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Reply #210 posted 09/14/07 6:58am

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Prince is brilliant. He has been at the cutting edge of online music distribution and websites, so it only makes sense that he would step up and try to get a handle on the piracy that has gone wild online. Someone has to take the first step and Prince is making a bold move. He has worked hard and deserves to have some sense of where all his work is being reproduced.

We are stepping into new territory with the online piracy, and eventually there will be parameters and guidelines to protect artists. For now Prince will have to make the first move. A very smart move. He wants control of his music and videos. Very smart.

The music industry has to catch up to the internet eventually. Prince will set the standard for others to follow.
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Reply #211 posted 09/14/07 7:04am

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excessex said:

I look forward to Prince cutting deals which will result in spectacular exclusives, special events, huge profile/press and the like on these services and enable him to resume making lots of amazing vids (a la Gold period), smoking spectacular one-off events and offering concert tickets at £31.21 (or did y'all forget?)


lol Prince doesn't play the PR/Marketing game (obviously; 'cause if he did he wouldn't be trying to cleanse the internet of his image, he'd be using it to his advantage...) He records and tapes every concert performance and how many of those have been officially released over the years? 5 maybe 6? You're going to be waiting for a very long time 'cause that isht is not going to happen no matter how many fans/friends/fams/haters want it.

excessex said:

Hurt me

The funkier I be
The funkier I get, oh shit
Lickety split on the lyric
A new jack in the pulpit
Watch it deacon, your track is leakin'
What is this u're seekin'?
The syncopated rhymes are at their peak
When you jumped on my D.I.C.K.
That's the one thing that I don't play
The jock strap was 2 big 4 u anyway
U're just a simpleton
I'll bust u like a pimple, son
My star is 2 bright
Boy, I'll sink u like the ship Poseidon Adventure
U're bumpin' dentures 2 be cocksure
There must be more coming from
your mouth than manure
So with a flow and a spray, I say hey
U must become a prince before u're king anyway


spit Quoting a Tony M. rap doesn't really bolster your argument, even if Prince did write it. Perhaps you meant to post thathere? falloff
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Reply #212 posted 09/14/07 7:14am

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I believe it's Prince trying to control his image more than anything. He's not the same person that' in alot of those videos. He's much different now and doens't want his new fans to see some of that stuff. I think he' ashamed of some of it and just doesn't want it associated with him, today.
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Reply #213 posted 09/14/07 7:17am

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feelUup said:

Prince is brilliant. He has been at the cutting edge of online music distribution and websites, so it only makes sense that he would step up and try to get a handle on the piracy that has gone wild online. Someone has to take the first step and Prince is making a bold move. He has worked hard and deserves to have some sense of where all his work is being reproduced.

We are stepping into new territory with the online piracy, and eventually there will be parameters and guidelines to protect artists. For now Prince will have to make the first move. A very smart move. He wants control of his music and videos. Very smart.

The music industry has to catch up to the internet eventually. Prince will set the standard for others to follow.



That's one way of looking at it.
I look at it like this.
Prince is a greedy control freak.

We're not talking about "online piracy".
That implies that all these people are SELLING AND MAKING A PROFIT off of Prince material.

We're talking about fans SHARING FOOTAGE with OTHER FANS. FOR FREE.

If you want to turn this into a debate on the internet, sure.
AGAIN, for the millionth time, the only way this makes SOME sense is if he's selling content online and then finding it somewhere else on the net for free. In that case, go ahead and sue.

That's NOT what he's doing.
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Reply #214 posted 09/14/07 7:20am

Lothan

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Prince threatening Photoshop?

Omigod, HQ has posted that Prince is demanding that Photoshop close the accounts of all people that have his pictures stored in their database, THIS IS NOT A JOKE check with housequake. I have over 1000 pictures of him stored over there and what about my other pics? check your accounts, check with HG I hope this is a bad dream!
[Edited 9/14/07 4:53am
I thought up top you said you didn't care about this stuff? funny how things change when it's about YOU personally.

I told you all that Prince would be doing something about the pictures you guys post here and no one believed me. Kept right on posting.


None of this really affects me. I don't expect anything different from Prince. I don't care if I don't get to see pictures of him or videos of him on the internet. Why he cares about this stuff is way beyond me but it's his image so this is obviously what he feels he has to do. I feel bad for some of his fans.
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Reply #215 posted 09/14/07 7:26am

unkemptpueblo

Well, all you fammies better get to changing those Prince related avatars, or it may be Courtin' Time. lol


get it..Courtin Ti...nevermind.
A happy face, A Thumpin Bass, For A Lovin' Race. PEACE.
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Reply #216 posted 09/14/07 7:29am

Lothan

feelUup said:

Prince is brilliant. He has been at the cutting edge of online music distribution and websites, so it only makes sense that he would step up and try to get a handle on the piracy that has gone wild online. Someone has to take the first step and Prince is making a bold move. He has worked hard and deserves to have some sense of where all his work is being reproduced.

We are stepping into new territory with the online piracy, and eventually there will be parameters and guidelines to protect artists. For now Prince will have to make the first move. A very smart move. He wants control of his music and videos. Very smart.

The music industry has to catch up to the internet eventually. Prince will set the standard for others to follow.
Why Prince is just now trying to get a handle on this when the floodgates were open years ago is beyond me. Dude had people working for him that were stealing from him, yet he wants to get mad at fans for wanting to hear that stuff. He doesn't make sure no cameras or recording equipment is bought into venues so I don't understand why he seems to be shocked. I really don't get this cat. Luckily I don't have to like a person to enjoy their music.
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Reply #217 posted 09/14/07 7:31am

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excessex said:

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I look forward to Prince cutting deals which will result in spectacular exclusives, special events, huge profile/press and the like on these services and enable him to resume making lots of amazing vids (a la Gold period), smoking spectacular one-off events and offering concert tickets at £31.21 (or did y'all forget?)

[Edited 9/14/07 1:33am]



didn't he already do this with the promotion of the guitar single with verizon? and it was the featured video of the week or something like that on YOUTUBE even on 3121 there was a link 2 it on YOUTUBE..
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #218 posted 09/14/07 7:32am

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Lothan said:

feelUup said:

Prince is brilliant. He has been at the cutting edge of online music distribution and websites, so it only makes sense that he would step up and try to get a handle on the piracy that has gone wild online. Someone has to take the first step and Prince is making a bold move. He has worked hard and deserves to have some sense of where all his work is being reproduced.

We are stepping into new territory with the online piracy, and eventually there will be parameters and guidelines to protect artists. For now Prince will have to make the first move. A very smart move. He wants control of his music and videos. Very smart.

The music industry has to catch up to the internet eventually. Prince will set the standard for others to follow.
Why Prince is just now trying to get a handle on this when the floodgates were open years ago is beyond me. Dude had people working for him that were stealing from him, yet he wants to get mad at fans for wanting to hear that stuff. He doesn't make sure no cameras or recording equipment is bought into venues so I don't understand why he seems to be shocked. I really don't get this cat. Luckily I don't have to like a person to enjoy their music.



Exactly.
Again, Youtube and Myspace have been around for years.

It's ONLY when these sites get bought by large corporations and become SO popular does Prince smell dollar signs.
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Reply #219 posted 09/14/07 7:33am

excessex

The follwing words were absent from previous communication:
"evil corporation"

Maybe I am jealous. I know that if I was gonna set up a site tomorrow to let people post anything they want on it, I'd get my ass sued. What's so different about YouTube other than the success of their marketing themselves as 'The Robin Hood of media'?
I don't see any community that YouTube created. It's a website not a church.



m3taverse said:

Your line of thought seems to be that because they are succesful, because people have created the largest communities we have ever seen in the history of the world, that somehow automatically makes them an evil corporation. Are you just jealous or do you simply dispise people making money. Your anti corporate rant is tired in any case, and i suspect disingenuous at the same time.

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Reply #220 posted 09/14/07 7:36am

LizSK2

excessex said:

Thanks, Kevin. Is that on YouTube?
Anybody got the url?

lol

LizSK2 said:


Do yourselves a favour - go buy the An Evening with Kevin Smith DVD where he tells the most incredible half hour long story about Prince. It gives you the most unique insight into who he is that I have ever seen.


LOL are you kidding?! This entire thread is about Prince's control issues with online content. He wants clips of him off You Tube, you think he's going to let a story about him that's so revealing end up online?! You'll have to buy the DVD, believe me it's absolutely worth it. Kevin Smith is a huge fan, he even got The Time to appear in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.

However, I see from Googling that the entire story is available online, on this very site no less. I don't get why people think P is an asshole upon reading this, it makes me adore him more! He's not of this world, are people expecting that he goes out to the local store for a pint of milk in his heels or something? Most rock stars are ordinary. He's like something from another world and isn't that what we adore about him?

Here's the link, read the whole story, it's fantastic even if you don't get the telling in writing. The way he tells it is with absolute love and fan worship of the man, and how thrilled, and sometimes annoyed, he was by the whole experience.

http://prince.org/msg/7/156607
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Reply #221 posted 09/14/07 7:36am

Lothan

ButterscotchPimp said:

Lothan said:

Why Prince is just now trying to get a handle on this when the floodgates were open years ago is beyond me. Dude had people working for him that were stealing from him, yet he wants to get mad at fans for wanting to hear that stuff. He doesn't make sure no cameras or recording equipment is bought into venues so I don't understand why he seems to be shocked. I really don't get this cat. Luckily I don't have to like a person to enjoy their music.



Exactly.
Again, Youtube and Myspace have been around for years.

It's ONLY when these sites get bought by large corporations and become SO popular does Prince smell dollar signs.
You are pretty awesome. biggrin
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Reply #222 posted 09/14/07 7:44am

gemini13

Lothan said:

ButterscotchPimp said:




Exactly.
Again, Youtube and Myspace have been around for years.

It's ONLY when these sites get bought by large corporations and become SO popular does Prince smell dollar signs.
You are pretty awesome. biggrin


Yes he is. biggrin
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Reply #223 posted 09/14/07 7:46am

PurpleCharm

We should all flood youtube with every Prince video that we have and upload every picture of Prince to photobucket. That should keep the net police quite busy.
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Reply #224 posted 09/14/07 7:48am

excessex

Yesssss!


feelUup said:

Prince is brilliant. He has been at the cutting edge of online music distribution and websites, so it only makes sense that he would step up and try to get a handle on the piracy that has gone wild online. Someone has to take the first step and Prince is making a bold move. He has worked hard and deserves to have some sense of where all his work is being reproduced.

We are stepping into new territory with the online piracy, and eventually there will be parameters and guidelines to protect artists. For now Prince will have to make the first move. A very smart move. He wants control of his music and videos. Very smart.

The music industry has to catch up to the internet eventually. Prince will set the standard for others to follow.
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Reply #225 posted 09/14/07 7:50am

excessex

I WAS kidding

smile


LizSK2 said:

excessex said:

Thanks, Kevin. Is that on YouTube?
Anybody got the url?

lol



LOL are you kidding?! This entire thread is about Prince's control issues with online content. He wants clips of him off You Tube, you think he's going to let a story about him that's so revealing end up online?! You'll have to buy the DVD, believe me it's absolutely worth it. Kevin Smith is a huge fan, he even got The Time to appear in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.

However, I see from Googling that the entire story is available online, on this very site no less. I don't get why people think P is an asshole upon reading this, it makes me adore him more! He's not of this world, are people expecting that he goes out to the local store for a pint of milk in his heels or something? Most rock stars are ordinary. He's like something from another world and isn't that what we adore about him?

Here's the link, read the whole story, it's fantastic even if you don't get the telling in writing. The way he tells it is with absolute love and fan worship of the man, and how thrilled, and sometimes annoyed, he was by the whole experience.

http://prince.org/msg/7/156607
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Reply #226 posted 09/14/07 7:58am

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Thank god for bands like Wilco who are so generous with their fans.

It is like day and night. It is refreshing to see groups who don't treat their fans like the enemy.

Prince is nuts and slowly becoming irrelevant. I don't understand how he can do something so cool and seemingly cutting edge like his newspaper promo this summer and then fight to keep cel phone clips off youtube. The guy is out of touch.
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Reply #227 posted 09/14/07 8:01am

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Lothan said:

ButterscotchPimp said:




Exactly.
Again, Youtube and Myspace have been around for years.

It's ONLY when these sites get bought by large corporations and become SO popular does Prince smell dollar signs.
You are pretty awesome. biggrin


Wow.
I must admit, i'm really not used to getting love here in the Org....
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Reply #228 posted 09/14/07 8:03am

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feelUup said:

Prince is brilliant. He has been at the cutting edge of online music distribution and websites, so it only makes sense that he would step up and try to get a handle on the piracy that has gone wild online. Someone has to take the first step and Prince is making a bold move. He has worked hard and deserves to have some sense of where all his work is being reproduced.

We are stepping into new territory with the online piracy, and eventually there will be parameters and guidelines to protect artists. For now Prince will have to make the first move. A very smart move. He wants control of his music and videos. Very smart.

The music industry has to catch up to the internet eventually. Prince will set the standard for others to follow.


First step? Yeah, no-one has tried to tackle internet piracy before now. What a revolutionary Prince is.

And anyway he isn't going after piracy.

He does not get it and he will lose.

To bad for him, he could embrace this and benefit from it. Not that he needs it.
"What a lovely fat beat with a zompige baslijn"
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Reply #229 posted 09/14/07 8:03am

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We should all flood youtube with every Prince video that we have and upload every picture of Prince to photobucket. That should keep the net police quite busy.


Wrong strategy! He's got too many yes men trying to keep earning those paychecks for that! I say we DUMP everything Prince related from the net! He doesn't want to be on the net so let's oblige him and see how long it takes him to miss our attention!
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Reply #230 posted 09/14/07 8:08am

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sosgemini said:

what prince and his "yes men" haven't comprehended is that this action just killed any interest in his future work from future generations...


so...what do we die hard fans get in return? more concerts with hits medleys and purple rain encores.


headbang



Come on. Like the other person above pointed out, old videos of P on YouTube etc., do not bring a large amount of new fans interested in his new work. If anything it's just the opposite they bring in people who want to hear him play the hits in concert. Thus leaving the die hards who attend concerts still hearing the same "hits medleys and Purple Rain encores".


And on another note (not related to your post SOS) I still think it's funny as hell that people are still bitching because they can't see offical videos that are available at retail shops for free. falloff And boots are illegal (fun, but still illegal) so why cry about it?
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Reply #231 posted 09/14/07 8:26am

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billboard.com is now reporting on it.

Prince has asked the NYPD to deliver video surveilance of the area surrounding Bryant Park. Anyone seen photographing him during last year's performance on Good Morning America is to be sued.
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Reply #232 posted 09/14/07 8:28am

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PurpleCharm said:

purplesweat said:

If he didn't want to be remembered that way, he shouldn't have done it in the first place. And there's already a pretty naughty performance of Head circulating on those sites.

QUESTION - If he's so adamant about having copyright material as his only - WHY did he give away his SONGS for free? neutral mad


Do you think Prince knew he was going to be a Jehovah Wintness back then?

And that naughty performance of Head that is circulating is what he's trying to get pulled.



Exactly. And it's not just about him being a JW. Just being a saved christian or whatever could prompt a person to have second thoughts on things they did before becoming more self-aware. And I'm sure in 1981 he didn't expect that concert footage of him playing "Head" in zebra stripped draws that was illegally shot would show up on the something called the internet 25+ years later without his permission.
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Reply #233 posted 09/14/07 8:29am

SexyBeautifulO
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Ifsixwuz9 said:

sosgemini said:

what prince and his "yes men" haven't comprehended is that this action just killed any interest in his future work from future generations...


so...what do we die hard fans get in return? more concerts with hits medleys and purple rain encores.


headbang



Come on. Like the other person above pointed out, old videos of P on YouTube etc., do not bring a large amount of new fans interested in his new work. If anything it's just the opposite they bring in people who want to hear him play the hits in concert. Thus leaving the die hards who attend concerts still hearing the same "hits medleys and Purple Rain encores".


And on another note (not related to your post SOS) I still think it's funny as hell that people are still bitching because they can't see offical videos that are available at retail shops for free. falloff And boots are illegal (fun, but still illegal) so why cry about it?


That's the point! Most of the stuff Prince and his yesmen are all up in arms about, is stuff that has been purchased by ME (since I can only speak for myself) numerous times. I paid for the albums. I paid for the cassettes, I paid for the cd's, I paid for the posters, the pictures, t-shirts, concert tickets, souvenirs and I paid for the videos!!

So I'm not bitching about him giving me anything for free! I'm bitching because this whole thing has nothing to do with money or internet piracy! It's about Prince trying to erase his past, period!!
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Reply #234 posted 09/14/07 8:37am

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Ewwwww!!!!

What an incredibly BAD idea!!!
I can't believe that people haven't learned from Metallica's major mistake when they made their big fuss over Napster!
The people who used Napster (and any other P2P file sharing program) are the fans!
Alienating the fans will only piss them off and drive them away...a la Metallica!

Tsk tsk....

Oh well...guess I should say that it's been "real" with you all over the years!
(figure this site will be taken down pretty soon!!)
lol

DAVE
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Reply #235 posted 09/14/07 8:47am

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viewaskew said:

billboard.com is now reporting on it.

Prince has asked the NYPD to deliver video surveilance of the area surrounding Bryant Park. Anyone seen photographing him during last year's performance on Good Morning America is to be sued.


eek

1. What a waste of NYPD resources and time.
2. He was performing in a PUBLIC space.
3. By his logic, I should be able to sue him for using the photo his photographer took of my PartyUp sign on the homepage of npgmc.com, then right? neutral
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Reply #236 posted 09/14/07 8:49am

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SexyBeautifulOne said:

Ifsixwuz9 said:




Come on. Like the other person above pointed out, old videos of P on YouTube etc., do not bring a large amount of new fans interested in his new work. If anything it's just the opposite they bring in people who want to hear him play the hits in concert. Thus leaving the die hards who attend concerts still hearing the same "hits medleys and Purple Rain encores".


And on another note (not related to your post SOS) I still think it's funny as hell that people are still bitching because they can't see offical videos that are available at retail shops for free. falloff And boots are illegal (fun, but still illegal) so why cry about it?


That's the point! Most of the stuff Prince and his yesmen are all up in arms about, is stuff that has been purchased by ME (since I can only speak for myself) numerous times. I paid for the albums. I paid for the cassettes, I paid for the cd's, I paid for the posters, the pictures, t-shirts, concert tickets, souvenirs and I paid for the videos!!


No offense but if you have the videos and such already that you have paid for why are you pissed he is pulling it? You've got it vids, pics, etc ...why worry about what others can see?


So I'm not bitching about him giving me anything for free! I'm bitching because this whole thing has nothing to do with money or internet piracy! It's about Prince trying to erase his past, period!!


Not trying to erase it, but "sanitize" it as PurpleCharm said. And, as I pointed out in another post I'm sure he didn't think 25+ years ago that some concert he did in Dallas or Atlanta where he grabbed his crotch or dropped his pants would show up on the internet without his permission. It's one thing to have been there at the time to experience it, but well then it's over and then all you have is the memory of the event. It was shocking, it was fun, but that was then and this is now.
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Reply #237 posted 09/14/07 8:55am

gemini13

ButterscotchPimp said:

gemini13 said:



Annnnnd his perfume stinks like shit. confused



I'm seriously starting to love some of you.

freaking hilarious!


It really did. I found a sample in the mail trash (haha), and took a whiff. It was horrible!
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Reply #238 posted 09/14/07 8:56am

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"Prince doesn't really want to go around suing people


What better way 2 demonstrate this than by...uh... going around suing people?...

I'm confused. neutral
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Reply #239 posted 09/14/07 8:58am

SexyBeautifulO
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Ifsixwuz9 said:[quote]

SexyBeautifulOne said:



No offense but if you have the videos and such already that you have paid for why are you pissed he is pulling it? You've got it vids, pics, etc ...why worry about what others can see?


So I'm not bitching about him giving me anything for free! I'm bitching because this whole thing has nothing to do with money or internet piracy! It's about Prince trying to erase his past, period!!


Not trying to erase it, but "sanitize" it as PurpleCharm said. And, as I pointed out in another post I'm sure he didn't think 25+ years ago that some concert he did in Dallas or Atlanta where he grabbed his crotch or dropped his pants would show up on the internet without his permission. It's one thing to have been there at the time to experience it, but well then it's over and then all you have is the memory of the event. It was shocking, it was fun, but that was then and this is now.


1. There's plenty that I haven't seen. Like a lot of the television performances, etc. that were on Housequake that I got to enjoy for the first time, thanks to someone uploading them.

2. Sanitize??? WTF?? We are talking about Prince right? RudeBoy, DirtyMinded, "Head" singing Prince? In order to santize the things he's done, he'd have to wipe them out altogether, which seems exactly like what he's trying to do to me!
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