DreamyPopRoyalty said:

Gee don't forget aspirin. Laughable. Losers abuse drugs. A person's full potential can never be realized, not always discernable but the elements of shame, depression are there under the surface. U can't be a whole person and furthermore, someone who fills their body with such toxins, it's pretty much guaranteed they don't love themselves. So HOW ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO LOVE/CARE ABOUT ANOTHER. And we see the societal aftermath in exponents.

armybrat said:

Well done - you prove my point entirely!

Why not mix creativity with drugs - its what artists have been doing for 1000s of years - if you don't see that. you're seriously deluded! Most users use that as an excuse do they? Do you have evidence to support that claim, or are you just relying on your bias to suppose a reason?

Its the same bias that leads you to state almost as though you know it is factually correct (when you can't) that Prince doesn't do/hasn't done drugs. You lambast everyone else for not being able to accept the fact that Prince could be "clean" (another marvellous propoganda word that!), yet you clearly and illogically cannot accept the possibility that Prince has tried drugs.

Furthermore, I didn't say you can't be creative without drugs. Only a fool would say that and, I'm afraid, only a fool would infer that from my post. However, it is true that drugs may enhance creativity or certainly give it a different slant - its just a different experience. But again, funny how most of the best art has been created by "users" - its a fact. Disprove it if you can/want.

No, its not just the US government that peddles mis-information - again, is this news to you? Governments all over the world have lied about a great many things in their efforts to keep control. You are also wrong to tie in that users are right because drugs make them creative. That is not what I said and you have seriously missed the point (hmmm, noticing a pattern here?) For someone who's "clean", you don't seem to think with much clarity.

Ok - why don't you list all of the great artists you know that died because of drugs. Then make a comparitive list of those great artists that are still here today and have used drugs - I think you'll find the survivors list is lengthier than those that died. Keith Richards took more drugs than most other artists put together and he's still here. MacCartney, Jagger, Plant and Paige, Clapton, Bowie, Gilmour, Waters - all still here, all still revered.

Those that sadly passed before their time - well, there's an interesting correlation there too. Let's take 3 of the most famous examples;

Hendrix - died choking on his own vomit from a mix of illegal drugs and the legal drug alcohol. (which drug do you think was responsible for the vomiting?)

Morrison - see above

Bonham - again, down to vodka.

Want to give me your own examples, particularly of artists who died purely from illegal drug consumption? I'd love to see you substantiate your claims, otherwise you are as guilty as the many governments of this world of spreading mis-information.
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girl66 said:

Why not count alcohol? Do you not see that alcohol is the most destructive drug of them all? Second to cigarette smoking, it is THE biggest killer (and its not the drug nicotine that kills you in a cigarette, so its fair to say that alcohol is the biggest killer drug - and its LEGAL!!!)

You cannot make the distinction on drugs as to whether they are legal or not. Its the effect they have on society that is the best yardstick. How many street fights and domestic violence are fuelled by alcohol. HOw many deaths by car accident are influenced by alcohol consumption. How many various diseases and irreversible damage to the body is caused by alcohol?

Yet, you want to sweep it under the carpet just because its legal?

Flowerz said:

Congrtualtions on one of the most prejudiced posts I've read anywhere in a long time.

So you can JUDGE exactly what a person must be because of how they look, can you? Wow - sounds like "back of the bus" stuff to me - proper scarey.

I suppose you're one of those who might see someone of Middle Eastern origin and wonder whether they're a terrorist.

You say "people who have experimented with drugs will know" - I'm afraid those same people will not only realise that what you've written here is completely wrong and ill-informed, but that you clearly have NOT experimented yourself. I find those that try to speak from a position of inexperience, quite naturally, are not the best people to comment.

jacobpb said:

Absolute rubbish and even further examples of absolute prejudice over sense and reason.

First, aspirin does actually kill more people than most other illegal drugs. Its a fact, look it up.

The rest of what you say is just prejudice and assumption - coloured by the propoganda you get force-fed that anyone who uses drugs has to do it to fill some sort of hole in their lives, or because they're depressed. Its pure BS. How about some people just do it for fun, some weekends, go do their job, pay their taxes etc. I know far more people who keep it together whilst dabbling in a few substances every now and again, than those sad cases where people lose it.

Same thing with alcohol - not everybody who drinks becomes an alcoholic - its a minority. Same thing with drug-users. Few develop a problem - it all depends on the person you see, not necessarily the drug (crystal meth and heroin being notable exceptions - such is the potency of those drugs).

Mindflux said:

DreamyPopRoyalty said:

on stage with JB, he was drunk

jay-sus, of course he did.
you don't expect him to be a multi-millionaire pop/rock star in America in the 80s and not do drugs, do you? ev'rybody in showbiz did coke and horse in the 80s, this was the way 2 party back then!
doesn't he say at the very beginning of Lovesexy "the reason my voice is clear is because there's no smack on my brain" or some such thing? [smack being of course slang for heroin]. he did a lot of that shit, and most probably stopped b4 doing the Lovesexy album.
since then, who knows. my guess would be he stayed clean most of the time, but still took a bite of something once in a while. but that's only a guess.

grow up, girl.

riffraff said:

I think, you guessed right.He had to do drugs here and there. He wouldn't sleep for days and still had energy to burn during the late 70's and the 80's. That sounds to me like he had some help...

jacobpb said:

Wow - great comeback! Well thought out and considered.

Been to your myspace - Bill was right!!

yeah he didnt sleep at all in the 80s.
who did drugs beside prince?
morris day-cocaine
sheila e -cocaine
vanity -bad cocaine habit
dr. fink maybe???

Just to back up my, apparently, "crazy" assertions, consider the following;

Deaths in the US Year 2000

Tobacco 435,000
Alcohol 85,000
Advers reactions to prescribed drugs 32,000
ASPIRIN 7,600
Heroin 4,280
Ecstasy (MDMA) 63
LSD 0
Marijuana 0

What would any rational, logical person conclude from those figures?

So, in hindsight, I would say the craziest statement (at least, on this page) was from jacobpb when he said "Gee don't forget aspirin. Laughable."

What is laughable is the amount of people who will swallow what they're fed without doing a bit of research themselves.

Again, I'm moved to quote Bill Hicks "Go back to sleep America, you're government has it all figured out for you. Go back to sleep America, here's 100 channels of American Gladiators for you....."

Mindflux said:

"...and keep drinking beer, you fucking morons"

I love Hicks

Mindflux said:

+ rational thought/common sense =

Oh and for the folks who rode the short bus like yourself that last symbol is shit on toast, bon appetit.

Oh my the social ills caused by aspirin are so profound! Laughable. You're right I am prejudice against druggies, idiots, child molesters, lots more. Call it quality control. Ha ha.

There will be no compromise.


No surrender.



It's amazing the eejits who crawl out of the shadows onto prince.org and share their silly minority viewpoints because they'd get kicked to the curb in the real world, in fact they've surrounded themselves in so much delirum they've constructed phony microcosmic realities that should be left in the sandbox, and make personal attacks when they can't argue on the merits. Keep checkin the myspace, sit back and watch the magic, I've got more albums coming, being a creator rather than a receiver

thebanishedone said:

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If you think any of these people look good (exception Eric Clapton) you must be on drugs.

Mindflux said:

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ASPIRIN 7,600 I bet this is due to people committing suicide not people breaking into drugs stores to swipe aspirin for a cheap high (LOL)

Some of you drug users need to realize everybody does not do drugs. Some of us manage to get along just fine without drugs or alcohol.

Apologies if I'm going over stuff that's already been covered (I skipped a few pages) but a couple of points were raised. Comments were made that P has "definitely" taken this or that drug, unless he actually comes clean and confesses it's all purely speculation and hearsay.
The suggestion that he had to be on drugs to recreate a "psychedelic" sound? The guy is a professional musician and composer who can study the musical structures of different genres and recreate them without the need for additional stimulants. Just look at the glut of cod psychedelia which was released in the late 60's by MOR artistes, mostly backed by professional session musicians who'd not taken LSD.
For the record, I have no opinion either way about drugs. Each to their own etc... if I must be in confessional then I will admit to the following, neither proud nor ashamed just stating facts...

Tobacco (20 a day habit for 25 years. TOTALLY addicted)
Alcohol (I drink socially every week but have spent periods of 6 months or more without so not an addict)
Weed (Tried it on numerous occasions, I don't like the sensation or lack of self control so not done it for a few years)
Speed/Amphetamines (Once only, kept me going after working all day and going to a club at night. Felt like crap the next day though)
Amyl nitrate/Liquid Gold (Pointless. 5 second "buzz")
Heroin (I was passed a joint by a "friend" which made me violently ill. He later told me that it was laced with heroin and thought it was funny. My fist came into contact with his face and I thought THAT was funny!)

The point I'm trying to make is that most of us try drugs at some point in our lives. This doesn't neccessarily mean that we "do" drugs and are addicted. To experiment with drugs does not make a person a drug addict. If P had briefly smoked weed during High School as alleged, this does not mean that he still smokes it, is an addict or condones other people smoking.

jacobpb said:

There's obviously no point debating with a bigoted fascist like yourself. You were the one who couldn't argue on merits mate (simply saying my opinion was "crazy" and you still haven't substantiated anything - you resorted to the insults (see above), because you are so obviously prejudiced against "minority views". Hmmm, says a hell of a lot about you. Quality control, you say? I suppose ideas like ethnic cleansing are no problem for you, huh?

Your main inspiration is Jesus? Well, where the fuck is your love and compassion man? Your zero-tolerance approach for anything you deem unsavoury is more akin to dominance and dictatorship and I don't think you'll find that kind of intolerance was promoted by your most-admired prophet.

You call your re-hashes of Prince/80's pop in 2007 creativity??!! You're almost 3 decades out pal! And, again you're pompous "I'm a creator not a receiver" was commenting from a standpoint where you don't know all the facts, go check www.myspace.com/mindflux2012 for some genuinely fresh creativity (hence why we're playing at some of the best festivals in Europe this Summer).
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laurarichardson said:

Lauara - what you "non-users" need to realise is that most "drug users" get along just fine too. Have a job, work hard, pay taxes, contriubte positively to society. Just because all you ever hear are the negative aspects on the news, you choose to believe that drugs mess everyone up - that simply isn't true.

You also need to realise that nobody here has attacked non-users for not using drugs. I don't care whether you take them or not - its a personal choice. Yet non-users seem to think they have sufficient basis for attacking users - why?

BTW - the aspirin death rate is not solely due to suicide attempts - you ever read the side-effects of aspirin? All drugs carry some form of risk - its just a lot of prescription drugs that are legal have far more than some of the illegal drugs.

armybrat said:

That doesn't mean anything.

girl66 said:

Caffeine is a drug too.

Mindflux said:

Bigoted Fascist!..oh the melodrama! You started the low blow personal attacks, that's clear. The fact I said drug abusers are losers, you obviously took personal. Tough crap. Time to grow up. I have hundreds of years of past studies, millions of social/aid workers, police, public servants, former addicts, etc, etc worldwide who can testify the negative effects of drugs on the family, society, etc. I mean this is sooooo boringly obvious... ...but of course it's all conspiracy theories, relativism is the order of the day, why should I waste time debating the obvious? And you're upset about my statements? You're on the fringe of society. So careful passing around the paint thinner; watch the buttocks applying the horse tranquilizers all in the name of what's cool.

It will hurt you.

In most cases the only reason a drug is made 'illegal' is because of pressure from the drug companies that are worried their profits will decrease. The issue is use and abuse. Most every drug has beneficial aspects to it but at a certain point if you start using a drug incorrectly (ABUSE=ABNORMAL USE) you lessen the positive aspects and increase the negative aspects. Its a fact that you can drink so much water that you alter your chemical makeup and are'high'. I always find it funny and quite ridiculous that people who have never tried supposed 'illegal drugs' think they are in any position to comment on it,that would be like me commenting on menstration. Nothing in this world is 100% bad and nothing is 100% good and people who try to make an issue that way are either incredibly ignorant or have their own agenda.

jacobpb said:

No - not melodrama - a natural conclusion based on the facts you have presented.
You sure you're not on drugs? As it was you who started the insults after calling my comments crazy. Its here in black and white and you still can't follow the flow?
Didn't take your losers comments personally, as I know what I am and care not for ill-informed opinion, like yours. Obviously the fact that you're music is crap touched a nerve though, eh?
There are also millions of studies and testimonies that show the positive sides of drugs but, as with anything, nothing is black and white. There are people that have problems, there are people that don't. However, there are far less problematic people than there are people who are able to live normal happy lives. Its a case of live and let live, but you're not in that arena, are you?
Its not all conspiracy theory, but it definitely does feature on relativity. If one legal drug kills 100x more people than all the illegal drugs combined, it is entirely appropriate to talk about relative risk - far more appropriate than to distinguish between whether a drug is legal or not. Anyone with any modicum of intelligence can see why that is so ridiculous.
Neither was I upset by your comments - it is a concern, however, that people will speak with such authority when they have nothing to back up their opinions with and, therefore speak with such prejudice. And, as I said before, I don't see anyone here knocking people for not taking drugs, so what gives anyone the right to demean people who do?

Oh, and you're "it will hurt you " comment - well, I got news for you buddy, you're going to die too!! Non-drug users die EVERY day. And you may well be harmed by the noxious fumes your car pumps out. Or even be hit by a car. See, life is full of risks and people should be free to choose which risks to take (whether or not they would pass your idea of "quality control"). Go read the "good book" and ask yourself "Does my attitude really reflect the teachings of my inspiration?"

Mindflux said:

"There are also millions of studies and testimonies that show the positive sides of drugs"

What???? The fact you refuse to recognize the blatant social ills is pathetic. "I'll die too" what a comeback. I had no idea. Speak with such authority? That's society, that's truth, it's beyond my being. All these narrowminded bigoted social workers, teachers, etc Heaven forbid we should have standards and hope to strive for excellence, but that sort of things scares alot of people.

You'd rather keep making attacks on music, the Bible. Nothing to do with the topic at hand, could it be we feel a little uneasy? That's not me, that's your conscience. As with most nonjudgemental and no-stance types who fallen into the grey zone, you're a bundle of contradictions..arguing Biblical passages when Biblically drug abuse is viewed as a demonic force paralizing populations so Satan can reek havoc. You obviously wouldn't believe this stance (not my stance, Christianity's stance), and now you want to pick and choose passages to make points? Stay in your rabbit hole, you're much safer.

Never done any sort of 'real' drug here!!! Damn proud of it. Beer and caffeine yes...anything else? Nope!

squirrelgrease said:

revjason said:

You're equating water with drugs? Okay. For the majority of the Western population that understands the semantics of English, the question of "Has Prince done drugs?" is illegal use or abuse of substances. It's understood what's being said.

Let me tell you what your agenda is (guess what, everybody has one)-- it's complete moral equivalency; so now let's argue chemical toxins on beansprout intake and equate it to Cocaine, all in an effort so one can't judge, take a moral stance. Personal experiences -- this is an oldy: "Only those who fought in war can argue about war!" (Like my analogy Another attempt to muzzle dissent. People in any position can and should comment. "Its a fact that you can drink so much water..." Facts? I thought there was only perceptions? After all, "Nothing in this world is 100% bad and nothing is 100% good". And so we continue on the well ridden path here on the org: "Who's to say what's right or wrong?" "What's good for me is for me". "Live and let live." That's what this whole thread has become, the usual moral equivalency route, placing a reverse stigma on opposition as "bigots, ignorant, etc." arguing on trivial tiny pebbles while a boulder of reality marks it's shadow. (In this case the societal ramifications of drug usage.)

Well, it's gettin old folks.


Yes..I know.

"Its a fact that you can drink so much water..." Facts? I thought there was only perceptions? After all, "Nothing in this world is 100% bad and nothing is 100% good".


Ok, then it is my perception that the music you pass off as your own on Myspace consists of nothing but established songs that you replaced the words with your own cornball,have no clue what your talking about-lyrics. Stop shaving your body hair and masturbating in the mirror. There is a saying that goes,'It is better to keep ones mouth shut and have people assume your an asshole,than to open your mouth and prove it". Talking loud and saying nothing. Its about time for that high horse your on to buck your groovless ass to the ground.