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There is absolutely no doubt Larry gained monetarily by his association with P. Larry and his family even lived rent free in a house P owned. Larry saw the Purple Gravy Train and jumped on with glee along with his towel waving wife.
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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said: There is absolutely no doubt Larry gained monetarily by his association with P. Larry and his family even lived rent free in a house P owned. Larry saw the Purple Gravy Train and jumped on with glee along with his towel waving wife.
P did a lot of providing but no one around him got exceedingly wealthier than they were previous. Seemed they were there for the music first. I don’t think Larry or Chaka got more Than they were fairly due in a working situation. I think they performed and got paid for performing. I think P provided a job. But I don’t think they freeloaded, And gained monetarily for doing nothing. Being hired and doing a job is not gravy train to me. If Larry or Chaka were putting out books and such then I might say different but they are not. They worked, maybe Larry wanted free rent to be his payment. Maybe they bartered that way. They probably preferred that to a contract. Seems cool to me. | |
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I never once mentioned Chaka in my post. Not once. Larry, yeah. I did mention Larry. He gained mucho dinero from his association from P. Larry was on the down swing until P picked him up and his towel waving wife. Please prove me otherwise. I am waiting patiently. I will humbly accept defeat if you can prove me wrong. Larry is Scary.
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i added chaka, since they kinda went hand in hand, often. i don't see a huge number of larry hits or albums that were/are popular due to prince. i don't see him with an inordanate amount of wealth. and likewise if i am missing it please point it out. it doesn't seem that giving a person a job to play bass is resurrecting a career. is he headlining anywhere? and selling out shows? so likewise you prove me wrong and i will humbly accept defeat. although i am just trying to hold a conversation here. i am not here to win or defeat anyone through conversation. i can go play hockey for that. i just want to talk, old fashioned like, you tell me your points, i tell you mine, we sip our whiskey/water in between and we both leave the room both feeling good. can we do that? | |
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Most entertainers passed a certain age where not making hit albums in the 2000s. But the touring and live shows is where the continued success and famedom came.
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OldFriends4Sale said:
Most entertainers passed a certain age where not making hit albums in the 2000s. But the touring and live shows is where the continued success and famedom came.
But what do we consider a hit album now? Musicology even if you take out the give always still sold real copies over 1.2 million which now no one sells except TAYLOR swift. But then also factor in debuting at number one with 3121 though the album didn’t stay there no albums really hang around from older artists they debut and fall so is number one a hit album? And even LotusFlower went in high too. Older artists are not going to get new fans the industry is not set up like that now , Prince despite anything he did was not going to get a new song on a top 40station because he was old, this isn’t the 80’s where you could be in your 30’s and 40’s and more and get on regular top40. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: OldFriends4Sale said:
Most entertainers passed a certain age where not making hit albums in the 2000s. But the touring and live shows is where the continued success and famedom came.
But what do we consider a hit album now? Musicology even if you take out the give always still sold real copies over 1.2 million which now no one sells except TAYLOR swift. But then also factor in debuting at number one with 3121 though the album didn’t stay there no albums really hang around from older artists they debut and fall so is number one a hit album? And even LotusFlower went in high too. Older artists are not going to get new fans the industry is not set up like that now , Prince despite anything he did was not going to get a new song on a top 40station because he was old, this isn’t the 80’s where you could be in your 30’s and 40’s and more and get on regular top40. I can agree lastdecember. My feeling is that if there was any career resurrecting going on it was a mutual effort. Each sprucing up each other. Espicially if I am to believe how Prince gushed eternally about them, that he was enamoured with their presence and what they brought to the table. He benefitted from their unwavering soul fan base. And they benefitted with stage time. But again I think his “rent free” option could have been a barter situation and the rest LG Maybe was living off a nice residual check from Sky days. I just don’t think anyone made boocoo with him. Now if one is talking about their personal satisfication from working yes I assume they were personally satisfied. Imo. | |
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FFS There was no mutual career resurrecting.
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Prince had Larry working he was not getting a free ride. Nothing wrong with a younger entertainer reaching back to help someone out. Country artist do this all the time and no one seems to have problem with it.
It appears Prince was very generous to a lot of musicians and singers. He generally seemed to like helping people out as we can see from his charity work and his generousity to his musicians. When he lived well a lot of other people lived well. Larry included. Maybe it made Prince happy to see other people happy. Is this a bad quality. | |
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laurarichardson said:
Prince had Larry working he was not getting a free ride. Nothing wrong with a younger entertainer reaching back to help someone out. Country artist do this all the time and no one seems to have problem with it.
It appears Prince was very generous to a lot of musicians and singers. He generally seemed to like helping people out as we can see from his charity work and his generousity to his musicians. When he lived well a lot of other people lived well. Larry included. Maybe it made Prince happy to see other people happy. Is this a bad quality. Not a bad quality at all. I just don’t think his career was resurrected. I don’t think outside of being on stage with Prince was LG being sought after. I can agree that he helped LG and others and shared his stage generously. But I don’t think LG got richer working with Prince. I think he lived a nice life and His friend helped with that by providing steady work. But to me a career resurrection would mean LG would be Sought after on his own merit. And I just didn’t see that. But I am open to specific examples if I have missed them. | |
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MUTUAL? Seriously
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See, you are making this broader and hard than what it is.
Wasn't it you that initially brought in the 'riding the gravy train' ? when it came to other people?
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IdK what a hit album is now, because I'm not into Music/Artist like that. I like what I like. Same with movies. . Your reply should have gone to Purplefam99, as mine did. She is the one that implies the hits. | |
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OldFriends4Sale said:
See, you are making this broader and hard than what it is.
Wasn't it you that initially brought in the 'riding the gravy train' ? when it came to other people?
It was ISaidLifeIsJustAGame who said Larry got mucho denro Working with Prince. All I have been asking is for specific Example of how he “especially” (as OF4S put it) benefitted. How did he especially benefit? That is all I’m asking or trying To hold a conversation about. Does anyone care to tell me? Not trying to rile anyone. Just looking for specifics cause apparently I missed them. [Edited 1/2/18 18:51pm] | |
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MUTUAL? Seriously
Come on I do believe that is what Prince told us in interviews and how He behaved in their presence. | |
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please do share that info...
if anything, if he did say it, it was out of reverence, but it wasn't mutual. | |
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You've been told. . Prince was the popular artist, not Larry Graham. . Was it Prince that did work helping Larry's album or the other way around. . As we said earlier, album sales by veteran artists can be iffy. Some do continue great sales, some don't, some are iffy. Sometimes it is a song or two that is popular. Prince's record success was never close to his 80s success, but Prince continued as a Pop(ular) Star, and his concerts were mega, successfull and money makers. Larry Graham was not, Larry Graham benefitted from Prince (ie Gravy train comment) not the other way around.
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yes, that is why i don't see the above situation as a career resurrection. Nothing was resurrected to me it stayed the same for larry. he was a working bass player who his boss chose to brag about. but non of it brougt about a career resurrection imo. I don't see working in his band as riding a gravy train. Morris hayes, shelby, liv, et al worked for him and i don't view them as gravy train riders. And Prince fans not liking Larry Graham doesn't entitle them to call him a gravy train rider when he was just working. He may be the very person who held bro nelson together (missing father figure) so that we could have Prince longer. And that may have been how it was mutual. thanks. | |
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you are complicating this so you don't see it.
Who said anything about a career resurrection?
the start of this was the use of GRAVY TRAIN, nothing more, and 5 pages later you are swelling this up more than what it is. GRAVY TRAIN... riding the gravy train
look back to where this started and see how conflated you've made it
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this reply is For OF4S ^^^^ this is the first mention of career resurrection. it was isaidlifeisjustagame who put forth the notion. and you don't have to keep coming back if you think it conflated. [Edited 1/3/18 10:27am] | |
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of course you would | |
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Yes, of course it was out of admiration and gratitude. That is not debated. | |
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It is conflated.
You think 80s youth were familiar with Larry Graham. That is conflated. Simply being associated with Prince Larry Graham and his sessions benefited from being with Prince. | |
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this^^^ i just don't get^^^ how does that get us anywhere. | |
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