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Reply #150 posted 02/23/06 11:15am

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PurpleRein said:

MarcelJ said:

Ok PK, in your eyes Prince is washed up as far as hits go. I still think he's got something in the tank. In fact, the reason I believe he does, is that he seems to want a challenge. I think he avoided his own sound for all these years to try to reinvent himself and make things harder. Now that it appears he's too old to pull it off, it's tough and he's "willing to do the work". I'm enjoying the ride as much as ever. Fury and Black Sweat are awesome and I think he deserves the success he's had recently on MTV's top 10 and iTunes. I'll never count the man out, not again anyway..


This is not a Prince issue, Marcel. This is a clear channel..and other radio conglomerate issue. Paul McCartney can't get a song on the charts. Nor the Rolling Stones..nor many other talented MUSICIANS. Nor can Prince. If it isn't Ashley Simpson (puke) or Eminem, it's not going to play on the radio. It's a sad sad fact. Playlists are so damned tight now that talented people who actually sing, or play musical instruments can't be heard. Every other song sounds like the one before it. If it isnt some garage band, its avril lavigne, or Weezer...or Green day..over...and over...and over again. The old days of FM radio are gone, where dj's got to actually choose their own songs, and they could go deep into an album. Its just the sad state of affairs, and they want to know why XM and Sirius satellite radio is becoming more popular. They want to know why Ipods are so popular...because people can choose their own songs, and not have to listen to the same pussycat doll song fifteen times in 6 hours.
Enjoy the new Prince cd for yourself. You don't need it to be a hit..just enjoy it yourself






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Well said. All of it true..


Let Universal do their thing . I want P to have a hit as much as the next guy but personally I think they are promtoing the hell out of it . SNL , worldwide listening parties, Purple Ticket contests
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Reply #151 posted 02/23/06 11:19am

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newpower99 said:

PurpleRein said:



This is not a Prince issue, Marcel. This is a clear channel..and other radio conglomerate issue. Paul McCartney can't get a song on the charts. Nor the Rolling Stones..nor many other talented MUSICIANS. Nor can Prince. If it isn't Ashley Simpson (puke) or Eminem, it's not going to play on the radio. It's a sad sad fact. Playlists are so damned tight now that talented people who actually sing, or play musical instruments can't be heard. Every other song sounds like the one before it. If it isnt some garage band, its avril lavigne, or Weezer...or Green day..over...and over...and over again. The old days of FM radio are gone, where dj's got to actually choose their own songs, and they could go deep into an album. Its just the sad state of affairs, and they want to know why XM and Sirius satellite radio is becoming more popular. They want to know why Ipods are so popular...because people can choose their own songs, and not have to listen to the same pussycat doll song fifteen times in 6 hours.
Enjoy the new Prince cd for yourself. You don't need it to be a hit..just enjoy it yourself






nod

Well said. All of it true..


Let Universal do their thing . I want P to have a hit as much as the next guy but personally I think they are promtoing the hell out of it . SNL , worldwide listening parties, Purple Ticket contests


Well, i've done my bit. i've just flooded there inbox with countless e-mails asking 4 better promotion for black sweat and 3121. Now i can relax and stop being a Prince geek... for this week anyway lol

Feel free to take over...

US - communications@umusic.com
UK - communications2@umusic.com

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Reply #152 posted 02/23/06 11:36am

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Well, when I go back and look at Prince's output over the past 15 years or so I just can't find any songs that were produced for the charts. They were either over produced or lacked the energy of his 80's and early 90's output. What I'm hearing in BS and Fury is a power in his voice and a conviction that hasn't been there since the mid-80's when I saw him light the world on fire, specifically concerts in Europe of Parade and Sign O The Times, when I lived in Germany. Just listen to his "Dearly Beloved" from Let's Go Crazy last week at the Brits. There's something there in his voice, he's determined to make a splash now and it is showing to me.

I can't say the charts are any different now than in the 80's. They played the same tired Wham and Culture Club over and over and over back then. Once in a while a James Brown or even the Beatles could top the charts, but today we have Santana and even Madonna doing it. It can be done, but the songs after to have POWER. America loves to ROCK! It doesn't have to be "rock music" per se, but give us something to jump around or jam to, not mid-tempo numbers like "Come On" or "Musicology".

Anyway, I think he's delivered, so far, with songs from 3121. Black Sweat will chart soon thanks to sales and Fury could follow up huge, if the studio version's anywhere close to the SNL live version.
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Reply #153 posted 02/23/06 11:40am

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MarcelJ said:

Well, when I go back and look at Prince's output over the past 15 years or so I just can't find any songs that were produced for the charts. They were either over produced or lacked the energy of his 80's and early 90's output. What I'm hearing in BS and Fury is a power in his voice and a conviction that hasn't been there since the mid-80's when I saw him light the world on fire, specifically concerts in Europe of Parade and Sign O The Times, when I lived in Germany. Just listen to his "Dearly Beloved" from Let's Go Crazy last week at the Brits. There's something there in his voice, he's determined to make a splash now and it is showing to me.

I can't say the charts are any different now than in the 80's. They played the same tired Wham and Culture Club over and over and over back then. Once in a while a James Brown or even the Beatles could top the charts, but today we have Santana and even Madonna doing it. It can be done, but the songs after to have POWER. America loves to ROCK! It doesn't have to be "rock music" per se, but give us something to jump around or jam to, not mid-tempo numbers like "Come On" or "Musicology".

Anyway, I think he's delivered, so far, with songs from 3121. Black Sweat will chart soon thanks to sales and Fury could follow up huge, if the studio version's anywhere close to the SNL live version.


thumbs up! i'll drink to that. thumbs up!
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Reply #154 posted 02/23/06 12:32pm

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GoldenGlove said:

MarcelJ said:

Well, when I go back and look at Prince's output over the past 15 years or so I just can't find any songs that were produced for the charts. They were either over produced or lacked the energy of his 80's and early 90's output. What I'm hearing in BS and Fury is a power in his voice and a conviction that hasn't been there since the mid-80's when I saw him light the world on fire, specifically concerts in Europe of Parade and Sign O The Times, when I lived in Germany. Just listen to his "Dearly Beloved" from Let's Go Crazy last week at the Brits. There's something there in his voice, he's determined to make a splash now and it is showing to me.

I can't say the charts are any different now than in the 80's. They played the same tired Wham and Culture Club over and over and over back then. Once in a while a James Brown or even the Beatles could top the charts, but today we have Santana and even Madonna doing it. It can be done, but the songs after to have POWER. America loves to ROCK! It doesn't have to be "rock music" per se, but give us something to jump around or jam to, not mid-tempo numbers like "Come On" or "Musicology".

Anyway, I think he's delivered, so far, with songs from 3121. Black Sweat will chart soon thanks to sales and Fury could follow up huge, if the studio version's anywhere close to the SNL live version.


thumbs up! i'll drink to that. thumbs up!


Me too!! wink
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Reply #155 posted 02/23/06 1:16pm

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Hot 100 Single Sales :
#3 - ???
#25 - ???

R&B / Hip Hop Top 100
#67 - Te Amo Corazon

R&B / Hip Hop Single Sales
#4 - ????
#49 - ????


wow - thanks for the info, i can only presume the ???s are SST and TAC. I'd presume at #4 is TAC, as its the newest release. someone posted info from billboard recently of the chart positions of all princes singles, or alot of them anyway. and SST was still at that time in the single sales charts.

its a shame really as prince still sells a fair amount of singles compared to other artists, yet how many sales did he lose because he released SST on his site for ages before a single came out (ok the single was universals idea after the release but still) and TAC is a one track single so noone is fussed - i do wonder how they would be doing otherwise.

you'd think having the 3rd best selling single on the charts would make it chart at least in the top200, if not the top100. american charts are too confusing it seems!

anyone clear this up?
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Reply #156 posted 02/23/06 1:46pm

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It is very dissapointing that radio isnt playing BS much. What a shame.

What makes people think that radio will play Fury? I agree it's the shit, I love it, but why will radio play that one?
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Reply #157 posted 02/23/06 2:20pm

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bkw said:

It is very dissapointing that radio isnt playing BS much. What a shame.

What makes people think that radio will play Fury? I agree it's the shit, I love it, but why will radio play that one?


You know, it's been so long since Prince charted pop/rock that I can't tell you for sure it will chart. For some reason, it's not a genre that's driven by youth as much as Urban is. Bands like Aerosmith and other older acts can put songs on the Hot 100 when it's tougher for older R&B acts. It's always been that way, for some reason. A DJ once told me, R&B always has to be the latest sound, but Rock&Roll never dies.
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Reply #158 posted 02/23/06 2:46pm

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I agree with Purple Knight that Prince doesn't show any signs of having a big hit in the near future. But if he continues working, I think chances are he will have one. Your reasoning is very sound, but I think your prediction is wrong (and not because I just love Prince & want him to have a hit.

Classic artists tend to reach a point where everyone suddenly realizes that they are great.

James Brown's Living in America was a great example. Clapton's Tears in Heaven is another example. Santana (though that was a collaboration). Bonnie Raitt. Tom Jones (!?). Johnny Cash. Elvis (A Little Less Conversation). Roy Orbison. John Lennon. Elvis Costello (Veronica)

The great ones tend to return at some point.

Also spin control could say that Call My Name was a Grammy winning hit song, so it's hard to know what a hit even is anymore.
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Reply #159 posted 02/23/06 3:52pm

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A US hit is anything that reaches the Billboard Top 40 chart. Call My Name was like #77 or something.
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Reply #160 posted 02/23/06 5:34pm

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MarcelJ said:

bkw said:

It is very dissapointing that radio isnt playing BS much. What a shame.

What makes people think that radio will play Fury? I agree it's the shit, I love it, but why will radio play that one?


You know, it's been so long since Prince charted pop/rock that I can't tell you for sure it will chart. For some reason, it's not a genre that's driven by youth as much as Urban is. Bands like Aerosmith and other older acts can put songs on the Hot 100 when it's tougher for older R&B acts. It's always been that way, for some reason. A DJ once told me, R&B always has to be the latest sound, but Rock&Roll never dies.


i don't like country music but i admire them because no matter how old an artist is they still give them plenty of airplay and respect and they are open to other artists such as Bon Jovi who now has a big country hit
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Reply #161 posted 02/23/06 5:38pm

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i just don't get radio stations wouldn't they want to play songs from an album that is popular no matter how old the artist is? if 150,000 people buy a rolling stones or even a barry manilow album doesnt that tell them that these artists are still vital? black sweat is #1 on the album chart and climbing the top 100 chart on Itunes dont they see things like this? nowonder people have stopped listening to radio
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Reply #162 posted 02/24/06 3:47am

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BBC Radio one willplay Black Sweat 2day.
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Reply #163 posted 02/24/06 5:20am

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another thing why hasnt black sweat gone for adds at HOT A/C? thats the format most likely to play Prince and the format 80's acts go when they have a new song..he's missing a lot of spins not being in that format yet
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Reply #164 posted 02/24/06 5:55am

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He just needs a remix...Get Nas or Jigga on that joint and let Pharrell re-work it...That's if he wants massive airplay...Othewise I dig Black Sweat as is...


I hope he doesn't want massive airplay that badly
cause I sure don't want a Prince w/Nas remix.
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Reply #165 posted 02/24/06 6:07am

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PurpleKnight said:

A US hit is anything that reaches the Billboard Top 40 chart. Call My Name was like #77 or something.

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Call My Name was in the top 20 on the RnB chart. Therefore, it was hit. That song received airplay for over a year.
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Reply #166 posted 02/24/06 6:09am

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bkw said:

It is very dissapointing that radio isnt playing BS much. What a shame.

What makes people think that radio will play Fury? I agree it's the shit, I love it, but why will radio play that one?

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I am begining to wonder if P is being blackballed by radio or if it is just his age. There is nothing wrong with this song.
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Reply #167 posted 02/24/06 7:02am

Mazerati

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bkw said:

It is very dissapointing that radio isnt playing BS much. What a shame.

What makes people think that radio will play Fury? I agree it's the shit, I love it, but why will radio play that one?

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I am begining to wonder if P is being blackballed by radio or if it is just his age. There is nothing wrong with this song.


you might be right he hasnt had decent airplay in years probably going back to 1994 when he was only 35...Madonna is his age and has no problem with airplay
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Reply #168 posted 02/24/06 7:23am

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Mazerati said:

laurarichardson said:


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I am begining to wonder if P is being blackballed by radio or if it is just his age. There is nothing wrong with this song.


you might be right he hasnt had decent airplay in years probably going back to 1994 when he was only 35...Madonna is his age and has no problem with airplay

And THAT is what pisses me off the most. Now I'm a Madonna fan and I dig that she still gets airplay but if that bitch can get her songs over the airwaves why the fuck can't Prince? They are the same age, they both have songs on MTV and VH1 but yet why is it such a fucken burden to hear this new song from him and not her? Can't whoever runs things get over the stuff from 10 years ago?It's pure bullshit man and that shit needs to stop NOW.
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Reply #169 posted 02/24/06 7:25am

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Here's a way to stop this madness with the radio and Prince. Here is the web address for Clear Channel:

betterradio@clearchannel.com

It's time to fight these fuckers. E-mail the fuck out of them RIGHT NOW!
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Reply #170 posted 02/24/06 7:32am

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It says here that BS is released arch 13th??

http://www.bbc.co.uk/totp...soon.shtml

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Reply #171 posted 02/24/06 7:35am

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purplecam said:

Here's a way to stop this madness with the radio and Prince. Here is the web address for Clear Channel:

betterradio@clearchannel.com

It's time to fight these fuckers. E-mail the fuck out of them RIGHT NOW!

Done thumbs up!
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Reply #172 posted 02/24/06 7:56am

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laurarichardson said:

PurpleKnight said:

A US hit is anything that reaches the Billboard Top 40 chart. Call My Name was like #77 or something.

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Call My Name was in the top 20 on the RnB chart. Therefore, it was hit. That song received airplay for over a year.


Yeah, but I'm not interested in separate charts in this discussion. Only in the Billboard Top 40 US Singles one. CMN peaked in the 70's on that one.
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Reply #173 posted 02/24/06 9:00am

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PurpleKnight said:

laurarichardson said:


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Call My Name was in the top 20 on the RnB chart. Therefore, it was hit. That song received airplay for over a year.


Yeah, but I'm not interested in separate charts in this discussion. Only in the Billboard Top 40 US Singles one. CMN peaked in the 70's on that one.

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If it charted on any of the Billboard Charts it is considered a hit. RnB charts matter just as much as the Top 40.
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Reply #174 posted 02/24/06 9:33am

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laurarichardson said:

PurpleKnight said:



Yeah, but I'm not interested in separate charts in this discussion. Only in the Billboard Top 40 US Singles one. CMN peaked in the 70's on that one.

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If it charted on any of the Billboard Charts it is considered a hit. RnB charts matter just as much as the Top 40.


No they don't. WHen people ask "Where did so and so peak in the charts?" they mean the propper charts. i.e "Top 40 singles chart"
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Reply #175 posted 02/24/06 9:36am

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So am I understanding this right??...Black Sweat is the 8th most played video on MTV right now?...It is listed as having 20 spins over the past 7 days, and the #1 video only has 23 spins?

And it's barely getting played on BET??...
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Reply #176 posted 02/24/06 9:39am

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Byron said:

So am I understanding this right??...Black Sweat is the 8th most played video on MTV right now?...It is listed as having 20 spins over the past 7 days, and the #1 video only has 23 spins?

And it's barely getting played on BET??...


S the airplay is pretty good, however, If it doesn't get relleased on "CD" it'll never chart! lol
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Reply #177 posted 02/24/06 10:10am

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Byron said:

So am I understanding this right??...Black Sweat is the 8th most played video on MTV right now?...It is listed as having 20 spins over the past 7 days, and the #1 video only has 23 spins?

And it's barely getting played on BET??...

Isn't that just disgusting? The same motherfucking station that introduced the man can barley get any airplay on it? BET needs to be destroyed and as a black man it angers me to even think like this.
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Reply #178 posted 02/24/06 10:37am

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Black Sweat is moving up a bit on the Hit charts, but stalled at Urban. Call those local stations and request the song and maybe it can crack the top 100 next week, combine that with some strong sales and iTunes numbers and it could go top 40 yet.

Mainstream Hit Radio

TW #121 LW #132

Mainstream Urban

TW #88 LW #86

CHR/POP

TW #149 LW #164
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Reply #179 posted 02/24/06 10:43am

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