jaawwnn said:

yack yack yack Laura, tell it to her not me, I said she was being honest I didn't say she was being reasonable.

If I could tell it to her I would but hey we got Jill telling them were to go and how to get there so at least someone sees the nonsense.

Strawberrylova123 said:

rdhull said:

Im talking about the ones who are still living.

I know that you are saying that,what I'm saying is when people are speaking about a person who is now dead saying they're the one's who introduced him to jazz?...I'm glad people like JJ is calling out that BS

They said it when he was alive. This is not new.

laurarichardson said:

eduJ said:

I've always been a Jill fan but one day she's all chill and zen, and the next she's "going in" and playing the race card. I kinda feel bad for her that she's almost always on the defensive. There are about 50 people on this planet who still care which associated artist co-wrote or sang backup on some obscure unreleased track. A few decades from now there will be zero. Also, it speaks volumes that Wendy, Lisa, Mayte and Sheila continue to take the high road no matter how much crap is slung their way. Others need to get a grip and keep shit in perspective.

[Edited 8/22/17 19:15pm]

If W&L were around then they know Jill's contributions and in no way should they have asked that she be kept away from them at the celebrations which in the end resulted in her not being welcomed at all to the celebration events at Paisley Park. The last time I looked that was Prince's place and his name and music generates the income not the Revolution. They are line steppers and someone has to tell line steppers when they are going to far.

Remove yourself from this whole vs debate for a min.

Put yourself in a place, where you are about to do an event, no matter where it is. You are hosting something or you have a booth at a festival or something. And there is someone who cursed you on social media out of nowhere, and has been talking about you. How do you feel, knowing that person is coming to the event?

Butterscotch said:

scorp84 said:

It doesn't matter whether fans choose to "like" them or not. They're people just like us. If some of us think it's "complicated" to like people from afar, it means shit in comparison to the complexities of the real relationships each individual shared with him.

My point is I want to like them enough to hear their perspectives. However, bashing one another doesn't give opportunity for that to occur. I want the truth to the best of their knowledge. If accounts are not clear, concise or honestly conveyed, than I would rather them not speak on it at all. [Edited 8/22/17 19:09pm]

And it we/they take the cue from Decemeber 2015-April 2017

Death comes for everyone Kim Upsher 2 months later Denise Matthews 2 months later Prince.

Time is running and no one is getting younger.

"Don't let the sun go down on your wrath"

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

If W&L were around then they know Jill's contributions and in no way should they have asked that she be kept away from them at the celebrations which in the end resulted in her not being welcomed at all to the celebration events at Paisley Park. The last time I looked that was Prince's place and his name and music generates the income not the Revolution. They are line steppers and someone has to tell line steppers when they are going to far.

Remove yourself from this whole vs debate for a min.

Put yourself in a place, where you are about to do an event, no matter where it is. You are hosting something or you have a booth at a festival or something. And there is someone who cursed you on social media out of nowhere, and has been talking about you. How do you feel, knowing that person is coming to the event?

If I had a booth at a event I doubt I would in a position to ban someone and as long as I was not being threten with physical harm who would even bother to take my request seriously.

I do not recall Jill saying she was going to hurt anyone in the Revolution and if she was saying things that are not true why are they worried? I suspect that she is saying things that are are true and they do not want to hear it or are fearful that people will listen to her althought their actions now make her words seem creditable.

If they believe her statements are untrue they should be adults and discuss it with her not act like scared children. Why are they afraid of this women?

OldFriends4Sale said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

rdhull said: I know that you are saying that,what I'm saying is when people are speaking about a person who is now dead saying they're the one's who introduced him to jazz?...I'm glad people like JJ is calling out that BS

They said it when he was alive. This is not new.

But they need to stop saying it.

laurarichardson said:

BillieBalloon said:

laurarichardson said:

If I had a booth at a event I doubt I would in a position to ban someone and as long as I was not being threten with physical harm who would even bother to take my request seriously.

I do not recall Jill saying she was going to hurt anyone in the Revolution and if she was saying things that are not true why are they worried? I suspect that she is saying things that are are true and they do not want to hear it or are fearful that people will listen to her althought their actions now make her words seem creditable.

If they believe her statements are untrue they should be adults and discuss it with her not act like scared children. Why are they afraid of this women?

Theyre not afraid of her, theyre trying to sideline her. No pics of Jill at PP means no media coverage. Its about making her irrelevant. I highly doubt Wendy is afraid of Jill.

No one said anything about being Afraid. But if you go someplace for a specific cause or event, you don't want to be distracted with any kind of arguements or such.
This isn't even about picking sides.
Any people entertaining, put themselves in a place where they can be relaxed and prepare to perform.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

They said it when he was alive. This is not new.

But they need to stop saying it.

Eric said it too. But this whole thing is so silly and being taken way out of perspective.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Remove yourself from this whole vs debate for a min.

Put yourself in a place, where you are about to do an event, no matter where it is. You are hosting something or you have a booth at a festival or something. And there is someone who cursed you on social media out of nowhere, and has been talking about you. How do you feel, knowing that person is coming to the event?

If I had a booth at a event I doubt I would in a position to ban someone and as long as I was not being threten with physical harm who would even bother to take my request seriously.

I do not recall Jill saying she was going to hurt anyone in the Revolution and if she was saying things that are not true why are they worried? I suspect that she is saying things that are are true and they do not want to hear it or are fearful that people will listen to her althought their actions now make her words seem creditable.

If they believe her statements are untrue they should be adults and discuss it with her not act like scared children. Why are they afraid of this women?

That's right, but you would be in a position to keep someone away from you. Which is what the Revolution requested.
By JJ post admission the banning was in connection to Apollonia and she named the PP people involved.

But again, I asked you to look at this outside of the JJ/Revolution scenario.

BillieBalloon said:

By having Jill kept away from them they made her look like a crazy person..which was probably the intention. They know Jill personally and these people interacted with each other for years. All of a sudden they couldnt be in the same space as Jill, of course they have had fall outs before, shit happens. This is more about trying to take the reins of the purple horse and less about who said what on social media Imo. . [Edited 8/23/17 6:17am]

1. How did it make Jill look crazy? No one knew about this until Jill posted it on social media

2. JJ had her FB rant during their 2016 show at First Avenue. And since then has been saying things about them on social media (right or wrong). I don't know if she ever reached out to any of them to talk 1 on 1.

3. All the other people were there at First Avenue that chose to be there... how is this taking the reins of the purple horse. That isn't possible.

SoulAlive said:

I think it's time for everybody (former girlfriends,former band members) to let the bitterness go.Time to move on.It's not healthy to carry around all of these bad thoughts.No more angry social media posts! I don't think that Prince would want everyone to be feuding with each other.

It is weariness.
None of this stuff should have made it's way to social media if people did not/could not talk to each other

good words of wisdom:

Debate your cause with your neighbor; and do not discuss it with another

Hey I'd the first to get it going, if we/I had a contact @ WB to talk them about future PR reissues and making a full thurough crediting is used. Not for controversy sake but because I've always liked to know who did what on what.

Prince had the final say originally on crediting the way he did. So the real 'arguement' is with Prince finally.

Thewooh said:

The Melvoins and Leeds brothers and Susan Rogers have been able to control the narrative up until now. Every book about Prince is based on their stories, and they have always placed themself at the centre of the story. Know they are loosing control. Other people are starting to speak up.

That isn't true either.

For example I don't believe Possessed included the Melvoins or Lisa

Books included other band members from the NPG years too. the Time Gayle Chapman Andre Cymone, Dez Dickerson etc So your post is an extreme exaggeration. Later years did not include those people you said. And people could have always spoken up. Sheila E for example never seemed to have a voice outside of adoration for Prince. But she also never just talked about her life and times until her book(while Prince was alive).

And sadly a lot of this right now is about the finality of death. That most of us know about but too often ignore. We always think there is tomorrow. How many of us just never thought Prince would be dead now. The shock of it. I never thought he would die before old age, but I also never thought of Prince being old. It is a shame that JJ never reached out to Prince about things. But Prince was also very 'anti' revisiting the past. And according a JJ interview about 6yrs ago. She and Prince never talked again after the whole GB thing, trying to get her 2nd album music released. Because I appreciate the white fox, I would be so willing to write a letter to those at WB.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Thewooh said:

The Melvoins and Leeds brothers and Susan Rogers have been able to control the narrative up until now. Every book about Prince is based on their stories, and they have always placed themself at the centre of the story. Know they are loosing control. Other people are starting to speak up.

That isn't true either.

For example I don't believe Possessed included the Melvoins or Lisa

Books included other band members from the NPG years too. the Time Gayle Chapman Andre Cymone, Dez Dickerson etc So your post is an extreme exaggeration. Later years did not include those people you said. And people could have always spoken up. Sheila E for example never seemed to have a voice outside of adoration for Prince. But she also never just talked about her life and times until her book(while Prince was alive).

And sadly a lot of this right now is about the finality of death. That most of us know about but too often ignore. We always think there is tomorrow. How many of just never thought Prince would be dead now. The shock of it. I never thought he would die before old age, but I also never thought of Prince being old. It is a shame that JJ never reached out to Prince about things. But Prince was also very 'anti' revisiting the past. And according a JJ interview about 6yrs ago. She and Prince never talked again after the whole GB thing, trying to get her 2nd album music released. Because I appreciate the white fox, I would be so willing to write a letter to those at WB.

She, along with Appolonia and I can't recall who the third was, spent some time with him backstage at the Oakland P&M Shows. According to her, they planned to talk again in a couple of months about her daughter's recording career.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Thewooh said:

I'm glad she continues to speak up.

I just hope(d) hope she would just communicate privately and legally.
All those fans who are anti-this group anti-that group whooping and hollering cannot do anything for her

Same. She should take this up privately with whomever she has beef with. Just seems like she's adding to the drama by doing it this way on Facebook and comes across as bitter. An engineer from Paisley Park in the 90's flamed her on Facebook a few months ago, saying he was 'warned about her' before he worked at Paisley Park and that she expected special treatment and stuff. There's always two sides to a story...

[Edited 8/23/17 7:23am]

Musze said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

That isn't true either.

For example I don't believe Possessed included the Melvoins or Lisa

Books included other band members from the NPG years too. the Time Gayle Chapman Andre Cymone, Dez Dickerson etc So your post is an extreme exaggeration. Later years did not include those people you said. And people could have always spoken up. Sheila E for example never seemed to have a voice outside of adoration for Prince. But she also never just talked about her life and times until her book(while Prince was alive).

And sadly a lot of this right now is about the finality of death. That most of us know about but too often ignore. We always think there is tomorrow. How many of just never thought Prince would be dead now. The shock of it. I never thought he would die before old age, but I also never thought of Prince being old. It is a shame that JJ never reached out to Prince about things. But Prince was also very 'anti' revisiting the past. And according a JJ interview about 6yrs ago. She and Prince never talked again after the whole GB thing, trying to get her 2nd album music released. Because I appreciate the white fox, I would be so willing to write a letter to those at WB.

She, along with Appolonia and I can't recall who the third was, spent some time with him backstage at the Oakland P&M Shows. According to her, they planned to talk again in a couple of months about her daughter's recording career.

Yes, Prince connected with them after Denises' memorial.

I believe it was Brenda & Susan. I have a few pictures of them.

But I mean between 1990-2016 JJ & Prince at least did not.
I believe Apollonia & Prince continued communication.

Susan Moonsie & Brenda remained really close. And they went to a few Prince show during the 3121 period.

Yeah, I think SADLY again, that if it wasn't for the back 2 back deaths of Kim & Denise, Prince might not have opened up. And his health scare helped promt it.

OldFriends4Sale said:

rlittler81 said:

BillieBalloon said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

That isn't true either.

For example I don't believe Possessed included the Melvoins or Lisa

Books included other band members from the NPG years too. the Time Gayle Chapman Andre Cymone, Dez Dickerson etc So your post is an extreme exaggeration. Later years did not include those people you said. And people could have always spoken up. Sheila E for example never seemed to have a voice outside of adoration for Prince. But she also never just talked about her life and times until her book(while Prince was alive).

And sadly a lot of this right now is about the finality of death. That most of us know about but too often ignore. We always think there is tomorrow. How many of us just never thought Prince would be dead now. The shock of it. I never thought he would die before old age, but I also never thought of Prince being old. It is a shame that JJ never reached out to Prince about things. But Prince was also very 'anti' revisiting the past. And according a JJ interview about 6yrs ago. She and Prince never talked again after the whole GB thing, trying to get her 2nd album music released. Because I appreciate the white fox, I would be so willing to write a letter to those at WB.

Jills Facebook post and linking to the article is not about Prince and how many times they talked over the years. Its about the liner notes and the contribution of black artists to Princes legacy. . [Edited 8/23/17 7:42am]

Follow the post correctly and you'll understand way I said 'communicate' and what I'm talking about. When Prince was alive I WISH SHE WOULD HAVE TALKED TO PRINCE.

Who is Purple Rain?
It is about Prince. The liner notes are not different from the 1984 PR album

.

JJ even talked about Prince's wacky way of crediting.
And the race stuff is just so not the issue.

Again, any song she worked on, who was behind the crediting?

Susannah worked on PR vocal music too, but she was not credited, nor was she mentioned.
Jill Jones got the mention on the album.

.

You might like the way this all plays out, but you don't care for her overall best interest. There is a way to do things. And people creating anti-Mayte sites is trashy.

OldFriends4Sale said:

BillieBalloon said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Follow the post correctly and you'll understand way I said 'communicate' and what I'm talking about. When Prince was alive I WISH SHE WOULD HAVE TALKED TO PRINCE.

Who is Purple Rain?
It is about Prince. The liner notes are not different from the 1984 PR album

.

JJ even talked about Prince's wacky way of crediting.
And the race stuff is just so not the issue.

Again, any song she worked on, who was behind the crediting?

Susannah worked on PR vocal music too, but she was not credited, nor was she mentioned.
Jill Jones got the mention on the album.

.

You might like the way this all plays out, but you don't care for her overall best interest. There is a way to do things. And people creating anti-Mayte sites is trashy.

This whole issue has nothing to do with Mayte, i did not mention her, only the article Jill linked to on the blog. Sheila has also had issues with getting her stuff back from PP, she too could have asked for her belongings while Prince was alive. I think some of these issues have happened because P never left instructions on what to do after he passed, Then everyone would have had to stay in their respective lanes.

The site where Jill linked to was the Beautiful Lies site which is anti Mayte

Sheila E isn't putting that stuff out on social media, just mentioned it in an interview while talking about confusion with the Estate.

That is correct Prince never left instructions, no will etc

OldFriends4Sale said:

BillieBalloon said:

OldFriends4Sale said: This whole issue has nothing to do with Mayte, i did not mention her, only the article Jill linked to on the blog. Sheila has also had issues with getting her stuff back from PP, she too could have asked for her belongings while Prince was alive. I think some of these issues have happened because P never left instructions on what to do after he passed, Then everyone would have had to stay in their respective lanes.

The site where Jill linked to was the Beautiful Lies site which is anti Mayte

Sheila E isn't putting that stuff out on social media, just mentioned it in an interview while talking about confusion with the Estate.

That is correct Prince never left instructions, no will etc

He did leave instructions 1) Instructions for Paisley Park. 2) Contracts with Tidal 3) Contracts with WB

4) A LLC. The contracts in the case of WB are more concrete than a will since I yet to read anything in the court documents challenging the valididy of the WB contracts.

Contracts are directions.

I'm a little confused. Some people can go on tours, sell merch and tell their stories on media junkets and talk all they want but if someone else, who was also part of these stories says anything contrary, they are jealous, bitter, mentally deranged, or otherwise challenged because they didn't share their stories first? Is that how this works?

Musze said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

That isn't true either.

For example I don't believe Possessed included the Melvoins or Lisa

Books included other band members from the NPG years too. the Time Gayle Chapman Andre Cymone, Dez Dickerson etc So your post is an extreme exaggeration. Later years did not include those people you said. And people could have always spoken up. Sheila E for example never seemed to have a voice outside of adoration for Prince. But she also never just talked about her life and times until her book(while Prince was alive).

And sadly a lot of this right now is about the finality of death. That most of us know about but too often ignore. We always think there is tomorrow. How many of just never thought Prince would be dead now. The shock of it. I never thought he would die before old age, but I also never thought of Prince being old. It is a shame that JJ never reached out to Prince about things. But Prince was also very 'anti' revisiting the past. And according a JJ interview about 6yrs ago. She and Prince never talked again after the whole GB thing, trying to get her 2nd album music released. Because I appreciate the white fox, I would be so willing to write a letter to those at WB.

She, along with Appolonia and I can't recall who the third was, spent some time with him backstage at the Oakland P&M Shows. According to her, they planned to talk again in a couple of months about her daughter's recording career.

Do not waste your time with the facts. Jill has done whole podcast interviews about speaking to

Prince months before he passed and the Melvoins and Leeds have been running their mouths in books and interviews and making all sorts of asshole comments long before Prince passed.

Jill's issues are with a lack of credit, outright lies and white washing. She was open about her beefs with Prince and I bet he had beefs with her as well. She is not bitching about him on her Facebook posts. We know who she has beef with and we know why.

On YOUTUBE there is a whole hour long panel that Alan is on were he comes off as a bitter old man. I will not even go into Eric comments on the Mike Dean podcast. These people were bitter before Prince died and they are still bitter. They greatly overestimate or in Eric's case underestimate their talents and are now old and probaly hurting for cash.

Eric is actually selling a saxophone stand from Sign Of Times instead of taking that crap to the pawn shop.

Misslink88 said:

I'm a little confused. Some people can go on tours, sell merch and tell their stories on media junkets and talk all they want but if someone else, who was also part of these stories says anything contrary, they are jealous, bitter, mentally deranged, or otherwise challenged because they didn't share their stories first? Is that how this works?

That isn't what anyone is saying

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

The site where Jill linked to was the Beautiful Lies site which is anti Mayte

Sheila E isn't putting that stuff out on social media, just mentioned it in an interview while talking about confusion with the Estate.

That is correct Prince never left instructions, no will etc

He did leave instructions 1) Instructions for Paisley Park. 2) Contracts with Tidal 3) Contracts with WB

4) A LLC. The contracts in the case of WB are more concrete than a will since I yet to read anything in the court documents challenging the valididy of the WB contracts.

Contracts are directions.

No Will.

Tidal, no written contract (unless Jay z produced one recently?)
yes of course WB & Universal...

But Billieballoon mentioned Sheila E getting stuff and why she cannot

OldFriends4Sale said: