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Reply #30 posted 02/25/06 10:28pm

Graycap23

TheBigBang said:

I won't believe any of this until I hear the comparison. I find it odd that, 25 years later, you're the one all of a sudden bringing this to everyone's attention.


If there is someone out there that can post the track for people to hear, just let me know. -Mg
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Reply #31 posted 02/25/06 10:30pm

Graycap23

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I found a link to the song. I hope this doesn't screw up the site from where I got it. I don't see anything exact about the two songs at all.

But, you be the judge...

http://www.onesoulfulnegr...moment.mp3


Not the entire song, do you people read?
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Reply #32 posted 02/25/06 10:31pm

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Graycap23 said:

TheBigBang said:

I found a link to the song. I hope this doesn't screw up the site from where I got it. I don't see anything exact about the two songs at all.

But, you be the judge...

http://www.onesoulfulnegr...moment.mp3


Not the entire song, do you people read?


I read just fine, and I don't hear what you're talking about. You've come here and basically accused Prince of ripping off this song. And I'm saying to you, I don't hear it.
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Reply #33 posted 02/25/06 10:35pm

Graycap23

TheBigBang said:

Graycap23 said:



Not the entire song, do you people read?


I read just fine, and I don't hear what you're talking about. You've come here and basically accused Prince of ripping off this song. And I'm saying to you, I don't hear it.


Number one, I asked the q, number 2: I'll gladly send you some qtips and some soap. Every musician that I've played this to today can clearly hear it. -Mg
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Reply #34 posted 02/25/06 10:43pm

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Every musician you played it to today instantly knew that Prince ripped off Do Me Baby from Frantic Moment? I think not. You told us to tell you that you're wrong, and I'm telling you that you are wrong.

But, like I said, we'll just wait while people that check out the track weigh in with their opinions.
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Reply #35 posted 02/25/06 10:52pm

Graycap23

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Every musician you played it to today instantly knew that Prince ripped off Do Me Baby from Frantic Moment? I think not. You told us to tell you that you're wrong, and I'm telling you that you are wrong.

But, like I said, we'll just wait while people that check out the track weigh in with their opinions.


You don't comprehend very well do you. It went something like this:
Yo, check this out and tell me where you have heard this track. I play the track, they respond, "oh that's prince". I say Prince what? They say, "do me baby". I say no it's not, it's Eddie hazel.....Then I pull out Prince's version and play it. We all just sit here in silence.

Now that I have painted a picture, u don't have to add your own RANDOM thoughts to the process. Dig?
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Reply #36 posted 02/25/06 10:55pm

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Graycap23 said:

TheBigBang said:

Every musician you played it to today instantly knew that Prince ripped off Do Me Baby from Frantic Moment? I think not. You told us to tell you that you're wrong, and I'm telling you that you are wrong.

But, like I said, we'll just wait while people that check out the track weigh in with their opinions.


You don't comprehend very well do you. It went something like this:
Yo, check this out and tell me where you have heard this track. I play the track, they respond, "oh that's prince". I say Prince what? They say, "do me baby". I say no it's not, it's Eddie hazel.....Then I pull out Prince's version and play it. We all just sit here in silence.

Now that I have painted a picture, u don't have to add your own RANDOM thoughts to the process. Dig?


I won't go back and forth on this anymore. I listened to the track. I'm not a musician. But I don't have to be to tell you that there is NOTHING in the song that suggests to me that Prince, or Andre Cymone, lifted any part of it for use in the song Do Me, Baby. I don't hear it.

I'm done with you.
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Reply #37 posted 02/25/06 10:59pm

Graycap23

TheBigBang said:

Graycap23 said:



You don't comprehend very well do you. It went something like this:
Yo, check this out and tell me where you have heard this track. I play the track, they respond, "oh that's prince". I say Prince what? They say, "do me baby". I say no it's not, it's Eddie hazel.....Then I pull out Prince's version and play it. We all just sit here in silence.

Now that I have painted a picture, u don't have to add your own RANDOM thoughts to the process. Dig?


I won't go back and forth on this anymore. I listened to the track. I'm not a musician. But I don't have to be to tell you that there is NOTHING in the song that suggests to me that Prince, or Andre Cymone, lifted any part of it for use in the song Do Me, Baby. I don't hear it.

I'm done with you.


Tone deaf?
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Reply #38 posted 02/25/06 11:36pm

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don't worry about it Graycap23, it's obviously the same musical idea, whether or not it is an intentional rip or a subconscious one is a mystery, but it happens all the time to great artists as they pull from their musical vocabulary which is formed by all that they have ever heard. I'm finding out these days that John Williams (movie composer) has lifted many ideas and arrangements from classical pieces before his time.

there are many other prince songs that also lift melodies or ideas from previous artists songs.... like Erotic City from White Horse, but that's the nature of pop(ular) music as a genre.
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Reply #39 posted 02/25/06 11:45pm

Graycap23

ufoclub said:

don't worry about it Graycap23, it's obviously the same musical idea, whether or not it is an intentional rip or a subconscious one is a mystery, but it happens all the time to great artists as they pull from their musical vocabulary which is formed by all that they have ever heard. I'm finding out these days that John Williams (movie composer) has lifted many ideas and arrangements from classical pieces before his time.

there are many other prince songs that also lift melodies or ideas from previous artists songs.... like Erotic City from White Horse, but that's the nature of pop(ular) music as a genre.


I agree with you 100%. In this case, I was just so surprised that it's Prince and it's so close to the original. I would have never believed it if I had not hear it for myself. -Mg
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Reply #40 posted 02/26/06 12:15am

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did he not had the same thing with SOUL SANCTUARY?
Thank God this ain't Monopoly
U'd make us all go back 2 start
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Reply #41 posted 02/26/06 1:20am

QuakeXLE

Why are poeple so shocked when they learn that no matter the genius Prince is... he is still a human being first and susceptable to the same daily influencs the rest of us are.

Wow... so what if Andre heard a rift and subconciously played it in a jam session

So what if an immature Prince ( he was late teens early 20ish around this time) did the 'crime' of using a friends rift in a song, He tried to make ammends.

Mores o than any thing else... THIS ONE SONG DID NOT MAKE OR BREAK THE CAREER OF PRINCE in fact, it's usually not mentioned as one of the best tracks from the Controvery album.

When compared to the hundreds of songs Prince has authored SOLO prior and since, as well as the few which he shares some sortof credit for... the issolated few which may have questiobable origins only prove that he is still human.
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Reply #42 posted 02/26/06 1:31am

KrystleEyes

Thanks Graycap23 for the soundfile from that Frantic Moment song - that blows my mind - yup, definately Do Me Baby. Virtually note for note! TheBigBang, how can you not hear it??!! Here's a link to the piece from the track (Eddie Hazel's "Frantic Moment") I was sent - let the jury decide and the discussion continue...
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=08AQE2HO
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Reply #43 posted 02/26/06 6:08am

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KrystleEyes said:

Thanks Graycap23 for the soundfile from that Frantic Moment song - that blows my mind - yup, definately Do Me Baby. Virtually note for note! TheBigBang, how can you not hear it??!! Here's a link to the piece from the track (Eddie Hazel's "Frantic Moment") I was sent - let the jury decide and the discussion continue...
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=08AQE2HO


Note for note? No, I don't hear that.

However, after giving the track multiple listens, I can definitely hear what Graycap23 was talking about. And I apologize for being such a prick.

Can I get some salt with this crow?
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Reply #44 posted 02/26/06 6:34am

HalluRain

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OK I still don't hear it. At what timeframe in the song does it come in? Is it in the bass, keyboards, guitar? Help me out here.....
I've gone to find myself. If I should return before I get back, keep me here.
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Reply #45 posted 02/26/06 7:01am

JPW

I'll give you this:

It is exactly the same chord progression.

That much is entirely the same.

Prince may have changed key, I haven't analaysed it that far, but the intervals and tonality of the chords is EXACTLY THE SAME.

This could be a common progression among funk players of the time, however.
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Reply #46 posted 02/26/06 7:39am

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lol
Space for sale...
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Reply #47 posted 02/26/06 8:49am

funkii

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Graycap23 said:




I just can't believe that Prince would use someone else's work like that. Thanks, I did not know that Prince got the song from Cymone.-Mg


betcha by golly wow

look that one up
You saw the apple
hanging on the tree,
But missed the orchid
in your gaze
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Reply #48 posted 02/26/06 9:03am

JonnyApplesauc
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Newsflash - Prince is a sponge. Dont hate. Its flattering to see yourself in his work.
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Reply #49 posted 02/26/06 9:26am

Graycap23

JonnyApplesauce said:

Newsflash - Prince is a sponge. Dont hate. Its flattering to see yourself in his work.



That Miles quote is funny as hell.....lol.
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Reply #50 posted 02/26/06 9:38am

WaterUdrink

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sosgemini said:

lol

what u laughin at? lol
"I'll be the first one to admit that I am many things, but one thing I am not is ungrateful...thank you..." - Prince
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Reply #51 posted 02/26/06 9:48am

Graycap23

funkii said:

Graycap23 said:




I just can't believe that Prince would use someone else's work like that. Thanks, I did not know that Prince got the song from Cymone.-Mg


betcha by golly wow

look that one up


Betch is a cover song. That is NOT even close to what we are talking about here.
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Reply #52 posted 02/26/06 9:53am

Graycap23

QuakeXLE said:

Why are poeple so shocked when they learn that no matter the genius Prince is... he is still a human being first and susceptable to the same daily influencs the rest of us are.

Wow... so what if Andre heard a rift and subconciously played it in a jam session

So what if an immature Prince ( he was late teens early 20ish around this time) did the 'crime' of using a friends rift in a song, He tried to make ammends.

Mores o than any thing else... THIS ONE SONG DID NOT MAKE OR BREAK THE CAREER OF PRINCE in fact, it's usually not mentioned as one of the best tracks from the Controvery album.

When compared to the hundreds of songs Prince has authored SOLO prior and since, as well as the few which he shares some sortof credit for... the issolated few which may have questiobable origins only prove that he is still human.


All of that sounds good and I basically agree.....but I'm still shocked by this. Maybe I put Prince above the "lessor" talents of the world. When I heard this track I almost crashed my car because I was not believeing what I was hearing.....can u dig?
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Reply #53 posted 02/26/06 10:49am

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Graycap23 said:

QuakeXLE said:

Why are poeple so shocked when they learn that no matter the genius Prince is... he is still a human being first and susceptable to the same daily influencs the rest of us are.

Wow... so what if Andre heard a rift and subconciously played it in a jam session

So what if an immature Prince ( he was late teens early 20ish around this time) did the 'crime' of using a friends rift in a song, He tried to make ammends.

Mores o than any thing else... THIS ONE SONG DID NOT MAKE OR BREAK THE CAREER OF PRINCE in fact, it's usually not mentioned as one of the best tracks from the Controvery album.

When compared to the hundreds of songs Prince has authored SOLO prior and since, as well as the few which he shares some sortof credit for... the issolated few which may have questiobable origins only prove that he is still human.


All of that sounds good and I basically agree.....but I'm still shocked by this. Maybe I put Prince above the "lessor" talents of the world. When I heard this track I almost crashed my car because I was not believeing what I was hearing.....can u dig?


So is he now a lesser talent because he may have been consciously or subconsciously influenced by 'frantic moment'?

its much more common than you think even amongst the greatesst of musicians.
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Reply #54 posted 02/26/06 10:51am

Graycap23

dealodelandron said:

Graycap23 said:



All of that sounds good and I basically agree.....but I'm still shocked by this. Maybe I put Prince above the "lessor" talents of the world. When I heard this track I almost crashed my car because I was not believeing what I was hearing.....can u dig?


So is he now a lesser talent because he may have been consciously or subconsciously influenced by 'frantic moment'?

its much more common than you think even amongst the greatesst of musicians.


WTF? Did I say Prince was a lessor talent?
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Reply #55 posted 02/26/06 10:54am

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Graycap23 said:

dealodelandron said:



So is he now a lesser talent because he may have been consciously or subconsciously influenced by 'frantic moment'?

its much more common than you think even amongst the greatesst of musicians.


WTF? Did I say Prince was a lessor talent?


Note the question mark. It was a question. Not an attack.
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Reply #56 posted 02/26/06 10:56am

Graycap23

dealodelandron said:

Graycap23 said:



WTF? Did I say Prince was a lessor talent?


Note the question mark. It was a question. Not an attack.


Just to be clear, Prince will NEVER be a lessor talent to anyone, anyplace, anytime. -Mg
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Reply #57 posted 02/26/06 11:01am

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Graycap23 said:

dealodelandron said:



Note the question mark. It was a question. Not an attack.


Just to be clear, Prince will NEVER be a lessor talent to anyone, anyplace, anytime. -Mg


Gotcha. I agree.
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Reply #58 posted 02/26/06 11:31am

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If you're going to borrow, then borrow from the best, the PFunk!
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Reply #59 posted 02/26/06 11:52am

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vainandy said:

laurarichardson said:

Nevermind that he did not write Dance Electric but he did not have any trouble going along with the public thinking he wrote it back in "85"


Oh really? Well I'll have to pull Andre's "AC" album when I get home but I do believe that Prince is listed on it.

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Well if P is mentioned on the record as the writer than Andre could have turned the song down. After all he is the one that goes around bitching about how he could have done this or that if P had not stolen this song from him.

Andre could have just not worked with P ever again in life but he did. So my guess is he was not that upset about it and he needs to stop bitching and get over it.

He had his chance with Jodi Watley and he fucked that up by all accounts.

Anyway it is Andre's word agaist P since know one else has backed up the story.
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