Funkateer said:

Holy shit, now that is a little disappointing I have to admit.

dang it... I caint play RAM... what is it!!!???

ufoclub said:

You've got to find it. It is a little more significant than "Do Me Baby" and a more obvious rip off as far as I'm concerned.

Graycap23 said:

and you feel threatened by my post.....you need help my brutha!!! My original post only points out the fact that you would be DISMAYED by this. YOU took it out of context that I was personally attacking you for thinking that way. If it busted your Prince bubble that two songs could be of the same chord and melody, I would say that you should get out of the house more. If you and your music buddies found time in a busy day to compare and accuse an artist for what HE might have done....than again, you must have ALOT of meaningless time on your hands, to even worry about this. Thats all...didnt mean to rub you the wrong way.....and now clones, back to the most meaningless post on here in the new year...carry on!!!

Someone orged me telling me to get over to this post and get busy. Dig, many folks on here knows that I've done session work with playing lead guitar on some things with Mr. Cymone back in 95. One of them including a session with Mr. Morris Day. Anyway, during this session, while I was cuting my solo on this Morris track, Andre said how much my playing reminded him of Eddie Hazel. He said that Hazel was one of his AND P's favorite guitarist and that they used to wear out Hazel's solo album in the 70's. Anyway, it's no secret that P took Andre's song "Do Me, Baby". I heard it from the horse's mouth. Hazel is a main influence of mine, and I too have long since noticed the bite from "Frantic Moment". There's no doubt in my brain that Andre lifted from Frantic Moment in Do Me, Baby. I wrote a thread about this very song a long time ago over in the Non Music forum.

blackguitaristz said:

Cool. That says it all doesn't it. thanks for the info. -Mg

NPGman said:

Just to be clear, you cannot possible think I was actually threaten by your post. Your attitude was quite clear. But I am puzzled. If this post/thread is so meaningless, why are u here? I don't quite get that. -Mg

roanmairin said:

That really doesn't surprise me at all. It seems like 95% of the stuff in the 50/60's all sound damn near just a like. You almost can't tell one track from another from back in those days. The crunk music from Lil Jon and others all seem to use the same tracks from today's music. I guess the more things change the more they remain the same. -Mg

okay, i heard it, but actually I'm still more surprised by Do Me Baby sounding like something because that is more of a song, song,

This one (are we keeping it a secret?) always did sound like a typical old fashioned blues/r&B song that was just redone with some crazy electro minimalism.

Graycap23 said:

Yeah, but Kiss was one of his biggest songs and this Helene Smith tune shares more than a passing reference.

roanmairin said:

You heard Kiss in THAT song? I need to listen agian. I hear a JB rip in that song. -Mg

Graycap23 said:

I'm not surprised. Prince has many influences P-Funk being a heavy one like James Brown. America has a James Brown/Funkadelic bite. If I Was Your Girlfriend is a direct lift from a Mtume song. The beginning of Fury is a lift from a Funkadelic tune. Only surprise is to people with limited music knowledge.

I have not listened to Frantic Moment to compare although I do own the lp. Memory serves me it is not note for note but I'll have to go back to take a listen.

roanmairin said:

Ok, I hear it now but that is a BIG stretch from being a rip off. No comparison to the Frantic clip. -Mg

Graycap23 said:

"You don't have to be black, to be in the dark."

"You don't have to be beautiful, to turn me on."

You didn't here ANY similarity? Obviously it sounds like JB what funk doesn't owe somethng to JB?

Graycap23 said:

Sorry, not with you on that one. The frantic clip took me a while. This one the lyrics barely changed.
[Edited 2/28/06 17:39pm]

roanmairin said:

I hear the melody that you speak of. I would not call that a rip in the true sense of the word. -Mg

roanmairin said:

The beginning of "Kiss" is right out of "Papa's Got A Brand New Bag"

Graycap23 said:

nvm
[Edited 2/28/06 18:13pm]

AnckSuNamun said:

I agree. that's basically why I've almost NEVER posted here until this past week. I've been around for about 13 years on the PPML, amp, etc and i just stopped posting. Way too much drama. -Mg

Graycap23 said:

whoa, i sooooo do not hear kiss musically in there, i get the lyrical ref. tho

Moonwalkbjrain said:

Whoa! That IS scary! I can see the feel that both are derivative of Papa's Got a Brand New Bag (tho I never thought of that re Kiss b4!), but this is mighty close. OTOH, I would still say it's probably sub-conscious and not a deliberate rip.

It's actually cool to check out the connections. The thing is, black music and culture, and funk in particular is and has always been about intertextual connections, not about originality. I remember Billy whatever-his-name-is from the Smashing Pumpkuns complaining how everyone said he was trying to sound like Pink Floyd. He said that he had just seen Prince play in Minneapolis and that Prince wears his influences on his sleeve. He was saying that for Prince it's a compliment and an aim to say that he sounds like Sly, JB, GC, SW, Hendrix etc. He used the expression standing on the shoulders of giants or something.

I think that hits the nail on the head - originality is in what you do with your influences, not in trying to sound like your mothership just landed from the pyramids (or maybe it is!)

what about America! that is a tottal rip off! ::RUNS::

DynamicSavior said:

Kiss is a deliberate tribute to the pioneering funk of JB. No one could hear the "turn around" in Kiss and not think of James. Prince was updating the sound with his distinctive cleverness.

it has a similar progression, but good ears!

jdcxc said:

You guys have some really good ears. I NEVER would have heard Kiss from this track but I clearly see/hear what you are talking about. Very interesting. Thanks. -Mg

Test

Who cares. It's a killer song

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Who cares? You be surprise how many responses I've received about this. I was really surprised myself. It's all good though. -Mg

Graycap23 said:

Prince has enough original material to put most artists to shame so it's all good far as I'm concerned.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

No doubt.