dseann said:

Again...who you think is better is a matter of opinion & personal taste. If your trying to represent your opinion as fact, then it's debatable. I'm not in the business of arguing opinions. You like who you like. This topic has been done to death. I was hoping to find some enlightened post. Unfotunately the usual group of greasy mouth fambots continue to leave post that don't offer any objectivity what so ever. (Prince is a god! "Nuff Said!")

Prince is great no doubt. Maybe even a genius within his own microcosm. LOL! However, some of you need to collectively wean yourselves off his joint. Seriously. It's damn near impossible to have any sort of intelligent conversation with anyone riding his jock so hard.

Here's a tip: Pretend your not a fan for a moment then re-read some of your postings....perhaps for once you'd see how ridiculous some these statements are.

Later...

-K-

kstrat said:

You're from Okayplayer aren't you?

kstrat said:

Until Ice Cream Castle, The Time(in the studio) consisted of Prince playing everything and singing backup) and Morris Day(Alex O'Neal to a lesser extent) on lead. Jesse played with a superb sounding guitar tone but his solo's lacked substance. He could play guitar, that is without question, but better than Prince.....wake the fuck up mang.

dseann said:

To a lesser extent, Alexander O'Neal? Uh, Alex NEVER sung lead with The Time. The only cut Jesse played on with The Time is Jungle Love. That's P on My Drawers.

blackguitaristz said:

You sure about that Black?

Jesse implies that the BB King style clean playing is his on "If The Kid Can't Make You Come" in the 1988 Guitar World article.

To be honest I've never heard Prince play anything remotely that bluesy on any of his studio albums, so I'm inclined to believe it not Prince. Compare what's on the track "Lonely Heart" (12 inch B side to "Everybody Dance") on Tamara & the Seen's 1st album or even "Better Way" from Shockadelica. You'll get a sense of what I'm getting at.

Isn't the "The Bird" taken from a live performance? The My Drawers solo...man your pullin' my leg right? LOL!

-K-

jaimestarr79 said:

Dude, whatever it is you're smokin' you'd best leave it alone.

-K-

kstrat said:

Good point, K. I always hated the track "If the Kid Can't Make U Come". And to be honest, I've NEVER listened to that song all the way through. I disliked it that much. Man, what a throwaway track. P is totally refering to his character's name from the Purple Rain film "The Kid". And then is going to try to toss it off on to Morris to sing. But yeah, it does sound more like Jesse than P. P's never gotten that blusey in his playing. Jesse's tone has always been more authentic when it came to a bluesy sound. His touch is more natural as well. Especially with that tone. The basic tracks to The Bird was live and yeah, that is Jesse on axe. BUT according to Morris, when I recorded with him, he said that My Drawers is ALL Prince.

I think the person was talking about "Flyte Time" Alexander O'neal sang lead
and Morris played the drums. This was the name of the group before it was changed to "The Time" minus Alexander and Morris swithced to lead vocals.

As for Jesse., I saw perform live back 1987. He tore it up on the axe.
I remember him adding a guitar intro to "I Want My Girl" He should have re-recorded that song w/ the guitar intro, it gave the song a whole new vibe.

When he peformed "I'm just wanting you" the audience just stayed quiet and took in his awesome solos.

I think the person was talking about "Flyte Time" Alexander O'neal sang lead
and Morris played the drums. This was the name of the group before it was changed to "The Time" minus Alexander and Morris swithced to lead vocals.

As for Jesse., I saw perform live back 1987. He tore it up on the axe.
I remember him adding a guitar intro to "I Want My Girl" He should have re-recorded that song w/ the guitar intro, it gave the song a whole new vibe.

When he peformed "I'm just wanting you" the audience just stayed quiet and took in his awesome solos.

blackguitaristz said:

Interesting.... I guess you learn something new everyday. Well I still.... eh..nevermind.

Thanks BG.

-K-

kstrat said:

Yeah, I KNOW...u still think it's Jesse on lead axe on "My Drawers", right?

blackguitaristz said:

Well I'd like to believe Morris would have known who tracked what. What reason would he have to mis-inform form you. That wouldn't make a lot sense.

What I don't get is why Jesse would only track on select tunes. That is unless Prince had already recorded most of the guitar tracks. It would be interesting to hear Jesse's take on his time working for Prince. I get the impression from some of his statements since leaving the fold that he's moved on and rather speak more on his (then) current work.

On to another related topic what do you think he recorded with. The guitar tones are consistent through out the album. It's a very 80's tone. To me it sounds like a Rockman with a hint of chorus for the leads. Pretty much the same tone on "Jesse Johnson's Review" too.

BUT according to Morris, when I recorded with him, he said that My Drawers is ALL Prince.

P most definately cut several tracks waaay before there was any other involvement from other players. That was always the case. P only used another musician when he wanted something that he himself couldn't capture. The only reson Jesse got to do a solo was because Jungle Love was his song. And as I have mentioned several times on here in the past, the drama that went down regarding the solo, or lack of it, on Jungle Love is waaay out. P basically edited much of Jesse's lead work on that song. All of when Jesse wasn't present in the studio. Which caused much tension between P and Jesse. P always respected Jesse as a lead guitarist but there was always some envy there as well. Not just Jesse's playing but his image and 'coolness" that dictated somewhat of what P himself will later do. And Jesse was VERY popular with the girls. Something P had already had a problem with having Dez in the band. It wasn't as bad with Dez, since Dez was married. But Dez was the most sought out member by girls when they toured. And Jesse trumped Dez when The Time started to tour. All of that didn't sit well with P, who of course, wanted to be the only brother who got the attention from women.

blackguitaristz said:

I don't know if I believe that. Why would that matter to Prince, didn't he already have his harem around him? Susan Moonsie, Vanity, Jill, etc?

kstrat said:

same thing happened with Miko.I read somewhere they hired Jesse cuz he pretty much looked like Prince!
P most definately cut several tracks waaay before there was any other involvement from other players. That was always the case. P only used another musician when he wanted something that he himself couldn't capture. The only reson Jesse got to do a solo was because Jungle Love was his song. And as I have mentioned several times on here in the past, the drama that went down regarding the solo, or lack of it, on Jungle Love is waaay out. P basically edited much of Jesse's lead work on that song. All of when Jesse wasn't present in the studio. Which caused much tension between P and Jesse. P always respected Jesse as a lead guitarist but there was always some envy there as well. Not just Jesse's playing but his image and 'coolness" that dictated somewhat of what P himself will later do. And Jesse was VERY popular with the girls. Something P had already had a problem with having Dez in the band. It wasn't as bad with Dez, since Dez was married. But Dez was the most sought out member by girls when they toured. And Jesse trumped Dez when The Time started to tour. All of that didn't sit well with P, who of course, wanted to be the only brother who got the attention from women.

blackguitaristz said:

Jezebel said:

Its very well documented that Prince has many insecurities when it comes to "WHO's THE MAN" issues...check out Alex Hahns book Possessed for just a small sample.

dseann said:

To a lesser extent, Alexander O'Neal? Uh, Alex NEVER sung lead with The Time. The only cut Jesse played on with The Time is Jungle Love. That's P on My Drawers.

Oh dear this old chesnut again....

Prince wins.


(that is all)

blackguitaristz said:

Really? That was Prince on My Draws? "Jesse, if you could play guitar, I'll warm up the car and me and this girl could see the sunrise" That was Prince? I never knew that. The guitar solo I was referring to more than any other in my post was from Jungle Love though.

dseann said:

Why do they say it's Jesse when it's Prince?

I love P's axe..he just has a knack for choosing interesting chords and unexpected notes..but JJ's " I'm Just Wanting You"...and the double guitar effect...the org just gotta give props to that...