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Printable ian said: BBC website reporting on the whole London aftershow tickets fiasco... and the Org gets a mention:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/h...942963.stm I went to the aftershow on Tuesday 7th August, after the main show and when i bought my tickets for the aftershow the previous night, i was told there was no guarentee that Prince would be there, but 4 £25 i'd would have rather risk losing my £25 then not seeing him!!! Anyway, this cool band was on very santana!!! and 5 songs into their set, Prince just walked on stage it was brilliant, he came over to the right side of the stage and I got to touched his hand TWICE"!!! Cannot and won't shut up about it, well worth £25 and i would of paid more even if P hadn't shown up that band was really good, and remember people its all about the music!!!!   TWICE!!!!! | |
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Se7enkisses said: he came over to the right side of the stage and I got to touched his hand TWICE"!!! Cannot and won't shut up about it,
And this is why Prince needs so much security from the fam sheep!  . |
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SquirrelMeat said: Militant said: prince's site said from the jump that he would not be guaranteed to perform at the aftershows. No it didn't. In fact, it leant heavily on suggesting you could "jam with Prince". [Edited 8/13/07 2:01am] The key words being "suggesting" and "could". |
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moderatorI live in America,I havenot attended any of the London shows this year so far, but just my two cents.I have been a Prince fan for many years and an aftershow always meant an aftershow. If Prince wasn't guarented to perform it was labeled an afterparty. These tickets should have never been sold labeled aftershow. | |
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Militant said: SquirrelMeat said: No it didn't. In fact, it leant heavily on suggesting you could "jam with Prince". [Edited 8/13/07 2:01am] The key words being "suggesting" and "could". Key words are important. What about the ones used to catagorise the aftershow ticket sales on Ticketmaster. The words "Concert" and "Prince"?? . |
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lovebird said: I live in America,I havenot attended any of the London shows this year so far, but just my two cents.I have been a Prince fan for many years and an aftershow always meant an aftershow. If Prince wasn't guarented to perform it was labeled an afterparty. These tickets should have never been sold labeled aftershow.
Exactly. I've been to 20 aftershows before this run and never been let down, simply because I always chose to attend the aftershows, and avoid the afterparties. Used to be simple! . |
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OperatingThetan said: If people really thought that Prince would perform 42 concerts and that such Aftershow performances were guranteed, when it was never stated or written anywhere that such appearances were guaranteed, then they are not only 'spoilt brats' but total fantasists.
If they want to complain about something they imagined and created in their own expectations and fuck-up Prince's stay and the chances for further shows and Aftershow performances, so be it. Aftershow performances have NEVER been guaranteed all Prince's career. In London in 2002, I attended three to get one 45 minute performance. What has changed in 2007? Why does tickets being sold through Ticketmaster totally change Prince's arrangements and attitude? It doesn't. It is the fans who have jumped to conclusions because the tickets were being sold through TM. Flame me all you like, but I challenge you to find one, single instance where Prince performances were guaranteed at Aftershows in writing. If you can't provide evidence for believing Prince was guaranteed to perform this is all in your fucking heads isn't it? I do kinda understand why people are upset but they should know that it would be unlikely that he would play all the aftershows booked and it really is a bit of sour grapes cos its not as though you get nothing, you do get a DJ, a club night and usually a band - ok maybe not Prince but it was the same in Vegas he didn't play every aftershow there either. Give the guy a break sometimes he needs to rest. Its worth the money just on the off chance like I did on Friday when he wasn't supposed to be playing then came on with Beverley Knight and blew the place away. Maybe sometimes it snows in August at the O2 !! | |
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technically when prince plays after a main show it's an "aftershow concert". they've just sold tickets as an "aftershow", it doesn't say "aftershow party" or "aftershow concert", although asides from saturday nite where they did warn people before they were let in (i'm not sure what happened, but the stage was setup and soundchecked before they let people in, and the curtain onstage blocked what was happening, but a few mins after we were let in the lights were on, i presume to allow for the stage gear to be dismantled - my understanding was that a show was planned but cancelled, based on various things i've heard. even rashida turned up and left), technically there was an "aftershow concert" every nite as apart from saturday there was live music every nite, and apart from the first fridays show, prince performed at them all. "aftershow" is just a term for something happening after a show, and when most bands talk about an aftershow, they mean a party after the show, as very few bands play, or have any other band play, after the main show. it's only really in the prince community that the term aftershow means an aftershow concert, due to the legendary aftershow performances in the past (even recent past such as vegas)
they never advertised at any point that prince and the band would be playing, in fact they never advertised what anyone was going to get at all. it's purely peoples expectations, along with a press release, that led people to think that prince was going to perform in the indigo2 every nite the indigo2 has had and is selling tickets for other aftershows, such as bon jovi, where there was only a dj, justin timberlake, where timberland played live, and the rolling stones (not sure whats going on, but i presume a dj). they fall under the concerts section of ticketmaster as thats the most appropriate section to list them, especially so they could be listed beside the main event. car parking for concerts is also listed under concerts, so just because something comes under that heading doesn't mean what you are paying for is a concert it does seem however that the sale of tickets for the shows hasn't been planned and executed as well as it could have, OR it was intendd to happen in this way. personally, based on a number of things i've seen, heard and experienced, i really don't think it was intended this way, and i don't think one party is entirely to blame, i think it's a combination of a number of things, with poor communication between the different parties being the main cause of the problem. most fans are aware that prince can change his mind like the weather, but the promotors, ticketmaster, and venue management probably wouldn't be aware of this, instead being used to simply advertising and organising shows where the artist plays whether rain or shine, and thus they haven't listed the aftershows in such a way as to appear vague enough to cover eventualities were prince won't show or play, but also in a way so it's less vague and more descriptive than the original description. the original description was so vage they will be covered legally as they didn't mention what was going to happen at the aftershow, but the unfortunate side effect was that some fans made the assumption that he was going to play at all of them, although ticketmaster can't really be blamed for people making wrong assumptions, and it's quite possible that they merely listed what the promotor asked them to list (ie. it's AEG's wording) i don't think the management of the indigo2 are happy with whats going on either, as they have to deal with all the hassle and complaints on the nite. the security people are having a really hard time in having to deal with drunk and upset fans who stand around waiting for hours to see if prince will play or not i think it's too late now to resolve these issues, but i think it's important to be technically accurate if anyone is going to complain or dispute anything, as i noticed with some previous complaints that they lacked organisation and direction as well as being greatly flawed, thus time and energy spent complaining goes to waste instead of reaching an acheivable goal i think prince is just going to carry on playing what he wants when he wants, and i think on most nites a support act will play the aftershows, and prince may join them if he is in the mood, and perhaps might play with his own band if he feels like it. no amount of complaining is going to change that. i think simply put, the fans want to turn up and see prince perform at the aftershow, and a refunded ticket isn't a great substitute, although i don't think anyone is going to have much luck in getting refunds as no prince peformance was described at point of sale. certainly if people continue to complain in such a technically inaccurate and directionless manner as i've read on various sites online, they aren't just going to fail in obtaining a refund, but they are going to be wasting thier time and perhaps be further dissapointed i think people are just going to have to accept that if you have bought a ticket for the aftershow, ther is a 50/50 chance he will play or not. that is, he either will, or he won't, and if you go along with no expectations of seeing him play, and just looking to continue the fun from the main show into the nite, then you can only be pleasantly surprised if he does make an appearance - and that is what i understand the intention of these aftershows is all about | |
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unique said: technically when prince plays after a main show it's an "aftershow concert". they've just sold tickets as an "aftershow", it doesn't say "aftershow party" or "aftershow concert", although asides from saturday nite where they did warn people before they were let in (i'm not sure what happened, but the stage was setup and soundchecked before they let people in, and the curtain onstage blocked what was happening, but a few mins after we were let in the lights were on, i presume to allow for the stage gear to be dismantled - my understanding was that a show was planned but cancelled, based on various things i've heard. even rashida turned up and left), technically there was an "aftershow concert" every nite as apart from saturday there was live music every nite, and apart from the first fridays show, prince performed at them all. "aftershow" is just a term for something happening after a show, and when most bands talk about an aftershow, they mean a party after the show, as very few bands play, or have any other band play, after the main show. it's only really in the prince community that the term aftershow means an aftershow concert, due to the legendary aftershow performances in the past (even recent past such as vegas)
they never advertised at any point that prince and the band would be playing, in fact they never advertised what anyone was going to get at all. it's purely peoples expectations, along with a press release, that led people to think that prince was going to perform in the indigo2 every nite the indigo2 has had and is selling tickets for other aftershows, such as bon jovi, where there was only a dj, justin timberlake, where timberland played live, and the rolling stones (not sure whats going on, but i presume a dj). they fall under the concerts section of ticketmaster as thats the most appropriate section to list them, especially so they could be listed beside the main event. car parking for concerts is also listed under concerts, so just because something comes under that heading doesn't mean what you are paying for is a concert it does seem however that the sale of tickets for the shows hasn't been planned and executed as well as it could have, OR it was intendd to happen in this way. personally, based on a number of things i've seen, heard and experienced, i really don't think it was intended this way, and i don't think one party is entirely to blame, i think it's a combination of a number of things, with poor communication between the different parties being the main cause of the problem. most fans are aware that prince can change his mind like the weather, but the promotors, ticketmaster, and venue management probably wouldn't be aware of this, instead being used to simply advertising and organising shows where the artist plays whether rain or shine, and thus they haven't listed the aftershows in such a way as to appear vague enough to cover eventualities were prince won't show or play, but also in a way so it's less vague and more descriptive than the original description. the original description was so vage they will be covered legally as they didn't mention what was going to happen at the aftershow, but the unfortunate side effect was that some fans made the assumption that he was going to play at all of them, although ticketmaster can't really be blamed for people making wrong assumptions, and it's quite possible that they merely listed what the promotor asked them to list (ie. it's AEG's wording) i don't think the management of the indigo2 are happy with whats going on either, as they have to deal with all the hassle and complaints on the nite. the security people are having a really hard time in having to deal with drunk and upset fans who stand around waiting for hours to see if prince will play or not i think it's too late now to resolve these issues, but i think it's important to be technically accurate if anyone is going to complain or dispute anything, as i noticed with some previous complaints that they lacked organisation and direction as well as being greatly flawed, thus time and energy spent complaining goes to waste instead of reaching an acheivable goal i think prince is just going to carry on playing what he wants when he wants, and i think on most nites a support act will play the aftershows, and prince may join them if he is in the mood, and perhaps might play with his own band if he feels like it. no amount of complaining is going to change that. i think simply put, the fans want to turn up and see prince perform at the aftershow, and a refunded ticket isn't a great substitute, although i don't think anyone is going to have much luck in getting refunds as no prince peformance was described at point of sale. certainly if people continue to complain in such a technically inaccurate and directionless manner as i've read on various sites online, they aren't just going to fail in obtaining a refund, but they are going to be wasting thier time and perhaps be further dissapointed i think people are just going to have to accept that if you have bought a ticket for the aftershow, ther is a 50/50 chance he will play or not. that is, he either will, or he won't, and if you go along with no expectations of seeing him play, and just looking to continue the fun from the main show into the nite, then you can only be pleasantly surprised if he does make an appearance - and that is what i understand the intention of these aftershows is all about Well put! 
I'm with you apart from the refund bit. There is a clear case for a refund, via mis-representation in the sale. The fact that they have now changed the wording only emphasises this. We'll have to wait and see if they give refunds!  . |
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A shame he decided not to play at the Indigo on Saturday night. I was really looking forward to some improtu Prince jamming. The main show was ok. But very similar to the Musicology tour. Not much rehearsal required there. As equality grows, violence declines. |
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jdcxc said: OperatingThetan said: If people really thought that Prince would perform 42 concerts and that such Aftershow performances were guranteed, when it was never stated or written anywhere that such appearances were guaranteed, then they are not only 'spoilt brats' but total fantasists.
If they want to complain about something they imagined and created in their own expectations and fuck-up Prince's stay and the chances for further shows and Aftershow performances, so be it. Aftershow performances have NEVER been guaranteed all Prince's career. In London in 2002, I attended three to get one 45 minute performance. What has changed in 2007? Why does tickets being sold through Ticketmaster totally change Prince's arrangements and attitude? It doesn't. It is the fans who have jumped to conclusions because the tickets were being sold through TM. Flame me all you like, but I challenge you to find one, single instance where Prince performances were guaranteed at Aftershows in writing. If you can't provide evidence for believing Prince was guaranteed to perform this is all in your fucking heads isn't it? You're exactly right. It's just a bunch of entitled, whining idiots. They're going to take a special thing and turn into another business arrangement. The whole unpredictable nature of afterhour shows is what make them so extraordinary. I believed this is being fueled by the fairweather fans who scream for Purple Rain throught each concert. I agree! This is nuts. Aftershows are spontaneous, not scheduled. I cannot believe all the complaining. Fine - you don't like the way things are going in London? Keep bitching and he'll come back home to stay. We're waiting for him here, and look forward to every minute. Ungrateful children. Anyone familiar with Prince concerts knows he has his own schedule and would NEVER lock himself into aftershows ahead of time. He plays when he feels like it. If he does not play, it's an AFTERPARTY, and that's cool too. | |
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feelUup said: Aftershows are spontaneous, not scheduled. I cannot believe all the complaining.
So whats the SCHEDULE of dates over at ticketmaster then!?  . |
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SquirrelMeat said: feelUup said: Aftershows are spontaneous, not scheduled. I cannot believe all the complaining.
So whats the SCHEDULE of dates over at ticketmaster then!? | |
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Electrostar said: A shame he decided not to play at the Indigo on Saturday night. I was really looking forward to some improtu Prince jamming. The main show was ok. But very similar to the Musicology tour. Not much rehearsal required there.
it's a completely different band, and the first time they have toured together, so a lot of rehearsing would have been required (i think thats what vegas was for, so the band could get thier chops). renato was the only member of the current band who played at the musicolgoy tour. josh and cora only became band members last year | |
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SquirrelMeat said: Well put!
I'm with you apart from the refund bit. There is a clear case for a refund, via mis-representation in the sale. The fact that they have now changed the wording only emphasises this. We'll have to wait and see if they give refunds! there's no misrepresentation as they didn't tell you what you were getting at point of sale. the wording was probably changed to avoid any further confusion | |
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unique said: SquirrelMeat said: Well put!
I'm with you apart from the refund bit. There is a clear case for a refund, via mis-representation in the sale. The fact that they have now changed the wording only emphasises this. We'll have to wait and see if they give refunds! there's no misrepresentation as they didn't tell you what you were getting at point of sale. the wording was probably changed to avoid any further confusion But if they felt there words may have been confusing, there is a very big chance it can be considered consumer sales mis-respresentation. Confusing the customer can be deemed a break of code if it effects the essence of the sale. Anyway, this one will go round and round and round! We'll soon see. Maybe the, me, the small claims court and all the complaining people are wrong. Time will tell if they get a refund or not. . |
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Lothan said: SquirrelMeat said: So whats the SCHEDULE of dates over at ticketmaster then!? Sense doesn't go down well on the org! . |
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SquirrelMeat said: Lothan said: Stop making sense Squirrel.
Sense doesn't go down well on the org! | |
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Lothan said: SquirrelMeat said: Sense doesn't go down well on the org! Yeah and I guess by the mere fact of ur being present here, sense is overrated. | |
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adorable2 said: Lothan said: Nope, sure doesn't.
Yeah and I guess by the mere fact of ur being present here, sense is overrated.
Backhanded attempts to insult me crack me up. | |
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Lothan said: adorable2 said: Yeah and I guess by the mere fact of ur being present here, sense is overrated.
Backhanded attempts to insult me crack me up. Yeah me too but I still don't quite understand why almost every thread on this org turns into an opportunity to bash the org as a whole. | |
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All in all what i think Prince should do is NOT sell these tickets in advance since anything can happen, he never used to sell Aftershow/party tickets in advance so he shouldnt now, with the exception of the Musicology tour i have never seen him sell tickets like that in advance, and all the other shows i have been at its announced on the PA or Prince will say, "aftershow at such and such" and then people race down there and try to get in, and 99% of the time the venue he books tells people "he not guaranteed to be here" he needs to just go back to that way of doing things again. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: All in all what i think Prince should do is NOT sell these tickets in advance since anything can happen, he never used to sell Aftershow/party tickets in advance so he shouldnt now, with the exception of the Musicology tour i have never seen him sell tickets like that in advance, and all the other shows i have been at its announced on the PA or Prince will say, "aftershow at such and such" and then people race down there and try to get in, and 99% of the time the venue he books tells people "he not guaranteed to be here" he needs to just go back to that way of doing things again. I agree with this. | |
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herb4 said: adorable2 said: It could just be me but this article makes P fans sound like spoiled brats. Complaining and contacting ticketmaster for refunds because P doesn't show up to the afterparties. The thing is it is a bit confusing because if the tickets were promoted as "aftershows" then the people who bought tickets thought P would show up to Indigo to play. The mix up is in the wording. It should have been made clear from the onset whether these would be afterparties with unpredictable appearances or aftershows with guaranteed attendance of P and the band..
Agreed. The dude's 49 years old. He's gotta sleep sometime! Ditto.. What the fuck.... The road you choose to walk in this life, is a road that leads to the next..... | |
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Prince is out there performing for 21 nights and you guys are still complaining !!! Consider yourselves lucky!! If he does not show at a aftershow just go to his regular concerts. He is sure to perform (unless he is a no show), you are lucky he is a workaholic. I wish he was performing 21 nights in NYC. 
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unique said: Electrostar said: A shame he decided not to play at the Indigo on Saturday night. I was really looking forward to some improtu Prince jamming. The main show was ok. But very similar to the Musicology tour. Not much rehearsal required there.
it's a completely different band, and the first time they have toured together, so a lot of rehearsing would have been required (i think thats what vegas was for, so the band could get thier chops). renato was the only member of the current band who played at the musicolgoy tour. josh and cora only became band members last year Musicians of that calibre can pick things up pretty quickly and the two shows i saw were very similar. Not grumbling! I just wish that Prince could of guaranteed an alternative performance for his hardcore fans. After all we did keep a roof over his head while he retracted from the public eye. As equality grows, violence declines. |
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janurse123 said: Militant said: Its same damn thing no matter what words you use. Afterparty. Aftershow, short for aftershow party, which surprisingly is a party, after the show. If you bought tickets because "well, that's what it SOUNDS like" then you have no room to complain. You didn't do your research. That's no ones fault but yours. As for expecting some sort of show, yeah given the ticket price that's fair enough, and I've said as much. And there HAS been shows. There's been Nikka Costa, there's been Dr John, there's been Beverley Knight. You are arguing that you expect there to be a show and there has been, every night with the exception of last night when evidently something went wrong. So what the hell was the point of you saying that? If you believe its ticketmasters fault....like I said go ahead and phone them up. Its unnecessary, and because of that you and others are pushing negativity towards not only Prince, but this site and housequake as well. You think Prince hasn't read that BBC article? You think other people reading that article won't be left with a gross misunderstanding of the whole affair and think that Prince fans are a bunch of fucking ungrateful complainers? Thanks for managing to tar us all with the same brush. If I were a mod here I would have closed all those threads and told everyone to take up any personal issues with ticketmaster. Some of the American folks here have said they can't wait for Prince to come home as they've never seen such complaining and ungratefulness. Frankly I don't blame them. Many more people knew that an aftershow party is not a guaranteed Prince performance, bought their tickets and had a great time whether he showed up or not. It's such a shame that a few whiners with no reasonable argument and leg to stand on have probably tarnished Prince's image of the UK and his fanbase here and managed to drag down the names of the two most prominent Prince fansites in the process. Some of us are just whingers ! some of us have reason to complain, sorry dear I'm not going to go away! In May 2007 I learned that Prince was to perform at the o2 arena in London (o2 owned and managed by Aeg Worldwide), as I was staying in London for a wedding on 4th Aug I tried to buy tickets for £31.21 the price of the tickets advertised (through Ticketmaster the sole agents) The only tickets available were VIP TICKETS £235 each, due to the press releases by AEG and the PR company and website information stating the first 14 dates were sold out! (I have copies)and having promised my son and daughter I would take them to see Prince I felt I had no alternative but to buy these tickets 3 x £235. I did not wish to attend the preshow party with canapés and 3 complementary drinks I only wished to see the performer. I subsequently found out that batches of £31.21 tickets were being released and I along with hundreds of others requested a refund and exchange of tickets, I know from the Prince Forums that quite a lot were exchanged and refunds given after I made the request (again documentary evidence). I am aware that many have complained to BBC watchdog and Greenwich trading standards and S.T.A R (ticket retailers association) I was repeatedly refused any help by Ticketmaster. I, along with my son and daughter attended the performance, however problems ensued, I had to attend to a lady who was at the end of our row of seats, she was on the floor crying, only after I started to see to her did the stewards arrive. This lady and her male partner were escorted away by security and their seats were taken by some males. These males were aggressive and I subsequently found out my son was bullied out of his seat, (I later found he had returned to the hotel) I requested help from a steward who was American the same as the 5 aggressive substance intoxicated males involved, she ignored my request and I feel failed in her duty of care, thereby allowing the situation to escalate, I also believe she had poor risk assessment abilities/training. We were so intimidated it resulted in myself and my daughter attempting to leave the event, as I left I was sexually assaulted to which my daughter who was behind me reacted instinctively by hitting the male who had hold of me. She was then grabbed and pushed over resulting in the property in her hand being lost and her camera broken. I then demanded to see the manager of the event, we were taken to an area and security attempted to quash the incident, even bringing one of the assailants over to us to speak to us, asking us to go somewhere quiet with him to talk about it! I found this particularly disturbing as he had sexually assaulted me. there is more to this story, i.e. the police not allowed into the arena as they have their own security (I have just checked with Greenwich Police and this was confirmed), The after show party I did not feel I could attend in the event these males were present (3 x £25 tickets) another reason was seeing people who were so drunk they were unable to walk straight being admitted to the Indigo club (documentary evidence of people who were inside the club discussing on the forums the unconscious people on the dance floor) The fact we were paddling in beer and bottles at a seated event (photo) scratches on my back(photo),so many patrons drunk and still being allowed to purchase alcohol(forum statements), and more worrying, in the event of an emergency evacuation it was glaringly obvious that a number of the 22.000 crowd were in danger due the drunks and obstacles/hazards they would need to navigate. I also have concerns that events such as this are not recorded by the police therefore when O2 (Aeg) submit alcohol licensing applications it appears there are no problems at this venue. I have been a huge Prince fan for over 20 years, and this was to be a once in a lifetime event for myself, my daughter and my son. The part of the performance I saw was fantastic; however the evening will always be remembered with a sick feeling following the actions of all the parties mentioned. I am so disappointed and feel this should NEVER happen to anyone again. I feel so strongly that the health and safety of patrons, along with the consumer rights are severely compromised by AEG, that I will forward my concerns to XXXXX CITY Council ahead of their decision to award the contract for the building and management of the new multimillion pound Arena. I believe AEG may consider they are strong contenders. XXXXX City Council do not deserve a company such as this. NEITHER DO WE! Not blaming Prince !!! the show I saw was fantastic, the people around him are to blame for 99 percent of the problems, You Americans are obviously valued customers, we in the uk appeared to be here to generate $$$$$[Edited 8/12/07 16:19pm] Can you say that in one sentence please?  | |
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Se7enkisses said: ian said: BBC website reporting on the whole London aftershow tickets fiasco... and the Org gets a mention:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/h...942963.stm I went to the aftershow on Tuesday 7th August, after the main show and when i bought my tickets for the aftershow the previous night, i was told there was no guarentee that Prince would be there, but 4 £25 i'd would have rather risk losing my £25 then not seeing him!!! Anyway, this cool band was on very santana!!! and 5 songs into their set, Prince just walked on stage it was brilliant, he came over to the right side of the stage and I got to touched his hand TWICE"!!! Cannot and won't shut up about it, well worth £25 and i would of paid more even if P hadn't shown up that band was really good, and remember people its all about the music!!!! TWICE!!!!!Lucky you! I would not shut up about that too! | |
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SquirrelMeat said: unique said: there's no misrepresentation as they didn't tell you what you were getting at point of sale. the wording was probably changed to avoid any further confusion But if they felt there words may have been confusing, there is a very big chance it can be considered consumer sales mis-respresentation. Confusing the customer can be deemed a break of code if it effects the essence of the sale. Anyway, this one will go round and round and round! We'll soon see. Maybe the, me, the small claims court and all the complaining people are wrong. Time will tell if they get a refund or not. Do that and guarantee yourselves that Prince will probably NEVER perform in London again ! | |
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