purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

At that time/point with all that had happened since Sept 2016, it couldn't happen. Why would she want to be up on stage with people she pressumes to dislike?

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I don't think she was invited to the 'Official' tribute put on by the Estate/family either

i am sure they all have done this before ^^ it could have been managed.

Sad to think that many of the most successful bands on the planet have harbored similar grudges and rivalries: The Rolling Stones, Simon & Garfunkel, The Everly Brothers, Pink Floyd, The Beatles, Gun & Roses, The Kinks, The Beach Boys, Oasis...

I guess with fame comes a lot of pressure and stress...

CherryMoon57 said:

purplefam99 said:

i am sure they all have done this before ^^ it could have been managed.

Sad to think that many of the most successful bands on the planet have harbored similar grudges and rivalries: The Rolling Stones, Simon & Garfunkel, The Everly Brothers, Pink Floyd, The Beatles, Gun & Roses, The Kinks, The Beach Boys, Oasis...

I guess with fame comes a lot of pressure and stress...

and in the end it, they shelved that mess and the fans got what they deserve. it is a two way

relationship fans and bands. they need each other.

CherryMoon57 said:

glamstar01 said:

OF4S,

what bores me about yr comments, the REV can never have done anything wrong in your eyes. It is always the other who made mistakes... Prince, Jill or whoever. Objectivity looks different

U came all the way over here for that?

purplefam99 said:

CherryMoon57 said:

Same here. I agree that it will be hard to match Prince's charisma but like you've already said, I don't think that's what any of them are aiming for... It would still be good for the Revolution to allow some room to grow by integrating a singer of the same caliber as the musicians. And so vocally I think Jill Jones does have that extensive vocal range and Bilal I guess does too. Another one whose musical background and vocal range would fit well within The Revolution and Prince's music is Jose James. Not only does he understand Prince's music well but he was also born in Minneapolis... There are endless possibilities for the future of the band. It's all about strengthening and gradually passing on the legacy, perhaps to younger members. In any case, I am sincerely hoping The Revolution and Jill Jones will reunite again one day. After all, a lot of their songs are about peace and love...


'Everybody’s looking 4 the answers
How the story started and how it will end
What’s the use in half a story, half a dream
U have 2 climb all of the steps in between'

if they are gonna do new material, then they can do whatever they want, if they are gonna do prince

music, they need to find a way to share the stage with Jill. at least from time to time. I still

think it was bad form to have Susannah up on stage performing with the Revolution at the Celebration. it just didn't go, IMO.

I would love to see JJ with them. But they don't need to 'find a way to share the stage with JJ'

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You do know that those 5 people have remained friends over the course of life. It is not like they were not talking or anything prior to April 2016. These people were friends/family. Deaths Births, visiting each others homes etc

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Susannah sang with the band on stage and on songs. I don't see what that problem is. It isn't like she is not 'family'. To compare having JJ or Susannah like it is a competition, I don't get. JJ wasn't hanging out with any of the 5 Revolution members, Sheila E, the Family or the Time.
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Sheila E and Eddie M started performing and recording again in 2011 because they continued a relationship. Same with the Time and the Family members.
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And I still would love to see Jill on stage with the Revolution.

PennyPurple said:

If Brown Mark has JJ blocked, why did he bother to tweet? Why create more drama?

He probably had her blocked after that Sept 2016 show.
If she was trolling his page or sending messages or something, maybe not wanting to read/see any negative comments while going through preperations

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

But they've stated from the start they don't want to fill that space, that no one can 'recall Prince' in that space. And they don't want anyone to try to.

Think about this too. They like Sheila E(60) and Morris Day(60) are not spring chickens. What the future holds idk. I look for them to do songs from the Dream Factory/SOTT albums and other 'unreleased stuff' and options of singing leads they've already shown they are open to many different people. And I hope and suspect their will be shows with the Family, the Time & Sheila E in the future.

Yeah. They could do It's gonna be a beautiful night. I think Fink has a writing credit on that one. Not sure they could pull that off, asmost of what we here on the album was later overdubbs, but they could try.

They could do all of it. What NPG band members had anything to do with Pop Life or any of the 1980-1987 music? Andre is leading stuff from 1981-1995. And he admitted to never listening to another Prince album after he left the band.

I know OF4S, the truth hurt sometime...

OldFriends4Sale said:

PennyPurple said:

If Brown Mark has JJ blocked, why did he bother to tweet? Why create more drama?

He probably had her blocked after that Sept 2016 show.
If she was trolling his page or sending messages or something, maybe not wanting to read/see any negative comments while going through preperations

But if that is the case, then why tweet this crap out last week? He did it for the drama.

purplethunder3121 said:

I'll say it one last time--life's too short for this shit.

OldFriends4Sale said:

paulludvig said:

Yeah. They could do It's gonna be a beautiful night. I think Fink has a writing credit on that one. Not sure they could pull that off, asmost of what we here on the album was later overdubbs, but they could try.

They could do all of it. What NPG band members had anything to do with Pop Life or any of the 1980-1987 music? Andre is leading stuff from 1981-1995. And he admitted to never listening to another Prince album after he left the band.

The NPG played those songs working for Prince.

glamstar01 said:

I know OF4S, the truth hurt sometime...

uh get over yourself whoever U R

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

They could do all of it. What NPG band members had anything to do with Pop Life or any of the 1980-1987 music? Andre is leading stuff from 1981-1995. And he admitted to never listening to another Prince album after he left the band.

The NPG played those songs working for Prince.

but U singled out IGBABN saying the Revolution only had something to do with that song on SOTT

the NPG had nothing to do with Purple Rain or the music from Controversy etc but they play it.

So the Revolution could play song outside of their time period if they choose.

PennyPurple said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

He probably had her blocked after that Sept 2016 show.
If she was trolling his page or sending messages or something, maybe not wanting to read/see any negative comments while going through preperations

But if that is the case, then why tweet this crap out last week? He did it for the drama.

Yep. This is the world we are thrust into

hopefully the people are talking real time off line

OldFriends4Sale said:

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

but U singled out IGBABN saying the Revolution only had something to do with that song on SOTT

the NPG had nothing to do with Purple Rain or the music from Controversy etc but they play it.

So the Revolution could play song outside of their time period if they choose.

The NPG has performed all of the music WITH Prince. The Revolution hasn't.

No they haven't. The NPG was not a part of the Dirty Mind years the 1999 or Purple Rain yrs the Parade yrs or the SOTT yrs. The first NPG group was not a part of the ONA NPG yrs

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Prince wasn't a part of Off the Wall or Control but he did music from those artists.

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And all the musicians/artists who've done tributes to Prince or do his music, so are you saying they have more place to do Purple Music? Paulludvig, your just trying to be controversial.

OldFriends4Sale said:

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said: The NPG has performed all of the music WITH Prince. The Revolution hasn't.

No they haven't. The NPG was not a part of the Dirty Mind years the 1999 or Purple Rain yrs the Parade yrs or the SOTT yrs. The first NPG group was not a part of the ONA NPG yrs

They still performed songs from those years under the leadership of Prince.

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

No they haven't. The NPG was not a part of the Dirty Mind years the 1999 or Purple Rain yrs the Parade yrs or the SOTT yrs. The first NPG group was not a part of the ONA NPG yrs

They still performed songs from those years under the leadership of Prince.

But they had nothing to do with the era. No one goes on and says the NPG or 3rdEyeGirl shouldn't perform the music.

you guys' argument is confusing...LOL.

The Revolution presumably performed songs that came out before their involvement (even though LIsa was involved rather early) under Prince's leadership. NPG performed whatever music they were involved directly in as well as stuff that pre-dated their involvement while under Prince's leadership. The last configuration of NPG probably performed the largest range of Prince songs when P was alive. I just wish people would pay "tribute" in the most genuine way and label what they are doing honestly. The Revolution are paying 'tribute' to their involvement with Prince. Its as much about themselves as it as about Prince.

OldFriends4Sale said:

paulludvig said:

They still performed songs from those years under the leadership of Prince.

But they had nothing to do with the era. No one goes on and says the NPG or 3rdEyeGirl shouldn't perform the music.

purplerabbithole said:

just wish people would pay "tribute" in the most genuine way and label what they are doing honestly. The Revolution are paying 'tribute' to their involvement with Prince. Its as much about themselves as it as about Prince.

who is the judge of this and who is mislabelling a tribute and how so?

history: paulludvig doesn't like the Revolution(even though he posts the most on anything concerning them) and dislikes (Melvoins). The Revolution said they would be adding songs to their shows from the Sign o the Times (Dream Factory) music. Paulludvig is trying to push that 'they had nothing to do with SOTT' outside of It's Gonna Be a Beautiful Night, so shouldn't be doing the music.

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Bobby Z was drumming for Prince 1977 94East Band, Dr Fink was in the band from For You(1978)

purplerabbithole said:

you guys' argument is confusing...LOL.

The Revolution presumably performed songs that came out before their involvement (even though LIsa was involved rather early) under Prince's leadership. NPG performed whatever music they were involved directly in as well as stuff that pre-dated their involvement while under Prince's leadership. The last configuration of NPG probably performed the largest range of Prince songs when P was alive. I just wish people would pay "tribute" in the most genuine way and label what they are doing honestly. The Revolution are paying 'tribute' to their involvement with Prince. Its as much about themselves as it as about Prince.

OldFriends4Sale said:

But they had nothing to do with the era. No one goes on and says the NPG or 3rdEyeGirl shouldn't perform the music.

I'm saying the various bands should stick to songs they actually performed WITH Prince. The NPG would probably have more to choose from as they performed with Prince later in his career.

OldFriends4Sale said:

history: paulludvig doesn't like the Revolution(even though he posts the most on anything concerning them) and dislikes (Melvoins). The Revolution said they would be adding songs to their shows from the Sign o the Times (Dream Factory) music. Paulludvig is trying to push that 'they had nothing to do with SOTT' outside of It's Gonna Be a Beautiful Night, so shouldn't be doing the music.

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Bobby Z was drumming for Prince 1977 94East Band, Dr Fink was in the band from For You(1978)

purplerabbithole said:

you guys' argument is confusing...LOL.

The Revolution presumably performed songs that came out before their involvement (even though LIsa was involved rather early) under Prince's leadership. NPG performed whatever music they were involved directly in as well as stuff that pre-dated their involvement while under Prince's leadership. The last configuration of NPG probably performed the largest range of Prince songs when P was alive. I just wish people would pay "tribute" in the most genuine way and label what they are doing honestly. The Revolution are paying 'tribute' to their involvement with Prince. Its as much about themselves as it as about Prince.

in my opinion, a "tribute" should cover a person's life as much as possible and not a specific period. i say things are mislabeled when they are called tributes to a man with a 40 year career but only cover 10 years or so and specifically songs that are collaborations with the parties involved. I am not sure if the Revolution is saying that what they are doing is a tribute during concerts, but in interviews in the earlier part of the year, they were calling them that.

In all honesty, reuniting the Revolution always sat weird with me due to the quickness of the announcement. I don't know--maybe, if the Revolution did one ultimate "tribute" or appeared at other tributes to Prince that covered more years---and then they reunited as the Revolution doing Prince and the Revolution songs, it wouldn't irk me. But like I have said, only playing songs they were associated with and reminding people of their contributions while avoiding other more comprehensive tributes with non-Revolutions songs (and let's face it, there is no way Prince's most famous band wasn't asked to appear somewhere during tributes...BET tribute? nothing?) seems less about honoring a man's career and more about re-living heydays. I know this makes fans feel better because they were important days in Prince's history and mean a lot to people, but I am disappointed that the Revolution's appreciation of Prince is not a bit more extensive than what he brought out of them. I give them props however for not hiring a prince impersonator (although Bilial comes close IMO) and for not making much profit at what they are doing.

I don't buy that a.) they weren't asked to do other tributes, b.) they stuck to Prince and the Revolution songs because they didn't think they could learn his other music, c.) sticking to the songs they contributed to (which just happen to be some of his most famous and acclaimed) is somehow more humble or honorable.

People know that NPG and the Revolution are bands who worked with Prince-- if they tour, the audiences knows they will sing Prince songs. this does not mean people are actually assuming that Barbarello or Bland helped write Purple Rain. No one makes those assumptions. The Revolution only doing Revolution songs and saying things like "when we wrote this together" while avoiding songs they had nothing to do with is (to me) the opposite of humility. NPG jamming on all things Prince is not taking credit for Prince's music or taking credit away from Wendy and Lisa. Its honoring Prince's past and his music. If one does a tribute to MJ and sings Man in the Mirror, are they taking credit away from the writers of that song (who are not MJ in any way..he did not co-write that song._)

By all means, the Revolution has a right to point out that they contributed, but I wish they would extend their generosity to others he's been involved with and to what he was able to do without them. Its like McCartney doing to tribute to john lennon and leaving out the songs Imagine, Instant Karma, and Jealous Man because they weren't Beatles songs.

jaawwnn said:

purplerabbithole said:

just wish people would pay "tribute" in the most genuine way and label what they are doing honestly. The Revolution are paying 'tribute' to their involvement with Prince. Its as much about themselves as it as about Prince.

who is the judge of this and who is mislabelling a tribute and how so?

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purplerabbithole said:

in my opinion, a "tribute" should cover a person's life as much as possible and not a specific period. i say things are mislabeled when they are called tributes to a man with a 40 year career but only cover 10 years or so and specifically songs that are collaborations with the parties involved. I am not sure if the Revolution is saying that what they are doing is a tribute during concerts, but in interviews in the earlier part of the year, they were calling them that.

In all honesty, reuniting the Revolution always sat weird with me due to the quickness of the announcement. I don't know--maybe, if the Revolution did one ultimate "tribute" or appeared at other tributes to Prince that covered more years---and then they reunited as the Revolution doing Prince and the Revolution songs, it wouldn't irk me. But like I have said, only playing songs they were associated with and reminding people of their contributions while avoiding other more comprehensive tributes with non-Revolutions songs (and let's face it, there is no way Prince's most famous band wasn't asked to appear somewhere during tributes...BET tribute? nothing?) seems less about honoring a man's career and more about re-living heydays. I know this makes fans feel better because they were important days in Prince's history and mean a lot to people, but I am disappointed that the Revolution's appreciation of Prince is not a bit more extensive than what he brought out of them. I give them props however for not hiring a prince impersonator (although Bilial comes close IMO) and for not making much profit at what they are doing.

I don't buy that a.) they weren't asked to do other tributes, b.) they stuck to Prince and the Revolution songs because they didn't think they could learn his other music, c.) sticking to the songs they contributed to (which just happen to be some of his most famous and acclaimed) is somehow more humble or honorable.

People know that NPG and the Revolution are bands who worked with Prince-- if they tour, the audiences knows they will sing Prince songs. this does not mean people are actually assuming that Barbarello or Bland helped write Purple Rain. No one makes those assumptions. The Revolution only doing Revolution songs and saying things like "when we wrote this together" while avoiding songs they had nothing to do with is (to me) the opposite of humility. NPG jamming on all things Prince is not taking credit for Prince's music or taking credit away from Wendy and Lisa. Its honoring Prince's past and his music. If one does a tribute to MJ and sings Man in the Mirror, are they taking credit away from the writers of that song (who are not MJ in any way..he did not co-write that song._)

By all means, the Revolution has a right to point out that they contributed, but I wish they would extend their generosity to others he's been involved with and to what he was able to do without them. Its like McCartney doing to tribute to john lennon and leaving out the songs Imagine, Instant Karma, and Jealous Man because they weren't Beatles songs.

jaawwnn said:

who is the judge of this and who is mislabelling a tribute and how so?

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Rabbit you couldn't have said that better IMO. thanks.

purplerabbithole said:

in my opinion, a "tribute" should cover a person's life as much as possible and not a specific period. i say things are mislabeled when they are called tributes to a man with a 40 year career but only cover 10 years or so and specifically songs that are collaborations with the parties involved. I am not sure if the Revolution is saying that what they are doing is a tribute during concerts, but in interviews in the earlier part of the year, they were calling them that.

In all honesty, reuniting the Revolution always sat weird with me due to the quickness of the announcement. I don't know--maybe, if the Revolution did one ultimate "tribute" or appeared at other tributes to Prince that covered more years---and then they reunited as the Revolution doing Prince and the Revolution songs, it wouldn't irk me. But like I have said, only playing songs they were associated with and reminding people of their contributions while avoiding other more comprehensive tributes with non-Revolutions songs (and let's face it, there is no way Prince's most famous band wasn't asked to appear somewhere during tributes...BET tribute? nothing?) seems less about honoring a man's career and more about re-living heydays. I know this makes fans feel better because they were important days in Prince's history and mean a lot to people, but I am disappointed that the Revolution's appreciation of Prince is not a bit more extensive than what he brought out of them. I give them props however for not hiring a prince impersonator (although Bilial comes close IMO) and for not making much profit at what they are doing.

I don't buy that a.) they weren't asked to do other tributes, b.) they stuck to Prince and the Revolution songs because they didn't think they could learn his other music, c.) sticking to the songs they contributed to (which just happen to be some of his most famous and acclaimed) is somehow more humble or honorable.

People know that NPG and the Revolution are bands who worked with Prince-- if they tour, the audiences knows they will sing Prince songs. this does not mean people are actually assuming that Barbarello or Bland helped write Purple Rain. No one makes those assumptions. The Revolution only doing Revolution songs and saying things like "when we wrote this together" while avoiding songs they had nothing to do with is (to me) the opposite of humility. NPG jamming on all things Prince is not taking credit for Prince's music or taking credit away from Wendy and Lisa. Its honoring Prince's past and his music. If one does a tribute to MJ and sings Man in the Mirror, are they taking credit away from the writers of that song (who are not MJ in any way..he did not co-write that song._)

By all means, the Revolution has a right to point out that they contributed, but I wish they would extend their generosity to others he's been involved with and to what he was able to do without them. Its like McCartney doing to tribute to john lennon and leaving out the songs Imagine, Instant Karma, and Jealous Man because they weren't Beatles songs.

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Uh, did you actually attend any of the Revolution concerts? My take on their shows was exactly the opposite of your opinion. I found the shows uplifting, cathartic, respectful of Prince and their own history with Prince. I respected the fact that the Revolution only wanted to perform songs they were associated with...and that's what the audience wanted to hear. I also am glad that the shows I saw included Stokley Williams as a front man on some songs; he was a man who knew Prince, toured with Prince, and Prince even attended Mint Condition concerts locally. Stokley did not try to imitate Prince but sang the songs his own way...and it fit right in with the concert vibe. I went to two Revolution concerts--one with my son in his city and another here locally. It was a very emotional, sad, and yet vibrant experience for all of us who attended. The memorial event that was much needed at the time. I'm glad I went.

I would prefer the NPG did songs recorded during their time associated with Prince. That way we are not getting another 'HITS' show, but they could do songs never performed live. There are a LOT of songs never performed live, during the various NPG configurations.

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That Wendy & Wendy and Lisa performed with Prince on shows through the Musicology-Planet Earth period, by your account, would mean all those songs could be done with the Revolution...

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Truth be just like any non-associated musican can do any Prince song they want, so can the Revolution or NPG. I still would like songs more specific to the period the band members were connected to. The direction of the band-name and period in connection to the music etc means something to me

paulludvig said:

I'm saying the various bands should stick to songs they actually performed WITH Prince. The NPG would probably have more to choose from as they performed with Prince later in his career.

OldFriends4Sale said:

history: paulludvig doesn't like the Revolution(even though he posts the most on anything concerning them) and dislikes (Melvoins). The Revolution said they would be adding songs to their shows from the Sign o the Times (Dream Factory) music. Paulludvig is trying to push that 'they had nothing to do with SOTT' outside of It's Gonna Be a Beautiful Night, so shouldn't be doing the music.

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Bobby Z was drumming for Prince 1977 94East Band, Dr Fink was in the band from For You(1978)

So NPG should stick to songs they recorded with Prince, but the Rev could play songs they didn't record with him? Why?

OldFriends4Sale said:

I would prefer the NPG did songs recorded during their time associated with Prince. That way we are not getting another 'HITS' show, but they could do songs never performed live. There are a LOT of songs never performed live, during the various NPG configurations.

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That Wendy & Wendy and Lisa performed with Prince on shows through the Musicology-Planet Earth period, by your account, would mean all those songs could be done with the Revolution...

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Truth be just like any non-associated musican can do any Prince song they want, so can the Revolution or NPG. I still would like songs more specific to the period the band members were connected to. The direction of the band-name and period in connection to the music etc means something to me

paulludvig said:

I'm saying the various bands should stick to songs they actually performed WITH Prince. The NPG would probably have more to choose from as they performed with Prince later in his career.

No, read it again kiddo. The NPG (first band) could play everything that was done whether they recorded it, whether it was all Prince or whether it was for say Carmen Electra. There are unreleased songs and songs that were never performed live that would be a treat to hear rendered live.
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Like someone else said early, Emancipation was a 3 cd set, the majority of it was done by Prince, the majority of it was never performed live. The NPG(2nd band) could perform the music from their period onward until the 3rd. And since there is so much from each time period, instead of just playing the HITs, it would be nice to hear other stuff.

paulludvig said:

So NPG should stick to songs they recorded with Prince, but the Rev could play songs they didn't record with him? Why?

OldFriends4Sale said:

I would prefer the NPG did songs recorded during their time associated with Prince. That way we are not getting another 'HITS' show, but they could do songs never performed live. There are a LOT of songs never performed live, during the various NPG configurations.

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That Wendy & Wendy and Lisa performed with Prince on shows through the Musicology-Planet Earth period, by your account, would mean all those songs could be done with the Revolution...

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Truth be just like any non-associated musican can do any Prince song they want, so can the Revolution or NPG. I still would like songs more specific to the period the band members were connected to. The direction of the band-name and period in connection to the music etc means something to me

No doubt it was an emotional experience especially if Prince and the Revolution hold a place in your heart (especially if you hold the Revolution in as much regard as Prince himself) That's fine and certainly understandable. I am not really against their tour as much as irritated that they ONLY want to pay tribute to Prince in that particular way. LIke I said, if they just did one or two tributes that involved non-Revolution associated Prince music as well as, I wouldn't be so weary of their approach. As for playing the hits, Prince and the Revolution songs are not the only hits Prince had and not all of the Prince and Revolution songs these guys played (especially the vault songs they pulled out like "all day, all night" and "Roadhouse Garden") were technically hits. They can play obscure songs not played in years but they can't play "the Most Beautiful Girl in the World"? The NPG is playing songs like "Gett off and Sexy MF and not just Prince and the Revolution songs. The NPG probably sticks to the commercial hits (whether they be Revolution or NPG eras). This is practical (albeit a bit limited) but certainly about honoring a bit more of Prince through the eras. Unfortunately for Prince his biggest hits came from mostly from a particular period. I do think it would be nice if his NPG associates would reach beyond the hits. So here's what I will say. THe NPG should reach beyond the more obvious hits. THe Revolution should reach beyond the 80's. In my opinion, it would be great if during each performance a different member of the Revolution or of NPG could stand up and say "here is a song that isn't particularly known of Prince or here is song from a later period that I have a fondness for". I would love it if these folks wouldn't just exploit nostalgia and mourning but would also maybe educate casual or new fans on the vastness of Prince's music. That, in my opinion, is the best way to honor a career as varied, long and taxing as his was.

purplethunder3121 said:

Uh, did you actually attend any of the Revolution concerts? My take on their shows was exactly the opposite of your opinion. I found the shows uplifting, cathartic, respectful of Prince and their own history with Prince. I respected the fact that the Revolution only wanted to perform songs they were associated with...and that's what the audience wanted to hear. I also am glad that the shows I saw included Stokley Williams as a front man on some songs; he was a man who knew Prince, toured with Prince, and Prince even attended Mint Condition concerts locally. Stokley did not try to imitate Prince but sang the songs his own way...and it fit right in with the concert vibe. I went to two Revolution concerts--one with my son in his city and another here locally. It was a very emotional, sad, and yet vibrant experience for all of us who attended. The memorial event that was much needed at the time. I'm glad I went.

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