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Reply #120 posted 08/17/06 3:26am

kidelrich

SheGaveherAngels said:

TMPletz said:


I agree! thumbs up!
WhoA ya dont Like cream well i Disagree i like the song Cream


I love the studio version, but the remix is an abomination. nod
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Reply #121 posted 08/17/06 5:53am

SoulAlive

TonyVanDam said:

Dayspring said:




not a cent. how much did you get paid to be a brain donor?


If Prince didn't approve of this project, it wouldn't be released. You know why? Because the terms of him being released from his contract in 1996 were that he delivered Chaos & Disorder, The Vault (to be released later) and the right of WB to release one compilation, the date and contents of which were to be determined later (which ended up being The Very Best Of Prince).

In fact, when this CD was first announced last winter/spring, they actually HELD OFF on putting it out, because Prince requested that the tracklist be changed (he didn't want Erotic City and Sexy MF on there). Then they held off again while 3121 was released.


And even if he didn't approve of the project, why would it be bad for Warner Bros to release it? You act as if they're getting paid and Prince isn't. I have news for you, Prince gets paid every time his music is sold or used, whether it's a Warner Bros. release or not. It's called royalties.

Second, Warner Bros. isn't even owned by the same people as it was when Prince was signed to that label. And I have news for you, if there are ever going to be re-mastered re-issues of Prince's work from 1978-1996, it's going to be through Warner Bros., so you'd better get used to the idea of buying Prince material from them. If he wanted to own his masters so badly, he'd pony up the cash to buy them from Warner Bros. He sold them to them (via his contract), he should have to buy them back if he wants it. It isn't like Warner Bros. didn't put any work and money into making Prince a mega-star and mega-millionaire all those years he was signed to them. They ought to be getting SOMETHING of a return on their investment. As I said before, if Prince actually cared about owning his masters, he'd buy them like anyone else would have to, and since he's been "#1 at the bank" (his words) since 1996, then it really shouldn't be a problem for him to do it. Or he could have negotiated it at the time he was let out of his contract. Or he could have signed a new contract (for less money) with them when the time came that stipulated that ownership of the masters would be his. This is how many, many other big name acts have gained ownership of their master recordings. Why is Prince a special case? I can guarantee you that burning his bridges by completely severing ties with them and badmouthing them for a decade certainly hasn't done him any good with respect to getting back what he believes is rightfully his. Clearly he just wants to throw tantrums and have it handed over to him free and clear. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Ford isn't coming to you and asking for your car back because they decided on a whim that they want to own everything that rightfully belongs to them. You bought the car. You own it. They bought the masters (at a pretty penny, no less), they own them. Until Prince is willing to shell out the dough for them instead of bitching and moaning about it, then all of his fans need to shut the fuck up and stop badmouthing Warner Bros. just to suck up to him.


But, of course, this is all moot, because Prince was involved in picking the tracks. shrug



What makes YOU think that Prince didn't try to buy back ALL of his masters to begin with?

And BTW, when Prince did requested to buy them back, WB said no!



this brings up an interesting question: how much are Prince's masters worth? Assuming he really did offer to buy them back from Warners,how much money do you think it would have cost him?
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Reply #122 posted 08/17/06 7:28am

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SoulAlive said:

TonyVanDam said:




What makes YOU think that Prince didn't try to buy back ALL of his masters to begin with?

And BTW, when Prince did requested to buy them back, WB said no!



this brings up an interesting question: how much are Prince's masters worth? Assuming he really did offer to buy them back from Warners,how much money do you think it would have cost him?


Back in 1999, they were estimated to be around $90 million. Some have argued that this is an inflated sum, and that WB is just trying to keep the asking price out of Prince's price range.
jedi

Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to become offended, for the taking of offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones. (Ecclesiastes 7:9)
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Reply #123 posted 08/17/06 10:13am

TMPletz

kidelrich said:

SheGaveherAngels said:

WhoA ya dont Like cream well i Disagree i like the song Cream


I love the studio version, but the remix is an abomination. nod

Again, I agree. lol
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Reply #124 posted 08/17/06 10:50am

Dayspring

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well tough shit for him then. he shouldn't have thrown a 10 year tantrum. i wouldn't sell them back to him at this point either, just to spite him.

See I knew he was Just a Prince Hater why is he wastin his time spittin venom but I guess people like Day make this site Hot LOL



I'm not a Prince hater at all. I am, however, a real person who lives in the real world of logic and consequences.
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Reply #125 posted 08/17/06 10:52am

Dayspring

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not a cent. how much did you get paid to be a brain donor?

If Prince didn't approve of this project, it wouldn't be released. You know why? Because the terms of him being released from his contract in 1996 were that he delivered Chaos & Disorder, The Vault (to be released later) and the right of WB to release one compilation, the date and contents of which were to be determined later (which ended up being The Very Best Of Prince).


GUESS WHAT. IT IS A VIOLATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS TO HOLD ANYONE PRISONER TO ANYTHING. SUCH CONTRACTS AND AGREEMENTS R, BY HOLY LAW - DEFUNCT HOAXES. BASED ON REASON OF DISCONNECTED NEURONS IN ONE'S BRAIN THAT DOESNT CONNECT WITH THE SOURCE OF ALL PURE CLEAN UNADULTERATED HOLY LOGIC.



In fact, when this CD was first announced last winter/spring, they actually HELD OFF on putting it out, because Prince requested that the tracklist be changed (he didn't want Erotic City and Sexy MF on there). Then they held off again while 3121 was released.


And even if he didn't approve of the project, why would it be bad for Warner Bros to release it? You act as if they're getting paid and Prince isn't. I have news for you, Prince gets paid every time his music is sold or used, whether it's a Warner Bros. release or not. It's called royalties.

ROYALTIES WHICH PAID A MILLION TIMES OVER 4 ANY AND ALL RIGHTS TO SAID RIGHTS AND MASTERS.

Second, Warner Bros. isn't even owned by the same people as it was when Prince was signed to that label. And I have news for you, if there are ever going to be re-mastered re-issues of Prince's work from 1978-1996, it's going to be through Warner Bros., so you'd better get used to the idea of buying Prince material from them.



[b]NO SORRY I WONT. BECAUSE I DONT DEAL WITH ILLEGAL CONTRACTS THAT VIOLATE THE BASIC RIGHTS OF THE HUMAN SPIRIT, SPIRITUAL INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY, PARASITISM OR MONEY-BASED MOTIVATED HOAXES, DELIVERED WITH SOPHISTRY, DECEIT, AND A BULLYING-TYPE IMAGINED POWER OVER OTHERS.

SUCH CONTRACTS DO NOT STAND IN THE NEW WORLD BECAUSE THEY R FLAWED ACCORDING TO PURE REASON, JUSTICE, AND RESPECT.



If he wanted to own his masters so badly, he'd pony up the cash to buy them from Warner Bros. He sold them to them (via his contract), he should have to buy them back if he wants it.


THEY CANT OWN SOMETHING THEY DIDNT CREATE. WHETHER THEY PAID FOR THEM OR NOT - THEY TECHNICALLY DO NOT OWN THE INSIDES OF ANOTHER PERSONS MIND. AGAIN - PURE LOGIC. THIS R HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUES. AND HOLY BUSINESS ISSUES PERTAINING TO WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT IS BLATANTLY WRONG WHEN PUFFING ONESELF UP IN ELITEST POWER WORSHIP OVER OTHER HUMAN BEINGS WITH THE RIGHT TO CREATE FREELY AND NOT BE HELD PRISONER WHILE DOING SO, OR ANY TIME THEREAFTER.

MANS LAWS R BOGUS HOAXES AND CAN B PROVEN AS SUCH IN ONE OF THEIR LITTLE COURTS OF LAW.


It isn't like Warner Bros. didn't put any work and money into making Prince a mega-star and mega-millionaire all those years he was signed to them.




NO ACTUALLY THEY DIDNT. THEY FINANCED THEIR OWN INTREST IN MAKING MONEY OFF SOMETHING THEY NEVER GAVE HIM OR PAID FOR AND NEVER WILL BE ABLE TO - HIS SPIRIT, HIS MIND, HIS BODY, HIS HEART.

LAST TIME I CHECKED, THEY DIDNT PAY FOR NONE OF THOSE THINGS. MONEY CANT BUY THEM. SO MUTE POINT.



They ought to be getting SOMETHING of a return on their investment.


THEY ALREADY HAVE A MILLION TIMES OVER AND WAY PAST WHAT THEY OR ANY RECORD COMPANY EVER DESERVES.


As I said before, if Prince actually cared about owning his masters, he'd buy them like anyone else would have to, and since he's been "#1 at the bank" (his words) since 1996, then it really shouldn't be a problem for him to do it.[/b] Or he could have negotiated it at the time he was let out of his contract. Or he could have signed a new contract (for less money) with them when the time came that stipulated that ownership of the masters would be his. This is how many, many other big name acts have gained ownership of their master recordings.



WRONG. ALL ARTISTS OWN THEIR RECORDINGS, MASTERS, PUBLISHING, THE SPLIT SECOND IS IT RECORDED. WHAT U R DECRIBING IS A BULLYING POWER BASED ON IGNORANCE, IT MAKES ARTISTS BELIEVE THEY DO NOT OWN THEIR WORK UNTIL THEY PAY FOR IT WITH MONEY. GUESS WHAT. ART DOESNT COME FROM RECORD COMPANIES. ALL THEY DO IS INVEST IN THE ART. THEY DO.NOT.OWN.IT. SO ANY RIGHTS OR MASTERS CANNOT BE SOLD BACK AND FORTH. IT IS AN ILLUSORY HOAX. ALL THEY'RE DOIN IS PLAYING WITH MONEY AT THE EXPENSE OF AN ARTISTS INTEGRITY, TALENT, SOUL, MIND AND HEART.

I'D CALL THAT PRETTY FUCKING EVIL WOULDNT YOU.



Why is Prince a special case? I can guarantee you that burning his bridges by completely severing ties with them and badmouthing them for a decade certainly hasn't done him any good with respect to getting back what he believes is rightfully his.



IT IS RIGHTFULLY HIS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN. HE CREATED IT. NEXT CHAPTER... GOD OWNS ALL OF IT. BUT IN MANS WORLD, PRINCE IS THE RIGHTFUL TECHNICAL OWNER OF ALL WORK, SIMPLY BY BIRTHRIGHT.

Clearly he just wants to throw tantrums and have it handed over to him free and clear. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.


YES IT DOES CUZ THEY DONT TECHNICALLY OWN IT. ITS GOT NUTHIN TO DO WITH THEIR LILY-LIVERED MONEY EITHER.


Ford isn't coming to you and asking for your car back because they decided on a whim that they want to own everything that rightfully belongs to them. You bought the car. You own it. They bought the masters (at a pretty penny, no less), they own them.



NO THEY DONT. LOVE FROM PRETTY PENELOPE ( PENNY )



Until Prince is willing to shell out the dough for them instead of bitching and moaning about it, then all of his fans need to shut the fuck up and stop badmouthing Warner Bros. just to suck up to him.


THIS IS ABOUT WHAT IS RIGHT AND GOOD IN THE EYES OF BASIC HUMAN AND SPIRITUAL RIGHTS. RECORD COMPANIES R NOT CONNECTED TO THOSE VITAL FACTORS REQUIRED IN A HARMONIOUS SOCIETY OF ART AND BASIC RESPECT. FACT.

MONEY IS THEIR GOD. FACT. WHICH MAKES ANY POWER THEY THINK THEY HAVE - NON-EXISTENT IN THE REAL WORLD.




But, of course, this is all moot, because Prince was involved in picking the tracks. shrug


AW GEE HOW KIND OF WB TO LET HIM DO THAT. THE STINK OF CORPORATE IGNORANCE IS WAFTING UP FROM THE BOWELS OF HELL. ONE CAN ONLY HOPE THEY ENJOY THEIR TIME CHASING THE FLAMES LICKING AT THEIR FEET. SO FAR, THEY MAINTAIN A DEFENSIVE POSITION, AND THANKFULLY SO, BECAUSE ANY ARTIST WHO SMELLED THE RECORD COMPANY COFFEE, WILL TAKE THAT BULLYING AS A SIGN TO STAY AWAY FROM THEM AND RELEASE THEIR OWN MUSIC, OWNED SOLEY BY THEM, ALL RIGHTS AND MASTERS OWNED SOLEY BY THEM, AS REPRESENTATIVES OF THE GOD -FORCE MUSIC ACTUALLY COMES FROM, AND GIVE THEIR MUSIC AWAY ON THE INTERNET, CUTTING THE FOUL STENCH OF CORPORATE GREED AND LICENTIOUS BLACK MAGIC, OUT OF THE PICTURE COMPLETELY.


HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY SIR. SUGGESTED READING " LIFE IN A SOVEREIGN WORLD "


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I'm sorry, but you are clearly insane, so don't bother responding to me, because I quit reading after 2 lines. When you want to join the grown ups in the real world, I'll be glad to read your crackpot ramblings. Until then, every word you've typed is irrelevant.
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Reply #126 posted 08/17/06 10:55am

Dayspring

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PurplePupil said:

sacredwarrior said:


Remember What he wrote on tha side of his face in the "Dolphon" Video trust me I know prince can be a pain at times but I got to side with the little man versus tha Coporation with their contracts that are Modern day slavery they get billions and you get millions if your Blessed like Prince is. Keep doing yo thing Purple one they gonna miss you when ur gone. come only once every thousands of years



I have to ask.... do you work for a company? That's how it works. Your employer makes the money, and pays you. It's no different for Prince. They hired him to perform a service, and they paid him handsomely for it. Unless you own your own business (and even then, it's not likely), you don't own whatever it is you "create" at your job. Are you going to walk into your employer tomorrow with "SLAVE" written on your face? I doubt it.
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Reply #127 posted 08/17/06 11:41am

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Reply #128 posted 08/17/06 12:00pm

SheGaveherAnge
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kidelrich said:

SheGaveherAngels said:

WhoA ya dont Like cream well i Disagree i like the song Cream


I love the studio version, but the remix is an abomination. nod

Oh the Remix hmm? i just like reglar cream Song
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Reply #129 posted 08/17/06 1:16pm

rudedog

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2freaky4church1 said:

No giving money to WArners. They are enemy.


Why? Cause Prince says so? Please, you automaton.
"The voter is less important than the man who provides money to the candidate," - Former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens
Rudedog no no no!
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Reply #130 posted 08/17/06 1:41pm

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A question for those of you who say you will not buy this release b/c it's WB: have you bought any of Prince's WB releases (at a used store, for example) after he split from them? What about bootlegs, or the DVD release of Purple Rain?

Cause by the train of thought expressed in the anti-WB posts it seems like you wouldn't buy any of those things either since Prince doesn't profit directly from them, which means your Prince collection is missing a lot of good stuff.

I bet even Prince buys CDs by other artist that are released on WB.
Remember when he when on the Larry King show--on a network owned by WB...

This whole WB thing should not be that serious, people...

If you want to fight "evil corporations", how about starting with Wal-Mart, Philip-Morris, Pfizer, Lockheed-Martin or Halliburton instead...
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Reply #131 posted 08/17/06 5:47pm

origmnd

isnt it against his benefit for no one to buy any WB products?

if their "value" were to be increased then couldnt he hold out for more if he agrees to contribute to remasters ?

Shouldnt he go to them and agree to provide bonus tracks for a hefty sum ?
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Reply #132 posted 08/17/06 10:25pm

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purplejewelz said:

EverlastingNow said:

It's out here in Denver already.


WHERE....WHERE? I have looked several places near me (which is down south Denver), thinking someone made a mistake and left some out or put them out early and I have had NO luck. Can u help a fellow Denverite out, please???
Thanks


The Best Buy in Westminster had about 10 of them.
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Reply #133 posted 08/17/06 11:16pm

sacredwarrior

Dayspring said:

PurplePupil said:


Remember What he wrote on tha side of his face in the "Dolphon" Video trust me I know prince can be a pain at times but I got to side with the little man versus tha Coporation with their contracts that are Modern day slavery they get billions and you get millions if your Blessed like Prince is. Keep doing yo thing Purple one they gonna miss you when ur gone. come only once every thousands of years



I have to ask.... do you work for a company? That's how it works. Your employer makes the money, and pays you. It's no different for Prince. They hired him to perform a service, and they paid him handsomely for it.



lol

looks like u got it backwards eye

the artist employs the record company

without artists, record companies wouldnt have a job

a record company invests in the talent of the artist

together they agree that the record company will do its best and fairest to get the artists music to the rest of the world or whatever geographical domain they choose that is accessed via the companie's resources

the record company is paid back the initial economic investment, then they are paid a percentage of profits via sales and publishing royalties depending on the status of the contract and whether or not they are also a publishing house

we could go as far to say that the artist and the company r 'partners' in the sense that they both bring their talents and resources together to reach a common goal, but without the artist, there is no chance of financial income for the record company.

i repeat : all revenue is primarily generated from the existence of the artist, without which, a record company is jobless.

without songwriters, record companies and publishes dont make diddly squat

it is in fact songwriters that sit AT THE TOP of the Music Industry Pyramid.

take away the writer and u got NO MUSIC.

lets see if we can put this into proper perspective hey?

in Prince;s case - for every song he wrote, he generated millions of dollars, not only for himself, but for the publishers and Warners.

Warners added their resources to the mix, enabling Prince's music to be heard on a global scale. That is THEIR JOB - A JOB WHICH THEY ARE EMPLOYED TO DO.

they pay the artist an advance fee, and seeing as that fee is RECOUPED BY THE ARTIST, that means the artist is paying THEM.

so the record company - is - beyond a shadow of a doubt - EMPLOYED BY THE ARTIST AND WOULD CEASE TO FUNCTION OR EARN ANY MONEY AT ALL WITHOUT SONGWRITERS AND ARTISTS.

you'd think they'd b a little more grateful.

watch what happens when artists stick solely to releasing their own music under their own terms on the internet.

then you may have a clearer perspective on who employed who wink
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Reply #134 posted 08/18/06 12:13am

Dayspring

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sacredwarrior said:

Dayspring said:




I have to ask.... do you work for a company? That's how it works. Your employer makes the money, and pays you. It's no different for Prince. They hired him to perform a service, and they paid him handsomely for it.



lol

looks like u got it backwards eye

the artist employs the record company

without artists, record companies wouldnt have a job
biggrin



you should have just stopped there, because nobody with half a brain is going to read past this part.

without workers, your employer wouldn't exist, so.... rolleyes
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Reply #135 posted 08/18/06 1:41am

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RitaQoS said:

One of the good things about buying this is that apart from not wanting the March release date, Prince co-operated with WB on the project and they co-operated with him on the tracks he didn't want on there (Erotic City).

So the fans that care one way or the other can buy it guilt-free, it brings Prince's profile back up in the public eye and we get the chance to hear some re-mastered Prince that just may, just may result in future, more comprehensive re-masters if this one sells well.

Buy many copies and encourage your friends to do the same.


And for that he's a twat. TodayPrince may take issue with some of YesterdayPrince's work, but that's no justification for trying to pretend what was made, wasn't.

I guess I should be glad P. is starting to get over his hissyfit and cooperate a bit though. It's nice.

Why not make a collection of lesser-known gems, dirty and otherwise, instead of a rehashing of the same songs even casual fans already have? This new collection's cool and all, but I can't get excited about purchasing things I already own.
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Reply #136 posted 08/18/06 1:44am

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wow. 14 000 plus hits. at least say Hello wave
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Reply #137 posted 08/18/06 2:39am

sacredwarrior

Dayspring said:

sacredwarrior said:




lol

looks like u got it backwards eye

the artist employs the record company

without artists, record companies wouldnt have a job
biggrin



you should have just stopped there, because nobody with half a brain is going to read past this part.

without workers, your employer wouldn't exist, so.... rolleyes



i am sorry to hear that you are a crackpot with only half a brain.

it happens to only be the left hemisphere of your brain that is currently working.

when u soften up and get some scope, the right side will kick into gear just nicely

and u'll understand every word i said.



this is what reality looks like

songwriter > artist > record company > no record company... music still exists.

and without the people who make it, the people ur defending would be unemployed

see, if i'm signed to a label, and i dont wanna write no tunes nor sing no tunes, they dont get paid.

i am the primary generator of finances.

which makes me The Boss.

dig eye


now please, get educated on Pyramids of Power, before you continue to be nought more than mere fodder, for the likes of minds like mine.

and btw. any 'worker' that creates a product - Owns the product. its called 'Intellectual Property' and a bunch of other things.

it can hardly be likened to a factory worker who sits there makin nike shoes based on someone else's design.


the Artistic Visionary is the Core Generator.

repeat that 17 times.

a 'worker' does manual labour, like Record Companies do! biggrin runnin around takin the Visionary's Art to wherever it needs to go, kinda like WORKER BEES, or ANTS.

the Queen/King just sits there churnin out the Hits, watchin all the little workers get to it and do Their Job for them
.


I Am a Musician, A Writer, A Producer, A Singer and a whole bunch of other things you cant even begin to imagine.

I Am The Boss.

you see every little idea i have is mine. no one else's. unless i let em believe so eye - out of pity.

cheers Sleepy.

and a nice bigg kiss for you. X


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Reply #138 posted 08/18/06 3:04am

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sacredwarrior said:

Dayspring said:




you should have just stopped there, because nobody with half a brain is going to read past this part.

without workers, your employer wouldn't exist, so.... rolleyes



i am sorry to hear that you are a crackpot with only half a brain.

it happens to only be the left hemisphere of your brain that is currently working.

when u soften up and get some scope, the right side will kick into gear just nicely

and u'll understand every word i said.



this is what reality looks like

songwriter > artist > record company > no record company... music still exists.

and without the people who make it, the people ur defending would be unemployed

see, if i'm signed to a label, and i dont wanna write no tunes nor sing no tunes, they dont get paid.

i am the primary generator of finances.

which makes me The Boss.

dig eye


now please, get educated on Pyramids of Power, before you continue to be nought more than mere fodder, for the likes of minds like mine.

and btw. any 'worker' that creates a product - Owns the product. its called 'Intellectual Property' and a bunch of other things.

it can hardly be likened to a factory worker who sits there makin nike shoes based on someone else's design.


the Artistic Visionary is the Core Generator.

repeat that 17 times.

a 'worker' does manual labour, like Record Companies do! biggrin runnin around takin the Visionary's Art to wherever it needs to go, kinda like WORKER BEES, or ANTS.

the Queen/King just sits there churnin out the Hits, watchin all the little workers get to it and do Their Job for them
.


I Am a Musician, A Writer, A Producer, A Singer and a whole bunch of other things you cant even begin to imagine.

I Am The Boss.

you see every little idea i have is mine. no one else's. unless i let em believe so eye - out of pity.

cheers Sleepy.

and a nice bigg kiss for you. X


heart eye heart



i'm not that deluded to think that's the boss. who created that concept in the first place.
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Reply #139 posted 08/18/06 3:21am

sacredwarrior

amateur said:

sacredwarrior said:




i am sorry to hear that you are a crackpot with only half a brain.

it happens to only be the left hemisphere of your brain that is currently working.

when u soften up and get some scope, the right side will kick into gear just nicely

and u'll understand every word i said.



this is what reality looks like

songwriter > artist > record company > no record company... music still exists.

and without the people who make it, the people ur defending would be unemployed

see, if i'm signed to a label, and i dont wanna write no tunes nor sing no tunes, they dont get paid.

i am the primary generator of finances.

which makes me The Boss.

dig eye


now please, get educated on Pyramids of Power, before you continue to be nought more than mere fodder, for the likes of minds like mine.

and btw. any 'worker' that creates a product - Owns the product. its called 'Intellectual Property' and a bunch of other things.

it can hardly be likened to a factory worker who sits there makin nike shoes based on someone else's design.


the Artistic Visionary is the Core Generator.

repeat that 17 times.

a 'worker' does manual labour, like Record Companies do! biggrin runnin around takin the Visionary's Art to wherever it needs to go, kinda like WORKER BEES, or ANTS.

the Queen/King just sits there churnin out the Hits, watchin all the little workers get to it and do Their Job for them
.


I Am a Musician, A Writer, A Producer, A Singer and a whole bunch of other things you cant even begin to imagine.

I Am The Boss.

you see every little idea i have is mine. no one else's. unless i let em believe so eye - out of pity.

cheers Sleepy.

and a nice bigg kiss for you. X


heart eye heart



i'm not that deluded to think that's the boss. who created that concept in the first place.


BOSS

- A master workman or superintendent; a director or manager; a political dictator

- the central projection of a shield.

- The enlarged part of a shaft, on which a wheel is keyed, or at the end, where it is coupled to another

- A head or reservoir of water

- a person who exercises control over workers

- a person responsible for hiring workers

- BOSS Bridgport Operating System Software. A derivative of the {ISO 1054} numerical machine control language for milling, etc.

http://www.bennetyee.org/...thod=exact



so you see - Record Companies R not The Boss

because they do not sit at the centre of. nor R they the head of, nor R they the reservoir of, the Creation of the Art they R investing in and trying to Sell.



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Reply #140 posted 08/18/06 3:51am

PurplePupil

Dayspring said:

PurplePupil said:


Remember What he wrote on tha side of his face in the "Dolphon" Video trust me I know prince can be a pain at times but I got to side with the little man versus tha Coporation with their contracts that are Modern day slavery they get billions and you get millions if your Blessed like Prince is. Keep doing yo thing Purple one they gonna miss you when ur gone. come only once every thousands of years



I have to ask.... do you work for a company? That's how it works. Your employer makes the money, and pays you. It's no different for Prince. They hired him to perform a service, and they paid him handsomely for it. Unless you own your own business (and even then, it's not likely), you don't own whatever it is you "create" at your job. Are you going to walk into your employer tomorrow with "SLAVE" written on your face? I doubt it.

Listen It was cool talking to you let's just agree to disagree 7
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Reply #141 posted 08/18/06 4:26am

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The Moment the Scam Begins

This notion that Record Companies r The Boss is Erroneous, based on all facts stated above.

It is a Presumed Position. Not fact.

The Moment the Scam begins is when they Shell Out the Money.

They pay for recording costs, and offer the Artist an 'advance' fee, so the 'poor thing' can stay alive.

This Act, does in no way suggest that the Record Company is the Boss.

The Artist is Bribed into a Submissive Position, through the act of the Financial Investment of the Record Company.


" U Owe Us Money, therefore you are beholdent to Our Final Decisions. U Have No Control. We R the Boss " - says the Record Company.

" U Invested in My Art, therefore you r on My Payroll, and u might see a Return on your investment, plus payment for your part as Workers. I Am the Boss. If U do not see a return on your investment, I shall not be held accountable for neither your poor decision to Invest in My Art, nor for your inability to market and Sell this Art. I have done My Part Successfully. I Have Created Art." - says the Artist.

It's the Money Invested by the Record Company that they Use as a platform from which to presumably 'rule over' the Artist.


This line of erroneous thinking, illogical thinking, ignorant thinking, devilish thinking, is the single cause for 'control problems' and 'power trips' and 'broken contracts' and 'artist/company fights', anywhere, ever.

Any contract that is signed under this False Belief System, is by nature of Pure Logic Alone - an Illegal Contract. A Hoax. A Scam. A Fraud. And is thereby Utterly Defunct. Any and all artists signed to such 'contracts' are immediately Free of them, by virtue of Basic Logic.

Any Record Company issuing such Bribes through Contracts, bribes which apply pressure to an artist to submit their own Power of Control over to the Investor, is committing an illegal act of Fraud and Sophistry. Sophistry is : An Argument that Deceives.

These types of contracts are Deceptive by Nature. Not Above Board. Slippery in Intent, Violating the Common Sense of both parties and the Integrity of the Artist. It is a Power Play of Deception, with Money as the Bully.

An Investor does not Own anyone or anything. A nice and Polite Investor, makes his investment, does his part, and if there is return on his Investment, he is gracious and grateful to the Creator of the Original Essence of the Product.

" Thank you so much for having me on board as an Investor in your Art. It would seem we have done well to Serve You, and the General Public. It has been a pleasure to assist in bringing your Art to others. We have received a Return on Our Investment, plus profit! Thank you for Creating this Opportunity For Us. " - says the Investor with a Sense of Pure Reason, Fortitude, Integrity, Humility and Gratitude.

" And Thank you Dear Investor, for your intitial Investment in my Art, and for doing your part, which you Humbly admit to have been paid for several times over, to make this Art more widely accesible by the general public. It has been a pleasure doing business with you and an Honor to be Your Boss during this time. Thank you for all your Wise Council! I am grateful to have listened to those parts of it that Rang True as Valid in my Very Adept Intuitive Sense of Reason. Where would a Good Boss be without Good advice??!! And I am glad that you understand that neither an Investor, nor an Advisor, is the Boss. Perhaps we shall meet again, when next I wish to Share my Art with the broader global community. The quality of your service has not gone unnoticed! "



But we have been living in a world where common sense, pure reason, logic, integrity, honesty, and gratitude have gone amiss for more than just a few decades.....

Sadly, the Erroneous Belief System of ' I Invested Money So I Am Boss ' still holds sway with those who do not have access to fully functioning brains, and Artists are Conned, their sensitivity and perhaps desires for fame and fortune, are taken Advantage of, by some of the most slippery, ignorant, Hoax-Artists this world has ever seen.

They win in courts of Law based on similar erroneous belief systems, loop-holes in contracts, slippery little under-the-table deals. They offer, in their desperation to 'maintain illusory control', to 'buy' the Artists Rights, take a chunk of their Publishing Royalties too! to which they have no legitimate claim,
once again, by nature of pure reason.

A Good Record Company invests in the art, by financing the Creation of It, if need be, marketing it, distributing it, advertising it... and when they have made their money back from SALES ONLY , and when they have been paid via profits for the service they provided , they're job is done.

There is no ' oh but we can do what we like with your Art now, because we put money into it and you owe us and u signed one of our illogical fraudulent contracts saying u agreed to that with your rights and all and publishing and blah blah blah blah blah '.

There is None.Of.That.Nonsense.

- with people who R.e.s.p.e.c.t.


Thank you PRINCE. for being one to Highlight a Problem Spot in the so-called 'Music Industry'.

I can only hope to have Shone The Light of Pure Reason On It to the very end of The Point.

Hi-Five.
Over'N'Out.


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Reply #142 posted 08/18/06 4:56am

Mong

Tough shit, he signed the contract.
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Reply #143 posted 08/18/06 5:06am

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Mong said:

Tough shit, he signed the contract.


tough shit for warner. he signed a fraudulent contract.
watch what happens next eye
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Reply #144 posted 08/18/06 5:11am

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Well, I got my e-mail this morning from play.com that my Ultimate is on it's way. lol At long last! biggrin

As for all this nonsense about slaves and WB and intellectual property - arse! If you buy from a second hand shop, Prince doesn't get paid royalties. He makes more from an album sale than WB do due his performance, production and songwriting credits.

I wish the moaners would just get over themselves. If you sign a contract giving full control to the record company in return for more cash, then tough, it's a legally binding contract. Want 'em back? Pay for them. Look at Michael Jackson and Paul McCartney - Mikey bought 'em, Paul got stroppy but at least he tried to buy them back in the first place without law suits and ridulous years in the wilderness due to weirdness.

A painter can't sell a painting and then go get it back for free whenever he feels like it!
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Reply #145 posted 08/18/06 5:39am

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sacredwarrior said:

Dayspring said:




not a cent. how much did you get paid to be a brain donor?

If Prince didn't approve of this project, it wouldn't be released. You know why? Because the terms of him being released from his contract in 1996 were that he delivered Chaos & Disorder, The Vault (to be released later) and the right of WB to release one compilation, the date and contents of which were to be determined later (which ended up being The Very Best Of Prince).


GUESS WHAT. IT IS A VIOLATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS TO HOLD ANYONE PRISONER TO ANYTHING. SUCH CONTRACTS AND AGREEMENTS R, BY HOLY LAW - DEFUNCT HOAXES. BASED ON REASON OF DISCONNECTED NEURONS IN ONE'S BRAIN THAT DOESNT CONNECT WITH THE SOURCE OF ALL PURE CLEAN UNADULTERATED HOLY LOGIC.

You're totally and utterly mad.



In fact, when this CD was first announced last winter/spring, they actually HELD OFF on putting it out, because Prince requested that the tracklist be changed (he didn't want Erotic City and Sexy MF on there). Then they held off again while 3121 was released.


And even if he didn't approve of the project, why would it be bad for Warner Bros to release it? You act as if they're getting paid and Prince isn't. I have news for you, Prince gets paid every time his music is sold or used, whether it's a Warner Bros. release or not. It's called royalties.

ROYALTIES WHICH PAID A MILLION TIMES OVER 4 ANY AND ALL RIGHTS TO SAID RIGHTS AND MASTERS.

Yeah, but Prince doesn't own them, he signed them away.

Second, Warner Bros. isn't even owned by the same people as it was when Prince was signed to that label. And I have news for you, if there are ever going to be re-mastered re-issues of Prince's work from 1978-1996, it's going to be through Warner Bros., so you'd better get used to the idea of buying Prince material from them.



[b]NO SORRY I WONT. BECAUSE I DONT DEAL WITH ILLEGAL CONTRACTS THAT VIOLATE THE BASIC RIGHTS OF THE HUMAN SPIRIT, SPIRITUAL INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY, PARASITISM OR MONEY-BASED MOTIVATED HOAXES, DELIVERED WITH SOPHISTRY, DECEIT, AND A BULLYING-TYPE IMAGINED POWER OVER OTHERS.

SUCH CONTRACTS DO NOT STAND IN THE NEW WORLD BECAUSE THEY R FLAWED ACCORDING TO PURE REASON, JUSTICE, AND RESPECT.


It's not illegal, it's lawful. Spiritual Intellectual Property is made up by mad people with a screw loose. Pure reason dictates that when you sign a bit of paper selling your masters, you don't own them anymore! Common sense.


If he wanted to own his masters so badly, he'd pony up the cash to buy them from Warner Bros. He sold them to them (via his contract), he should have to buy them back if he wants it.


THEY CANT OWN SOMETHING THEY DIDNT CREATE. WHETHER THEY PAID FOR THEM OR NOT - THEY TECHNICALLY DO NOT OWN THE INSIDES OF ANOTHER PERSONS MIND. AGAIN - PURE LOGIC. THIS R HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUES. AND HOLY BUSINESS ISSUES PERTAINING TO WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT IS BLATANTLY WRONG WHEN PUFFING ONESELF UP IN ELITEST POWER WORSHIP OVER OTHER HUMAN BEINGS WITH THE RIGHT TO CREATE FREELY AND NOT BE HELD PRISONER WHILE DOING SO, OR ANY TIME THEREAFTER.

MANS LAWS R BOGUS HOAXES AND CAN B PROVEN AS SUCH IN ONE OF THEIR LITTLE COURTS OF LAW.


Yes they can, just like I own a painting or any other material posession which has been created by somebody else.

It isn't like Warner Bros. didn't put any work and money into making Prince a mega-star and mega-millionaire all those years he was signed to them.




NO ACTUALLY THEY DIDNT. THEY FINANCED THEIR OWN INTREST IN MAKING MONEY OFF SOMETHING THEY NEVER GAVE HIM OR PAID FOR AND NEVER WILL BE ABLE TO - HIS SPIRIT, HIS MIND, HIS BODY, HIS HEART.

LAST TIME I CHECKED, THEY DIDNT PAY FOR NONE OF THOSE THINGS. MONEY CANT BUY THEM. SO MUTE POINT.


No, they made money from selling his records just like he did!


They ought to be getting SOMETHING of a return on their investment.


THEY ALREADY HAVE A MILLION TIMES OVER AND WAY PAST WHAT THEY OR ANY RECORD COMPANY EVER DESERVES.

So what!?


As I said before, if Prince actually cared about owning his masters, he'd buy them like anyone else would have to, and since he's been "#1 at the bank" (his words) since 1996, then it really shouldn't be a problem for him to do it.[/b] Or he could have negotiated it at the time he was let out of his contract. Or he could have signed a new contract (for less money) with them when the time came that stipulated that ownership of the masters would be his. This is how many, many other big name acts have gained ownership of their master recordings.



WRONG. ALL ARTISTS OWN THEIR RECORDINGS, MASTERS, PUBLISHING, THE SPLIT SECOND IS IT RECORDED. WHAT U R DECRIBING IS A BULLYING POWER BASED ON IGNORANCE, IT MAKES ARTISTS BELIEVE THEY DO NOT OWN THEIR WORK UNTIL THEY PAY FOR IT WITH MONEY. GUESS WHAT. ART DOESNT COME FROM RECORD COMPANIES. ALL THEY DO IS INVEST IN THE ART. THEY DO.NOT.OWN.IT. SO ANY RIGHTS OR MASTERS CANNOT BE SOLD BACK AND FORTH. IT IS AN ILLUSORY HOAX. ALL THEY'RE DOIN IS PLAYING WITH MONEY AT THE EXPENSE OF AN ARTISTS INTEGRITY, TALENT, SOUL, MIND AND HEART.

I'D CALL THAT PRETTY FUCKING EVIL WOULDNT YOU.


Wrong, if you sign a contract saying someone else owns them, you don't own anything.


Why is Prince a special case? I can guarantee you that burning his bridges by completely severing ties with them and badmouthing them for a decade certainly hasn't done him any good with respect to getting back what he believes is rightfully his.



IT IS RIGHTFULLY HIS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN. HE CREATED IT. NEXT CHAPTER... GOD OWNS ALL OF IT. BUT IN MANS WORLD, PRINCE IS THE RIGHTFUL TECHNICAL OWNER OF ALL WORK, SIMPLY BY BIRTHRIGHT.

It was his until he sold it all for profit.

Clearly he just wants to throw tantrums and have it handed over to him free and clear. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.


YES IT DOES CUZ THEY DONT TECHNICALLY OWN IT. ITS GOT NUTHIN TO DO WITH THEIR LILY-LIVERED MONEY EITHER.

Technically, they do.


Ford isn't coming to you and asking for your car back because they decided on a whim that they want to own everything that rightfully belongs to them. You bought the car. You own it. They bought the masters (at a pretty penny, no less), they own them.



NO THEY DONT. LOVE FROM PRETTY PENELOPE ( PENNY )



Until Prince is willing to shell out the dough for them instead of bitching and moaning about it, then all of his fans need to shut the fuck up and stop badmouthing Warner Bros. just to suck up to him.


THIS IS ABOUT WHAT IS RIGHT AND GOOD IN THE EYES OF BASIC HUMAN AND SPIRITUAL RIGHTS. RECORD COMPANIES R NOT CONNECTED TO THOSE VITAL FACTORS REQUIRED IN A HARMONIOUS SOCIETY OF ART AND BASIC RESPECT. FACT.

MONEY IS THEIR GOD. FACT. WHICH MAKES ANY POWER THEY THINK THEY HAVE - NON-EXISTENT IN THE REAL WORLD.


They are a business, just like Prince is. He sold his masters to them for money. He wants them back, he must pay.



But, of course, this is all moot, because Prince was involved in picking the tracks. shrug


AW GEE HOW KIND OF WB TO LET HIM DO THAT. THE STINK OF CORPORATE IGNORANCE IS WAFTING UP FROM THE BOWELS OF HELL. ONE CAN ONLY HOPE THEY ENJOY THEIR TIME CHASING THE FLAMES LICKING AT THEIR FEET. SO FAR, THEY MAINTAIN A DEFENSIVE POSITION, AND THANKFULLY SO, BECAUSE ANY ARTIST WHO SMELLED THE RECORD COMPANY COFFEE, WILL TAKE THAT BULLYING AS A SIGN TO STAY AWAY FROM THEM AND RELEASE THEIR OWN MUSIC, OWNED SOLEY BY THEM, ALL RIGHTS AND MASTERS OWNED SOLEY BY THEM, AS REPRESENTATIVES OF THE GOD -FORCE MUSIC ACTUALLY COMES FROM, AND GIVE THEIR MUSIC AWAY ON THE INTERNET, CUTTING THE FOUL STENCH OF CORPORATE GREED AND LICENTIOUS BLACK MAGIC, OUT OF THE PICTURE COMPLETELY.


HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY SIR. SUGGESTED READING " LIFE IN A SOVEREIGN WORLD "

Bonkers, absolute bonkers.

Suggested reading: the BBC website. It's got all sorts of real life stuff on there like news and sport. You might find out you're on Earth if you do some research.



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Reply #146 posted 08/18/06 6:13am

Abrazo

sacredwarrior said:

Mong said:

Tough shit, he signed the contract.


tough shit for warner. he signed a fraudulent contract.
watch what happens next eye


I would like to see you make that case in court. See if it holds. smile

But I have another idea too...

Your reasoning that these are "fraudulent contracts" is based on the fact that record companies offer artists an ADVANCE PAYMENT. With that advance, you say, they "bribe" the artist into a "employer - employee" relationship in which the record company has full control over everything.

Now, would it be a good idea for artists to stop accepting those advance payments?

Especially for a major artist like mr. "no 1 in the bank" Nelson, who really doesn't need advances because he has enough money of his own to finance the recording sessions and the production of his cd's. He merely needs a distribution agreement.

Following your logic, once artists refuse these advance payments the record companies can no longer "bribe" them into accepting the other terms of the contract such as transfer of ownership of copyright, low royalty percentages for the artists and long term exclusive recording agreements.

But something tells me that even artists like Prince just can't resist these sweet advances that always help you become no 1 at the bank again. Well at least for a little while...



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Reply #147 posted 08/18/06 6:55am

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sacredwarrior said:

dig eye

and btw. any 'worker' that creates a product - Owns the product. its called 'Intellectual Property' and a bunch of other things.


actually, you are incorrect. if someone creates a work based on a "work for hire" they DO NOT own the intellectual property rights to that product. The ONLY reason Prince owns his masters (and he does own them, not WB, he merely assigned the rights to them for 35 years to WB) is because it is not a "work for hire" situation. He is not their "employee", it is a contract between two entities The designer of the nike shoes.....does not own the intellectual property rights because he is an EMPLOYEE of Nike, and therefore the design was created under a "work for hire" scenario.

If you wanna preach about intellectual property rights, you really ought to read up on it first wink , and then provide facts to support your position, as I have done in my responses about intellectual property rights.

See 217 U.S.C. § 201(a) and (b):
§ 201. Ownership of copyright(a) Initial Ownership. — Copyright in a work protected under this title vests initially in the author or authors of the work. The authors of a joint work are coowner of copyright in the work.

(b) Works Made for Hire.In the case of a work made for hire, the employer or other person for whom the work was prepared is considered the author for purposes of this title, and, unless the parties have expressly agreed otherwise in a written instrument signed by them, owns all of the rights comprised in the copyright.
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Reply #148 posted 08/18/06 9:54am

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Peeps should buy it in the hope that both WB and Prince see there's a sizeable audience in place to get some remasters done on the classic albums. Finally.

This album needs support IMO.
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Reply #149 posted 08/18/06 11:57am

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I don't think Warner Bros are releasing anything new. They are trying to make more money. Besides most Prince Fam's have all, if not two copies of the 12's and the like. A better CD would be to have Prince release more of his songs from the vault. I just believe the Warner is preying on the loyalty of the Prince fam's and Prince's achieving acclaim in the public eyes again.
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