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Reply #30 posted 07/10/04 4:02pm

BorisFishpaw

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Glam Slam Ulysses was an "interactive musical theatre prodution". It was a dance performance
loosely based on Homer's Odyssey starring Carmen Electra (Prince himself didn't appear).
Some footage from it was included in 'The Beautiful Experience' TV special. It featured (at the
time) brand new, previously unreleased songs. The first material to be credited to prince rather
than Prince. It used the following tracks...

Strays Of The World
Dolphin
Interactive
Pheromone
Dark
Loose
Space
What's My Name
Endorphinemachine
Race
Come
Pope
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Reply #31 posted 07/10/04 4:26pm

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I also remember seeing a few sequences of Come where Prince was obviously trying to fit
Interactive on the album, but couldn't quite decide where to place it. It appeared before
Come, then after Space, then returned to the begining of the album and replaced Come
altogether. It also swapped between TGE and Come several times before being dropped
completely (finally surfacing on Crystal Ball). Interactive also appeared on 'The Dawn'
(in it's short lifespan before it was shelved). Unfortunately, the tracklist for this version
of 'The Dawn' has never surfaced (or any, come to think of it). Prince has had at least 3
attempts at making an album called 'The Dawn' over the years. The first was in 1986,
then in 1993, and finally again in 1997.
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Reply #32 posted 07/10/04 4:51pm

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Boris, I would just like to say thank you for clearing things up a bit, although somehow I feel more confused than when I started this thread. lol

Take a bow, Boris. clapping

Even though my guess at the original configuration may not be quite correct, it still makes for an excellent 60 minutes tape - it's a perfect fit with seven songs on each side and all of them good. It's a recommendable listening experience, so you should definitely try this at home, folks. wink

Another question has occurred to me: Considering that the jamaican rapper on the Pink Casmere 12" Remix (which I assume was made in '93) sounds like it's the same rapper as on I Rock, Therefore I Am, is it conceivable that I Rock, Therefore I Am was also recorded in 1993? confuse
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Reply #33 posted 07/10/04 4:55pm

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BorisFishpaw said:

The Come/Endorphin Machine/Space sequence came about very early on.
I know he often played Come/Endorphin Machine/Peach live, but I've never seen Peach
sequenced like this on any configuration. It was usually placed nearer the middle/later
part of the album.


You wouldn't happen to remember between what songs he put Peach, now would you? pray
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Reply #34 posted 07/10/04 5:04pm

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camilleisfunky said:

This is an excellent thread...


Thank you. Tell all your friends. I want filthy high ratings. wink

Because I think this is important knowledge to spread. Prince's vast 1993 production hasn't received sufficient coverage in any Prince publications and I think it deserves the recognition as Prince's most creative and productive period in the '90ies. biggrin
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Reply #35 posted 07/10/04 5:06pm

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Poem
Interactive
Endorphinmachine
Space
Pheromone
Loose!
Papa
Race
Dark
Solo
Strays of the world
This is the Come album as it was originally delivered to Warner Bros. 'Poem' was later broken up to form the segues and 'Orgasm' in the released version of the album, while 'Interactive' and 'Strays of the world' were removed and later came out on the Crystal ball set. Everything else is the same as on the released version of the Come album. 'Poem' is the only track from the test pressing not officially available in the form it has here, but that's not enough to make this especially interesting or worthwhile.

Recommendation rating (out of 10): 2
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Reply #36 posted 07/10/04 5:08pm

ravewithdawn

here are the remixes
come
Pheromone I
Loose
Race
Letitgo
Interactive
What's my name mix
Walk don't walk
The sacrifice of Victor
Controversy
Pheromone II
The remix of 'Come' is done very professionally and sounds almost like something that could have been on a 12". The others vary, some are well produced, others not so, but overall this is a pretty decent collection of DJ mixes.

Recommendation rating (out of 10): 8.5
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Reply #37 posted 07/10/04 5:14pm

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scififilmnerd said:

BorisFishpaw said:

The Come/Endorphin Machine/Space sequence came about very early on.
I know he often played Come/Endorphin Machine/Peach live, but I've never seen Peach
sequenced like this on any configuration. It was usually placed nearer the middle/later
part of the album.


You wouldn't happen to remember between what songs he put Peach, now would you? pray


1. Come
2. Endorphinmachine
3. Space
4. Interactive
5. Pheromone
6. Loose
7. Papa
8. Race
9. Peach
10. Pope
11. Dark
12. Solo
13. Dolphin
14. Poem

it's interesting how 'Endorphin Machine' changes it's name over time. It started life as
'Endorphin Machine' then by the time of Glam Slam Ulysses had grown an 'e' and turned
into one word 'Endorphinemachine', then it couldn't decide whether it was two words or one
as it swapped between projects, sometimes appearing as 'Endorphinmachine' and sometimes
as 'Endorphin Machine' before finally being released as one word.

Also, I've just noticed I made an error in my listing for the first sequence of Come.
It shouldn't include 'Race' (I'm so used to automatically putting it after Papa).
It should be...

1. Come
2. Endorphin Machine
3. Space
4. Pheromone
5. Loose
6. Papa
7. Dark
8. Dolphin
9. Poem

(short album, but then it was only the first rough version)
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Reply #38 posted 07/10/04 5:33pm

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BorisFishpaw said:

1. Come
2. Endorphinmachine
3. Space
4. Interactive
5. Pheromone
6. Loose
7. Papa
8. Race
9. Peach
10. Pope
11. Dark
12. Solo
13. Dolphin
14. Poem


love

Well, why didn't you just say so right away? wink

And this is a track list from 1993, from before The Dawn, right? So maybe this is the track list that Mayte referred to in her letter, and the short, 9-track list you just corrected was actually prior to May 30th? (As she also refers to Pope which doesn't figure on the really short track list.) confuse

Gosh, the number of configurations just keep growing. He was indeed a busy little critter that year. lol

Do you also remember the complete track list from the '94 configuration that started with the "spiritual" version of Come and ended with the "sex"-version (and Strays of The World as a hidden track)? pray
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Reply #39 posted 07/10/04 5:37pm

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ravewithdawn said:

Poem
Interactive
Endorphinmachine
Space
Pheromone
Loose!
Papa
Race
Dark
Solo
Strays of the world
This is the Come album as it was originally delivered to Warner Bros. 'Poem' was later broken up to form the segues and 'Orgasm' in the released version of the album, while 'Interactive' and 'Strays of the world' were removed and later came out on the Crystal ball set.


Yes, that's the March 11th 1994 configuration. We already covered that. confused

ravewithdawn said:

Everything else is the same as on the released version of the Come album. 'Poem' is the only track from the test pressing not officially available in the form it has here, but that's not enough to make this especially interesting or worthwhile.
Recommendation rating (out of 10): 2


Not true. Endorphine Machine is different from the released version and segues with Space. And I do not agree with that rating! stab
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Reply #40 posted 07/10/04 5:38pm

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There were also many versions of Come (the title track) recorded and remixed over time.
The vast majority of which have never surfaced. 7 of which were going to be used on an EP
release much like 'The Beautiful Experience' EP. 18 & Over was one of these mixes and so
was the remix used in 'The Beautiful Experience' TV Special (in fact I think that version was
going to be the new 'regular' version and was due to replace the original album version).
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Reply #41 posted 07/10/04 5:40pm

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Reply #42 posted 07/10/04 5:43pm

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BorisFishpaw said:

There were also many versions of Come (the title track) recorded and remixed over time.
The vast majority of which have never surfaced. 7 of which were going to be used on an EP
release much like 'The Beautiful Experience' EP. 18 & Over was one of these mixes and so
was the remix used in 'The Beautiful Experience' TV Special (in fact I think that version was
going to be the new 'regular' version and was due to replace the original album version).


I suspected as much and would love to hear them. Certainly, the Space single was very good. mushy

Prince should put the Come EP up for sale on NPGMC. He'd earn a little money and beat the bootleggers. It's a win-win situation. wink
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Reply #43 posted 07/10/04 5:53pm

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scififilmnerd said:

BorisFishpaw said:


1. Come
2. Endorphinmachine
3. Space
4. Interactive
5. Pheromone
6. Loose
7. Papa
8. Race
9. Peach
10. Pope
11. Dark
12. Solo
13. Dolphin
14. Poem


love

Well, why didn't you just say so right away? wink

And this is a track list from 1993, from before The Dawn, right? So maybe this is the track list that Mayte referred to in her letter, and the short, 9-track list you just corrected was actually prior to May 30th? (As she also refers to Pope which doesn't figure on the really short track list.) confuse

Gosh, the number of configurations just keep growing. He was indeed a busy little critter that year. lol

Do you also remember the complete track list from the '94 configuration that started with the "spiritual" version of Come and ended with the "sex"-version (and Strays of The World as a hidden track)? pray
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I don't know the exact date of the configuration above, but it's certainly sometime between
May - August 1993

The version with 2 'Come's is from April-May 1994

1. Come
2. Interactive
3. Endorphinmachine
4. Space
5. Pheromone
6. Loose
7. Papa
8. Race
9. Dark
10. Solo
11. Come
12.(Strays Of The World)
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Reply #44 posted 07/10/04 5:57pm

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scififilmnerd said:

BorisFishpaw said:

There were also many versions of Come (the title track) recorded and remixed over time.
The vast majority of which have never surfaced. 7 of which were going to be used on an EP
release much like 'The Beautiful Experience' EP. 18 & Over was one of these mixes and so
was the remix used in 'The Beautiful Experience' TV Special (in fact I think that version was
going to be the new 'regular' version and was due to replace the original album version).


I suspected as much and would love to hear them. Certainly, the Space single was very good. mushy

Prince should put the Come EP up for sale on NPGMC. He'd earn a little money and beat the bootleggers. It's a win-win situation. wink
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He had planned on doing a whole series of 'Experience' 7 track EP's for his singles.
It's a shame they never materialized. There were ones planned for Come, Loose, Space,
I Hate U and Love Sign.

I've also heard that there were many attempts to record Days Of Wild (not for an EP release
though), as it was a song that always seemed to come alive when played live, but Prince was
never entirely satisfied with the 'several' different studio recordings of it (yes, that means
there are multiple seperate studio takes of this track that have never surfaced anywhere
sitting in the vault).
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Reply #45 posted 07/10/04 5:58pm

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BorisFishpaw said:

The version with 2 'Come's is from April-May 1994

1. Come
2. Interactive
3. Endorphinmachine
4. Space
5. Pheromone
6. Loose
7. Papa
8. Race
9. Dark
10. Solo
11. Come
12.(Strays Of The World)


worship

Thank you, Boris! I don't know how it is you know the things that you do, but I sure like that you do. biggrin
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Reply #46 posted 07/10/04 6:03pm

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BorisFishpaw said:

He had planned on doing a whole series of 'Experience' 7 track EP's for his singles.
It's a shame they never materialized. There were ones planned for Come, Loose, Space,
I Hate U and Love Sign.


But he didn't do the Love Sign remixes himself, so I don't really care about those. shake

But I suspected as much with Loose, and I suspect that So Dark was intended for that, too, as a kind of B-side track. nod

So the Loose and Come EPs are really the only ones that weren't released. (Space and The Hate Experience was.) biggrin
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Reply #47 posted 07/10/04 6:09pm

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scififilmnerd said:

BorisFishpaw said:

The version with 2 'Come's is from April-May 1994

1. Come
2. Interactive
3. Endorphinmachine
4. Space
5. Pheromone
6. Loose
7. Papa
8. Race
9. Dark
10. Solo
11. Come
12.(Strays Of The World)


worship

Thank you, Boris! I don't know how it is you know the things that you do, but I sure like that you do. biggrin


I've never heard or seen the track times for this version, but I've always suspected that the
first version of Come on it is the remix (It's just a hunch, due to it being seperated from
Endorphinmachine by Interactive), though it's also entirely possible that it is in fact 'Poem'
just 'renamed' (due to it's similarity to the 11 March version). Who knows, but personally I
kinda hope it's the former. Also, I'm pretty sure that there's actually only 11 tracks on this
version, and Come/Strays Of The World appears as one long track.
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Reply #48 posted 07/10/04 6:15pm

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BorisFishpaw said:

some of the tracks were actually recorded in '91 (Race)


Yep, that's the version that he put on Come initially. But he reworked the track prior to TheBeautiful Experience TV movie. That version is quite excellent, also. The final, released version is a kind of edit of the Beautiful Experience version.

But was the 5 minutes version from the TV movie included on any of the album configurations?

Or was it the '91 version on all of the 1993 configurations and then the released version on all of the 1994 configurations? confuse
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Reply #49 posted 07/10/04 6:27pm

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scififilmnerd said:

BorisFishpaw said:

some of the tracks were actually recorded in '91 (Race)


Yep, that's the version that he put on Come initially. But he reworked the track prior to TheBeautiful Experience TV movie. That version is quite excellent, also. The final, released version is a kind of edit of the Beautiful Experience version.

But was the 5 minutes version from the TV movie included on any of the album configurations?

Or was it the '91 version on all of the 1993 configurations and then the released version on all of the 1994 configurations? confuse
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Yes, interesting question, and unfortunately I don't know. Though the 5 min TV version is in
fact an edit itself, of a 'full length' 7 min version that is still unreleased. Also, the actual '91
version has never suraced either, as the version used on early configurations of Come and
the Glam Slam Ulysses show was itself an updated/remixed version from May '93. So there's
actually at least 3 distinct versions (or 5 if you count the 3 edits of the final mix).
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Reply #50 posted 07/10/04 6:41pm

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BorisFishpaw said:

the 5 min TV version is in
fact an edit itself, of a 'full length' 7 min version that is still unreleased. Also, the actual '91
version has never suraced either, as the version used on early configurations of Come and
the Glam Slam Ulysses show was itself an updated/remixed version from May '93. So there's
actually at least 3 distinct versions (or 5 if you count the 3 edits of the final mix).


omfg

Well, then he should do a Race EP too, so's we can hear 'em all. lol
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Reply #51 posted 07/10/04 8:34pm

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I just want to say that this is the best post I have seen in quite sometime. Thanks everyone for sharing a wonderful conversation. smile

Much more positive then a topic regarding our boy Larry...
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Reply #52 posted 07/11/04 12:48am

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Wow, awsome thread. This was such an awsome time to be a fan. Reading through this has brought back some wonderful memories!
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Reply #53 posted 07/11/04 5:37am

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March 11th 1994? Wasn't "Letitgo" recorded on March 16th 1994? That would make the 11th not the final configuration (obviously because "Strays" is the final track). So in the 5 days between the 11th and 16th Prince wasn't happy with that version of "Come" and wrote "Letitgo" in that period (probably realising he would have to include a track somewhere that explains the name change somewhat, and some sort of closure to Prince in ready for the introduction of prince on TGE).

So after March 16 and before the retail release, what was the finaldate? does anyone know?
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Reply #54 posted 07/11/04 5:50am

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there are a lot of brilliant songs that have been recorded by P during that time period, one of which is i.m.o. "Loose". I was watching one of the Glam Slam performances and i was blown away by how good Loose sounded live.
Does anybody know if remixes of Loose exist? I have always imagined there would be a shelved EP much like he did for TMBGITW, or Love Sign (2 other masterpieces).
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Reply #55 posted 07/11/04 6:44am

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BorisFishpaw said:

I love this period in Prince's career. So many great songs came out of this era.
IMHO, his most creative period since the '86-'87 Dream Factory/Camille/Crystal Ball era.



Stop being humble, you walking encyclopedia.

We all love reading what you have to say about our fave artist.

And indeed, so true, the recordings, his edge, the live experiences made this period so exciting I still get shiffers just remembering that kickdrum intro to the live version of COME.
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tollyc said:

I just want to say that this is the best post I have seen in quite sometime. Thanks everyone for sharing a wonderful conversation. smile

Much more positive then a topic regarding our boy Larry...


I have to agree. I wish we had more threads like this.

I love Nerdie for putting so much time into a wonderful thread like this.

And a hug to PawieBoy for engagin fully into sumthing Michael so clearly loves.

hamster heart Michael.
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Reply #57 posted 07/11/04 8:39am

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dnaplaya said:

March 11th 1994? Wasn't "Letitgo" recorded on March 16th 1994? That would make the 11th not the final configuration (obviously because "Strays" is the final track). So in the 5 days between the 11th and 16th Prince wasn't happy with that version of "Come" and wrote "Letitgo" in that period (probably realising he would have to include a track somewhere that explains the name change somewhat, and some sort of closure to Prince in ready for the introduction of prince on TGE).




i've read that WB and Prince felt that it needed a strong single, so he went off and recorded "Letitgo"



..... mind-boggling. yeah, i like that song a lot..... but it doesn't scream "obvious single" to me....
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Reply #58 posted 07/11/04 9:20am

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Here's another little known fact...

After Prince had submitted the March 11th 1994 version of 'Come'
(the one that had the following tracklist...)

1. Poem
2. Interactive
3. Endorphin Machine
4. Space
5. Pheromone
6. Loose
7. Papa
8. Race
9. Dark
10. Solo
11. Strays Of The World

WB were not happy with the album and asked for the inclusion of several newer stronger
tracks like 'The Most Beautiful Girl In The World' and 'Days Of Wild', as well as the actual
title track 'Come', which had been inexplicably dropped.

PRINCE AGREED, and submitted another new version of the album (including all these tracks)
to WB on March 19th. Unfortunately the tracklist for this configuration is not known, but it
may have looked something like this...

1. Come
2. Interactive
3. Endorphin Machine
4. Space
5. Days Of Wild
6. The Most Beautiful Girl In The World
7. Pheromone
8. Loose
9. Papa
10. Race
11. Dark
12. Solo
13. Dolphin
14. Strays Of The World

It may even have included tracks like 'Acknowledge Me' or the newly recorded 'Let It Go'.
(which wasn't called 'Letitigo' until just before the final album was released - just to make
it a one word title like the others).
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Reply #59 posted 07/11/04 9:42am

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dnaplaya said:

March 11th 1994? Wasn't "Letitgo" recorded on March 16th 1994? That would make the 11th not the final configuration (obviously because "Strays" is the final track). So in the 5 days between the 11th and 16th Prince wasn't happy with that version of "Come" and wrote "Letitgo" in that period (probably realising he would have to include a track somewhere that explains the name change somewhat, and some sort of closure to Prince in ready for the introduction of prince on TGE).

So after March 16 and before the retail release, what was the finaldate? does anyone know?


The final version of 'Come' was submitted to WB on May 19th 1994. It was also at this time
that he decided that it would be a 'Prince' album and not a 'prince' album. Up until then, 'Come'
was going to be the debut album by 'prince'. Almost all of the tracks had already been officially
credited as new 'prince' tracks when they appeared in the Glam Slam Ulysses show and the
Beautiful Experience TV special.
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