TheBigBang said:

If there is someone out there that can post the track for people to hear, just let me know. -Mg

TheBigBang said:

Not the entire song, do you people read?

Graycap23 said:

I read just fine, and I don't hear what you're talking about. You've come here and basically accused Prince of ripping off this song. And I'm saying to you, I don't hear it.

TheBigBang said:

Number one, I asked the q, number 2: I'll gladly send you some qtips and some soap. Every musician that I've played this to today can clearly hear it. -Mg

Every musician you played it to today instantly knew that Prince ripped off Do Me Baby from Frantic Moment? I think not. You told us to tell you that you're wrong, and I'm telling you that you are wrong.

But, like I said, we'll just wait while people that check out the track weigh in with their opinions.

TheBigBang said:

You don't comprehend very well do you. It went something like this:
Yo, check this out and tell me where you have heard this track. I play the track, they respond, "oh that's prince". I say Prince what? They say, "do me baby". I say no it's not, it's Eddie hazel.....Then I pull out Prince's version and play it. We all just sit here in silence.

Now that I have painted a picture, u don't have to add your own RANDOM thoughts to the process. Dig?

Graycap23 said:

I won't go back and forth on this anymore. I listened to the track. I'm not a musician. But I don't have to be to tell you that there is NOTHING in the song that suggests to me that Prince, or Andre Cymone, lifted any part of it for use in the song Do Me, Baby. I don't hear it.

I'm done with you.

TheBigBang said:

Tone deaf?

don't worry about it Graycap23, it's obviously the same musical idea, whether or not it is an intentional rip or a subconscious one is a mystery, but it happens all the time to great artists as they pull from their musical vocabulary which is formed by all that they have ever heard. I'm finding out these days that John Williams (movie composer) has lifted many ideas and arrangements from classical pieces before his time.

there are many other prince songs that also lift melodies or ideas from previous artists songs.... like Erotic City from White Horse, but that's the nature of pop(ular) music as a genre.

ufoclub said:

I agree with you 100%. In this case, I was just so surprised that it's Prince and it's so close to the original. I would have never believed it if I had not hear it for myself. -Mg

did he not had the same thing with SOUL SANCTUARY?

Why are poeple so shocked when they learn that no matter the genius Prince is... he is still a human being first and susceptable to the same daily influencs the rest of us are.

Wow... so what if Andre heard a rift and subconciously played it in a jam session

So what if an immature Prince ( he was late teens early 20ish around this time) did the 'crime' of using a friends rift in a song, He tried to make ammends.

Mores o than any thing else... THIS ONE SONG DID NOT MAKE OR BREAK THE CAREER OF PRINCE in fact, it's usually not mentioned as one of the best tracks from the Controvery album.

When compared to the hundreds of songs Prince has authored SOLO prior and since, as well as the few which he shares some sortof credit for... the issolated few which may have questiobable origins only prove that he is still human.

Thanks Graycap23 for the soundfile from that Frantic Moment song - that blows my mind - yup, definately Do Me Baby. Virtually note for note! TheBigBang, how can you not hear it??!! Here's a link to the piece from the track (Eddie Hazel's "Frantic Moment") I was sent - let the jury decide and the discussion continue...
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=08AQE2HO

KrystleEyes said:

Note for note? No, I don't hear that.

However, after giving the track multiple listens, I can definitely hear what Graycap23 was talking about. And I apologize for being such a prick.

Can I get some salt with this crow?
[Edited 2/26/06 6:08am]

OK I still don't hear it. At what timeframe in the song does it come in? Is it in the bass, keyboards, guitar? Help me out here.....

I'll give you this:

It is exactly the same chord progression.

That much is entirely the same.

Prince may have changed key, I haven't analaysed it that far, but the intervals and tonality of the chords is EXACTLY THE SAME.

This could be a common progression among funk players of the time, however.

Graycap23 said:

betcha by golly wow

look that one up

Newsflash - Prince is a sponge. Dont hate. Its flattering to see yourself in his work.

JonnyApplesauce said:

That Miles quote is funny as hell.....lol.

sosgemini said:

what u laughin at?

funkii said:

Betch is a cover song. That is NOT even close to what we are talking about here.

QuakeXLE said:

All of that sounds good and I basically agree.....but I'm still shocked by this. Maybe I put Prince above the "lessor" talents of the world. When I heard this track I almost crashed my car because I was not believeing what I was hearing.....can u dig?

Graycap23 said:

So is he now a lesser talent because he may have been consciously or subconsciously influenced by 'frantic moment'?

its much more common than you think even amongst the greatesst of musicians.

dealodelandron said:

WTF? Did I say Prince was a lessor talent?

Graycap23 said:

Note the question mark. It was a question. Not an attack.

dealodelandron said:

Just to be clear, Prince will NEVER be a lessor talent to anyone, anyplace, anytime. -Mg

Graycap23 said:

Gotcha. I agree.

If you're going to borrow, then borrow from the best, the PFunk!

vainandy said:

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Well if P is mentioned on the record as the writer than Andre could have turned the song down. After all he is the one that goes around bitching about how he could have done this or that if P had not stolen this song from him.

Andre could have just not worked with P ever again in life but he did. So my guess is he was not that upset about it and he needs to stop bitching and get over it.

He had his chance with Jodi Watley and he fucked that up by all accounts.

Anyway it is Andre's word agaist P since know one else has backed up the story.