i did) is the demand for this material to be made available. Nobody can claim to know the reason for the lack of old video meterial, but at the end of the day this would be a privalige not a right.
At the end of the day all that is being removed is a few photos and some dodgy videos. This shouldnt really effect your overall perception of the man. Who knows once this material is removed, he might actually release official tour videos (if there are any). I would not hold my breath on that!! This is about nothing more than Prince trying to get further into his JW beliefs! Which I didn't have a problem with as long as those beliefs did not infringe upon my rights to enjoy the Prince that I've always been able to enjoy! Now this shit is getting out of hand! If Prince doesn't want to be who the hell he is and will always be!! Then he should DO US ALL A FAVOR AND RETIRE ALREADY but you will NEVER be able to escape your past, pal!!! i agree with u 2 the point, cause if it wasn't 4 his past, he wouldn't b boring us with statements like "i've got so many hits 2 choose from" and the tired ass setlists since the musicology tour. man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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ButterscotchPimp said: Ifsixwuz9 said:
Well because YouTube, etc., isn't broadcast or cable television. If that particular concert were to be shown again on TV "for free and you keep pointing out" you whould be more than welcome to tape it and watch it ad nauseum.
Well yes, Youtube is the new broadcast television. Ever since the invention of the info-mercial, late night tv was killed. And back in the day, all of this stuff was shown for free. Again, if he wants to get paid every time someone says his name, PEOPLE WILL STOP SAYING IT. At what point, does it become ENOUGH MONEY? Contrary to what the purple Napoleon thinks, he can't control EVERYTHING. No it's not really. The number of people who actually watch tv via the net is still miniscule by comparison. Corporations pay huge bucks to get their products tv time during prime time shows. And like I said I don't see people bitching to the NFL/CBS for pulling the video of the Superbowl performance. It's really not that different. It's just that in Prince's case with the videos and such I think he just doesn't want some of those old performances floating around on the internet, weather he's getting paid each time someone clicks on the YouTube link or not. The point at which it becomes enough money is the point at which everything is given away for free -- clothing, food, shelter, heathcare, insurance, etc. -- this is a fact which impacts everybody, not just Prince and his videos. No one who posts on this site would work for free weather they loved their jobs or not because living isn't free. And anyone who said they would is lying. . [Edited 9/14/07 10:07am] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Prince already got done paid
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Oh, that's a beauty.
The fans who have supported him all these years by posting hate from here to Timbuktu. The fans are those who are supporting him NOW. The ones who came out of the shows having enjoyed them, appreciated the price and the free CD and weren't inspired to go on some website and spout five colours of shyte in response. "U can lead a horse 2 water but there ain't NO talkin 2 fcukwits" SexyBeautifulOne said: If you keep letting all these lackeys who don't have enough backbone to tell you when your ass is wrong convince you that alienating the folks who've supported you all these years (your fans) is good for you. [Edited 9/14/07 10:05am] | |
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Ifsixwuz9 said: ButterscotchPimp said: Well yes, Youtube is the new broadcast television. Ever since the invention of the info-mercial, late night tv was killed. And back in the day, all of this stuff was shown for free. Again, if he wants to get paid every time someone says his name, PEOPLE WILL STOP SAYING IT. At what point, does it become ENOUGH MONEY? Contrary to what the purple Napoleon thinks, he can't control EVERYTHING. No it's not really. The number of people who actually watch tv via the net is still miniscule by comparison. Corporations pay huge bucks to get their products tv time during prime time shows. And like I said I don't see people bitching to the NFL/CBS for pulling the video of the Superbowl performance. It's really not that different. It's just that in Prince's case with the videos and such I think he just doesn't want some of those old performances floating around on the internet, weather he's getting paid each time someone clicks on the YouTube link or not. The point at which it becomes enough money is the point at which everyting is given aways for free -- clothing, food, shelter, heathcare, insurance, etc. -- this is a fact which impacts everybody, not just Prince and his videos. No one who posts on this site would work for free weather they loved their jobs or not because living isn't free. And anyone who said they would is lying. Oh, give me a break. No it's not really. The number of people who actually watch tv via the net is still miniscule by comparison. Corporations pay huge bucks to get their products tv time during prime time shows.
If the number of people that use YouTube is "miniscule" then why go after them? Again, YouTube has been around for a few years now. So has Myspace. It's only NOW that both of these sites have gotten HUGE and bought by major corporations does NOW Prince have a problem with them. And like I said I don't see people bitching to the NFL/CBS for pulling the video of the Superbowl performance. It's really not that different. It's just that in Prince's case with the videos and such I think he just doesn't want some of those old performances floating around on the internet, weather he's getting paid each time someone clicks on the YouTube link or not.
Because it's the NFL. Everyone knows you can't re-broadcast any games (even the Super Bowl) without their permission. That's the same for any major sports. I'm not going to bitch about that, IF he's going to provide it himself. If he's not, and CBS isn't, then i might bitch about it. Again, it's HYPOCRITICAL. If he did something cool on SNL, and it ended up on YouTube as the #1 video and it was making headlines, and ultimately selling records,would he have it taken down the next day? Or would he wait a week or so until the headlines died down? I'm thinking it would be the LATTER. The point at which it becomes enough money is the point at which everyting is given aways for free -- clothing, food, shelter, heathcare, insurance, etc. -- this is a fact which impacts everybody, not just Prince and his videos. No one who posts on this site would work for free weather they loved their jobs or not because living isn't free. And anyone who said they would is lying.
We're not talking about EVERYTHING. Not the music, not the new concert footage, images, and any of the other trillion things that he's ALREADY MAKING MONEY OFF OF. We're talking about FANS sharing for the most part OLD footage and VIDEOS that HE'S not providing. He put them out there and the fans want to share them with other fans FOR FREE. He's not going BROKE from someone putting up the Kiss video on YouTube. That's ridiculous. http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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They're at my door right now!
They want all my pre-Emancipation albums! They have guns! Somebody call 911!!!!! |
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maybe it's for the publicity?
i mean, anyone apt enough to use google can find most all his bootlegs for free why 'int he go after dem? no orgnotes please cuz i ain't sayin' shit  | |
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