cloveringold85 said:

endiadj said:

How did he have the time and energy for all that he did? Juggling a dozen women, studio time, reversals, touring, etc., all at the same time?! Incredible! Nothing against the women involved or Prince. They all knew the deal and were free to leave if they wanted.

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Prince never really had a traditional relationship with anyone. He had no time for that. Well, up until the time he married Mayte, but even then, it wasn't a traditional relationship/marriage either.

right i think they were "come along with me" relationships. the bit in Maytes's book when

she doesn't want to go to the basketball game and he says "do you know how many women

would exhaust themselves to be with me" that line right there sets me personally on fire, my head

would fly off!!!!!!

CherryMoon57 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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These women were okay with it because they wanted to be with Prince. Some women don't think twice about throwing themselves at a man, just to get what they want, whatever that may be (sex, money, lifestyle, jewelry, fame, etc). I guess you could say they were groupies. It's very common for rock stars to sleep with many women when they are on the road. I read some wild stories about what some of them did....just crazy!! Look at Sharon Osbourne, for instance -- she put up with Ozzy's cheating ways; she knew he was doing it.

This might have been the case for some of them, but Jill was not just a groupie though, she was already in the show business when she met Prince, well before his international fame and she made it clear that she was not in awe of him when they first met. There was obviously more to being with Prince than what we can perceive from the outside, not just romantically, on an artistic level as well, at least to start with... But once she knew the relationship had deteriorated, she did not hang about. I think she's got her head on her shoulders and (the odd rant aside) doesn't sound bitter about the past at all.

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I didn't mean to imply that Jill was a groupie. I see what you are saying, and I agree. She probably saw all past the rock star status, fame and smoke and mirrors, but some women don't care if they get used.

purplefam99 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Prince never really had a traditional relationship with anyone. He had no time for that. Well, up until the time he married Mayte, but even then, it wasn't a traditional relationship/marriage either.

right i think they were "come along with me" relationships. the bit in Maytes's book when

she doesn't want to go to the basketball game and he says "do you know how many women

would exhaust themselves to be with me" that line right there sets me personally on fire, my head

would fly off!!!!!!

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Yes. Come along for the ride, if you are willing. I don't think I could handle anyone saying that to me--that's too much pressure on a girl, even if your name is Prince! I'm the kind of person who puts my foot down when I feel I'm being mistreated, so that would not gel too good with me, LOL

cloveringold85 said:

I think being with him as a partner would feel a bit like being on Survivor. With
Challenges meant to test stamina, wits and deprivation. I am glad that most all
Speak fondly of him in the romantic sense. But gheez, I wouldn’t exhaust myself.

PennyPurple said:

Gosh penny I don’t know, I am guessing that somehow he fulfilled their
Love language. Which would be gifts and physical touch, those seems to be what
He gave most. I’m guessing. Maybe words of affromation????
Somehow he spoke their love language and I’m guessing physical touch was common for most of his women. Still guessing.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

The Revolution had NOTHING to do with Jills relationship with Prince nor her follow -up album or career.

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Susannah Melvoin does not equal the Revolution. Technically during that period, she was still with the Family.
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But Jill was seeing Prince at the same time of Sheila E, and Devin. So even that cannot be put on Susannah. Not to mention Susannah left Prince Decemeber 1986. He got engaged to Sheila E during the SOTT period and she was living with him. So do we blame Sheila E now? or do wie blame Jills current friend Anna Garcia ie Anna Fantastic, or who about the EuroAsian woman Cat said Prince started seeing in 1987 who is at the beginning of the SOTT movie? or maybe actress Troy Breyer?

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Let's go further back before Susannah... Vanity. Did Jill get in the way of Vanity's relationship with Prince. In the song Samuelle(1984) which is about Prince she refers to Marilyn who is Jill Jones

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Samuelle,do you belong to Marilyn?
I know she could never love your heart like me
I'm quite sure we belong together
Oh Samuelle,you cannot tell a lie
it echoes across the moon and the sky

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or was Vanity in Jills way? Didn't Prince have Vanity & Jill living in his house at the same time for a period?
Jill recently 'playfully?' lamented that why couldn't it be her who filled Vanity's spot in Purple Rain.

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Ok seriously in 1987 Jill and Prince were still 'intimately' connected? Even though he was engaged to Sheila E and moved her in his home [just like he did with Susannah in 1986]

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or maybe again Anna Fantastic 1988-89 or maybe it was Madonna or Robin Power or maybe Elisa Fiorillo (he did have JJ lip sync to Elisa's vocals in the movie and he had a little fling with her too) or maybe Mayte 1991 and Carmen Electra since he focused on Carmens career and derailed JJ's 2nd album of music

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Jill Jones' role in the Graffiti Bridge movie was originally much larger than what she ended up playing. Kim Basinger was intended as the original lead in the movie, but when she and Prince parted company shortly before filming began, Prince simply combined Kim's and Jill's parts together and gave them to Ingred Chavez. Jill was then given a much smaller role as Prince's girlfriend.

While flying to Minneapolis to film the movie, Jill read the revamped script and began to tear it up and started to throw pages all around the cabin. Jill retired to the bathroom while her PA had to walk around the plane asking fellow passengers for pages of the script back.

Jill later said that if she had not been on the plane already she would have turned right round and returned home.

Jill did turn up in Minneapolis but she refused to talk to Prince on the set of Graffiti Bridge. In fact she refused to communicate with anyone except in French. Prince got upset and told Jill "If you don't smile and act better round here, then this is your replacement," and then showed Jill a photograph. Jill replied "Oh, an old girlfriend?" She stayed to complete the film but her relationship with Prince was never the same.

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the Revolution had nothing to do with Jills relationship with Prince nor her follow-up album(which was 1988 -1990 period) nor her career.

Long post that tells us nothing. Listen to Jill's interview. Susan and Wendy knew Jill was still seeing Prince while he was engaged to Susannah and Wendy has actually mentioned his running around in other interviews. That was her sister if you think she did not give a hang about his behavior you are delusional. She in as much called him a manwhore. Why would she comment on his sex life if his running around on her sister did not bother her.

From the point of view of female I could see how Jill would not be her favorite person? Then you have Bitchy Mark who seems to have been jelous of any women Prince took shopping well Prince put Jill up in a New York apartment so maybe he is mad that he did not get an apartment. He is a bitchy man so who the hell knows.

I think they all have beefs from years ago and at least Jill is honest about her beefs and not living in a state of delusion. She even admits how angry she was for being hidden away and treated like a side piece in New York. She said that was the beginning of the end of their relationship.

He flew her in to Nice to see him right afte he flew Susannah out and Alan Leeds said he flew Sheila E in later on. Devin said he called her numorous times to try and get her to visit because he was bored and wanted to spend sometime with her. He was like a greedy child left loose at the Slurpee machine. Listen to the damm interview.

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My post says everything

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'the running around' is not about Jill.

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the BrownMark comment ... whatever lol

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You are the one who brought up Prince having sex with her in bathrooms. If that is how Jill allowed herself to be in connection to Prince, instead of letting him know she wanted more. Like some others, than the other ladies cannot be at fault for that. The others wanted more, and then when it didn't work out they moved on. That happens in life.

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I've heard all the interviews. Same BS from over 30+ years ago. Jill Jones in a married woman. If she is still bothered by other women who had relationship with Prince over 30+yrs ago, then that is something JJ needs to deal with. Wasn't JJ still chiming in on Mayte & Prince? Why? Prince married Mayte a few years after he cut her off.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

Every single woman that you mentioned above, knew that Prince had side pieces. Jill knew what she was getting into. Just like when Prince suggested to Jill that she would be his side piece when he was engaged to be married to Susannah. Jill went along with it, what type of person does that make Jill?

Makes her a side piece which she was when he brought her to Minnie from California. He had Kim Upshur in his house when Jill arrived.

He had Jill in his house when Vanity arrived. He had muliple side pieces and later mistresses.

So why should she be upset with Susannah? That is her situation with Prince. If she is upset because Susannah moved in as a main woman, then was she angry with Vanity, when Vanity also moved in as the main woman? And then Sheila E? hmmm Sheila E & Susannah Melvoin don't have any issues. And have performed together since CoEd and at other side shows as well as joint Sheila E/FDeluxe shows.

lastdecember said:

I like JILL and all but again she does run her mouth a lot. There is a lot of bad blood it seems and people getting there due with who did what who played on this, and the TRUTH is it really is PRINCE's fault. He created this with keeping things so secretive during those years, and notice how there really is no bad blood in later years when his music was not popular and selling, I mean is there a feud between Hannah Welton and Morris Hayes going on? NOPE there is a lot of love from later PRINCE members and bad blood and I did this and that and I want my due etc....from the 80's players.

Yes!!

laurarichardson said:

lastdecember said:

I like JILL and all but again she does run her mouth a lot. There is a lot of bad blood it seems and people getting there due with who did what who played on this, and the TRUTH is it really is PRINCE's fault. He created this with keeping things so secretive during those years, and notice how there really is no bad blood in later years when his music was not popular and selling, I mean is there a feud between Hannah Welton and Morris Hayes going on? NOPE there is a lot of love from later PRINCE members and bad blood and I did this and that and I want my due etc....from the 80's players.

She has a right to have her say and if her talking ever bothered Prince well he should have treated her better or just been honest that he was never going to comit himself to just her. Althought for all we know he did tell her and she did not want to hear it. I meant he was making it clear when he put her in New York that she was going to be his mistress since he was planning on marrying Susannah.

So she knew where she stood with him.

YEP!!

And this is why I say all this anguish and vitrol being directed at the Revolution, Mayte etc is about her relationship with Prince, not these other people.

lastdecember said:

laurarichardson said:

She has a right to have her say and if her talking ever bothered Prince well he should have treated her better or just been honest that he was never going to comit himself to just her. Althought for all we know he did tell her and she did not want to hear it. I meant he was making it clear when he put her in New York that she was going to be his mistress since he was planning on marrying Susannah.

So she knew where she stood with him.

Well like i said 80's PRINCE is far different than the Prince after becoming a JW, to be straight and honest I don't think PRINCE though had women around him, Judith, Andy etc..those last years, had any form of relation with them other then them being next to him and creating with him. I think sex was over for the man. As for the music side of things, in the 80's is where the bad blood is, mainly because of the circle he had, i dont doubt he did 95% of the work and the other 5% is what the rest are fighting over.

I don't even think it is about who did what, as much as her career was left in such as why that she doesn't have a clear avenue to express it musically. The Time can jam, Sheila E/Eddie M and band can jam, the Family/FDeluxe can jam, the Revolution can jam, the NPG(s) can jam. Jill Jones technically cannot, and I think that restricted expression, and getting upset because she wasn't a part of the Sept 2016 shows is part of the upset.

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The credit stuff again isn't on Susan Rogers, the Revolution etc some people still think the Revolution had a hand in the PR Deluxe and they did not.
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JJ name wasn't added to We Can Fuck. People blame/attacked Lisa Coleman as if she was involved in the crediting. If Lisa Coleman was involved she would have definately not left her brother David Coleman off the credits on that song.

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Cat also go a lil upset that she wasn't on the BET tribute with Sheila E.

laurarichardson said:

lastdecember said:

Well like i said 80's PRINCE is far different than the Prince after becoming a JW, to be straight and honest I don't think PRINCE though had women around him, Judith, Andy etc..those last years, had any form of relation with them other then them being next to him and creating with him. I think sex was over for the man. As for the music side of things, in the 80's is where the bad blood is, mainly because of the circle he had, i dont doubt he did 95% of the work and the other 5% is what the rest are fighting over.

What would make you think sex was over for him? I saw no indication of that. Judith described herself as his girlfriend and she said she came up to Paisley Park every two weeks to see him. I do not think they were knitting. Tamaron said he went to therapy after his death. Kandance Springs said he took her out on a date and tried it with her.

We got a looney tune on Facebook posting pics of what she claims is a computer from Paisley Park with porn films purchased on March 8, 2016. If this is true he was interested in sex.

Well a lot of fans went to therapy after his death. Tamron Halls relationship with Prince was probably not sexual.

cloveringold85 said:

PennyPurple said:

I just feel that this is happening with the older ladies, drama all the time. The more recent ones like Andy Allo, never start any drama.

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I actually feel very sad for Jill. She has a lot of anger/resentment towards the Revolution and Prince. she has unsolved issues which are haunting her. She needs to let the silly stuff go and focus on what's more imporant in life. I agree; the older ladies seem to be the most problematic.

I do too. But misdirected grief/sadness/anger/confusion just prolongs the grieving process. She has a husband. That 1978-1989 period was hot for a reason lol 30+yrs later it is still electric and no doubt the scene, the people in the purple camp, the energy etc is why 'some' some have issues. Overall when you step back and look at it, 95% of the people from that do not have issues with each other.

OldFriends4Sale said:

lastdecember said:

Well like i said 80's PRINCE is far different than the Prince after becoming a JW, to be straight and honest I don't think PRINCE though had women around him, Judith, Andy etc..those last years, had any form of relation with them other then them being next to him and creating with him. I think sex was over for the man. As for the music side of things, in the 80's is where the bad blood is, mainly because of the circle he had, i dont doubt he did 95% of the work and the other 5% is what the rest are fighting over.

I don't even think it is about who did what, as much as her career was left in such as why that she doesn't have a clear avenue to express it musically. The Time can jam, Sheila E/Eddie M and band can jam, the Family/FDeluxe can jam, the Revolution can jam, the NPG(s) can jam. Jill Jones technically cannot, and I think that restricted expression, and getting upset because she wasn't a part of the Sept 2016 shows is part of the upset.

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The credit stuff again isn't on Susan Rogers, the Revolution etc some people still think the Revolution had a hand in the PR Deluxe and they did not.
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JJ name wasn't added to We Can Fuck. People blame/attacked Lisa Coleman as if she was involved in the crediting. If Lisa Coleman was involved she would have definately not left her brother David Coleman off the credits on that song.

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Cat also go a lil upset that she wasn't on the BET tribute with Sheila E.

Technically, a jam involves a group of people, each of them contributing in their own way to the end result, so obviously on her own Jill won't be able to jam without the rest of them... Doesn't mean she 'can't jam'. I can't visualize any of The Revolution band members jamming on their own either, hence why they stick together... Personally, I think the Rev's sound is currently weak without strong leading vocals. Should they take Jill on board, she would certainly add the much needed spice that's required to make their sound complete. I do love what they did musically with 'All Day, All Night', but the song itself desperately needs a voice.

Besides, what are the actual reasons for their decision not to include her in the September shows?

OldFriends4Sale said:

So why should she be upset with Susannah? That is her situation with Prince. If she is upset because Susannah moved in as a main woman, then was she angry with Vanity, when Vanity also moved in as the main woman? And then Sheila E? hmmm Sheila E & Susannah Melvoin don't have any issues. And have performed together since CoEd and at other side shows as well as joint Sheila E/FDeluxe shows.

Exactly, if anybody should be upset it should be the other ladies who Jill stabbed in the back.

CherryMoon57 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I don't even think it is about who did what, as much as her career was left in such as why that she doesn't have a clear avenue to express it musically. The Time can jam, Sheila E/Eddie M and band can jam, the Family/FDeluxe can jam, the Revolution can jam, the NPG(s) can jam. Jill Jones technically cannot, and I think that restricted expression, and getting upset because she wasn't a part of the Sept 2016 shows is part of the upset.

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The credit stuff again isn't on Susan Rogers, the Revolution etc some people still think the Revolution had a hand in the PR Deluxe and they did not.
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JJ name wasn't added to We Can Fuck. People blame/attacked Lisa Coleman as if she was involved in the crediting. If Lisa Coleman was involved she would have definately not left her brother David Coleman off the credits on that song.

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Cat also go a lil upset that she wasn't on the BET tribute with Sheila E.

Technically, a jam involves a group of people, each of them contributing in their own way to the end result, so obviously on her own Jill won't be able to jam without the rest of them... Doesn't mean she 'can't jam'. I can't visualize any of The Revolution band members jamming on their own either, hence why they stick together... Personally, I think the Rev's sound is currently weak without strong leading vocals. Should they take Jill on board, she would certainly add the much needed spice that's required to make their sound complete. I do love what they did musically with 'All Day, All Night', but the song itself desperately needs a voice.

Besides, what are the actual reasons for their decision not to include her in the September shows?

But that is my point. they are all musicians and have their time together as well as outside of Prince. Which is also why I can understand Cat's 'frustrations' No doubt because of her time with Prince should would have liked to express her appreciation by performing.

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If Jill Jones had her time with a band in the 1980s then it would be a different story. She and the people that we would have known in connection with Jill Jones band in the 1980s would/could have come together and did tributes

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The Revolution bring a charisma to their shows and there is just a lot of love in the building.

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Stokely doing lead on songs is a great addition.

Have you heard the live version from June 7 1984 with Prince lead? I never thought it was a song that required or had a 'blow up' lead vocal on it.

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This is my word from right from the band. Jill was not 'excluded'. The band wanted to get their warm up together again, and did not even know if that would turn into something more. Even after the Sept 2016 shows, some band members were convincing others that they could do more, and others didn't think so. The Sept 2016 were their voice of release. Dez Dickerson was the obvious because he was also the noituloveR and has performed with them on other shows. And even the addition of Apollonia and Brenda. Andre being a big part of the Prince scene from the beginning another obvious. And the leads they chose were people they had worked with and knew directly in more recent times.
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One of the Revolution members told me, after they read what she said that she was burning bridges, that the next step to doing shows would definately have included her. Eric Leeds had performed with them previously too, but not on those shows. Eric wasn't being 'excluded'.

PennyPurple said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

So why should she be upset with Susannah? That is her situation with Prince. If she is upset because Susannah moved in as a main woman, then was she angry with Vanity, when Vanity also moved in as the main woman? And then Sheila E? hmmm Sheila E & Susannah Melvoin don't have any issues. And have performed together since CoEd and at other side shows as well as joint Sheila E/FDeluxe shows.

Exactly, if anybody should be upset it should be the other ladies who Jill stabbed in the back.

lol Vanity did call her and Prince out on her song Samuelle

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So even when it is made out that 'all those ladies agreed to share Prince' like some hippie commune, it isn't true. Vanity clearly had trouble with Prince seeing other women INCLUDING Jill Jones. And Susan Moonsie clearly didn't like it and chose to remove herself sexually/romantically from Prince and be friends, understanding that Prince chose Vanity as his main lady, she decided to be a support for Denise.

Who had first dibs on the P man? Was it Jill, Denise, Susan Moonsie? Susannah came in after they did, right? When did Sheila come into the picture?

I will give you that. Jill has some issues and can be hypocritical . But I don't think it means she can't have a reasonable opinion about how his legacy is being handled. Its seems like people assume that Jill can't chew gum and talk at the same time. The personal and professional do overlap sometimes. But I too thought that "cherry-picking" Prince's overall legacy for self-benefit during supposed tributes was wrong (at least appeared that way) and I never got cheated on, or cheated with him or felt short-changed where credits were concerned.

OldFriends4Sale said:

PennyPurple said:

Exactly, if anybody should be upset it should be the other ladies who Jill stabbed in the back.

lol Vanity did call her and Prince out on her song Samuelle

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So even when it is made out that 'all those ladies agreed to share Prince' like some hippie commune, it isn't true. Vanity clearly had trouble with Prince seeing other women INCLUDING Jill Jones. And Susan Moonsie clearly didn't like it and chose to remove herself sexually/romantically from Prince and be friends, understanding that Prince chose Vanity as his main lady, she decided to be a support for Denise.

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endiadj said:

Who had first dibs on the P man? Was it Jill, Denise, Susan Moonsie? Susannah came in after they did, right? When did Sheila come into the picture?

within the camp

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Susan Moonsie was 'friend/lover' with Prince 1979/80

Prince met Jill Jones on the Fire It Up tour, but it wasn't until somewhere in Controversy period that she had Prince connected.

Prince (along with Andre Cymone) were persuing Sheila E around 1980(?) but nothing came of that until 1983. Sheila E said she say there were too many women around Prince and had to pull away from the 'romantic' side, she picked back up with Prince in 1987 which is when he asked her to marry him

Vanity came along also in 1981 during the Controversy period when he was trying to form the Hookers and the 2nd Coming movie project

Susannah Melvoin came in in the latter half of 1983

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He met Devin somewhere during the PR tour

He met Anna Fantastic at the end of the SOTT tour

I'm not saying she cannot have a reasonable opinion about how his legacy is handled.

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But she still has to express herself in a business manner. Not cussing folk out on twitter and FB pages, attacking the family/estate/PP isn't going to get you anywhere.

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I still think because the way things went a fear of not being 'known' as a part of the legacy might be more the issue with JJ.

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I mean the fans-hardcore fans get it. We know who she is. It is also why I was 100% team Sheila E when she did her tribute because of that time with Prince and being told she wasn't 'relevant' in that Billboards setting(in part they were correct) but in the other part so wrong. I would have rather Morris Day lead the Revolution during that tribute where Bruno Mars performed.

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If you read those interview quotes I put up by Jill, she clearly was not settled as far as her history with Prince was concerned. She said those 10 yrs were WASTED, that she did not think fondly of those years. Clearly still confused and hurt of what happened with Prince.

purplerabbithole said:

I will give you that. Jill has some issues and can be hypocritical . But I don't think it means she can't have a reasonable opinion about how his legacy is being handled. Its seems like people assume that Jill can't chew gum and talk at the same time. The personal and professional do overlap sometimes. But I too thought that "cherry-picking" Prince's overall legacy for self-benefit during supposed tributes was wrong (at least appeared that way) and I never got cheated on, or cheated with him or felt short-changed where credits were concerned.

OldFriends4Sale said:

lol Vanity did call her and Prince out on her song Samuelle

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So even when it is made out that 'all those ladies agreed to share Prince' like some hippie commune, it isn't true. Vanity clearly had trouble with Prince seeing other women INCLUDING Jill Jones. And Susan Moonsie clearly didn't like it and chose to remove herself sexually/romantically from Prince and be friends, understanding that Prince chose Vanity as his main lady, she decided to be a support for Denise.

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Never said she was not confused or hurt. I read everything you posted just now and have read those interviews. But Jill's respect for P's musical talent is not necessarily something she can't differentiate from her personal hurt. She is of that Revolution era. If it was all about her, she would just align herself with them and state that she is one of the chosen few who helped him reach the heights he did in the 80's. She is burning bridges with the very people who could help bring her attention and acclaim. She wants to work with them but then again she doesn't. Is it possible it is not just about her career disappointments but also about protecting his legacy by not getting involved unless it sits right with her. Of course, the whole Susannah Melvoin stuff has got to be weird emotionally speaking, but other women in his "complex social circle" have put their careers first and bit their lips. (Manuela and mayte have a complex relationship to say the least but they pulled it together to do a tribute.)

OldFriends4Sale said:

I'm not saying she cannot have a reasonable opinion about how his legacy is handled.

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But she still has to express herself in a business manner. Not cussing folk out on twitter and FB pages, attacking the family/estate/PP isn't going to get you anywhere.

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I still think because the way things went a fear of not being 'known' as a part of the legacy might be more the issue with JJ.

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I mean the fans-hardcore fans get it. We know who she is. It is also why I was 100% team Sheila E when she did her tribute because of that time with Prince and being told she wasn't 'relevant' in that Billboards setting(in part they were correct) but in the other part so wrong. I would have rather Morris Day lead the Revolution during that tribute where Bruno Mars performed.

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If you read those interview quotes I put up by Jill, she clearly was not settled as far as her history with Prince was concerned. She said those 10 yrs were WASTED, that she did not think fondly of those years. Clearly still confused and hurt of what happened with Prince.

purplerabbithole said:

I will give you that. Jill has some issues and can be hypocritical . But I don't think it means she can't have a reasonable opinion about how his legacy is being handled. Its seems like people assume that Jill can't chew gum and talk at the same time. The personal and professional do overlap sometimes. But I too thought that "cherry-picking" Prince's overall legacy for self-benefit during supposed tributes was wrong (at least appeared that way) and I never got cheated on, or cheated with him or felt short-changed where credits were concerned.

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I get it. I think the fans are in the same boat. I feel the same when talking with people who think they know Prince's legacy. I remember the day he passed there were coworkers saying very respectful things about him. But the thing that everyone says is 'he could play so many instruments and this and that' but when I talk to them about Prince, they don't know what WE fans know. So even as a fan my personal adoration for Prince is all mixed up with his musical talent and legacy. But ya still have to go about things in a way that 'respects' that legacy. Because prior to that she called that period of the legacy WASTED.

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if she is still confused and hurt about her time with Prince then and how things went, then it is highly plausible that it affected her when she heard the Revolution was doing a tribute show at First Avenue in 2016. She had nothing to say when they did in 2012.

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I don't understand her issues with Susannah to be honest. Susannah didn't play the game the way JJ wanted her too, or the way she 'thought' she was with Vanity and Susan Moonsie? So as a result she thinks Susannah's relationship affected her relationship with Prince? But what about after Susannah & Prince broke up? Jill was still there, even though she was going in a very different direction from Prince, even she said in the interview. So why not be mad with Sheila E too. Why of all people be mad with Susannah 30+yrs later. Prince got married twice, Susannah was married w/kids for 10+yrs Vanity got married twice, JJ got married and is still married. Why have issues with a women about a man from 30+yrs ago

purplerabbithole said:

Never said she was not confused or hurt. I read everything you posted just now and have read those interviews. But Jill's respect for P's musical talent is not necessarily something she can't differentiate from her personal hurt. She is of that Revolution era. If it was all about her, she would just align herself with them and state that she is one of the chosen few who helped him reach the heights he did in the 80's. She is burning bridges with the very people who could help bring her attention and acclaim. She wants to work with them but then again she doesn't. Is it possible it is not just about her career disappointments but also about protecting his legacy by not getting involved unless it sits right with her. Of course, the whole Susannah Melvoin stuff has got to be weird emotionally speaking, but other women in his "complex social circle" have put their careers first and bit their lips. (Manuela and mayte have a complex relationship to say the least but they pulled it together to do a tribute.)

OldFriends4Sale said:

I'm not saying she cannot have a reasonable opinion about how his legacy is handled.

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But she still has to express herself in a business manner. Not cussing folk out on twitter and FB pages, attacking the family/estate/PP isn't going to get you anywhere.

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I still think because the way things went a fear of not being 'known' as a part of the legacy might be more the issue with JJ.

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I mean the fans-hardcore fans get it. We know who she is. It is also why I was 100% team Sheila E when she did her tribute because of that time with Prince and being told she wasn't 'relevant' in that Billboards setting(in part they were correct) but in the other part so wrong. I would have rather Morris Day lead the Revolution during that tribute where Bruno Mars performed.

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If you read those interview quotes I put up by Jill, she clearly was not settled as far as her history with Prince was concerned. She said those 10 yrs were WASTED, that she did not think fondly of those years. Clearly still confused and hurt of what happened with Prince.

OldFriends4Sale said:

endiadj said:

Who had first dibs on the P man? Was it Jill, Denise, Susan Moonsie? Susannah came in after they did, right? When did Sheila come into the picture?

within the camp

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Susan Moonsie was 'friend/lover' with Prince 1979/80

Prince met Jill Jones on the Fire It Up tour, but it wasn't until somewhere in Controversy period that she had Prince connected.

Prince (along with Andre Cymone) were persuing Sheila E around 1980(?) but nothing came of that until 1983. Sheila E said she say there were too many women around Prince and had to pull away from the 'romantic' side, she picked back up with Prince in 1987 which is when he asked her to marry him

Vanity came along also in 1981 during the Controversy period when he was trying to form the Hookers and the 2nd Coming movie project

Susannah Melvoin came in in the latter half of 1983

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He met Devin somewhere during the PR tour

He met Anna Fantastic at the end of the SOTT tour

Sheila E hooked up with Prince romance wise in the middle of the PR tour not in 87.

She discusses this in her book.

Kim Upshur would have been before Jill and Jill actually met Kim when she came to live in Prince's house. This is when she found out she was going to be the number two women.

I was assuming she meant "wasted" because it didn't work out for HER and the relationship ended. I don't think she was talking about HIS legacy.

What did she say personally against susannah? I mean "Personally"..not choices Susannah might have made after Prince died.

OldFriends4Sale said:

I get it. I think the fans are in the same boat. I feel the same when talking with people who think they know Prince's legacy. I remember the day he passed there were coworkers saying very respectful things about him. But the thing that everyone says is 'he could play so many instruments and this and that' but when I talk to them about Prince, they don't know what WE fans know. So even as a fan my personal adoration for Prince is all mixed up with his musical talent and legacy. But ya still have to go about things in a way that 'respects' that legacy. Because prior to that she called that period of the legacy WASTED.

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if she is still confused and hurt about her time with Prince then and how things went, then it is highly plausible that it affected her when she heard the Revolution was doing a tribute show at First Avenue in 2016. She had nothing to say when they did in 2012.

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I don't understand her issues with Susannah to be honest. Susannah didn't play the game the way JJ wanted her too, or the way she 'thought' she was with Vanity and Susan Moonsie? So as a result she thinks Susannah's relationship affected her relationship with Prince? But what about after Susannah & Prince broke up? Jill was still there, even though she was going in a very different direction from Prince, even she said in the interview. So why not be mad with Sheila E too. Why of all people be mad with Susannah 30+yrs later. Prince got married twice, Susannah was married w/kids for 10+yrs Vanity got married twice, JJ got married and is still married. Why have issues with a women about a man from 30+yrs ago

purplerabbithole said:

Never said she was not confused or hurt. I read everything you posted just now and have read those interviews. But Jill's respect for P's musical talent is not necessarily something she can't differentiate from her personal hurt. She is of that Revolution era. If it was all about her, she would just align herself with them and state that she is one of the chosen few who helped him reach the heights he did in the 80's. She is burning bridges with the very people who could help bring her attention and acclaim. She wants to work with them but then again she doesn't. Is it possible it is not just about her career disappointments but also about protecting his legacy by not getting involved unless it sits right with her. Of course, the whole Susannah Melvoin stuff has got to be weird emotionally speaking, but other women in his "complex social circle" have put their careers first and bit their lips. (Manuela and mayte have a complex relationship to say the least but they pulled it together to do a tribute.)

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

within the camp

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Susan Moonsie was 'friend/lover' with Prince 1979/80

Prince met Jill Jones on the Fire It Up tour, but it wasn't until somewhere in Controversy period that she had Prince connected.

Prince (along with Andre Cymone) were persuing Sheila E around 1980(?) but nothing came of that until 1983. Sheila E said she say there were too many women around Prince and had to pull away from the 'romantic' side, she picked back up with Prince in 1987 which is when he asked her to marry him

Vanity came along also in 1981 during the Controversy period when he was trying to form the Hookers and the 2nd Coming movie project

Susannah Melvoin came in in the latter half of 1983

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He met Devin somewhere during the PR tour

He met Anna Fantastic at the end of the SOTT tour

Sheila E hooked up with Prince romance wise in the middle of the PR tour not in 87.

She discusses this in her book.

Kim Upshur would have been before Jill and Jill actually met Kim when she came to live in Prince's house. This is when she found out she was going to be the number two women.

I said Sheila E's romance with Prince started in 1983, but then she herself, said she had to back off after seeing how many women were actually coming and going with Prince, and that it picked up again in 1987 where he asked her to marry her.

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Yes, Kim before Jill, But I don't remember when she actually met Prince. I only included people in that first part that were the entertainers.

As you said, the friendship and musica she most likely have connected.

She said she at least got a song out of it:Mia Bocca

Not HIS legacy, but her place in that legacy for sure.

purplerabbithole said:

I was assuming she meant "wasted" because it didn't work out for HER and the relationship ended. I don't think she was talking about HIS legacy.

What did she say personally against susannah? I mean "Personally"..not choices Susannah might have made after Prince died.

OldFriends4Sale said:

I get it. I think the fans are in the same boat. I feel the same when talking with people who think they know Prince's legacy. I remember the day he passed there were coworkers saying very respectful things about him. But the thing that everyone says is 'he could play so many instruments and this and that' but when I talk to them about Prince, they don't know what WE fans know. So even as a fan my personal adoration for Prince is all mixed up with his musical talent and legacy. But ya still have to go about things in a way that 'respects' that legacy. Because prior to that she called that period of the legacy WASTED.

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if she is still confused and hurt about her time with Prince then and how things went, then it is highly plausible that it affected her when she heard the Revolution was doing a tribute show at First Avenue in 2016. She had nothing to say when they did in 2012.

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I don't understand her issues with Susannah to be honest. Susannah didn't play the game the way JJ wanted her too, or the way she 'thought' she was with Vanity and Susan Moonsie? So as a result she thinks Susannah's relationship affected her relationship with Prince? But what about after Susannah & Prince broke up? Jill was still there, even though she was going in a very different direction from Prince, even she said in the interview. So why not be mad with Sheila E too. Why of all people be mad with Susannah 30+yrs later. Prince got married twice, Susannah was married w/kids for 10+yrs Vanity got married twice, JJ got married and is still married. Why have issues with a women about a man from 30+yrs ago

Well this is all so tiring. JJ should talk to the people that matter. Work it out, grieve, move forward. Life is way to short. Regrets.

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I signed her petition to the Estate for any future reissues(PR Deluxe) include updated info on the credits

What i think is a sad shame is that at the Celebration at PP last April, when

the Revolution performed Susannah was on stage performing with them. I think Jill

should have been up there too. IMO

purplefam99 said:

What i think is a sad shame is that at the Celebration at PP last April, when

the Revolution performed Susannah was on stage performing with them. I think Jill

should have been up there too. IMO

At that time/point with all that had happened since Sept 2016, it couldn't happen. Why would she want to be up on stage with people she pressumes to dislike?

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I don't think she was invited to the 'Official' tribute put on by the Estate/family either

OldFriends4Sale said:

purplefam99 said:

What i think is a sad shame is that at the Celebration at PP last April, when

the Revolution performed Susannah was on stage performing with them. I think Jill

should have been up there too. IMO

At that time/point with all that had happened since Sept 2016, it couldn't happen. Why would she want to be up on stage with people she pressumes to dislike?

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I don't think she was invited to the 'Official' tribute put on by the Estate/family either

at tributes and celebrations, i think all should be put aside in effort to make the fans have

access to as many people who were near to Prince and the process as possible because ultimately that is what

keeps the legacy going and pays them as well. they should channel the tolerance they had for

each they displayed when prince was alive. they put up with each other varied personalities then.

i saw the revolution perform, i won't necessarily pay to see them again (outside of a group thing like

celebrations) unless they freshen it up with say Dez, Andre, or Jill, heck even Gayle.