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Reply #30 posted 03/04/22 12:21am

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strawberryletter23 said:

I am not sure what the point is - if it is about money, what do they have to lose by having them make money billed as the band they have always been? It isn't like the ticket sales or new material would take away from any sort of thing from the Estate's pockets on The Time material Prince wrote, right?




Fucking ridiculous. How can the estate claim to be acting in Prince's best interests and then turn around and fuck Morris Day, a long time friend of Prince, over a name he's been using for decades. A name which Prince himself had no problems with.
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Reply #31 posted 03/04/22 1:19am

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motherfunka said:

Per the estate docs, looks like there's something going on with Apollonia 6 too.

maybe they're gonna tell Apollonia to stop using that name mad

And is Jerome still Jerome ?

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Reply #32 posted 03/04/22 1:28am

Vannormal

Thus, in 1982 Prince himself had Morris Day (& The time) signing a contract where Morris or The Time

“has no right to use or register [the name] THE TIME in any form” — (which presumably includes concerts and recordings)... That's what 40 years ago ? Prince is dead ?

I'm absolutely no expert, but do contracts still count when someone is 'dead'?

Morris apparently signed this contract that says “acknowledged that PRN Music Corporation, an entity which, at the time, was wholly owned by Prince, is the ‘sole and exclusive owner of all rights in and to’ THE TIME.”

OK.

So, Prince used Morris Day & The Time as well as other protegées, as prostitutes, so he could make money out of them performing and giving face to his songs... Quite pimp-ish in fact.

Anyway, a contract is a contract, i do understand that. Both parties somehow agreed.

But still after Prince's death ?!

Someone needs to explain that to my simple European brains...

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He can still change his name to ''Morris Daye & The Tyme''

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Reply #33 posted 03/04/22 4:21am

SolaceAHA

Didnt PRINCE do this when he was alive? Wouldnt let him go out as "The Time" so then Morris seperated himself. Why do I have feeling this is coming down to calling it "THE TIME" If he played on the words I am sure he could get around this, like Prince got around things with the symbol, cause we know "his spirit didnt tell him to change it, his bank account did"

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Reply #34 posted 03/04/22 6:01am

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It looks like the issue is in the combination with “the time”.
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Reply #35 posted 03/04/22 6:52am

IHeartNPG4Life

I did some checking and since billboard pointed out who the attorneys for comerica are? I discovered the law firm and the bank have social media pages. Maybe fans can sway some changes if those in charge start getting DMs and emails explaining how this will impact profits by angering the fans. Treat it like we do when we contact our senators and leaders about something we don't like. You can click their social media links on their main webpages.

The law firm of Fredrikson and Byron main website is fredlaw.com

The bank site is comerica.com.

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www.worldsymphonyforpeace.org and learn what Morris Hayes is doing for humanity with music..
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Reply #36 posted 03/04/22 7:04am

FrankieCoco1

Since Prince’s passing, when “The Revolution” and “The New Power Generation” bands play, does the Estate get a cut, e.g. due to licensing?
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Reply #37 posted 03/04/22 7:06am

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https://www.discogs.com/r...Condensate

I don't think they had no problem when this album came out. "The band fomerly known as The Time"

Love the album music
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Reply #38 posted 03/04/22 7:10am

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The ban simply shows the inability of the Estate to come up with a licensing agreement that Morris c.s. can agree with.

I.e.: a missed opportunity for an income stream.

That is what you get from the 'media experts'.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #39 posted 03/04/22 7:25am

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luv4u said:

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https://www.discogs.com/r...Condensate

I don't think they had no problem when this album came out. "The band fomerly known as The Time"

Love the album music
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I would love it if the original members got back together for another album. I still play Condensate regularly.
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Reply #40 posted 03/04/22 7:53am

briant

You can seach the US (Patent and) Trademark website (USPTO dot GOV) - the TESS system - to find out who owns what trademarks.

Looks like the lawyers of "Paisley Park" have been at work trademarking several things recently. Below is what they "own" at the moment, many just recently claimed.

In addition, the Variety article says the lawyers have documents that prove Morris signed the legal rights to "The Time" to Prince. The lawyers WANT to license the name to Morris Day. There is certainly value to the name, as Morris acknowledges. It belongs to the estate, and the lawyers will act to protect the value of the estate.

Morriss Day DID file a claim to "Morriss Day and The Time" for live performances. However, that claim was just cancelled. I take that to mean the Estate lawyers threatened a lawsuit - and Morris Day's lawyers thought they would lose:

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List of current / recent Paisley Park trademarks

CLUB PAISLEY
NPG
NPG MUSIC CLUB
PAISLEY PARK
PAISLEY PARK RECORDS
PRINCE
PRINCE & 3RDEYEGIRL
PRINCE AND THE REVOLUTION
PRINCE VAULT
PRINCE: THE IMMERSIVE EXPERIENCE
SIGN "O" THE TIMES
THE PRINCE ESTATE OFFICIAL & APPROVED (This trademark is no longer active)



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Reply #41 posted 03/04/22 8:56am

udo

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EmmaMcG said:

luv4u said:

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https://www.discogs.com/r...Condensate

I don't think they had no problem when this album came out. "The band fomerly known as The Time"

Love the album music
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I would love it if the original members got back together for another album. I still play Condensate regularly.

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I'd love for you not to quote all that shit (now done to clarify) to add just your love for something.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #42 posted 03/04/22 9:25am

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udo said:



EmmaMcG said:


luv4u said:

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https://www.discogs.com/r...Condensate

I don't think they had no problem when this album came out. "The band fomerly known as The Time"

Love the album music
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I would love it if the original members got back together for another album. I still play Condensate regularly.

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I'd love for you not to quote all that shit (now done to clarify) to add just your love for something.



thumbs up!
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Reply #43 posted 03/04/22 9:42am

SolaceAHA

And why is the Original Seven album gone, no streaming outlets have it to my knowledge and not even to buy anymore anywhere, is it because of the "Band formerley known as the time". So then why are "The Revolution" allowed to tour with that? Because they were never a seperate entity? if thats the case why can ALL the NPG go out as the NPG with new singers filling in for Prince, why doesnt the estate have an issue with that? because Morris hayes helped on Welcome 2 America"?

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Reply #44 posted 03/04/22 9:42am

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Reply #45 posted 03/04/22 9:47am

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I just wanna let u know that we, the Purple Family, got your back on this. We pray this gets resolved successfully. Stay strong & stay cool, because after all, just like u said: "Only The Cool Survive". 😎
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Reply #46 posted 03/04/22 9:57am

bozojones

The estate is a fucking joke. They could be working with the record labels to move along the release of new music from one of the most prolific artists of all time, but instead they're pulling this greedy bullshit. Meanwhile, there hasn't been a major release since last summer, with seemingly no announcements on the horizon rolleyes
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Reply #47 posted 03/04/22 11:33am

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bozojones said:

The estate is a fucking joke. They could be working with the record labels to move along the release of new music from one of the most prolific artists of all time, but instead they're pulling this greedy bullshit. Meanwhile, there hasn't been a major release since last summer, with seemingly no announcements on the horizon rolleyes

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That is the effect of the 'media experts' and other non-suitable people working there.

They only think about their own bottom line and not about the real goals they should be working for.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #48 posted 03/04/22 11:45am

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The remastered version of The Time's debut album(whom was produced,written,arranged & performed by the creator of The Time Prince(r.i.p) ) . I've been listening to recently sounds great. It's a full circle moment for me to FINALLY hear it like it suppose to sound.


"That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when eye was doing the Purple Rain tour eye had a lot of people who eye knew eye'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream."prince
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Reply #49 posted 03/04/22 11:55am

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Until we know all the facts, it's probably best not to jump to conclusions/sides/etc. We don't know everything. There may be a reason for this. Also, I'm reading there could be merchandise selling involved etc. Also, it looks like Morris and The Estate ust can't reach an agreement yet. So rather than jump onto one or the pther party's bandwagon, it's best to collect more informaton.

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Reply #50 posted 03/04/22 12:30pm

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What's not being said is that the Estate very likely wants a 20% cut for use of the name "The Time" and/or concert proceeds going further.
I know the NPG have a similar arrangement with the estate.
Unfortunately they can't release any future NPG albums, live or otherwise, without the estate's consent.
Pretty shitty move by the estate - as "Morris Day and the Time" was never trademarked by Prince.
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Reply #51 posted 03/04/22 1:36pm

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MOrris Day & The Tyme?

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Reply #52 posted 03/04/22 1:47pm

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

The remastered version of The Time's debut album(whom was produced,written,arranged & performed by the creator of The Time Prince(r.i.p) ) . I've been listening to recently sounds great. It's a full circle moment for me to FINALLY hear it like it suppose to sound.

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Uhh... Wait!

There is a remastered version of 'The Time'?!?

Excuse my ignorance but I'd have expected more fanfare here if there were one released....

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #53 posted 03/04/22 2:16pm

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That’s embarrassingly greedy

Greedy? I don't know what kind of money they expect to earn from the Time. What do they earn, $50 per year for ther meager album streams. This move by the estate sucks and maybe it is motivated by greed, but they arne't likely to make any additional bucks controlling the name.

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Reply #54 posted 03/04/22 2:18pm

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Reply #55 posted 03/04/22 2:33pm

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udo said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

The remastered version of The Time's debut album(whom was produced,written,arranged & performed by the creator of The Time Prince(r.i.p) ) . I've been listening to recently sounds great. It's a full circle moment for me to FINALLY hear it like it suppose to sound.

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Uhh... Wait!

There is a remastered version of 'The Time'?!?

Excuse my ignorance but I'd have expected more fanfare here if there were one released....

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I'm not a liar! Maybe this negative publicity will give it more attention now.

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"That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when eye was doing the Purple Rain tour eye had a lot of people who eye knew eye'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream."prince
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Reply #56 posted 03/04/22 2:57pm

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The remastered edition popped up sometime last summer on Spotify. Pretty good sound quality. Far better than the original release anyway. Shame it didn't have any proper bonus tracks though. In a perfect world, we'd get a remaster series of The Time's albums that included Prince's original versions included as a bonus.
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Reply #57 posted 03/04/22 3:01pm

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udo said:

The ban simply shows the inability of the Estate to come up with a licensing agreement that Morris c.s. can agree with.

I.e.: a missed opportunity for an income stream.

That is what you get from the 'media experts'.

Why do they have to come up with an agreement with Morris? They don't have to do squat.

Morris doesn't own the name 'The Time'.

Do you know that Morris filed for a copyright 2-3 weeks after P died, for something he didn't even own?

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Reply #58 posted 03/04/22 5:16pm

SoulAlive

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I am not sure what the point is - if it is about money, what do they have to lose by having them make money billed as the band they have always been? It isn't like the ticket sales or new material would take away from any sort of thing from the Estate's pockets on The Time material Prince wrote, right?

exactly and I don't think that the estate really has any future plans for 'The Time'.They're not gonna do anything with that name,so they should just let Morris and the guys continue to use it and do their thing.

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Reply #59 posted 03/04/22 5:19pm

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Vannormal said:

He can still change his name to ''Morris Daye & The Tyme''

There's an old doo wop group named The Tymes

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