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Reply #150 posted 03/09/22 10:15pm

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PennyPurple said:

From the court documents, Apples may be in trouble also.



For what, her podcast money? Maybe if they take a percentage of her one of those appearances on a cruise ship, or when she shows up to a reunion show to hand out earings, they'll be able to afford their legal bills.

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Reply #151 posted 03/10/22 7:05am

Vannormal

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Vannormal said:

It's not that.

It all was Prince's idea in the first place to begin with.

They all had the chance of making something out of their own, after they left the Prince camp.

Apollonia didn't do much, Vanity tried, Morris did, and Mazarati faded into oblivion, tbh.

All without the 'help' of Prince, though having him created a serious start (through his name and fame) to begin with. If not we probably never would've heard from them.

Prince had Sheila named Sheila E. instead of Escovido. But I think that is allowed to do so for her.

Same for Bobby Z, Dr. Fink, Brownmark...

"Vanity tried".

What do U mean Vanity tried ?! Did U really just say that?

Vanity(r.i.p.)(whom I communicated with) turned herself into a BONAFIED, MEGA movie star & sex symbol after she left Prince(r.i.p.). disbelief

[Edited 3/9/22 7:15am]

Yep. I just said that right there. wink

Bonafied (Mega Movie Star?) is the word that i'll remember.

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Another thing, The Revolution are allowed to use that name to tour, right ?

With the names of Bobby Z, Dr. Fnk, Brownmark... all invented names by Prince.

Don't see why Morris and The Time can't do the same... even for the sake of a 40 yo contract or not...

just mho.

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Reply #152 posted 03/10/22 7:11am

Vannormal

lavendardrummachine said:

PennyPurple said:

From the court documents, Apples may be in trouble also.



For what, her podcast money? Maybe if they take a percentage of her one of those appearances on a cruise ship, or when she shows up to a reunion show to hand out earings, they'll be able to afford their legal bills.

Exactly.

She also might've been a 'Bonafied Mega Movie Star' we're not aware of. lol

Sorry, I don't want to be mean.

But if indeed Appels may be in trouble, it is far from any logic understanding so far.

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Reply #153 posted 03/10/22 7:38am

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Vannormal said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

"Vanity tried".

What do U mean Vanity tried ?! Did U really just say that?

Vanity(r.i.p.)(whom I communicated with) turned herself into a BONAFIED, MEGA movie star & sex symbol after she left Prince(r.i.p.). disbelief

[Edited 3/9/22 7:15am]

Yep. I just said that right there. wink

Bonafied (Mega Movie Star?) is the word that i'll remember.

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Another thing, The Revolution are allowed to use that name to tour, right ?

With the names of Bobby Z, Dr. Fnk, Brownmark... all invented names by Prince.

Don't see why Morris and The Time can't do the same... even for the sake of a 40 yo contract or not...

just mho.

"The Revolution are allowed to use that name to tour,"

After a licensing fee is paid. I know they sold some "The Revolution"(whom I attended a few of their shows) merchandise @ the venues.

[Edited 3/13/22 19:48pm]

"That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when eye was doing the Purple Rain tour eye had a lot of people who eye knew eye'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream."prince
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Reply #154 posted 03/10/22 8:59am

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Vannormal said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

"Vanity tried".

What do U mean Vanity tried ?! Did U really just say that?

Vanity(r.i.p.)(whom I communicated with) turned herself into a BONAFIED, MEGA movie star & sex symbol after she left Prince(r.i.p.). disbelief

[Edited 3/9/22 7:15am]

Yep. I just said that right there. wink

Bonafied (Mega Movie Star?) is the word that i'll remember.

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Another thing, The Revolution are allowed to use that name to tour, right ?

With the names of Bobby Z, Dr. Fnk, Brownmark... all invented names by Prince.

Don't see why Morris and The Time can't do the same... even for the sake of a 40 yo contract or not...

just mho.

My guess is they are paying some kind of licensing fees when they tour and Morris is trying to not go that route, not sure. But the NPG also tour but then again, Morris Hayes was a bigger part of Prince's world the last two decades. I mean the NPG was said to be doing new music too under that name so I dont know, At one point The Revolution said that too or hinted at it.

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Reply #155 posted 03/10/22 5:13pm

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The estate do own the trademark for 'The Revolution' but they only filed for it when the band started touring after Prince's death.

When the band performed in 2012 under the name, Prince didn't own the trademark or attempt to stop them.

Like Morris, its the Estate looking for retrospective control over matters Prince didn't seem to have a problem with.

Interestingly, although the Estate have control of 'The Revolution', the trademarks for 'The Time' and 'The Family' expired. There was never a trademark application for 'Sheila E'.

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Reply #156 posted 03/10/22 7:21pm

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lavendardrummachine said:

PennyPurple said:

From the court documents, Apples may be in trouble also.



For what, her podcast money? Maybe if they take a percentage of her one of those appearances on a cruise ship, or when she shows up to a reunion show to hand out earings, they'll be able to afford their legal bills.

I may be wrong but I think she is trying to Trademark Apollonia 6. ?

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Reply #157 posted 03/10/22 10:06pm

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GaryMF said:

Mumio said:

This, like many other things that went on while Prince was still here to call the shots, has changed. Someone must protect his intellectual property and the estate is currently doing it as determined by the court. Comerica is doing the job they were hired to do, it's their fiduciary duty and legal obligation.

From a legal trademark perspective, "Morris Day and the Time" is not the same as "The Time"

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It's over-reach.

He can't use "The Time" as part of his band name in any fashion.

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Reply #158 posted 03/11/22 3:59am

Vannormal

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Vannormal said:

Yep. I just said that right there. wink

Bonafied (Mega Movie Star?) is the word that i'll remember.

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Another thing, The Revolution are allowed to use that name to tour, right ?

With the names of Bobby Z, Dr. Fnk, Brownmark... all invented names by Prince.

Don't see why Morris and The Time can't do the same... even for the sake of a 40 yo contract or not...

just mho.

"The Revolution are allowed to use that name to tour,"

After a licensing fee is paid. I know they sold some "The Revolution"(whom I attended a few of their shows) merchandise @ the venues.

True, as I come to think of it, cause I attended their shows as well over here in Europe.

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Reply #159 posted 03/11/22 3:23pm

SoulAlive

Earlier in this thread,I suggested that Morris simply bill the shows as "Morris Day" and it looks like he's doing exactly that eek but this is actually a smart move.The estate can't come after him.That's his birth name.The audiences will still show up.They know that "Morris Day" means "The Time" and that they will still hear those songs.

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Reply #160 posted 03/11/22 3:39pm

SoulAlive

SquirrelMeat said:

The estate do own the trademark for 'The Revolution' but they only filed for it when the band started touring after Prince's death.

When the band performed in 2012 under the name, Prince didn't own the trademark or attempt to stop them.

Like Morris, its the Estate looking for retrospective control over matters Prince didn't seem to have a problem with.

Interestingly, although the Estate have control of 'The Revolution', the trademarks for 'The Time' and 'The Family' expired. There was never a trademark application for 'Sheila E'.

at least Jill Jones is safe.That's her real name smile

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Reply #161 posted 03/11/22 4:50pm

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SoulAlive said:

at least Jill Jones is safe.That's her real name smile

You never know....that's why P came up with the symbol.



“The company owns the name Prince and all related music marketed under Prince. I became merely a pawn used to produce more money for Warner Brothers.” He decided, therefore, to ensure that the point really stuck, the singer changed his name to a symbol.

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Reply #162 posted 03/11/22 9:45pm

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Mumio said:

GaryMF said:

From a legal trademark perspective, "Morris Day and the Time" is not the same as "The Time"

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It's over-reach.

He can't use "The Time" as part of his band name in any fashion.

Are you a trademark lawyer? That makes no sense.

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That's like saying no and can come out now called "COckroaches and the beatles" because there is a band called "the beatles."

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more likley he can't afford to fight them.

[Edited 3/11/22 21:45pm]

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Reply #163 posted 03/11/22 10:16pm

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GaryMF said:

Mumio said:

He can't use "The Time" as part of his band name in any fashion.

Are you a trademark lawyer? That makes no sense.

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That's like saying no and can come out now called "COckroaches and the beatles" because there is a band called "the beatles."

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more likley he can't afford to fight them.

[Edited 3/11/22 21:45pm]

No, I am not a trademark lawyer. Whether it does or doesn't make sense to you, that is what the issue is. The name "The Time" is Prince's intellectual property and he can't use it unless he pays for a license.

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Reply #164 posted 03/11/22 11:09pm

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luv4u said:

SoulAlive said:

maybe they're gonna tell Apollonia to stop using that name mad


Or Sheila E or..............

But Sheila E is her name lol

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Reply #165 posted 03/11/22 11:17pm

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SoulAlive said:

it's just sad that everything has to be monetized confused imagine going on the road,doing shows,but not being able to use the actual name that audiences know.

Hell look at the flyer you just posted. Lead singer Mark Adam Wood owns the Lakeside name but he hired other members he can pay cheaper while the other members of the group and had to tour as the Original Lakeside with Otis Stokes and the late William Shelby(Dynasty) singing lead vocals.

I believe War and Lonnie Jordon had their own going battle too.

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Reply #166 posted 03/12/22 11:49am

SolaceAHA

The funny thing is that THE REVOLUTION did most of their touring after his death which was after the estate had the trademark so there has to be some sort of $$$ deal here with go out use the name but you pay us X amount of $$ for the use of the name or from your ticket sales. I mean there was tons of merch at shows too for the Revolution and a few signed photos the iconic WDC shot of the band signed by the Revolution with Prince on it you know thats got to be estate money. BUT I know we all hate or find ways to HATE the estate, but the reality is without some sort of organiztion, or incoming money to produce any future releases to keep the lights on at Paisley etc... My question to all who have said PRINCE NEVER would have allowed shirts to be sold, posters, masks, water bottles, and even some or these releases, I always hear some fans say, PRINCE Put it in the vault for a reason. My question would be, so on April 21 2016 should all have ceased? Should there have been no memorabila, PP tours, Re issues, videos on youtube, picture books etc... none of these were even on the table when he was alive.

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Reply #167 posted 03/12/22 1:11pm

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SolaceAHA said:

The funny thing is that THE REVOLUTION did most of their touring after his death which was after the estate had the trademark so there has to be some sort of $$$ deal here


They might have just done it.

There was also a mutual need for tribute shows, so I think there was a period before the Estate were really thinking about enforcing trademarks.

Wendy and Lisa are pretty business savvy, so there might be more to the story how that one went down, but they annonced reuniting pretty quickl and unless Bobby had a back up or could crank up Fairlight disks, the samples at tribute shows seemed to have cooperation and access to originals that weren't used live in a long time even by Prince.

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Reply #168 posted 03/12/22 2:31pm

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phunkdaddy said:

SoulAlive said:

it's just sad that everything has to be monetized confused imagine going on the road,doing shows,but not being able to use the actual name that audiences know.

Hell look at the flyer you just posted. Lead singer Mark Adam Wood owns the Lakeside name but he hired other members he can pay cheaper while the other members of the group and had to tour as the Original Lakeside with Otis Stokes and the late William Shelby(Dynasty) singing lead vocals.

I believe War and Lonnie Jordon had their own going battle too.

That's my point. If the othe rmembers who don't own the trademark can be "Original Lakeside" then Morris can be "Morris Day and The Time".

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You can't 'own' a word. you can only trademark it for specific uses and purposes. It's up to a judge if another use infringes or not. There can be other bands with the words "the time" in them but whether or not they can afford to fight off lawsuits is another story.

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Reply #169 posted 03/12/22 5:20pm

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PennyPurple said:

SoulAlive said:

at least Jill Jones is safe.That's her real name smile

You never know....that's why P came up with the symbol.



“The company owns the name Prince and all related music marketed under Prince. I became merely a pawn used to produce more money for Warner Brothers.” He decided, therefore, to ensure that the point really stuck, the singer changed his name to a symbol.


Interestingly, the estate has made a recent trademark application for the more basic version of the symbol. They understadably have the one with the 'horn' and 'curl' additions, but they are now after the one which is just the male/female symbols overlapped.

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Reply #170 posted 03/13/22 5:52am

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SquirrelMeat said:

PennyPurple said:

You never know....that's why P came up with the symbol.



“The company owns the name Prince and all related music marketed under Prince. I became merely a pawn used to produce more money for Warner Brothers.” He decided, therefore, to ensure that the point really stuck, the singer changed his name to a symbol.


Interestingly, the estate has made a recent trademark application for the more basic version of the symbol. They understadably have the one with the 'horn' and 'curl' additions, but they are now after the one which is just the male/female symbols overlapped.


I wonder if, by extension, they'll get to own the symbols for Mars and Venus too? Because that's what that symbol is:

large-set-of-planet-and-constellations-signs-on-white-vector-id516925408?k=20&m=516925408&s=612x612&w=0&h=MWOAYYwTFHI5OvygZ8BQdvODQq1G0gymMpkBpYr3JRg=


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Reply #171 posted 03/13/22 9:57am

SolaceAHA

lavendardrummachine said:

SolaceAHA said:

The funny thing is that THE REVOLUTION did most of their touring after his death which was after the estate had the trademark so there has to be some sort of $$$ deal here


They might have just done it.

There was also a mutual need for tribute shows, so I think there was a period before the Estate were really thinking about enforcing trademarks.

Wendy and Lisa are pretty business savvy, so there might be more to the story how that one went down, but they annonced reuniting pretty quickl and unless Bobby had a back up or could crank up Fairlight disks, the samples at tribute shows seemed to have cooperation and access to originals that weren't used live in a long time even by Prince.

It does seem interesting that I never heard the Revolution or NPG have any issues with this, and they toured more than any. The Revolution prior to COVID were touring like crazy and the same for the NPG and now the NPG is at it again, and at one time I do recall the NPG talking new music and I dont remember for sure, the show I last saw them at here in NYC at Sony Hall, I think they played what was a newly recorded song. It would be interesting to see if either were to try or to release music under those names.

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Reply #172 posted 03/13/22 2:29pm

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SolaceAHA said:

lavendardrummachine said:


They might have just done it.

There was also a mutual need for tribute shows, so I think there was a period before the Estate were really thinking about enforcing trademarks.

Wendy and Lisa are pretty business savvy, so there might be more to the story how that one went down, but they annonced reuniting pretty quickl and unless Bobby had a back up or could crank up Fairlight disks, the samples at tribute shows seemed to have cooperation and access to originals that weren't used live in a long time even by Prince.

It does seem interesting that I never heard the Revolution or NPG have any issues with this, and they toured more than any. The Revolution prior to COVID were touring like crazy and the same for the NPG and now the NPG is at it again, and at one time I do recall the NPG talking new music and I dont remember for sure, the show I last saw them at here in NYC at Sony Hall, I think they played what was a newly recorded song. It would be interesting to see if either were to try or to release music under those names.


Revolution are also talking about new music, and Wendy has mentoned the question of continuing on under the same name as one of the big issues they're wrestling with. She made it sound more like it was an ethical question though.

I can see why some money bags advisor for the Estate would eventually think there was a grace period but they should own these bands and when they perform it should be Prince money making stuff. Prince let them do that reunion while he was alive though. They also knew to ask. It's a weird situation.

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Reply #173 posted 03/13/22 7:54pm

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SoulAlive said:

Earlier in this thread,I suggested that Morris simply bill the shows as "Morris Day" and it looks like he's doing exactly that eek but this is actually a smart move.The estate can't come after him.That's his birth name.The audiences will still show up.They know that "Morris Day" means "The Time" and that they will still hear those songs.

"The Time"(whom is the original members Jimmy,Terry,Jesse,Jellybean & Monte) IS NOT the band that Morris has been touring with anyway. So why use that name in the first place?

This is the BEST option.

"That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when eye was doing the Purple Rain tour eye had a lot of people who eye knew eye'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream."prince
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Reply #174 posted 03/13/22 8:03pm

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Vannormal said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

"The Revolution are allowed to use that name to tour,"

After a licensing fee is paid. I know they sold some "The Revolution"(whom I attended a few of their shows) merchandise @ the venues.

True, as I come to think of it, cause I attended their shows as well over here in Europe.

Thanks for acknowledging what I said FIRST! Instead of just mentioning it like someone else did after I said it.

disbelief

"That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when eye was doing the Purple Rain tour eye had a lot of people who eye knew eye'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream."prince
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Reply #175 posted 03/14/22 7:24am

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

"The Time"(whom is the original members Jimmy,Terry,Jesse,Jellybean & Monte) IS NOT the band that Morris has been touring with anyway. So why use that name in the first place?

I guess The Temptations & Fleetwood Mac didn't get that memo. lol Because each group have had over 20 different members since they started in the 1960s. Before some of the former members passed, at one time there were at least 5 different Temptations groups touring. The one with Otis Williams was the official Temptations, which are still performing now. There's a lot of classic rock & oldies groups still performing that have 1 or 2 original members or none at all, like The Platters. I think Mötley Crüe has a contract that states only the original 4 members can tour under that name today. So I guess fans of John Corabi & Samantha Maloney won't get to see that lineup. razz

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Reply #176 posted 03/14/22 7:50am

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MickyDolenz said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

"The Time"(whom is the original members Jimmy,Terry,Jesse,Jellybean & Monte) IS NOT the band that Morris has been touring with anyway. So why use that name in the first place?

I guess The Temptations & Fleetwood Mac didn't get that memo. lol Because each group have had over 20 different members since they started in the 1960s. Before some of the former members passed, at one time there were at least 5 different Temptations groups touring. The one with Otis Williams was the official Temptations, which are still performing now. There's a lot of classic rock & oldies groups still performing that have 1 or 2 original members or none at all, like The Platters. I think Mötley Crüe has a contract that states only the original 4 members can tour under that name today. So I guess fans of John Corabi & Samantha Maloney won't get to see that lineup. razz

rolleyes

They will NEVER be "The Time" only with Jimmy,Terry,Jesse,Jellybean & Monte & of course Morris.

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"That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when eye was doing the Purple Rain tour eye had a lot of people who eye knew eye'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream."prince
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Reply #177 posted 03/14/22 8:47am

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

rolleyes

They will NEVER be "The Time" only with Jimmy, Terry, Jesse, Jellybean & Monte & of course Morris.

They must be like John Cena in this picture. lol


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Reply #178 posted 03/14/22 1:21pm

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eyewishuheaven said:

SquirrelMeat said:


Interestingly, the estate has made a recent trademark application for the more basic version of the symbol. They understadably have the one with the 'horn' and 'curl' additions, but they are now after the one which is just the male/female symbols overlapped.


I wonder if, by extension, they'll get to own the symbols for Mars and Venus too? Because that's what that symbol is:

large-set-of-planet-and-constellations-signs-on-white-vector-id516925408?k=20&m=516925408&s=612x612&w=0&h=MWOAYYwTFHI5OvygZ8BQdvODQq1G0gymMpkBpYr3JRg=


[Edited 3/13/22 5:53am]

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Reply #179 posted 03/15/22 6:18pm

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Mumio said:

GaryMF said:

From a legal trademark perspective, "Morris Day and the Time" is not the same as "The Time"

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It's over-reach.

He can't use "The Time" as part of his band name in any fashion.


Say who?

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