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Printable Dayspring said: PurplePupil said: Remember What he wrote on tha side of his face in the "Dolphon" Video trust me I know prince can be a pain at times but I got to side with the little man versus tha Coporation with their contracts that are Modern day slavery they get billions and you get millions if your Blessed like Prince is. Keep doing yo thing Purple one they gonna miss you when ur gone. come only once every thousands of years I have to ask.... do you work for a company? That's how it works. Your employer makes the money, and pays you. It's no different for Prince. They hired him to perform a service, and they paid him handsomely for it. Unless you own your own business (and even then, it's not likely), you don't own whatever it is you "create" at your job. Are you going to walk into your employer tomorrow with "SLAVE" written on your face? I doubt it. ----- Your employer makes the money, and pays you. It's no different for Prince. It is different because P was not an employee. He was really a contractor. He was not getting a salary from WB. That being said What is up with your attitude This is a fan site. | |
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sacredwarrior said: Dayspring said: you should have just stopped there, because nobody with half a brain is going to read past this part. without workers, your employer wouldn't exist, so....  i am sorry to hear that you are a crackpot with only half a brain. it happens to only be the left hemisphere of your brain that is currently working. when u soften up and get some scope, the right side will kick into gear just nicely and u'll understand every word i said. this is what reality looks like songwriter > artist > record company > no record company... music still exists. and without the people who make it, the people ur defending would be unemployed see, if i'm signed to a label, and i dont wanna write no tunes nor sing no tunes, they dont get paid. i am the primary generator of finances. which makes me The Boss. dig 
now please, get educated on Pyramids of Power, before you continue to be nought more than mere fodder, for the likes of minds like mine. and btw. any 'worker' that creates a product - Owns the product. its called 'Intellectual Property' and a bunch of other things. it can hardly be likened to a factory worker who sits there makin nike shoes based on someone else's design. the Artistic Visionary is the Core Generator. repeat that 17 times. a 'worker' does manual labour, like Record Companies do!  runnin around takin the Visionary's Art to wherever it needs to go, kinda like WORKER BEES, or ANTS.
the Queen/King just sits there churnin out the Hits, watchin all the little workers get to it and do Their Job for them. I Am a Musician, A Writer, A Producer, A Singer and a whole bunch of other things you cant even begin to imagine. I Am The Boss. you see every little idea i have is mine. no one else's. unless i let em believe so - out of pity.
cheers Sleepy. and a nice bigg kiss for you. X  the very fact that you write in that color reveals that you aren't to be taken seriously. you have nothing serious to add, so stop talking. | |
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laurarichardson said: Dayspring said: I have to ask.... do you work for a company? That's how it works. Your employer makes the money, and pays you. It's no different for Prince. They hired him to perform a service, and they paid him handsomely for it. Unless you own your own business (and even then, it's not likely), you don't own whatever it is you "create" at your job. Are you going to walk into your employer tomorrow with "SLAVE" written on your face? I doubt it. ----- Your employer makes the money, and pays you. It's no different for Prince. It is different because P was not an employee. He was really a contractor. He was not getting a salary from WB. That being said What is up with your attitude This is a fan site. Fine, he was contracted. They paid him to produce music. He did. They paid him. What's the problem? | |
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sacredwarrior said: Mong said: Tough shit, he signed the contract.
tough shit for warner. he signed a fraudulent contract. watch what happens next yeah, watch what happens next... nothing. until 2013, when we'll get a Prince-released "For You" remaster... and then 2014, when we'll get a Prince-released "Prince" remaster... and then 2015, when we'll get a Prince-released "Dirty Mind" remaster... and so on. one year at a time as the 35 years expires on each album. You have to know that you're completely wrong, or Prince wouldn't have been bitching and moaning about it for the past decade. | |
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sacredwarrior said: The Moment the Scam Begins
This notion that Record Companies r The Boss is Erroneous, based on all facts stated above. It is a Presumed Position. Not fact. The Moment the Scam begins is when they Shell Out the Money. They pay for recording costs, and offer the Artist an 'advance' fee, so the 'poor thing' can stay alive. This Act, does in no way suggest that the Record Company is the Boss. The Artist is Bribed into a Submissive Position, through the act of the Financial Investment of the Record Company. " U Owe Us Money, therefore you are beholdent to Our Final Decisions. U Have No Control. We R the Boss " - says the Record Company. " U Invested in My Art, therefore you r on My Payroll, and u might see a Return on your investment, plus payment for your part as Workers. I Am the Boss. If U do not see a return on your investment, I shall not be held accountable for neither your poor decision to Invest in My Art, nor for your inability to market and Sell this Art. I have done My Part Successfully. I Have Created Art." - says the Artist. It's the Money Invested by the Record Company that they Use as a platform from which to presumably 'rule over' the Artist. This line of erroneous thinking, illogical thinking, ignorant thinking, devilish thinking, is the single cause for 'control problems' and 'power trips' and 'broken contracts' and 'artist/company fights', anywhere, ever. Any contract that is signed under this False Belief System, is by nature of Pure Logic Alone - an Illegal Contract. A Hoax. A Scam. A Fraud. And is thereby Utterly Defunct. Any and all artists signed to such 'contracts' are immediately Free of them, by virtue of Basic Logic. Any Record Company issuing such Bribes through Contracts, bribes which apply pressure to an artist to submit their own Power of Control over to the Investor, is committing an illegal act of Fraud and Sophistry. Sophistry is : An Argument that Deceives. These types of contracts are Deceptive by Nature. Not Above Board. Slippery in Intent, Violating the Common Sense of both parties and the Integrity of the Artist. It is a Power Play of Deception, with Money as the Bully. An Investor does not Own anyone or anything. A nice and Polite Investor, makes his investment, does his part, and if there is return on his Investment, he is gracious and grateful to the Creator of the Original Essence of the Product. " Thank you so much for having me on board as an Investor in your Art. It would seem we have done well to Serve You, and the General Public. It has been a pleasure to assist in bringing your Art to others. We have received a Return on Our Investment, plus profit! Thank you for Creating this Opportunity For Us. " - says the Investor with a Sense of Pure Reason, Fortitude, Integrity, Humility and Gratitude. " And Thank you Dear Investor, for your intitial Investment in my Art, and for doing your part, which you Humbly admit to have been paid for several times over, to make this Art more widely accesible by the general public. It has been a pleasure doing business with you and an Honor to be Your Boss during this time. Thank you for all your Wise Council! I am grateful to have listened to those parts of it that Rang True as Valid in my Very Adept Intuitive Sense of Reason. Where would a Good Boss be without Good advice??!! And I am glad that you understand that neither an Investor, nor an Advisor, is the Boss. Perhaps we shall meet again, when next I wish to Share my Art with the broader global community. The quality of your service has not gone unnoticed! " But we have been living in a world where common sense, pure reason, logic, integrity, honesty, and gratitude have gone amiss for more than just a few decades..... Sadly, the Erroneous Belief System of ' I Invested Money So I Am Boss ' still holds sway with those who do not have access to fully functioning brains, and Artists are Conned, their sensitivity and perhaps desires for fame and fortune, are taken Advantage of, by some of the most slippery, ignorant, Hoax-Artists this world has ever seen. They win in courts of Law based on similar erroneous belief systems, loop-holes in contracts, slippery little under-the-table deals. They offer, in their desperation to 'maintain illusory control', to 'buy' the Artists Rights, take a chunk of their Publishing Royalties too! to which they have no legitimate claim, once again, by nature of pure reason. A Good Record Company invests in the art, by financing the Creation of It, if need be, marketing it, distributing it, advertising it... and when they have made their money back from SALES ONLY , and when they have been paid via profits for the service they provided , they're job is done. There is no ' oh but we can do what we like with your Art now, because we put money into it and you owe us and u signed one of our illogical fraudulent contracts saying u agreed to that with your rights and all and publishing and blah blah blah blah blah '. There is None.Of.That.Nonsense. - with people who R.e.s.p.e.c.t. Thank you PRINCE. for being one to Highlight a Problem Spot in the so-called 'Music Industry'. I can only hope to have Shone The Light of Pure Reason On It to the very end of The Point. Hi-Five. Over'N'Out. 
"Uh, you really shouldn't mumble, because we can't understand a word you're saying." [Edited 8/19/06 20:22pm] | |
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sacredwarrior said: i am sorry to hear that you are a crackpot with only half a brain. it happens to only be the left hemisphere of your brain that is currently working. when u soften up and get some scope, the right side will kick into gear just nicely and u'll understand every word i said. this is what reality looks like songwriter > artist > record company > no record company... music still exists. and without the people who make it, the people ur defending would be unemployed see, if i'm signed to a label, and i dont wanna write no tunes nor sing no tunes, they dont get paid. i am the primary generator of finances. which makes me The Boss. dig
now please, get educated on Pyramids of Power, before you continue to be nought more than mere fodder, for the likes of minds like mine. and btw. any 'worker' that creates a product - Owns the product. its called 'Intellectual Property' and a bunch of other things. it can hardly be likened to a factory worker who sits there makin nike shoes based on someone else's design. the Artistic Visionary is the Core Generator. repeat that 17 times. a 'worker' does manual labour, like Record Companies do! runnin around takin the Visionary's Art to wherever it needs to go, kinda like WORKER BEES, or ANTS.
the Queen/King just sits there churnin out the Hits, watchin all the little workers get to it and do Their Job for them. I Am a Musician, A Writer, A Producer, A Singer and a whole bunch of other things you cant even begin to imagine. I Am The Boss. you see every little idea i have is mine. no one else's. unless i let em believe so - out of pity.
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LecoleKidman said: Come on folks. If we don't work together, no one gets anything. Kapeesh? I bought my two copies of the Ultimate back in March (at Virgin) so don't look at me... | |
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DevotedPuppy said: LecoleKidman said: Come on folks. If we don't work together, no one gets anything. Kapeesh? I bought my two copies of the Ultimate back in March (at Virgin) so don't look at me... yeah i got one too... | |
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Abrazo said: Your reasoning that these are "fraudulent contracts" is based on the fact that record companies offer artists an ADVANCE PAYMENT. With that advance, you say, they "bribe" the artist into a "employer - employee" relationship in which the record company has full control over everything. Now, would it be a good idea for artists to stop accepting those advance payments? 
Especially for a major artist like mr. "no 1 in the bank" Nelson, who really doesn't need advances because he has enough money of his own to finance the recording sessions and the production of his cd's. He merely needs a distribution agreement. same goes for any artist who can record their own music. it aint that hard these days with homestudios on the up'n'up.
Following your logic, once artists refuse these advance payments the record companies can no longer "bribe" them into accepting the other terms of the contract such as transfer of ownership of copyright, low royalty percentages for the artists and long term exclusive recording agreements. mm. the 'bribe' is a 'psychological swindle', which blindsides the artist to the truth of their position as Boss. Prince only bitched and moaned about his situation becuz he'd been blindsided, so he was technically still playing 'inside the box of the illusion' feeling inferior and powerless, sucked into the Bribe without knowing it. If he'd been able to see he'd been bribed, it woulda been case closed years ago. Sadly this 'dayspring dude' doesnt understand the logic behind this. Investors and Advisors dont own what you create simply cuz they finance a project and get paid back for it, plus profits. Record Companies dont 'contract' anyone. They only think they do cuz they believe their own illusion,- that Bribery is somehow legal and therefore makes them Boss. lol. er... nope. Even buying Publishing Rights is a Hoax, cuz no one can buy their way into the writing of a song, which they didnt write. Record Companies and Publishers have no legitimate claim to make publishing royalties from something they didnt write. its called THEFT. and easily done once u got ur artist believing ur entitled to a chunk of those profits. Not So. Just cuz they put their terms on paper in the form of a contract to make it look legal - doesnt make it Legal. Its still Theft via psychological blindsiding Maybe its time for them to get educated on what music actually IS and where it really comes from. Lets see if their wallets can buy the Truth. " the embassy shut to keep the fools out " - as above, so below. | |
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Picked this up yesterday
A few comments... It sounds good but funny how the package doesn't mention anything about remastering. Pop Life Fresh Dance Mix is brilliant. I'd heard the longer extended version but not this one so very nice to get something new. The artwork is absolutely fabulous! From what I can see it shows his entire discography up until 1992. My dream is to one day own all those 12"s, 7"s and picture discs. I envy those that already do. Stuff that will never make sense to me: 1) Tracklisting. Everthing is done chronologically except the first 3 tracks on disc 2. Fair enough but why then not go the whole way and close out cd 1 with Purple Rain? 2) Why was the Shep Pettibone Mix for Hot Thing included instead of other more popular versions? Not that it's a bad mix or anything. Also, I bet there's not one Prince fan who wouldn't have preferred to see Housequake 7 mins Mo' Quake in it's place. 3) Nothing from Lovesexy on cd2... 4) Cream NPG Mix. Who's idea was this? Sounds very out of place. Yes there's no pleasing everyone but I don't think anyone would miss this. Overall, I'm very happy but can't help thinking we're being teased. [Edited 8/19/06 6:11am] | |
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I have all the 12 inches and IMO none needed to be remastered more than the Hot Thing remix. And they should've included the I Wish U Heaven suite. |
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Warner Bro wont b getting any of my money already have hits 1,2and3 if any one was 2 get my money it b PRINCE | |
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JAY1 said: Warner Bro wont b getting any of my money already have hits 1,2and3 if any one was 2 get my money it b PRINCE
Prince won't be getting your money either if you don't buy this. He makes quite a bit off of his WB releases. | |
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Dayspring said: JAY1 said: Warner Bro wont b getting any of my money already have hits 1,2and3 if any one was 2 get my money it b PRINCE
Prince won't be getting your money either if you don't buy this. He makes quite a bit off of his WB releases. yeah right like what 10%? | |
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SlamGlam said: Dayspring said: Prince won't be getting your money either if you don't buy this. He makes quite a bit off of his WB releases. yeah right like what 10%? writer, porformer, and producer royalties make up a significant chunk of the money made off a record. and for an artist of Prince's stature at the time those contracts were signed, they're higher. | |
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Dayspring said: JAY1 said: Warner Bro wont b getting any of my money already have hits 1,2and3 if any one was 2 get my money it b PRINCE
Prince won't be getting your money either if you don't buy this. utterly transparent art of persuasion
Prince isnt desperate for our money, unlike WB, so it dont matter to him financially if we dont buy it. UR wasting ur time and energy usin this angle as a basis for ur argument...because in the over-all Prince picture...its trivial $. now u r beginning to get the picture?.. 
The Artist is The Boss... becuz without them, the record company is f.u.c.k.e.d. politely speaking " the embassy shut to keep the fools out " - as above, so below. | |
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Prince not desperate for our money????? 
So why was he promoting Musicology and 3121 so much then? Why was he peddling so much NPG junk at the NPGMusicClub? Why did he sign that contract with Universal last year? It certainly wasn't for the love of music. I think it's really sad that there are fans out there who allow Prince's problems to become their problems. I can't wait to buy Ultimate Prince tomorrow and even if P only makes a small percentage from each one, that's not bad considering he's done hardly any work for this release. I'd love to see Prince and WB back together again. | |
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There is some serious bullshit going on in this thread!  | |
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RitaQoS said: Prince not desperate for our money?????
I am not sure about desperate but he certainly wants to earn a good living. and no matter what he says money DOES matter. | |
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RitaQoS said: Prince not desperate for our money?????
So why was he promoting Musicology and 3121 so much then? Why was he peddling so much NPG junk at the NPGMusicClub? Why did he sign that contract with Universal last year? It certainly wasn't for the love of music. I think it's really sad that there are fans out there who allow Prince's problems to become their problems. I can't wait to buy Ultimate Prince tomorrow and even if P only makes a small percentage from each one, that's not bad considering he's done hardly any work for this release. I'd love to see Prince and WB back together again. Exactly... Break it down for 'em RitaQoS! | |
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RitaQoS said: I think it's really sad that there are fans out there who allow Prince's problems to become their problems. i wish i has some of his problems! | |
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sacredwarrior said: Dayspring said: Prince won't be getting your money either if you don't buy this. utterly transparent art of persuasion
Prince isnt desperate for our money, unlike WB, so it dont matter to him financially if we dont buy it. UR wasting ur time and energy usin this angle as a basis for ur argument...because in the over-all Prince picture...its trivial $. now u r beginning to get the picture?..
The Artist is The Boss... becuz without them, the record company is f.u.c.k.e.d. politely speaking what is it that you don't understand about Prince working with Warner Bros. to release this CD? | |
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calldapplwondery83 said: There is some serious bullshit going on in this thread!
blame the closing of NPGMC...  Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: calldapplwondery83 said: There is some serious bullshit going on in this thread!
blame the closing of NPGMC... No, thank the closing of the NPGMC. We get to see and laugh at the obsessives right here. | |
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Dayspring said: sacredwarrior said: utterly transparent art of persuasion
Prince isnt desperate for our money, unlike WB, so it dont matter to him financially if we dont buy it. UR wasting ur time and energy usin this angle as a basis for ur argument...because in the over-all Prince picture...its trivial $. now u r beginning to get the picture?..
The Artist is The Boss... becuz without them, the record company is f.u.c.k.e.d. politely speaking what is it that you don't understand about Prince working with Warner Bros. to release this CD? oh so now ur trying to make them equals???
one minute WB is The Boss, and now ur using Prince's involvement as a way of trying to prove that he is privately complicit with their outright BRIBERY & FRAUD ????? please do review the basic logic posted elsewhere on this thread. if u need any more help understanding some very basic equations about Music and its Industry, please do feel free to ask. Whilst Prince's situation with WB may be unresolvable at this point ( even thought it actually IZ.. all P has to do is backtrack to the day he signed his initial contract and prove Bribery ) rest assured, the future of Record Companies who continue to refuse to give Artists their power back, will suffer greatly where it hurts them most: at the bank. Artists who are wide awake to the schemes played by these so-called 'music-lovers' ( money lovers ) won't go anywhere near them. They dont need record companies these days, for their music to be heard by the whole world. The only positive future for Record Companies, is if they concede to the FACT that they are merely Investors in Art, and Business Advisors, who hold no ultimate power of control over Final Decisions about anything and are most defintely NOT entitled to shares of publishing, nor are they entitled to hold artists to 'imprisonment contracts' for extended periods of time, nor are their 'advance payments' a method via which they can 'indebt' an artist to them. It's really quite simple. If U like someone's art, invest in it, be prepared to play second fiddle out of RESPECT, do what is rightfully necessary to ensure the success of the 'project', make your money back plus profits from SALES ONLY, thank the artist, and never force them to conform to what ur opinion of Music is, or what it should be, in order for it to 'sell'. Musicians and Writers have a far more accurate idea of what people want. They are the Voice of 'the People', and no accountant, no 'business man', no 'marketing exec', no A&R, has access to that Knowledge, because they do not receive the Artistic Impulse from within. Artistic Impulse comes from the Heavens. It can be proven via metaphysical Fact. It is Impossible for a money-motivated schemer to access those 'realms' and determine 'what people want to hear'. A conversation for another time... Perhaps after you've understood the first very basic equation, in full : The Artist is The Boss. 4 Now, Take Care. " the embassy shut to keep the fools out " - as above, so below. | |
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sacredwarrior said: Dayspring said: what is it that you don't understand about Prince working with Warner Bros. to release this CD? oh so now ur trying to make them equals???
one minute WB is The Boss, and now ur using Prince's involvement as a way of trying to prove that he is privately complicit with their outright BRIBERY & FRAUD ????? please do review the basic logic posted elsewhere on this thread. if u need any more help understanding some very basic equations about Music and its Industry, please do feel free to ask. Whilst Prince's situation with WB may be unresolvable at this point ( even thought it actually IZ.. all P has to do is backtrack to the day he signed his initial contract and prove Bribery ) rest assured, the future of Record Companies who continue to refuse to give Artists their power back, will suffer greatly where it hurts them most: at the bank. Artists who are wide awake to the schemes played by these so-called 'music-lovers' ( money lovers ) won't go anywhere near them. They dont need record companies these days, for their music to be heard by the whole world. The only positive future for Record Companies, is if they concede to the FACT that they are merely Investors in Art, and Business Advisors, who hold no ultimate power of control over Final Decisions about anything and are most defintely NOT entitled to shares of publishing, nor are they entitled to hold artists to 'imprisonment contracts' for extended periods of time, nor are their 'advance payments' a method via which they can 'indebt' an artist to them. It's really quite simple. If U like someone's art, invest in it, be prepared to play second fiddle out of RESPECT, do what is rightfully necessary to ensure the success of the 'project', make your money back plus profits from SALES ONLY, thank the artist, and never force them to conform to what ur opinion of Music is, or what it should be, in order for it to 'sell'. Musicians and Writers have a far more accurate idea of what people want. They are the Voice of 'the People', and no accountant, no 'business man', no 'marketing exec', no A&R, has access to that Knowledge, because they do not receive the Artistic Impulse from within. Artistic Impulse comes from the Heavens. It can be proven via metaphysical Fact. It is Impossible for a money-motivated schemer to access those 'realms' and determine 'what people want to hear'. A conversation for another time... Perhaps after you've understood the first very basic equation, in full : The Artist is The Boss. 4 Now, Take Care. crack kills. | |
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sacredwarrior said: I really need to get a life. I'm waaaay too obsessed about Prince's business deals and Prince has successfully, if unknowingly, made me fight for a cause that even he doesn't give a shit about anymore.
I wish you'd see just how amusing you are to the observers of this thread. Prince doesn't care about you so why should you care about him? I love Prince's music and buy it whenever I can so long as it's legal. Like it or not, Prince's WB releases are legal. Ultimate Prince is not only legal, but morally okay to buy for the hardcore fan because Prince was happy to work with WB for it's release. I'll just say that again for you; 'Prince was happy to work with WB for it's release'. You've clearly got an issue with major record labels so it'd inevitably be best for you to steer clear of them yourself. Once you've done that, then your conscience is clear. Prince however, is quite happy to court them these days, on his own terms, which is great but he's still happy to sign with record labels. If Prince hadn't signed contracts then we'd never have had all those albums from For You to  and beyond. Would you rather we never had those releases? | |
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