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Thread started 08/12/07 7:00am

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BBC website reports on the aftershow confusion

BBC website reporting on the whole London aftershow tickets fiasco... and the Org gets a mention:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/h...942963.stm
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Reply #1 posted 08/12/07 7:07am

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It could just be me but this article makes P fans sound like spoiled brats. Complaining and contacting ticketmaster for refunds because P doesn't show up to the afterparties. The thing is it is a bit confusing because if the tickets were promoted as "aftershows" then the people who bought tickets thought P would show up to Indigo to play. The mix up is in the wording. It should have been made clear from the onset whether these would be afterparties with unpredictable appearances or aftershows with guaranteed attendance of P and the band..
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Reply #2 posted 08/12/07 7:19am

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Prince fans warned of 'no-show'
Prince fans are being warned the star and his band may not appear at the "official aftershow" event which follows his gigs at London's O2 arena.
The guitarist's 21-night tour includes parties at the smaller Indigo2 venue.

Fans on chat forums have complained he has sometimes failed to appear at these or has played for only a few minutes.

Prince's website now says that when there are arena gigs on consecutive days, "the band usually opts to rest" instead of appearing at Indigo2.

"If the next day is free, though, watch out," continues the statement.

It adds that this sequence of events is "the way it's shaping up" as the tour progresses.


Many fans who booked tickets to the concerts in the main arena received promotional e-mails from agency Ticketmaster, highlighting the addition of the "aftershow" events to the tour schedule.
The agency's website promotes the "aftershow" as "the white hot place to hang for those still in need of some serious grooves". Tickets cost £75 and £25.

It also states: "Please be aware that Prince and the band are not guaranteed to perform, but as we all know with these cats - expect the unexpected."

A notice was also placed on Prince's own site saying that he would not be playing at Friday night's "aftershow".

However, fans on chat forums such as prince.org and housequake.com have alleged these messages were not prominently displayed when they booked tickets.

They said they had the impression that these "aftershow" events were further Prince concerts.

There has also been confusion because sometimes Prince does turn up at these gigs, so fans are waiting until the events end at about 0500 BST to see if he will play.

Some people claimed they had been contacting Ticketmaster to request refunds.

The star has been playing sets of about two hours in length in the main O2 arena, running through many of his hits, including Purple Rain, Alphabet Street and Kiss.

He said he had prepared 150 songs for his musicians, who include Maceo Parker, formerly a saxophonist in James Brown's band.

Neither Ticketmaster nor the O2 arena could be reached for comment, while promoter AEG referred calls to Prince's PR representative, who was also unavailable.
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Reply #3 posted 08/12/07 7:23am

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I don't think any fan would ever have "expected" an aftershow or considered complaining etc if not for the fact that the arrangements were all so formalized this time around, with money changing hands etc. The simple fact is, every Prince fan knows Prince's aftershow performances are awesome. So when Ticketmaster started selling tickets to something called "Prince - the Official Aftershow at Indigo2" (without any indication or warning that no performance was guaranteed - the warnings arrived later) it is hardly surprising that we all reached in our pockets to buy tickets.

It's unfortunate, and it isn't clear where the fault lies. What could have been handled better though, is the response to the fuckup. Realistically, no one expects Prince to play that many aftershow performances, but someone (ie. AEG and Ticketmaster) should have responded to the complaints. Charging people £25 - £75 for the dubious privilege of standing in a poncy bar for hours into the night is obviously taking the piss. IMO.

As for fans sounding like "spoiled brats"... frankly, unless you're rich enough that you wouldn't bend over to pick up £50 that you dropped on the ground, I don't blame anyone for complaining.
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Reply #4 posted 08/12/07 7:31am

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ian said:

I don't think any fan would ever have "expected" an aftershow or considered complaining etc if not for the fact that the arrangements were all so formalized this time around, with money changing hands etc. The simple fact is, every Prince fan knows Prince's aftershow performances are awesome. So when Ticketmaster started selling tickets to something called "Prince - the Official Aftershow at Indigo2" (without any indication or warning that no performance was guaranteed - the warnings arrived later) it is hardly surprising that we all reached in our pockets to buy tickets.

It's unfortunate, and it isn't clear where the fault lies. What could have been handled better though, is the response to the fuckup. Realistically, no one expects Prince to play that many aftershow performances, but someone (ie. AEG and Ticketmaster) should have responded to the complaints. Charging people £25 - £75 for the dubious privilege of standing in a poncy bar for hours into the night is obviously taking the piss. IMO.

As for fans sounding like "spoiled brats"... frankly, unless you're rich enough that you wouldn't bend over to pick up £50 that you dropped on the ground, I don't blame anyone for complaining.
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OK I certainly hope not but I know this was in response to my post so if u carefully re read it u will see I made the same point as u did. I said the article made P fans sound like "spoiled brats" not that I think they are spoiled brats. I can read from the article that the ticket sales were promoted as special aftershows and see that people bought these tickets thinking they would see P perform at the aftershow. Still the article does make the complainers seem like spoiled brats even going as far as to mention Housequake and the org in particular...
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Reply #5 posted 08/12/07 7:53am

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adorable2 said:

OK I certainly hope not but I know this was in response to my post so if u carefully re read it u will see I made the same point as u did. I said the article made P fans sound like "spoiled brats" not that I think they are spoiled brats. I can read from the article that the ticket sales were promoted as special aftershows and see that people bought these tickets thinking they would see P perform at the aftershow. Still the article does make the complainers seem like spoiled brats even going as far as to mention Housequake and the org in particular...
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Ah, I wasn't so much commenting on your views (I do agree with what you said), but rather on the people who might take away the impression you described (of fans being spoiled, complaining over nothing etc). There's been a little of that in the Concerts forum - some fans have been delighted with the aftershows, some haven't.

It'd just be nice to see a little solidarity and support. It's not about having a go at Prince or demanding aftershow performances etc. Prince doesn't come by this way very often, we're all appreciate and grateful for any shows we're lucky enough to see. The complaints have more to do with the way Ticketmaster and AEG have mis-represented the event and their subsequent handling of complaints. Some people have travelled far and wide to see Prince, and £25+fees per ticket is fair chunk of money for anyone who works for a living, people with families etc. Put it this way - if you could only afford to go on one night, and it turned out on that night that you'd spent your money for the honour of hearing a DJ spin discs in a bar, it'd be pretty disappointing.
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Reply #6 posted 08/12/07 8:00am

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If people really thought that Prince would perform 42 concerts and that such Aftershow performances were guranteed, when it was never stated or written anywhere that such appearances were guaranteed, then they are not only 'spoilt brats' but total fantasists.

If they want to complain about something they imagined and created in their own expectations and fuck-up Prince's stay and the chances for further shows and Aftershow performances, so be it.

Aftershow performances have NEVER been guaranteed all Prince's career. In London in 2002, I attended three to get one 45 minute performance. What has changed in 2007? Why does tickets being sold through Ticketmaster totally change Prince's arrangements and attitude?

It doesn't. It is the fans who have jumped to conclusions because the tickets were being sold through TM.

Flame me all you like, but I challenge you to find one, single instance where Prince performances were guaranteed at Aftershows in writing.

If you can't provide evidence for believing Prince was guaranteed to perform this is all in your fucking heads isn't it?
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Reply #7 posted 08/12/07 8:03am

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ian said:

adorable2 said:

OK I certainly hope not but I know this was in response to my post so if u carefully re read it u will see I made the same point as u did. I said the article made P fans sound like "spoiled brats" not that I think they are spoiled brats. I can read from the article that the ticket sales were promoted as special aftershows and see that people bought these tickets thinking they would see P perform at the aftershow. Still the article does make the complainers seem like spoiled brats even going as far as to mention Housequake and the org in particular...
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Ah, I wasn't so much commenting on your views (I do agree with what you said), but rather on the people who might take away the impression you described (of fans being spoiled, complaining over nothing etc). There's been a little of that in the Concerts forum - some fans have been delighted with the aftershows, some haven't.

It'd just be nice to see a little solidarity and support. It's not about having a go at Prince or demanding aftershow performances etc. Prince doesn't come by this way very often, we're all appreciate and grateful for any shows we're lucky enough to see. The complaints have more to do with the way Ticketmaster and AEG have mis-represented the event and their subsequent handling of complaints. Some people have travelled far and wide to see Prince, and £25+fees per ticket is fair chunk of money for anyone who works for a living, people with families etc. Put it this way - if you could only afford to go on one night, and it turned out on that night that you'd spent your money for the honour of hearing a DJ spin discs in a bar, it'd be pretty disappointing.


I totally agree with u. I think the people who shelled out that extra money were expecting to see P at the aftershows and I imagine that must have been very dissapointing. I think Ticketmaster and AEG were wrong and should take on some responsiblility or misadvertising the events and taking people's money under false circumstances.
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Reply #8 posted 08/12/07 8:04am

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i really see this as AEG/Ticketmaster's screw-up, and not so much Prince's fault. I think they're taking advantage of Prince's reputation as a live performance workhorse and dangling that carrot in front of fans' faces, while Prince's people, in the best possible way they are able, are doing their best to basically say "whoa, hold up, these are afterPARTIES and Prince will show up and play as he's able...nothing is promised, just expect to go and have a good time after the show."

Short of Prince making this announcement his own damn self in the middle of each O2 show, I don't know what else he can do to set people's expectations right...and who knows if he'd even be ALLOWED to make such a statement during the O2 shows? shrug

I think here in the states, we know what time it is with the aftershows/afterparties...when Prince was in Chicago during the Musicology tour, there were several afterparties and one aftershow. Sure, we went to the afterparties thinking it MIGHT turn into a concert, and Prince did show up and gawk at us from his VIP balcony for a few seconds, but we knew what to expect and we just had a good time famming out about the show we'd just seen. Anything else would have been gravy.

It'd be nice if all parties involved could get it together enough to say "this night is an afterSHOW and this night is an afterPARTY", but who knows what the mitigating circumstances are? I think on the purple paisley end of things, they're doing the best they can to temper expectations. It's the promoters who I think are spiking expectations.
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Reply #9 posted 08/12/07 8:11am

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Aftershow performances have NEVER been guaranteed all Prince's career. In London in 2002, I attended three to get one 45 minute performance. What has changed in 2007? Why does tickets being sold through Ticketmaster totally change Prince's arrangements and attitude?


To answer your question - money.

If you're selling tickets in advance via Ticketmaster to something called "Prince - the Official Aftershow", for damn near the same price as the main arena performances, it isn't all that surprising that people might expect a show of some description. Not everyone is as cynical and knowledgeable as you are - no doubt many people saw the listing on Ticketmaster and thought "wow, I've always wanted to go to a Prince aftershow, and it seems like the whole thing has been properly organised this time so now's my chance".

No one would ever have expected aftershow performances if not for that fact that Ticketmaster / AEG sold tickets for £25+fees. I'll counter your question with one of my own: how many bars sell tickets in advance via Ticketmaster to guarantee admission, when there's no actual show?

Certainly I agree that anyone who really expected Prince to play that many aftershows was inevitably going to be disappointed, but the issue here is not "Prince is such a jerk for not playing an extra show!" but rather "Ticketmaster / AEG have misrepresented what the event actually was, what the tickets were for, and have thus far failed to resolve the issue in a prompt and reasonable manner. It's their mistake, and they should sort it. It's a shame Prince is the one getting bad press out of this, because the problem appears to have been more on the Ticketmaster and AEG side of things.
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Reply #10 posted 08/12/07 8:22am

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Anxiety said:

i really see this as AEG/Ticketmaster's screw-up, and not so much Prince's fault. I think they're taking advantage of Prince's reputation as a live performance workhorse and dangling that carrot in front of fans' faces, while Prince's people, in the best possible way they are able, are doing their best to basically say "whoa, hold up, these are afterPARTIES and Prince will show up and play as he's able...nothing is promised, just expect to go and have a good time after the show."

Short of Prince making this announcement his own damn self in the middle of each O2 show, I don't know what else he can do to set people's expectations right...and who knows if he'd even be ALLOWED to make such a statement during the O2 shows? shrug

I think here in the states, we know what time it is with the aftershows/afterparties...when Prince was in Chicago during the Musicology tour, there were several afterparties and one aftershow. Sure, we went to the afterparties thinking it MIGHT turn into a concert, and Prince did show up and gawk at us from his VIP balcony for a few seconds, but we knew what to expect and we just had a good time famming out about the show we'd just seen. Anything else would have been gravy.

It'd be nice if all parties involved could get it together enough to say "this night is an afterSHOW and this night is an afterPARTY", but who knows what the mitigating circumstances are? I think on the purple paisley end of things, they're doing the best they can to temper expectations. It's the promoters who I think are spiking expectations.


Yeah, I agree with all of that really. To be honest, European fans are well used to the way aftershows normally work... all that is different this time around is the way Ticketmaster / AEG pimped it. The whole thing has been more formally arranged and marketed as a series of performance.

To resolve it at this point, there's not much more Prince's people can do. They have my sympathy. One thing Ticketmaster could do though, is:

- For prior "aftershows" where there was no performance at all, give refunds
- For future "aftershows", email everyone who bought tickets saying "A Prince aftershow performance is possible but not guaranteed. Refunds are available in advance if required."

Shows get cancelled and changed all the time, so Ticketmaster certainly have processes for dealing with such problems if they have to.
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Reply #11 posted 08/12/07 8:32am

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adorable2 said:

It could just be me but this article makes P fans sound like spoiled brats. Complaining and contacting ticketmaster for refunds because P doesn't show up to the afterparties. The thing is it is a bit confusing because if the tickets were promoted as "aftershows" then the people who bought tickets thought P would show up to Indigo to play. The mix up is in the wording. It should have been made clear from the onset whether these would be afterparties with unpredictable appearances or aftershows with guaranteed attendance of P and the band..



VERY CLEVER OF THE PROMOTERS TO GET THIS TO MAKE FANS LOOK LIKE IDIOTS wink
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Reply #12 posted 08/12/07 8:41am

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If people really thought that Prince would perform 42 concerts and that such Aftershow performances were guranteed, when it was never stated or written anywhere that such appearances were guaranteed, then they are not only 'spoilt brats' but total fantasists.

If they want to complain about something they imagined and created in their own expectations and fuck-up Prince's stay and the chances for further shows and Aftershow performances, so be it.

Aftershow performances have NEVER been guaranteed all Prince's career. In London in 2002, I attended three to get one 45 minute performance. What has changed in 2007? Why does tickets being sold through Ticketmaster totally change Prince's arrangements and attitude?

It doesn't. It is the fans who have jumped to conclusions because the tickets were being sold through TM.

Flame me all you like, but I challenge you to find one, single instance where Prince performances were guaranteed at Aftershows in writing.

If you can't provide evidence for believing Prince was guaranteed to perform this is all in your fucking heads isn't it?



You're exactly right. It's just a bunch of entitled, whining idiots. They're going to take a special thing and turn into another business arrangement. The whole unpredictable nature of afterhour shows is what make them so extraordinary. I believed this is being fueled by the fairweather fans who scream for Purple Rain throught each concert.
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Reply #13 posted 08/12/07 8:48am

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I can tell you from my experience with the 3121 shows at the Rio in Las Vegas:
The hotel had brochures advertising "Prince Performing Live"..."Every Friday and Saturday". The local "24/7" magazine in the taxi cabs etc for tourists in the 3/07 issue, had Prince on the cover, with an article that states:"Live sets evey weekend" by Prince. (I have the material in front of me now.)
Did he play every Friday and Saturday? No.
He missed shows due to Super Bowl, and BET appearance to name a few.
He eventually extended his performances at the hotel.
After shows aren't guaranteed, but if advertised as such, then, there's a legitimate reason to be disappointed.

Prince probably has in the fine print of his contracts,he can cancel anytime.
He's also known to be unpredictable.
neutral With the 3121 show, a member here lamented on his nonrefundable airline and hotel tickets after Prince cancelled a show.

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Reply #14 posted 08/12/07 8:48am

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jdcxc said:

You're exactly right. It's just a bunch of entitled, whining idiots. They're going to take a special thing and turn into another business arrangement. The whole unpredictable nature of afterhour shows is what make them so extraordinary. I believed this is being fueled by the fairweather fans who scream for Purple Rain throught each concert.


Not at all. This "special thing" was turned into "another business arrangement" the moment Ticketmaster and AEG started selling tickets for £25+fees (and upwards) and pimping it as "Prince - the Official Aftershow".

It's got nothing to do with "fair weather fans" (quite frankly, that kind of elitish snobbery is pretty juvenile - everyone with a vaid ticket has a right to enjoy a Prince show, not just hardcore fans).

Don't get me wrong, I prefer the old unpredictable approach too. In the past, we hoped for an aftershow performance but it was never expected. When you did get into an aftershow, it was a very rare treat. What has changed? Money started changing hands for tickets, in advance. Simple as. When you take someone's money, notionally in exchange for some goods or services, they are "entitled".
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OperatingThetan said:

If people really thought that Prince would perform 42 concerts and that such Aftershow performances were guranteed, when it was never stated or written anywhere that such appearances were guaranteed, then they are not only 'spoilt brats' but total fantasists.

If they want to complain about something they imagined and created in their own expectations and fuck-up Prince's stay and the chances for further shows and Aftershow performances, so be it.

Aftershow performances have NEVER been guaranteed all Prince's career. In London in 2002, I attended three to get one 45 minute performance. What has changed in 2007? Why does tickets being sold through Ticketmaster totally change Prince's arrangements and attitude?

It doesn't. It is the fans who have jumped to conclusions because the tickets were being sold through TM.

Flame me all you like, but I challenge you to find one, single instance where Prince performances were guaranteed at Aftershows in writing.

If you can't provide evidence for believing Prince was guaranteed to perform this is all in your fucking heads isn't it?



I think you are missing the point.

There is no statement that Prince will perform at the main arena either. It all depend in the context of which it was sold. And tickets for the main and after show were sold as concerts.

But you are defending Prince by claiming the tickets never actually said he would perform. Thats like saying you should be able to sue a kettle manufacturer because the instructions didn't say "don't poor boiling water over your head". Every eventuality does not need to be printed.

The fact that Ticketmaster have now altered the wording speaks volumes. The fact that the BBC are now reporting speaks volumes.

And when refunds are given, it will speak volumes. They aren't going to do it for good will. they will do it because they legally have to.
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Reply #16 posted 08/12/07 9:05am

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jdcxc said:

OperatingThetan said:

If people really thought that Prince would perform 42 concerts and that such Aftershow performances were guranteed, when it was never stated or written anywhere that such appearances were guaranteed, then they are not only 'spoilt brats' but total fantasists.

If they want to complain about something they imagined and created in their own expectations and fuck-up Prince's stay and the chances for further shows and Aftershow performances, so be it.

Aftershow performances have NEVER been guaranteed all Prince's career. In London in 2002, I attended three to get one 45 minute performance. What has changed in 2007? Why does tickets being sold through Ticketmaster totally change Prince's arrangements and attitude?

It doesn't. It is the fans who have jumped to conclusions because the tickets were being sold through TM.

Flame me all you like, but I challenge you to find one, single instance where Prince performances were guaranteed at Aftershows in writing.

If you can't provide evidence for believing Prince was guaranteed to perform this is all in your fucking heads isn't it?



You're exactly right. It's just a bunch of entitled, whining idiots. They're going to take a special thing and turn into another business arrangement. The whole unpredictable nature of afterhour shows is what make them so extraordinary. I believed this is being fueled by the fairweather fans who scream for Purple Rain throught each concert.


I'm staggered that some people don't seem to be able to understand the simple concept that prince made it a business arragement the moment he advertised pre booked shows.

If you want the old previous magical shows where Prince can do what he wants, simply don't sell tickets beforehand.
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Well going back to 2004, when Prince played 3 nights at MSG here in NYC he also sold tickets at BB kings billed as "OFFICIAL MUSICOLOGY Prince Afterparty" but he didnt play any of those nights but he was in attendance, usually sitting to the side with the band, and on the last night they showed video of that nights concert on the screen. But usually almost every aftershow i have been too that Prince has actually PERFORMED at, tickets where never sold in advance it was basically a "show" up at the door and pay, So i knew going in that he most likely wasnt going to play when tickets were sold in advance.

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Reply #18 posted 08/12/07 9:16am

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adorable2 said:

It could just be me but this article makes P fans sound like spoiled brats. Complaining and contacting ticketmaster for refunds because P doesn't show up to the afterparties. The thing is it is a bit confusing because if the tickets were promoted as "aftershows" then the people who bought tickets thought P would show up to Indigo to play. The mix up is in the wording. It should have been made clear from the onset whether these would be afterparties with unpredictable appearances or aftershows with guaranteed attendance of P and the band..

Well they are! I was over at housequake and I've never heard such belly-aching talking about how so many people were drunk and they didn't like what he sang and one ass hole even said he left the concert eartly to go to the after show and was pissed because Prince didn't come to the aftershow. I can't wait until he comes back home. I've never heard such Bitching in my life.
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Reply #19 posted 08/12/07 9:20am

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jdcxc said:




You're exactly right. It's just a bunch of entitled, whining idiots. They're going to take a special thing and turn into another business arrangement. The whole unpredictable nature of afterhour shows is what make them so extraordinary. I believed this is being fueled by the fairweather fans who scream for Purple Rain throught each concert.


I'm staggered that some people don't seem to be able to understand the simple concept that prince made it a business arragement the moment he advertised pre booked shows.

If you want the old previous magical shows where Prince can do what he wants, simply don't sell tickets beforehand.



They're not advertising a P concert but an aftershow event. With the potential crowd so big because of the venue it is only responsible to organize space. I doubt they are making a killing from these aftershows. And I know plenty of Prince aftershows in the past where they charged a cover charge or sold tickets. People have to be savy enough to know that you are paying for a nite club and not necessarily a Prince concert. Don't people research this?
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Reply #20 posted 08/12/07 9:24am

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It could just be me but this article makes P fans sound like spoiled brats. Complaining and contacting ticketmaster for refunds because P doesn't show up to the afterparties. The thing is it is a bit confusing because if the tickets were promoted as "aftershows" then the people who bought tickets thought P would show up to Indigo to play. The mix up is in the wording. It should have been made clear from the onset whether these would be afterparties with unpredictable appearances or aftershows with guaranteed attendance of P and the band..


Agreed. The dude's 49 years old. He's gotta sleep sometime!
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Reply #21 posted 08/12/07 9:26am

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Well i dont know its worded over there in england so i cant say, BUT im looking at my ticket stub from the BB KING afterparties and this is what it says.

"Official Musicology" Prince Afterparty

Im not sure what the price was, i think they were 25 dollars at least each night. But no one demanded money back, it doesnt say he's playing, it just says a Prince afterparty. Basically each night it was a DJ spinning songs and Prince stuff, as Prince and friends were off to the side and one night they played the concert on the screen. But no one left upset that i can remember or feeling they were screwed.

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Reply #22 posted 08/12/07 9:32am

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Ticketmaster never guaranteed Prince would appear at the main O2 arena shows, but we all knew he should be there, the same for the aftershows. If he wasn't to appear at all aftershows they should have said so from the start. They're advising late in the ticketmaster web, and tricking everyone by saying he won't appear probably on friday but on saturday, wrong.

I like surprises too, but positive ones. People failing to see him at an aftershow won't be happy, although the ones who see him may feel special, that isn't fair nor positive.
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Reply #23 posted 08/12/07 9:33am

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U know what, the man plays his ass off for two hours a night with evidently arbitrated segments to keep the show fresh.

The man is exhausted.

However, being a victim of this whole not turning up thing is also quite a concern too as tickets are not refundable but they can be exchanged.

Unfortunately for me, I have a spare ticket which I guess I could use to go to another aftershow but the way I'm feeling, I'd rather sell it on.

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Reply #24 posted 08/12/07 9:36am

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In looking at this article i can see that there are many complaints about the song he plays to, all i can say is "Get a Life". NOwhere does it say on any ticket what an artist has to play, Prince can get up there and Sing "mary had a little lamb" for 3 hours if he wanted to and its within his right or any other artists rights. It amazes me sometimes how many people show up to hear hits over an over and over. I remember back in 2002 here in NYC when Prince was doing the ONE NITE ALONE tour, i was near the front and the last thing i wanted to hear was a HIT and luckily that tour at least in the states didnt have too many HITS in it.

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Reply #25 posted 08/12/07 9:40am

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I'm staggered that some people don't seem to be able to understand the simple concept that prince made it a business arragement the moment he advertised pre booked shows.

If you want the old previous magical shows where Prince can do what he wants, simply don't sell tickets beforehand.



They're not advertising a P concert but an aftershow event. With the potential crowd so big because of the venue it is only responsible to organize space. I doubt they are making a killing from these aftershows. And I know plenty of Prince aftershows in the past where they charged a cover charge or sold tickets. People have to be savy enough to know that you are paying for a nite club and not necessarily a Prince concert. Don't people research this?


Sorry, but I paid for a prince official aftershow, not to confuse with a party or afterparty. Futhermore, ticketmaster listed the aftershows as any other prince show, not a party at the prince's club.
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Reply #26 posted 08/12/07 10:44am

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jdcxc said:




They're not advertising a P concert but an aftershow event. With the potential crowd so big because of the venue it is only responsible to organize space. I doubt they are making a killing from these aftershows. And I know plenty of Prince aftershows in the past where they charged a cover charge or sold tickets. People have to be savy enough to know that you are paying for a nite club and not necessarily a Prince concert. Don't people research this?


Sorry, but I paid for a prince official aftershow, not to confuse with a party or afterparty. Futhermore, ticketmaster listed the aftershows as any other prince show, not a party at the prince's club.


True but he hasnt always played at anftershows, i have been to 55+ Prince concerts and after each one they announce Official Aftershow at _____club or whatever and everyone shows up pays gets inside and then like 3 hours later Prince shows up and sometimes he plays and sometimes he doesnt.

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Reply #27 posted 08/12/07 10:48am

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There is no statement that Prince will perform at the main arena either. It all depend in the context of which it was sold. And tickets for the main and after show were sold as concerts.


I'm gonna steal this sentence for future discussions. It is a great one smile
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Reply #28 posted 08/12/07 10:59am

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If people really thought that Prince would perform 42 concerts and that such Aftershow performances were guranteed, when it was never stated or written anywhere that such appearances were guaranteed, then they are not only 'spoilt brats' but total fantasists.

If they want to complain about something they imagined and created in their own expectations and fuck-up Prince's stay and the chances for further shows and Aftershow performances, so be it.

Aftershow performances have NEVER been guaranteed all Prince's career. In London in 2002, I attended three to get one 45 minute performance. What has changed in 2007? Why does tickets being sold through Ticketmaster totally change Prince's arrangements and attitude?

It doesn't. It is the fans who have jumped to conclusions because the tickets were being sold through TM.

Flame me all you like, but I challenge you to find one, single instance where Prince performances were guaranteed at Aftershows in writing.

If you can't provide evidence for believing Prince was guaranteed to perform this is all in your fucking heads isn't it?



You're exactly right. It's just a bunch of entitled, whining idiots. They're going to take a special thing and turn into another business arrangement. The whole unpredictable nature of afterhour shows is what make them so extraordinary. I believed this is being fueled by the fairweather fans who scream for Purple Rain throught each concert.


Yeah, I totally agree with you guys. I will say that last night was an exception, since there was no live act at all and a decidedly average DJ and I can understand people saying that £25 is not worth it for no live act or quality DJ. But the incident was handled professionally with people being offered the opportunity to swap their tickets for further aftershows.

People shouldn't be complaining about Prince not being there when he was never guaranteed to be. Some folks act like its not possible to have a good time without P, I mean FFS he just gave you an amazing 2 hour show!!

There should be some live act every night though or at the very least a well known DJ and I think there will be, at every further aftershow, but obviously something went seriously wrong last night.

I had an amazing time at last Saturdays aftershow with Nikka and her band. I hope there's something cool lined up for Tuesday night, too. Can't wait.
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Reply #29 posted 08/12/07 11:38am

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jdcxc said:




You're exactly right. It's just a bunch of entitled, whining idiots. They're going to take a special thing and turn into another business arrangement. The whole unpredictable nature of afterhour shows is what make them so extraordinary. I believed this is being fueled by the fairweather fans who scream for Purple Rain throught each concert.


Yeah, I totally agree with you guys. I will say that last night was an exception, since there was no live act at all and a decidedly average DJ and I can understand people saying that £25 is not worth it for no live act or quality DJ. But the incident was handled professionally with people being offered the opportunity to swap their tickets for further aftershows.

People shouldn't be complaining about Prince not being there when he was never guaranteed to be. Some folks act like its not possible to have a good time without P, I mean FFS he just gave you an amazing 2 hour show!!

There should be some live act every night though or at the very least a well known DJ and I think there will be, at every further aftershow, but obviously something went seriously wrong last night.

I had an amazing time at last Saturdays aftershow with Nikka and her band. I hope there's something cool lined up for Tuesday night, too. Can't wait.


You are so right Militant (great 'blog' btw). Did not expect Prince to be there BUT would have expected a live act. Whatever that may be! Did not go in the end and queued until 2am to exchange to then be told that they could not do anything as Tickmaster site was down for maintenance and that someone will phone today (not happened) or I can go to Box Office and exchange there on Sunday (did not happen as they can only exchange tickets bought at o2). I spoke to Ticketmaster earlier today and they are waiting for confirmation (from management I guess) to actually start ticket exchanges and will be ringing people on Monday apparently
My theory is that Winehouse was scheduled but was otherwise engaged...
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