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Printableneronava said: drgoldsmoke said: Must say i am dissapointed with the mentalities ofmost of the orgers that posted here.
If Prince was 2 use his gift, it could be very powerful and make changes. Nero, U strike me as ignorant, all gospel u heard is soulless?! Cha. what church u been going 2? pity u bruv. Definetly not ignorant on this topic. I grew up in a Penecostal household. I challenge anyway to question whether those people are passionate about there believe in Christ. I'm a musician now, thanks to the smoking band we had...but I'm also a athiest now. That's niether here nor there though. Fact is-more gospel music now is garbage, overproduced,and sappy. Again, check a Sam Cooke gospel song-There was heart there. The songs could make anyone cry or feel the lord. Don't feel pity because on a aesthetic level I think the music misses. Just my take dude. Nero | |
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You know I thought when Prince stated that he had "friends" not "fans", is it not creditable that this man is "a new creature", "A MAN will put away childess things", and become new, why one will not accept this, is he to stay the same, was he happy at that time in his life or is he happy now, what happended that he made about this "change" I know!
First do one know what"gospel" music is, do one even knows where music started from?" Do U! He will do the things that you acquire about Spirtual and Gospel, in time.... Will you accept this peace that he has with his Father, or do you want his soul to stay tormented, one states that they are "Prince Fans" go back and listen to his early music, his soul was always in between...lets say this, you cannot serve 2 Gods, you cannot be lukewarm, you have to choose hot or cold so which one did he choose? You should know....accept Brother Nelsons change and hear what he states, remove the foreskin from you heart/eyes.....SHHHHH!!!! TIME Eccles. 1:3 read and study... In time hear and watch the new sound from The Park.... | |
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neronava said: psykosoul said: You know Nero, maybe I do contest opinions that are different from mine. It's called debate. I like to engage in these frequently and I try to do so intelligently. But see you drop all of your so-called knowledge and you don't back up these opinions with anything substantial. See, even if you faked your way through an answer and googled some gospel names I would've been able to tell whether your opinion might be credible. What the hell could an athiest tell anyone about gospel music? It's like a vegetarian giving advice at a chili-cook off . But once again, you are giving a critique of a genre that is not your forte'. Because your family owned a Sam Cooke and the Soul Stirrers album and it moved you, that doesn't make you an authority on Gospel music. Had you cited examples and the differences between current gospel music and gospel that you enjoyed I might've been able to take you seriously. But you just spouted off being a member of a Pentacostal church and some general shit about Sam Cooke which doesn't mean or prove jack shit. Spank my ass? Sorry man. You haven't proven any point. Like a dull knife just ain't cutting.... you just talking loud... finish the rest since your such an expert on music 
Do you wanna try again? Can you acknowledge anyone else besides Sam Cooke? [This message was edited Fri Aug 6 0:47:25 2004 by psykosoul] Talking loud and saying nothing, again Psyko. I love that everytime I don't care for a majority of artists that happen to belong to a genre-I apparently its not my forte'. We also have to remember music is art first and individuals respond to music on a aesthetic and perceptual level. So an athiest can tell you alot about gospel music. You're analogy misses the mark. I actually own several Sam Cooke albums, as well as a few other artists...again I don't claim to be an "authority"-which apparently u believe you are (hahaha) Again its art-there is no authority. I stated my case: current gospel TO ME, IN MY OPINION-is overproduced, I hate the sound of it. The thousand people deep chorus style singing, the cheezy electric keyboards sounds, the lack of songwriting ability. I check out Tonex's album for the Sheila E. guest appearance-and thought the band was tight & moderately funky at times...but boring. Again, I have a problem with the way you're asking the question..."CAN" of course I "CAN". It would be a far more interesting question if you're wondering who else acknowledge-not who else "CAN" I acknowledge. I'm gonna lean over to CD's and let u know who else I got in the "gospel" genre or what other gospel stuff I like: Shirley Caesar Clara Ward Staple Singers Mahalia Jackson Uncle Dave Macon (although more counrty/bluegrass/folky) Tramaine Hawkins (the older stuff) I like the way female singers are recorded & sound on on older gospel records. The micing was unique and when they it strong notes sometimes It distorts-sounds cool. So i lean towards the female singers. The Macon stuff is when I was trying to learn the banjo(!). And Psyko...since you are the expert on what other people "Fortes" & strong suits are-tell me what is mine. I know I'm leaving myself open for one of your pot shots. But seriously-what do u know about me. get a little culture man, read a book from someone outside your safe little world. nero Vegetarians don't eat meat. It would be silly for them to be in a public forum discussing and analyzing chili. Athiests don't believe in God. Therefore it's just as silly for them to be in a public forum discussing gospel music. The analogy makes perfect sense. If you truly felt what Sam, The Staples, and Mahalia were singing about, I don't believe you'd be an athiest. If you don't like gospel music, that's fine. But when you make a grandiose statements that current gospel music is "garbage" and "soulless shit", you leave yourself open for attack. It also makes you appear to be some sort of expert on the subject matter. Your references still haven't shown any evidence of how Sam, Tremaine, and Shirley (the latter two have also used "thousand people deep chorus-style singing") were able to convey and emote soul better than anyone else like Ty Tribbett, Daryl Coley or Fred Hammond. You started talking about techinical recording and how a little distortion in the mic sometimes makes it more pleasing to the ear. That's about as substantial as letting you know I've got toejam in between 3 of my toes. Personally, I don't care what your preferences are. Your very first response was some bait to start shit with me. But if you make general statements about which artists and genres are complete shit, please be prepared to explain yourself. Unless you can break your opinion down where you show me differences, pros and cons that might support your theory, I don't have anything else to discuss with you. Hope to see you in the Non-Prince:Music and More forum discussing this stuff. | |
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psykosoul said: neronava said: Talking loud and saying nothing, again Psyko. I love that everytime I don't care for a majority of artists that happen to belong to a genre-I apparently its not my forte'. We also have to remember music is art first and individuals respond to music on a aesthetic and perceptual level. So an athiest can tell you alot about gospel music. You're analogy misses the mark. I actually own several Sam Cooke albums, as well as a few other artists...again I don't claim to be an "authority"-which apparently u believe you are (hahaha) Again its art-there is no authority. I stated my case: current gospel TO ME, IN MY OPINION-is overproduced, I hate the sound of it. The thousand people deep chorus style singing, the cheezy electric keyboards sounds, the lack of songwriting ability. I check out Tonex's album for the Sheila E. guest appearance-and thought the band was tight & moderately funky at times...but boring. Again, I have a problem with the way you're asking the question..."CAN" of course I "CAN". It would be a far more interesting question if you're wondering who else acknowledge-not who else "CAN" I acknowledge. I'm gonna lean over to CD's and let u know who else I got in the "gospel" genre or what other gospel stuff I like: Shirley Caesar Clara Ward Staple Singers Mahalia Jackson Uncle Dave Macon (although more counrty/bluegrass/folky) Tramaine Hawkins (the older stuff) I like the way female singers are recorded & sound on on older gospel records. The micing was unique and when they it strong notes sometimes It distorts-sounds cool. So i lean towards the female singers. The Macon stuff is when I was trying to learn the banjo(!). And Psyko...since you are the expert on what other people "Fortes" & strong suits are-tell me what is mine. I know I'm leaving myself open for one of your pot shots. But seriously-what do u know about me. get a little culture man, read a book from someone outside your safe little world. nero Vegetarians don't eat meat. It would be silly for them to be in a public forum discussing and analyzing chili. Athiests don't believe in God. Therefore it's just as silly for them to be in a public forum discussing gospel music. The analogy makes perfect sense. If you truly felt what Sam, The Staples, and Mahalia were singing about, I don't believe you'd be an athiest. If you don't like gospel music, that's fine. But when you make a grandiose statements that current gospel music is "garbage" and "soulless shit", you leave yourself open for attack. It also makes you appear to be some sort of expert on the subject matter. Your references still haven't shown any evidence of how Sam, Tremaine, and Shirley (the latter two have also used "thousand people deep chorus-style singing") were able to convey and emote soul better than anyone else like Ty Tribbett, Daryl Coley or Fred Hammond. You started talking about techinical recording and how a little distortion in the mic sometimes makes it more pleasing to the ear. That's about as substantial as letting you know I've got toejam in between 3 of my toes. Personally, I don't care what your preferences are. Your very first response was some bait to start shit with me. But if you make general statements about which artists and genres are complete shit, please be prepared to explain yourself. Unless you can break your opinion down where you show me differences, pros and cons that might support your theory, I don't have anything else to discuss with you. Hope to see you in the Non-Prince:Music and More forum discussing this stuff. So which arguement are u gonna go with: A) I'm a athiest therefore I can't speak on gospel music... (oh because the music is so good that'd alter my whole individual existence and belief system, so I guess you can tell me how good music is-and its effect on me. Douchebag...come on now. And I guess a capitalist can't comment on the functionality of socialism, the pope can't sit down and rap with the Dali Lama. A difference of opinion is what life/culture/art is all about-there wouldn't be anything new or different with out someone breaking away and speaking on something they don't follow, or believe. Come on dude-use your head.) or 2)If I don't break don't my tastes into some mathematic, pro-con scale- then my arguement is not valid or informed (although it was informed with several examples even down to technical idiosyncracies I appreciate about the music. I never claimed to be more informed then anyone else-I'm speaking for me. Nor do I think there is any expert when it comes to a critique. Personal tastes...but your the expert I guess.) or-the recent & my personal favorite 3)I'm saying things to "bait" you. (hahaha...think about it) The problem is you claim to be having a debate. But it becomes "how many artists CAN you name..." or "if u felt the music you'd believe in god..." tsk, tsk. Dude you're a ass. Take some of that jejune energy, and insipid arguements and handle why you're such a nut when it comes to people with a different opinion then you. What are u protecting? Relax bro. I think you were done "discussing" things before you even typed. I'm sure I'm not the only person you exchanges like this with. Nero | |
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neronava said: psykosoul said: Vegetarians don't eat meat. It would be silly for them to be in a public forum discussing and analyzing chili. Athiests don't believe in God. Therefore it's just as silly for them to be in a public forum discussing gospel music. The analogy makes perfect sense. If you truly felt what Sam, The Staples, and Mahalia were singing about, I don't believe you'd be an athiest. If you don't like gospel music, that's fine. But when you make a grandiose statements that current gospel music is "garbage" and "soulless shit", you leave yourself open for attack. It also makes you appear to be some sort of expert on the subject matter. Your references still haven't shown any evidence of how Sam, Tremaine, and Shirley (the latter two have also used "thousand people deep chorus-style singing") were able to convey and emote soul better than anyone else like Ty Tribbett, Daryl Coley or Fred Hammond. You started talking about techinical recording and how a little distortion in the mic sometimes makes it more pleasing to the ear. That's about as substantial as letting you know I've got toejam in between 3 of my toes. Personally, I don't care what your preferences are. Your very first response was some bait to start shit with me. But if you make general statements about which artists and genres are complete shit, please be prepared to explain yourself. Unless you can break your opinion down where you show me differences, pros and cons that might support your theory, I don't have anything else to discuss with you. Hope to see you in the Non-Prince:Music and More forum discussing this stuff. So which arguement are u gonna go with: A) I'm a athiest therefore I can't speak on gospel music... (oh because the music is so good that'd alter my whole individual existence and belief system, so I guess you can tell me how good music is-and its effect on me. Douchebag...come on now. And I guess a capitalist can't comment on the functionality of socialism, the pope can't sit down and rap with the Dali Lama. A difference of opinion is what life/culture/art is all about-there wouldn't be anything new or different with out someone breaking away and speaking on something they don't follow, or believe. Come on dude-use your head.) or 2)If I don't break don't my tastes into some mathematic, pro-con scale- then my arguement is not valid or informed (although it was informed with several examples even down to technical idiosyncracies I appreciate about the music. I never claimed to be more informed then anyone else-I'm speaking for me. Nor do I think there is any expert when it comes to a critique. Personal tastes...but your the expert I guess.) or-the recent & my personal favorite 3)I'm saying things to "bait" you. (hahaha...think about it) The problem is you claim to be having a debate. But it becomes "how many artists CAN you name..." or "if u felt the music you'd believe in god..." tsk, tsk. Dude you're a ass. Take some of that jejune energy, and insipid arguements and handle why you're such a nut when it comes to people with a different opinion then you. What are u protecting? Relax bro. I think you were done "discussing" things before you even typed. I'm sure I'm not the only person you exchanges like this with. Nero What's funny to me is that you tell someone to go out and get a little culture and yet you make baiting posts full of generalizations like this one that show how ignorant you truly are. Talk about an oxy-moron. There's an underlying prejudice in most of your posts and and soon as you are about to get called on it, you play your "I love black people and all the things they do card" I'm not going to go back and forth trading insults with you. So, you can call me all of the "douchebags" and "asses" in the world. Hope you're not as sensitive when someone calls you and that little garage-band of your "soulless shit" | |
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drgoldsmoke said:[quote]i was jus thinking, if the boys gotta gift, and he loves God, then he should use his gift2glorify Go | |
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I don't know what happened to my post above, some computer error, bug happened or something... this is what I intended to say:
Prince has a gift indeed and he is using it very well. Since I don't beleive in God, NO I would not look forward to gospel/worship songs. I think its more important to teach the difference between right from wrong and show kids, or make them understand the importance of making moral decisions, of acting human and civilized. For some people, Religion might be the way to acheive that, but for others, Religion seems to be the source of violent acts and hate. I personaly don't enjoy someone preaching and trying to impose their religion on me. I wouldn't have a problem with Prince making those songs, but it wouldn't exactly appeal to me. | |
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I love Prince's music so much but I find it difficult to listen to if it becomes too preachy. Now I love Anna stesia and The Cross and other "religious" songs but if he made a straight gospel album, I just don't know if P fans are ready for that. I for one listen to secular music and I love it. There are times when I pull out my gospel CDs too though. I guess it just depends on time and space. Knowing the content of Prince's past lyrics such as gett off, PC, Erotic City, I struggle with the idea that he will be totally free from his own dirty mind. He is a Jemini and quite diverse in his music but gospel would be a hard pill to swallow. U want me to swivel in your love seat, don't
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I entirely disagree that atheists have no place discussing gospel. God knows a defecit of knowledge has never stopped anyone here from holding forth on any subject.
I am agnostic but I have been known to enjoy some good gospel music. Aretha Franklin's Amazing Grace is one of the best albums ever, period. Songs that are personal and deeply felt to the performer can be moving and uplifting to me regardless of whether I share the same beliefs. Knowing much about Prince's past history, it's a little hard to swallow a sermonette from him. I don't hold him to a higher moral standard than anyone else, and just because he did shady things in the past doesn't mean he can't grow and change. But when I am looking for a role model of ethical behavior, Prince is not qualified. That said, I guess how much I'd like or dislike another Prince gospel album depends all on the execution. (Lovesexy = brilliant. TRC = forced and heavyhanded.) If he is communicating basic moral principles of Christianity (i.e. love your fellow man), it's hard to take issue with that. But if he gets mired up in a lot of highly specific dogma (Theocratic order? The fuck?) and promoting his personal beliefs as The Truth, it's harder to appreciate for someone like me who does not share that belief system. [This message was edited Sat Aug 7 11:39:49 2004 by freakebear] You better wake up, Stella. This is my town! | |
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freakebear said: I entirely disagree that atheists have no place discussing gospel. God knows a defecit of knowledge has never stopped anyone here from holding forth on any subject.
I should probably edit that statement I made. It was solely meant for anyone who thinks of current gospel as "soulless" shit. I am agnostic but I have been known to enjoy some good gospel music. Aretha Franklin's Amazing Grace is one of the best albums ever, period.
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Awwww! I was holdin' out for his bluegrass album....!!!
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psykosoul said: neronava said: So which arguement are u gonna go with: A) I'm a athiest therefore I can't speak on gospel music... (oh because the music is so good that'd alter my whole individual existence and belief system, so I guess you can tell me how good music is-and its effect on me. Douchebag...come on now. And I guess a capitalist can't comment on the functionality of socialism, the pope can't sit down and rap with the Dali Lama. A difference of opinion is what life/culture/art is all about-there wouldn't be anything new or different with out someone breaking away and speaking on something they don't follow, or believe. Come on dude-use your head.) or 2)If I don't break don't my tastes into some mathematic, pro-con scale- then my arguement is not valid or informed (although it was informed with several examples even down to technical idiosyncracies I appreciate about the music. I never claimed to be more informed then anyone else-I'm speaking for me. Nor do I think there is any expert when it comes to a critique. Personal tastes...but your the expert I guess.) or-the recent & my personal favorite 3)I'm saying things to "bait" you. (hahaha...think about it) The problem is you claim to be having a debate. But it becomes "how many artists CAN you name..." or "if u felt the music you'd believe in god..." tsk, tsk. Dude you're a ass. Take some of that jejune energy, and insipid arguements and handle why you're such a nut when it comes to people with a different opinion then you. What are u protecting? Relax bro. I think you were done "discussing" things before you even typed. I'm sure I'm not the only person you exchanges like this with. Nero What's funny to me is that you tell someone to go out and get a little culture and yet you make baiting posts full of generalizations like this one that show how ignorant you truly are. Talk about an oxy-moron. There's an underlying prejudice in most of your posts and and soon as you are about to get called on it, you play your "I love black people and all the things they do card" I'm not going to go back and forth trading insults with you. So, you can call me all of the "douchebags" and "asses" in the world. Hope you're not as sensitive when someone calls you and that little garage-band of your "soulless shit" Underlying prejudice? I'd love for you to elaborate on that one...on what grounds could you make that statement. Pretty insulting dude, pretty bad. "I love black people card..." Wow, It looks like we've figured why you're so tripped out dude. You're so off base....how you could deduce any sort of racism in posts blow me away. And as far as the band diss goes..."little garage band". Thats funny....I eat and live off my "little garage band" I bet the same can't said from your stuff...(which I won't even comment on). You've got to be kidding me.... Nero | |
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Though I am not a very religious person in terms of following an organized, particular religion/denomination, I do love and appreciate gospel music and I personally think Prince has the talent and ability to make a gorgeous gospel album if he wanted.
My problem is that, for some reason I haven't yet figured out for myself, Prince being preachy rubs me the wrong way. It's not that I feel his past negates any religious message he now feels compelled to spread or share, because I understand that people evolve and change. NOr is it that he is a Jehovah's Witness, though I do admit I have issues with a few aspects of that religion. It's just that Prince "sharing" the gospel or God's word or his religious views seem, to me, to come off more like he's only concerned with the act of converting or proving how 'right' his way is vs. others' beliefs, instead of merely wanting to share a great religious joyfulness or love of God, or just plain *spreading God's love* thru music. Prince's 'message' seems pushy, self-righteous and arrogant to me a good lot of the time, and I can't get past that. Maybe it's just me, I don't know. Im not saying Prince IS that way, just that that's how I feel. Guess I"ll just have to figure out why that is.. So - I wouldn't mind if he did ever make a gospel album because Im sure musically it would be beautiful. I just don't know how much I'd appreciate the accompanying message - or rather, the WAY the message is communicated. | |
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I think it SHOULD be whatever he FEELS like releasing...   I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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i agree, Prince's work have often had elements of spirituality in them, but he has been sending out mixed messages thus although creating a Godly awareness, may also have caused confusion, and confusion aint Gods work as far as I am concerned.
I think he is gaining more confidence in his beleif and I personally would love 2 hear a gospel album. Remeber the joys of "Uh huh"? thats what i wanna hear. | |
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drgoldsmoke said: i was jus thinking, if the boys gotta gift, and he loves God, then he should use his gift2glorify God. Personally, I wanna hear what he's passionate about. I know he's touched on this stuff, but I wanna hear a joyous, full blown, non cryptic peice of work.
Who's down? Peace and love. [This message was edited Wed Aug 4 16:33:22 2004 by drgoldsmoke] Im a Brazilian man and from Rio de Janeiro.Ive been listenig Prince since i was 13....I loved the first album i heard(Purple Rain) but just understod many years before. Since than he never disapoited me with his music,and I dont see any chance that hes`gona do it with a gospel album.If you love Prince or just dig his music because it had sex and passion on it you dont know him at all....(remember the cross...) He is the one whith a guitar, a gentlaman with the piano and a funky man with the bass. Im 32 knaw,and im a musician to...never heard any guitar player sound like him,so i wonder; Can you imagine Princes aprouch to his guitar with a heart conected to god? and even if you dont belive in any god can you imagine him playing happy? I can and i dont care if is a gospel album(by the way im jewish). Let the master play wathewer he wants he gaved so much all this time. Peace and love; Mdd,from Rio | |
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drgoldsmoke said: i was jus thinking, if the boys gotta gift, and he loves God, then he should use his gift2glorify God. Personally, I wanna hear what he's passionate about. I know he's touched on this stuff, but I wanna hear a joyous, full blown, non cryptic peice of work.
Who's down? Peace and love. [This message was edited Wed Aug 4 16:33:22 2004 by drgoldsmoke] I would love it! I'm in love with God! But I think he never will make a gospel album, though  | |
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Gospel-style songs would be cool if not very cool...
But "worship" songs?? What are those? Songs in which he worships sex? Or women? Or what? Or are you opting for more of that boring "The Rainbow Children" crap? Or are you opting for him to do music like you hear in those horrific "white churches" (for lack of a better word) where they do all that freaky "The Omen" singing? Neversin. O(+>NIИ<+)O
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I wouldn't buy a single one. Gospel. Yick! "The poets are demanding their pay..."
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Prince has always been very spiritual in one way or another and it shows through in mostly all of hi work, even some of the more hardcore stuff he used to and is famous for putting out. He is very talented, that nobody can ever take away from him or deny. He is a wonderfull man, musician, and performer, any word on a European tour as of yet? Please somebody let me know something! | |
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Lovesexy2 said: I love Prince's music so much but I find it difficult to listen to if it becomes too preachy. Now I love Anna stesia and The Cross and other "religious" songs but if he made a straight gospel album, I just don't know if P fans are ready for that. I for one listen to secular music and I love it. There are times when I pull out my gospel CDs too though. I guess it just depends on time and space. Knowing the content of Prince's past lyrics such as gett off, PC, Erotic City, I struggle with the idea that he will be totally free from his own dirty mind. He is a Jemini and quite diverse in his music but gospel would be a hard pill to swallow.
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I don't mind a little gospel music once in a blue moon, but I would not want an entire Prince album of it. He often sings of God and spirituality so it wouldn't be anything new, but I don't think I would enjoy an entire album of it (unless the guitar work was rippin  ) | |
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Israel Houghton. Hands down. "Pedro offers you his protection." | |
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Neversin said: Gospel-style songs would be cool if not very cool...
taken primarily from: http://www.truthinhistory...orship.htm
But "worship" songs?? What are those? Songs in which he worships sex? Or women? Or what? Or are you opting for more of that boring "The Rainbow Children" crap? Or are you opting for him to do music like you hear in those horrific "white churches" (for lack of a better word) where they do all that freaky "The Omen" singing? Neversin. True worship is to engage oneself in the act of reverence and devotion to acknowledge the honor, dignity, greatness of character, and the high rank of Deity. It also involves a genuine expression of intense love and deep admiration for the Person of God Who is being worshiped. According to Strong’s Concordance (#7812) the word worship in the original Hebrew meant to "prostrate oneself in homage to royalty, bow down, crouch, fall down, humbly beseech, do obeisance, and to do reverence". In Genesis 22:5, the record says that Abraham told his servants that he and Isaac were going up to the mountain to offer worship unto God. In spite of what God had previously commanded him in offering up Isaac for a burnt offering, Abraham still desired to worship or offer reverence and devotion in acknowledgment of the honor, dignity, greatness of character, and of the high rank of the Deity of God, while in obedience to this grave command. In the New Testament, the word worship, according to Strong’s Concordance (#4352), means "to kiss, like a dog licking his master’s hand", also (#4314) meaning "forward to or toward, the destination of the relation, motion toward, accession to, and nearness at". Both the Old and New Testament definitions require getting oneself involved in approaching into the divine presence of God and offering homage to His royal Person. In Matthew 2:2 we see a clear example of true worship when the Wise Men inquired of the whereabouts of ". . . He that is born King of the Judeans. . .". These wise men of the East had no intentions of offering unto the child Jesus some shallow form of praise or flattery for some mighty deed that He had done. Matthew says that they came ". . . to worship Him" (to bow down before Him, to move forward into His presence, to reach the destination of their relationship with Him, and to have access into the sphere of His royal Person). They knew they were seeking a King, and therefore they were prepared to prostrate themselves in holy reverence and homage to the Royal Majesty of the heavens. They did not come to recognize something Christ had done but simply to acknowledge the Deity of His Person. From this and other Bible examples we see that the holy act of true worship is only done in the presence of the person that is being worshiped. Matthew 2:11 says that ". . . they saw the young child. . . and fell down, and worshiped Him:. . . and they presented unto Him gifts: gold, and frankincense, and myrrh". They presented unto Him gold in recognition of His royal birth; frankincense in recognition of His sinless life as a Son; and myrrh in recognition of His worthiness in fulfilling the requirements of Divine law in being the Supreme sacrifice for sin. Here in this holy act of true worship, we have an example of the total sacred acknowledgment of the three-fold manifestation of the person of Christ in His early ministry as Prophet unto His people Israel; as a faithful high Priest in the administration of the supreme sacrifice of atonement for the redemption of His brethren; and as King who hath conquered all His enemies and who now rightfully takes the throne of His father David and reigns over the House of Jacob forever (Luke 1:32-33). From the experience of the wise men, it is very obvious to see that worship is not getting, but giving. The act of real heartfelt spiritual worship in recognition of the high rank and the majestic greatness of God is only done in His presence. It is impossible to worship outside of His presence. Therefore, the reason why we don’t worship God is because we are not in His presence. WORSHIP is something of the heart. It is a spiritual recognition of the greatness of God (John 4:24). PRAISE is the natural result of worship, it is the external manifestation of the worship. It is declaring the greatness and goodness of God. "Pedro offers you his protection." | |
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mochalox said: ...A bunch of obtuse and bullshit words...
So worship songs are bullshit songs in the vain of that boring "The Rainbow Children" crap... No thanx... I'd rather take something original and not obtuse instead of naive and blind worship/religious fanatics crap... I'd rather have songs by the old "spiritual" Prince who liked to be challenged, was openminded towards experiences in life and just didn't let anything restrict him instead of this closedminded religious fanatic who restricts himself (or rather lets himself be restricted by some cult) and frowns upon things alien to him or that obtuse dated bullshit book he reads... Neversin. O(+>NIИ<+)O
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U mean stuff like "Still would stand all time?" That would be ok. The vocals on that are fab. | |
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Neversin said: mochalox said: ...A bunch of obtuse and bullshit words...
So worship songs are bullshit songs in the vain of that boring "The Rainbow Children" crap... No thanx... I'd rather take something original and not obtuse instead of naive and blind worship/religious fanatics crap... I'd rather have songs by the old "spiritual" Prince who liked to be challenged, was openminded towards experiences in life and just didn't let anything restrict him instead of this closedminded religious fanatic who restricts himself (or rather lets himself be restricted by some cult) and frowns upon things alien to him or that obtuse dated bullshit book he reads... Neversin. Pot...kettle....black.  | |
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Dear God, NO! Yes, Dear God, no. LoveSexy was religious enough. If anything, PRINCE should do a blues/rock album next. He is too religious as it is. I don't need to hear anymore "holy" talk, let alone songs. Sheesh! [Edited 9/14/04 11:57am] The Dreaming Peasant
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OdysseyMiles said: Neversin said: So worship songs are bullshit songs in the vain of that boring "The Rainbow Children" crap... No thanx... I'd rather take something original and not obtuse instead of naive and blind worship/religious fanatics crap... I'd rather have songs by the old "spiritual" Prince who liked to be challenged, was openminded towards experiences in life and just didn't let anything restrict him instead of this closedminded religious fanatic who restricts himself (or rather lets himself be restricted by some cult) and frowns upon things alien to him or that obtuse dated bullshit book he reads... Neversin. Pot...kettle....black. Really now? The bible or all those religions (religious cults) aren't alien to me... I reject them for a reason... Neversin. O(+>NIИ<+)O
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