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drgoldsmoke said: Must say i am dissapointed with the mentalities ofmost of the orgers that posted here.
If Prince was 2 use his gift, it could be very powerful and make changes. Nero, U strike me as ignorant, all gospel u heard is soulless?! Cha. what church u been going 2? pity u bruv. Definetly not ignorant on this topic. I grew up in a Penecostal household. I challenge anyway to question whether those people are passionate about there believe in Christ. I'm a musician now, thanks to the smoking band we had...but I'm also a athiest now. That's niether here nor there though. Fact is-more gospel music now is garbage, overproduced,and sappy. Again, check a Sam Cooke gospel song-There was heart there. The songs could make anyone cry or feel the lord. Don't feel pity because on a aesthetic level I think the music misses. Just my take dude. Nero | |
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some of you guys are such hypocrites. YOu don't want prince to do a gospel album cuz you think it would be judgmental and preachy. and might offend you. C'mon, Prince has been offending people for years, and now that you might be the one that's offended, you want him to stop. YOu say you don't like gospel music because it's not all inclusive. Well, you guys are non inlcusive. If it's not sex, or explitive driven you don't want to hear it. That's not inclusive....Now I'm not a JW, nor have I ever been offended by anything Prince has done, I"m simply being objective and I realize that Prince writes his best music when he is being himself. If right now he's feeling is a gospel mood, then I'm sure the music he creates will be amazing.....
That being said, I think it's a shame that he goes back and bleeps curse words out of his old songs. That's a mockery, and I hope he doesn't never release old music because there is cursing in it. YOu can't change the path you've taken, and to deny your path is a deception. I pray that when stuff from the vault comes out it will be as it was when it was recorded. That is history, that is part of his journey, and to deny it would blemish a career that has always been based on honest expression above all else | |
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drclay said: some of you guys are such hypocrites. YOu don't want prince to do a gospel album cuz you think it would be judgmental and preachy. and might offend you. C'mon, Prince has been offending people for years, and now that you might be the one that's offended, you want him to stop.
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drgoldsmoke said: Must say i am dissapointed with the mentalities ofmost of the orgers that posted here.
If Prince was 2 use his gift, it could be very powerful and make changes. Nero, U strike me as ignorant, all gospel u heard is soulless?! Cha. what church u been going 2? pity u bruv. now, if only he'd use his power for good | |
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drclay said: some of you guys are such hypocrites. YOu don't want prince to do a gospel album cuz you think it would be judgmental and preachy. and might offend you. C'mon, Prince has been offending people for years, and now that you might be the one that's offended, you want him to stop. YOu say you don't like gospel music because it's not all inclusive. Well, you guys are non inlcusive. If it's not sex, or explitive driven you don't want to hear it. That's not inclusive....Now I'm not a JW, nor have I ever been offended by anything Prince has done, I"m simply being objective and I realize that Prince writes his best music when he is being himself. If right now he's feeling is a gospel mood, then I'm sure the music he creates will be amazing.....
That being said, I think it's a shame that he goes back and bleeps curse words out of his old songs. That's a mockery, and I hope he doesn't never release old music because there is cursing in it. YOu can't change the path you've taken, and to deny your path is a deception. I pray that when stuff from the vault comes out it will be as it was when it was recorded. That is history, that is part of his journey, and to deny it would blemish a career that has always been based on honest expression above all else  This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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neronava said: drgoldsmoke said: Must say i am dissapointed with the mentalities ofmost of the orgers that posted here.
If Prince was 2 use his gift, it could be very powerful and make changes. Nero, U strike me as ignorant, all gospel u heard is soulless?! Cha. what church u been going 2? pity u bruv. Definetly not ignorant on this topic. I grew up in a Penecostal household. I challenge anyway to question whether those people are passionate about there believe in Christ. I'm a musician now, thanks to the smoking band we had...but I'm also a athiest now. That's niether here nor there though. Fact is-more gospel music now is garbage, overproduced,and sappy. Again, check a Sam Cooke gospel song-There was heart there. The songs could make anyone cry or feel the lord. Don't feel pity because on a aesthetic level I think the music misses. Just my take dude. Nero Out of curiosity... ummm who else can you acknowledge besides Sam Cooke? | |
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psykosoul said: neronava said: Definetly not ignorant on this topic. I grew up in a Penecostal household. I challenge anyway to question whether those people are passionate about there believe in Christ. I'm a musician now, thanks to the smoking band we had...but I'm also a athiest now. That's niether here nor there though. Fact is-more gospel music now is garbage, overproduced,and sappy. Again, check a Sam Cooke gospel song-There was heart there. The songs could make anyone cry or feel the lord. Don't feel pity because on a aesthetic level I think the music misses. Just my take dude. Nero Out of curiosity... ummm who else can you acknowledge besides Sam Cooke? waits for answer... | |
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To Never Hear his NPG Songs or FACE Down would be a Crime or Sexy Mutherfucker.. Prince Writes Great songs whether Cursing or Not... Jam of The Year was a PHENOMENAL Tour. I Loved all That and Well I kinda Miss him doing RETURN Of The Bump Squad and Acknowledge Me. | |
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drgoldsmoke said: i was jus thinking, if the boys gotta gift, and he loves God, then he should use his gift2glorify God. Personally, I wanna hear what he's passionate about. I know he's touched on this stuff, but I wanna hear a joyous, full blown, non cryptic peice of work.
Who's down? Peace and love. [This message was edited Wed Aug 4 16:33:22 2004 by drgoldsmoke] ----- youngyosh on, " how to offend your fellow orgers". you yanks really dig this whole religious thang dont you! i just dont get it myself, and think a gospel album would be a really bad route for prince to go down, i like prince breaking the rules, more guitars and more dirty funk. give me Dirty Mind anyday, ahh those were the days! so what hes 46 now!  more bambi and more sexymuthafucka plzzzzz\o/\o/ ° The Breakdown = Best Prince song for 20 years | |
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psykosoul said: drclay said: some of you guys are such hypocrites. YOu don't want prince to do a gospel album cuz you think it would be judgmental and preachy. and might offend you. C'mon, Prince has been offending people for years, and now that you might be the one that's offended, you want him to stop.
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drclay said: some of you guys are such hypocrites. YOu don't want prince to do a gospel album cuz you think it would be judgmental and preachy. and might offend you. C'mon, Prince has been offending people for years, and now that you might be the one that's offended, you want him to stop. YOu say you don't like gospel music because it's not all inclusive. Well, you guys are non inlcusive. If it's not sex, or explitive driven you don't want to hear it. That's not inclusive....Now I'm not a JW, nor have I ever been offended by anything Prince has done, I"m simply being objective and I realize that Prince writes his best music when he is being himself. If right now he's feeling is a gospel mood, then I'm sure the music he creates will be amazing.....
I'm not worried about it being preachy. I just hate gospel music. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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Jesus F'N Christ I hope not!! GOD DAMN!! | |
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drclay said: some of you guys are such hypocrites. YOu don't want prince to do a gospel album cuz you think it would be judgmental and preachy. and might offend you. C'mon, Prince has been offending people for years, and now that you might be the one that's offended, you want him to stop. YOu say you don't like gospel music because it's not all inclusive. Well, you guys are non inlcusive. If it's not sex, or explitive driven you don't want to hear it. That's not inclusive....Now I'm not a JW, nor have I ever been offended by anything Prince has done, I"m simply being objective and I realize that Prince writes his best music when he is being himself. If right now he's feeling is a gospel mood, then I'm sure the music he creates will be amazing.....
That being said, I think it's a shame that he goes back and bleeps curse words out of his old songs. That's a mockery, and I hope he doesn't never release old music because there is cursing in it. YOu can't change the path you've taken, and to deny your path is a deception. I pray that when stuff from the vault comes out it will be as it was when it was recorded. That is history, that is part of his journey, and to deny it would blemish a career that has always been based on honest expression above all else o big ass CO - SIGN! u hit the nail on the head wit this one! Yesterday is dead...tomorrow hasnt arrived yet....i have just ONE day...
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drgoldsmoke said: i wanna hear gospel, or should i say, i need 2 hear gospel.
Well then u need to check out this cat named Tonex (toenay) He's been called the Prince Rogers Nelson of gospel. The Org is the short yellow bus of the Prince Internet fan community. | |
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youngyosh said: drgoldsmoke said: i was jus thinking, if the boys gotta gift, and he loves God, then he should use his gift2glorify God. Personally, I wanna hear what he's passionate about. I know he's touched on this stuff, but I wanna hear a joyous, full blown, non cryptic peice of work.
Who's down? Peace and love. [This message was edited Wed Aug 4 16:33:22 2004 by drgoldsmoke] ----- youngyosh on, " how to offend your fellow orgers". you yanks really dig this whole religious thang dont you! i just dont get it myself, and think a gospel album would be a really bad route for prince to go down, i like prince breaking the rules, more guitars and more dirty funk. give me Dirty Mind anyday, ahh those were the days! so what hes 46 now! more bambi and more sexymuthafucka plzzzzzThanks4 your reply, but I am not a "yank", I am English. | |
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I am of the opinion that God is real, the God in the Bible, and that God gives to us all, certain gifst, talents, and other things that we are to share with others. Prince, obviously, has been given many, many blessings, gifts, and talents....to share with the world. I believe he has always been spiritual, always looking for the 'Truth', whatever that may mean to an individual. It's my opinion, that if he EVER put out a true 'gospel' album, that it would not only come from his heart and his being, but that it would be because he found the 'Truth', what he's been searching for all along. I also believe (I may take some criticism for this), that Prince has the power to change a nation, even a whole generation, if he used what God has given him to TRULY glorify God. What I mean by 'TRULY', is that it would mean that he did a 180 degree turn from his past -- If y'all know anything about God, it's that God never sinned. Prince has written some amazing music, but you won't hear God singing along to DMSR, or Sexy MF, or Darling Nikki (I know that Prince has officially ex'd this one off his play list, but there are others...), he's definitely on the right track. My mother is and has been a devout Christian for most of her life, and she used to be against Prince.....saying he's a perv. Keep in mind, that certain people (like my mother), don't track his career like we do....and I've gotten her to understand that he's at a different place now than he used to be, and that he's not a 'perv', and even in his days that she's talking about, he was just trying to shake up the beehive. All I'm sayin' is, we're all gifted in certain ways, and Prince's gifts happen to be plentiful and extreme, and he could use those gifst to give a message to the world....and I agree with other posters here, songs such as 'The Ladder' and 'The Cross'....not too threatening, yet sending a specific and certain message, he could write a whole album of songs like that, only cross the barriers even more, and STILL have it be non threatening.....yet challenging at the same time. A gospel album??? I'm all for it!!! When the time is right, it will happen. And when it does.....prepare to be challenged. | |
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You Gotta be Kidding Right? He needs to stay in This Vein and not Retreat back. He has done Plenty of Religious tunes. I believe that if you think Prince is a Perv you shouldn't listen Ever! Prince is Contemporary and Very Progressive. I Like the fact he's More and More Political and Raising Social Conscious and talking bout Important Issues. Prince is NO PERV and He Goes with the New and what is Happening.. LOVESEXY ,Graffiti Bridge and Rainbow Children are All Very spiritual albums. Remember Nothing is wrong with SEX. If ya Think the Body is Sinful or Dirty ya Crazy. Prince is a Hot Man and he should Never feel Guilty bout his Past which was Wild and he Created Masterpieces so Ya dead wrong... Truly ya Looking for him to KILL his Career? He's doing Great..Leave him Alone with Crap...Peace and B wild! | |
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psykosoul said: neronava said: Definetly not ignorant on this topic. I grew up in a Penecostal household. I challenge anyway to question whether those people are passionate about there believe in Christ. I'm a musician now, thanks to the smoking band we had...but I'm also a athiest now. That's niether here nor there though. Fact is-more gospel music now is garbage, overproduced,and sappy. Again, check a Sam Cooke gospel song-There was heart there. The songs could make anyone cry or feel the lord. Don't feel pity because on a aesthetic level I think the music misses. Just my take dude. Nero Out of curiosity... ummm who else can you acknowledge besides Sam Cooke? Psykosoul...dude I usually try to tune out your posts-due to the fact you always try to make any opinion thats different then yours some sort of contest. And I always spank your ass at your own little games anyway. So leave it alone. I am very educated & knowledgible in the history of music (as well as contemporary stuff). So I could sit here rally off a list of names for you-but what would that prove? I used Sam Cooke because he is a personal favorite and I thought he personified a gospel artists who had crossover appeal/success as well as remained with his gospel roots (although he left the soul stirrers in the early 60's). So your snide litte comments like "who else CAN you acknowledge besides...." is just that: Snide & lame. "CAN"? come on dude. I could go to google and pull up a bunch of shit...come on dude, lets stay on topic. Its just snide and immature- Kind of like you kid. I don't want waste this thread with all this, but man...for the love of god can u keep it conversational for once. Come on dude... Nero | |
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neronava said: psykosoul said: Out of curiosity... ummm who else can you acknowledge besides Sam Cooke? Psykosoul...dude I usually try to tune out your posts-due to the fact you always try to make any opinion thats different then yours some sort of contest. And I always spank your ass at your own little games anyway. So leave it alone. I am very educated & knowledgible in the history of music (as well as contemporary stuff). So I could sit here rally off a list of names for you-but what would that prove? I used Sam Cooke because he is a personal favorite and I thought he personified a gospel artists who had crossover appeal/success as well as remained with his gospel roots (although he left the soul stirrers in the early 60's). So your snide litte comments like "who else CAN you acknowledge besides...." is just that: Snide & lame. "CAN"? come on dude. I could go to google and pull up a bunch of shit...come on dude, lets stay on topic. Its just snide and immature- Kind of like you kid. I don't want waste this thread with all this, but man...for the love of god can u keep it conversational for once. Come on dude... Nero You know Nero, maybe I do contest opinions that are different from mine. It's called debate. I like to engage in these frequently and I try to do so intelligently. But see you drop all of your so-called knowledge and you don't back up these opinions with anything substantial. See, even if you faked your way through an answer and googled some gospel names I would've been able to tell whether your opinion might be credible. What the hell could an athiest tell anyone about gospel music? It's like a vegetarian giving advice at a chili-cook off . But once again, you are giving a critique of a genre that is not your forte'. Because your family owned a Sam Cooke and the Soul Stirrers album and it moved you, that doesn't make you an authority on Gospel music. Had you cited examples and the differences between current gospel music and gospel that you enjoyed I might've been able to take you seriously. But you just spouted off being a member of a Pentacostal church and some general shit about Sam Cooke which doesn't mean or prove jack shit. Spank my ass? Sorry man. You haven't proven any point. Like a dull knife just ain't cutting.... you just talking loud... finish the rest since your such an expert on music 
Do you wanna try again? Can you acknowledge anyone else besides Sam Cooke? [This message was edited Fri Aug 6 0:47:25 2004 by psykosoul] | |
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drgoldsmoke said: Who thinks Prince's future albums should be gospel/worship songs?
If it's anything like Rainbow Children, bring it on. That shit ROCKED. | |
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"I also believe (I may take some criticism for this), that Prince has the power to change a nation, even a whole generation, if he used what God has given him to TRULY glorify God."
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psykosoul said: neronava said: Psykosoul...dude I usually try to tune out your posts-due to the fact you always try to make any opinion thats different then yours some sort of contest. And I always spank your ass at your own little games anyway. So leave it alone. I am very educated & knowledgible in the history of music (as well as contemporary stuff). So I could sit here rally off a list of names for you-but what would that prove? I used Sam Cooke because he is a personal favorite and I thought he personified a gospel artists who had crossover appeal/success as well as remained with his gospel roots (although he left the soul stirrers in the early 60's). So your snide litte comments like "who else CAN you acknowledge besides...." is just that: Snide & lame. "CAN"? come on dude. I could go to google and pull up a bunch of shit...come on dude, lets stay on topic. Its just snide and immature- Kind of like you kid. I don't want waste this thread with all this, but man...for the love of god can u keep it conversational for once. Come on dude... Nero You know Nero, maybe I do contest opinions that are different from mine. It's called debate. I like to engage in these frequently and I try to do so intelligently. But see you drop all of your so-called knowledge and you don't back up these opinions with anything substantial. See, even if you faked your way through an answer and googled some gospel names I would've been able to tell whether your opinion might be credible. What the hell could an athiest tell anyone about gospel music? It's like a vegetarian giving advice at a chili-cook off . But once again, you are giving a critique of a genre that is not your forte'. Because your family owned a Sam Cooke and the Soul Stirrers album and it moved you, that doesn't make you an authority on Gospel music. Had you cited examples and the differences between current gospel music and gospel that you enjoyed I might've been able to take you seriously. But you just spouted off being a member of a Pentacostal church and some general shit about Sam Cooke which doesn't mean or prove jack shit. Spank my ass? Sorry man. You haven't proven any point. Like a dull knife just ain't cutting.... you just talking loud... finish the rest since your such an expert on music
Do you wanna try again? Can you acknowledge anyone else besides Sam Cooke? [This message was edited Fri Aug 6 0:47:25 2004 by psykosoul] Talking loud and saying nothing, again Psyko. I love that everytime I don't care for a majority of artists that happen to belong to a genre-I apparently its not my forte'. We also have to remember music is art first and individuals respond to music on a aesthetic and perceptual level. So an athiest can tell you alot about gospel music. You're analogy misses the mark. I actually own several Sam Cooke albums, as well as a few other artists...again I don't claim to be an "authority"-which apparently u believe you are (hahaha) Again its art-there is no authority. I stated my case: current gospel TO ME, IN MY OPINION-is overproduced, I hate the sound of it. The thousand people deep chorus style singing, the cheezy electric keyboards sounds, the lack of songwriting ability. I check out Tonex's album for the Sheila E. guest appearance-and thought the band was tight & moderately funky at times...but boring. Again, I have a problem with the way you're asking the question..."CAN" of course I "CAN". It would be a far more interesting question if you're wondering who else acknowledge-not who else "CAN" I acknowledge. I'm gonna lean over to CD's and let u know who else I got in the "gospel" genre or what other gospel stuff I like: Shirley Caesar Clara Ward Staple Singers Mahalia Jackson Uncle Dave Macon (although more counrty/bluegrass/folky) Tramaine Hawkins (the older stuff) I like the way female singers are recorded & sound on on older gospel records. The micing was unique and when they it strong notes sometimes It distorts-sounds cool. So i lean towards the female singers. The Macon stuff is when I was trying to learn the banjo(!). And Psyko...since you are the expert on what other people "Fortes" & strong suits are-tell me what is mine. I know I'm leaving myself open for one of your pot shots. But seriously-what do u know about me. get a little culture man, read a book from someone outside your safe little world. nero | |
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i think Nero's the winner here. | |
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psykosoul said: drclay said: some of you guys are such hypocrites. YOu don't want prince to do a gospel album cuz you think it would be judgmental and preachy. and might offend you. C'mon, Prince has been offending people for years, and now that you might be the one that's offended, you want him to stop.
Copy... print... save He has spent his career saying what he wants... watch the interview on muchmore music. There has always been elements of worship in his music no matter what recording you listen to. IT would not be Prince without it. | |
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drgoldsmoke said: i was jus thinking, if the boys gotta gift, and he loves God, then he should use his gift2glorify God. Personally, I wanna hear what he's passionate about. I know he's touched on this stuff, but I wanna hear a joyous, full blown, non cryptic peice of work.
Who's down? Peace and love. [This message was edited Wed Aug 4 16:33:22 2004 by drgoldsmoke]  I'd need a brain enema to wash that stuff straight outta my ears! I pray (pun intended) this never happens.
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vainandy said: Here's another NO to add to the list.
Again we find common ground. We're gonna have to push that wedding date up! 
Luv & Peace, Alex Clubbin' in Mpls/A Night w. Prince [This message was edited Fri Aug 6 8:10:57 2004 by sloopydrew4u] | |
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psykosoul said: What the hell could an athiest tell anyone about gospel music? It's like a vegetarian giving advice at a chili-cook off
I don't care who ya are, that 's funny right there. | |
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