i mean not CAN he say that, but he won't say "masterbatin with a magazine" or "work that body like a whore" for example..

so how can he say "I'll stand under u and let u show me how u want ur man 2 b" and this "Can I sing 2 u while u bring urself 2 joy? I'll go slow at first, while u quench ur thirst Wet circles round the toy While u bring urself 2 joy" in mellow?

wtf? thats just the same as nikkie masterbatin in the lobby of that hotel!

I agree! Yet another reason why i don't think he's 'CHANGED' completely so to speak!! Prince seems 2 make his own rules.

Moonwalkbjrain said:

Prince performed "Darling Nikki" a lot during the 2001 Hit N Run Tour -- the same year The Rainbow Children was completed. Both songs were okay with him then. Last year he performed "Shhh" during the Musicology tour. And have you checked out some of the lyrics to "If Eye Was The Man In Ur Life"? He ain't changed much -- just toned it down to a degree.

Snap said:

ohhh well i guess that explains it..but still..hearing that makes all the religious blahblahblah on the rest of the tracks seem soo...psuedo, considering his stance on that kinda talk now. what about if i was...? its a very squeaky clean song, nothing the least big suggestive. and yea i agree he has just toned down considering he did play shh, but because of his stance on certain talk it like i said makes how he's acting now soo fake

Moonwalkbjrain said:

i think the only stance he has really made is against those so-called 4-letter words. check out these lyrics from "If Eye Was The Man In Ur Life" -- you said, "its a very squeaky clean song, nothing the least big suggestive." ...really?? not only does it have some sexual euphemisms, it's actually quite bitter and sarcastic.

Eye heard a rumor that Ur man he said he'd do U wrong
and Ur so vain Ud think that Ur the 1 behind his song
Sure U know he got plenty lyrics, yeah, up his sleeve
and after he got what he want he just go up and leave
and sunday chocolate on the roof right after his game
he like the Lakers but the Sixers on when he came
If he's with another now U best believe the party's crackin
Ur getting played girl, U better get your mack on
and do un2 others as they do un2 U
U call me on the day that U and him r just 2 through

was it U that Eye saw outside the liquor store
waiting on that fool 2 purchase what Ud been dying 4?
and b4 Eye c U drop a spill Eye have 2 bring U down
now U got that chocolate barracuda hangin' round
hangin' round your neck like a cheap gold chain
he don't deserve 2 say that he ever knew Ur name
much less he get 2 smell the perfume Eye gave U
please don't tell me that U all got down
better do un2 others as they do un2 U
U call me on the day that U and him r just 2 through
[Edited 7/2/05 1:19am]

Snap said:

he sure did! I can still rember geneva in that little schoolgirl outfit. wow!

byronic said:

Interesting.

Just goes to show how very inconsistent he is with this supposed conversion of his. I think it's laughable, really. Honestly, I don't think it'll last. I'm not calling for lyrical servings of pure raunch (is that a word?), but for less of the "holier than thou though i taught you how to do it" attitude he seems to have for some of today's performers.

Larry Graham dunnit

halfway thru the Hit n Run tour, or was it at St Paul Excel Centre during the Celebration? He stopped Nikki cold in its tracks! and said this song will not be performed etc etc.
So it was right when we all heard TRC for the first time, making a point I suppose.

Then he'd do Joy in Repetion and say "4 letter words will not be heard up on thsi stage 2nite"

So it was a pretty bold line, before TRC and after TRC

Snap said:

during the NPS tour he was swearing alot, wasnt he?
and he was hoein it around with Marva whole Mayte was away in "Spain". it was pre-Mani andhe looked rough. There was a cover of Uptown Magazine where he looked drunk beyond belief...could just be a viscious shot by the editos making him look bad, but he had on violet and yellow eyeshadow and a black outfit, but a big closeup of his heavy eyelids

I think Larry planted the seed, but it took upto TRC to fruition.

4nowneway said:

Not only did he play Shhh on the Musicology tour last year but also U Got the Look and Let's Work as well.I don't think Prince is saying that sex within marriage is a bad thing but songs like Darling Nikki,Gett Off,Let's Pretend Were Married or Head, that promote the carnal,are.

Octavius said:

I don't think his conversion will last either. I've got nothing against P. being a Witness -if he thinks it makes him happy and'll get him to the Big House in the end, who am I to argue? But he's so inconsistent and fickle -he'll fall off the JW wagon as soon as something new catches his attention.

byronic said:

I've got a MPEG of one of these performances.
He's humping the floor and all

Snap said:[quote]

Moonwalkbjrain said:

i think the only stance he has really made is against those so-called 4-letter words. check out these lyrics from "If Eye Was The Man In Ur Life" -- you said, "its a very squeaky clean song, nothing the least big suggestive." ...really?? not only does it have some sexual euphemisms, it's actually quite bitter and sarcastic.

[i]Eye heard a rumor that Ur man he said he'd do U wrong
and Ur so vain Ud think that Ur the 1 behind his song
Sure U know he got plenty lyrics, yeah, up his sleeve
and after he got what he want he just go up and leave
and sunday chocolate on the roof right after his game
he like the Lakers but the Sixers on when he came
If he's with another now U best believe the party's crackin
Ur getting played girl, U better get your mack on
and do un2 others as they do un2 U
U call me on the day that U and him r just 2 through[/quote

yea its bitter and sarcastic and ok i see what u mean by the two sexual references..but this is hella tame compared to mellow which is just as bad as something like darling niki or erotic city. prince needs 2 come off it. needs to get off his high horse...aint no shame in loving sex

meow85 said:

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Exactly, I think he has been falling off the wagon with religion for a long time. It will only be a matter of time.

laurarichardson said:

He will be back to his heathen ways sooner than we know it.

Moonwalkbjrain said: prince needs 2 come off it. needs to get off his high horse...aint no shame in loving sex[/quote]




Exactly.
[Edited 7/5/05 1:07am]

MsLegs said:

And we'll all be waiting, party favours and plenty o' lube on hand!

I find that a lot of you guys have very stereotypical ideas of who JWs are and all the "shoulds" and "should-nots" involved.

Get over those first, then you may begin to understand Prince on an individual basis.

Heiress said:

Maybe if his conversion hadn't coincided with him turning into an (even moreso) hypocritical loudmouth this discussion wouldn't be happening.

meow85 said:

You have a point. Prince has always been fickle. It's interesting to watch his new faith twist around what he wants to happen.

KelleyG said:

Is this in reference to the comments about Wendy and Lisa? I wouldn't go so far to call him a "hypocrite" about that, since you and I both know he's changed his mind since, and apologized to the hurt parties.

EXACTLY! , see my prob aint with the fact that he's a JW. honestly i could care less. he coulda become a muslim a catholic a baptist etc...i wouldn'tve cared, as long as the music was rock and the lyrics tight i'm cool. but because of him finding the truth and organized religion and all that its turned him into a fuckin dirty preacher! this mf talkin bout i pushed to envelope nowhere to push now lets move foward shit. he talkin he don't need cusses to express himself, he don't need to be dirty nomore, he takin it outta his music..all that shit! its shit! how the fuck u gone make a song like mellow and on a record where u preachin ur shit and what u believe?? and on top of that come of a yr or whatever later talk all this shit he talkin now? i love prince. hot dude. but he needs to COME OFF IT. ITS NOT THAT SERIOUS. i used to take his conversion crazy serious, thought aight dude got what he want. he chill, i'm happy and now its like..maaaaan get off it! remind me of boogey (i dunno how u spell it) blk folk gettin a lil somethin and then actin like they better then the hood folk..aint no better, and to some folk u still a nigga! and to me prince is still PRINCE..no better or worse then b4. just got a new agenda





lube edit
[Edited 7/5/05 11:41am]

Heiress said:

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It does not matter to these folks. A person could never change their mind or just say something mean out of anger.

I don't know why people would object to a more poetic expression of sexuality.

"Wet circles with the toy while you bring yourself to joy"
"Work your body like a whore"

Which is a better line?

Or Shakespeare:

"They are making the beast with two backs"
"They fuckin'"

which is a better line?

People act like he's ruining the records by not singing the same lines that are on them. I'd be more disappointed if nothing changed after 20 years. The originals are always there.

Like Miles said: "That's why we have records."

andyman91 said:

People do change their minds, say things out of anger and ignorance and even re-invent themselves... Especially artists! We all have done it. Just don't expect him to change for your sake cos regardless, his answer will always be Helll Naw!

When i was coming up, JW's were some of the freakiest boys around-- and probably still are...


And can somebody please explain the line... "sunday chocolate on the roof"?

meow85 said:

cinnamonjo said:

Sunday Chocolate on the roof. I am still processing that one sistagirl. But back to the freaky JW boys