PennyPurple said:

Vashtix said:

PennyPurple said:

The other women were there before Vanity entered the picture, that would make Vanity the other woman.

But the other women were after Vanity. Vanity was always there. She and Prince never ended.Vanity was there before Susannah Devin D.,Robin Powers etc. Even if she came after she was not the other woman. They all were sharing one man. Unlike the others she was constant. Per new info from Toban it appears they never ended in the 80s. . The relationship evolved over decades to deep friendship. [Edited 8/19/17 16:27pm]

Vashtix, that is a romantic fantasy that they never ended. They did.

Also Kim Upsher and Susan Moonsie(Vanity 6) were Prince's girlfriends too, and he was litely seeing Susan when he met Vanity. It was Susan that pulled out. Also he was seeing Jill Jones. I believe those two became intimate somewhere in the same year. Jill came into the camp mid-late 81. Vanity came in mid-late 82 during the end of the Controversy tour.

He knew Kim from High School and Susan early in his career, probably pre For You.

Vashtix said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Just because Prince might have continued to 'circle' back to Vanity, doesn't mean it is a good thing.
Sadly Vanity was dealing with a serious issue of addiction. She was in with Nikki Sixx as well. and that was just not a good situation.
Addictions and Sex and two of the worst combinations. So the 'circling back' is most likely not a good thing. Even in Addiction recoveries, people are told to refrain from getting in relationships for a while. And even people not addicted to a drug/alchohol whether it is family-friend-lover can be pulled into the addicted loved ones addiction cycle. 'Love Addiction' combined amps up the bad.

I just isn't anything to be romanticized. It is a vicious raw emotionally and physically 'violent' cycle.

Sheila E suffered sexual abuse at a younger age. So she was wrestling with her demons as well.
I've read that it took some time for Sheila E to cut that part off with Prince, and that it did possibly continue into the early 90s.

But she knew it wasn't good for her.
Some of these women were strong enough to just move on in that dept. Where was it going to lead but the same thing. So that they did not 'circle back' is a good thing.

I don't think Jill or Robyn were 'leading ladies' they were never in that position to be known that way. If anything acress Troy Beyer was, being very visible with Prince.

But Vanity, Susannah Melvoin, Sheila E, Kim Bassinger, Troy Beyer, Nona Gaye, Mayte...

Prince's relationship with Nona also involved heavy drug use on her part. People make up reason why Prince went the Mayte route, was because he wasn't going to marry Nona mostly because of the drug addiction.

Please check this- I AM NOT A FANTASY PERSON. I know Prince and Vanity broke up. I appreciate if peeps reading this understand I get that, believe that and note that.

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I am not saying they were together 4 ever. My point is it has been said Vanity and Prince ended in 1983. I was stating that they did not end in 1983 but years later.

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I never said anything about Prince not circling back to any other women as we all know he was never a truly monogamous man. Please do not lump me into that camp.

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As far as Susan Moonsie goes she stayed around til after Appolonia 6 . When Doves Cry speaks of someone leaving the other standing alone. She was there for years after. I will never get that WDC connection. I am not understanding what she has to do with Vanity and Prince still seeing one another past 1983. Susan, Kim Upsher (who it was learned Prince remained close with til she died in 2015) were all part of his harem in the early days. Love Susan!! she is still gorgeous to this day.

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I am saying Prince and Vanity did not end in 1983 but continued into 1989. That means the writers saying Prince hated Vanity etc. was not true. They are not the authorities people make them out to be. Their facts are wrong and it also means that much of the lore from the 80s has been misrepped and their timelines wrong. I am speaking that or posteriorty we need it right. It is not about who likes who or my girl is better than yours etc. It is about the fact that along with the other women at that time Vanity was still around, not banished into some drug induced alley even if she was doing coke and had Nikki Sixx,Billy Idol, and other men as Vanity owned up to having. It needs to be out and spoken of because she was a major person especially since Purple Rain had the romantic leads as Prince and Vanity.

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I do not know every name of every woman Prince was linked with but there was no real leading lady in my mind if he was still playing Rude Boy to Vanity's Nasty Girl/ The Kid to Apples/Vanity through the 80s decade. Sure they had a public tiff but she was not the other woman to me-NOTE I said to me. I am not discounting any of the other women.

I am not touching the 90s. Please note I am just talking 80s.

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If any of the women he was seeing had any inkling that Prince was still seeing Vanity I can see it being a troubling spot to then and now. Vanity and Prince hung out, picked peeps up from the airpor and she was attending his concerts and he had that outfit made for her, the one posted from 1986. - they were getting on fine.

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This info needs to be noted, not for us, but for those after. There is more than the 1 scenario that we have been told over the years. This one needs to be included especially for those who learn about Prince years to come. I will add since Purple Rain was such a mega movie and the female lead was Apples playing Vanity. Vanity needs to stop being talked about as an afterthought,a sick coke head fiend, whore/harlot. She needs to be spoken of in the totality of who and what she was and respected as the other women at that time have been. Prince will be talked of for ages to come. I hope as time goes on and we are farther away from the transitions of Prince and Denise people will place personal biases aside and share real discussion and info. without fear of petty arguments.

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I am understanding now though why the need to not to validate Denise. Prince and Denise had an understanding. Toban explains it in the other thread on this board. It was way more adult than most can handle esp. if there is need for a fairytale type.traditional romance. They were not traditionalists so it clearly worked for them and allowed it to continue past 1983. Just saying.

I am not talking her health, his health physically/mentally or if it was a good thing to do. I am just saying what has been learned/discussed. Again I never said they never broke up, I never said she was the love of his life, THAT IS NOT what I have said here at all so please do not accuse,attack, or make fun of me for those things. I know this is a touchy, volatile topic and I am not coming for any fanbase, or any person(s). There is no evil passive agressive intent or agenda here. I was just stating info in my opinion needs to be shared.

When I talk about the 'romantic fantasy' I'm talking about the general notion of it, not you specifically. All this information coming in does revolve around a romance.

But you keep saying 'Vanity was the constant' that is fantasy. What does that even mean that she was constant? She was married, what twice? In her religious belief, any emotional attachments with a man that doesn't have to include sex is called adultery.

What do you mean by 'Constant'?

Because if it means what I think in general definition, he was also constant with Susannah & Sheila E through his whole life.

you said:My take is that since Prince and Vanity publicly had let one another go but cirlcled back around to seeing one another it means they had something more than a mere sexual high...

found something in one another their other mates did not have. The leading ladies Sheila E., Susannah, Robin Powers, Jill J., were not Vanity and her other guys were not Prince.

It was for them alone. The other women were Others- Nothing compared to one another.

It technically ended in 1984, not 83.

Well Susan Moonsie comes into it, because in post #303 you said: But the other women were after Vanity. Vanity was always there.

Which I corrected with Susan Moonsie and Prince dated before Vanity came into the scene, and continued a little while Prince & Vanity were dating(leading lady). And it was Susan Moonsie that made the conscious decision to end the romantic side of it.

When Doves Cry? Because Prince tended to play the victim in a lot of his songs. He was the one being left alone, or rejected, or cheated on. Susan Moonsie deciding to remove herself from the growing harem, can easily be seen by Prince as 'leaving me standing in a world alone. She represented a certain type of innocence(hence the 'edge of 17' image she was given) Prince early on would stay at her families house sometimes. She obviously represented some kind of stability ie family.

V, you don't have to reiterate that Vanity and Prince may have continued a fling after 84. I believe they did. I'm just not saying, I find nothing wonderfully loving about it. It was addiction mode. Vanity was in full blown addiction sadly. And Prince wasn't actually in the best places of life himself.
Remember, one of the reasons Vanity left Prince exclusively was that he played mind games with her-something she experienced with her family. And Prince was clearly seeing other women. So to go back to that kind of relationship (if this was any other regular woman) it would be seen as not healthy. In her state of being she was looking for fame and looking for love. Prince couldn't give her that.

They were cool, but I cannot sugar coat how internally this just wasn't a good thing for Vanity.
The fact that she was in such a dark place with Nikki Sixx in 1987, while still seeing Prince showed how it just wasn't good for her all around. Especially being a woman. in the 80s she was a functioning addict. On the surface Vanity had a very good career.

Again, I love Vanity ie Denise Matthews. I've said in some past threads, that if Prince had Vanit 6:Vanity Susan Brenda appear on stage with him, removing Shelby Liv Elise I would go crazy. I always knew they kept in touch, and I'm glad they did. But that was just friendship. She married twice, he married twice. Anything emotionally 'romantic' in their lives during those periods in 1995 would be considered adultery. And I don't want to see them that way. Even though Prince lived out differently than Denise after 1995.

In 1995, she said, "When I came to the Lord Jesus Christ, I threw out about 1,000 tapes of mine—interview, every tape, every video. Everything.

luvgirl said:

Why do you say Prince and Vanity's relationship technically ended in 1984? Vanity left the Prince camp early August 1983. She wrote in her letters that she did not speak with Prince again until the night she gave him the awards at the AMA in 1985. I think that was when they reconnected. Do you have a different source?

There relationship didn't end in 1984. It only ended in the public eye. They kept it going and was still intimate until (89)? They stayed in contact with each other all these years. Toban, Vanity's brother in law told us this info.

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luvgirl said:

PennyPurple said:

There relationship didn't end in 1984. It only ended in the public eye. They kept it going and was still intimate until (89)? They stayed in contact with each other all these years. Toban, Vanity's brother in law told us this info.

[Edited 8/20/17 13:56pm]

From what I understood, it wasn't from 1984 to 1989. TOB first told us that they didn't connect again until 1985 at the AMA. It's in her writings which I have. He then posted that they saw each other off and on in the eighties until 1989 but that had to have been from the point of the AMA in 1985.

So your complaint is the year 1984?? Is that what is throwing you off?? 1 year?

OldFriends4Sale said:

Oldfriends4sale said: When I talk about the 'romantic fantasy' I'm talking about the general notion of it, not you specifically. All this information coming in does revolve around a romance.

But you keep saying 'Vanity was the constant' that is fantasy. What does that even mean that she was constant? She was married, what twice? In her religious belief, any emotional attachments with a man that doesn't have to include sex is called adultery.

What do you mean by 'Constant'?

Because if it means what I think in general definition, he was also constant with Susannah & Sheila E through his whole life.

you said:My take is that since Prince and Vanity publicly had let one another go but cirlcled back around to seeing one another it means they had something more than a mere sexual high...

found something in one another their other mates did not have. The leading ladies Sheila E., Susannah, Robin Powers, Jill J., were not Vanity and her other guys were not Prince.

It was for them alone. The other women were Others- Nothing compared to one another.

It technically ended in 1984, not 83.

Well Susan Moonsie comes into it, because in post #303 you said: But the other women were after Vanity. Vanity was always there.

Which I corrected with Susan Moonsie and Prince dated before Vanity came into the scene, and continued a little while Prince & Vanity were dating(leading lady). And it was Susan Moonsie that made the conscious decision to end the romantic side of it.

When Doves Cry? Because Prince tended to play the victim in a lot of his songs. He was the one being left alone, or rejected, or cheated on. Susan Moonsie deciding to remove herself from the growing harem, can easily be seen by Prince as 'leaving me standing in a world alone. She represented a certain type of innocence(hence the 'edge of 17' image she was given) Prince early on would stay at her families house sometimes. She obviously represented some kind of stability ie family.

V, you don't have to reiterate that Vanity and Prince may have continued a fling after 84. I believe they did. I'm just not saying, I find nothing wonderfully loving about it. It was addiction mode. Vanity was in full blown addiction sadly. And Prince wasn't actually in the best places of life himself.
Remember, one of the reasons Vanity left Prince exclusively was that he played mind games with her-something she experienced with her family. And Prince was clearly seeing other women. So to go back to that kind of relationship (if this was any other regular woman) it would be seen as not healthy. In her state of being she was looking for fame and looking for love. Prince couldn't give her that.

They were cool, but I cannot sugar coat how internally this just wasn't a good thing for Vanity.
The fact that she was in such a dark place with Nikki Sixx in 1987, while still seeing Prince showed how it just wasn't good for her all around. Especially being a woman. in the 80s she was a functioning addict. On the surface Vanity had a very good career.

Again, I love Vanity ie Denise Matthews. I've said in some past threads, that if Prince had Vanit 6:Vanity Susan Brenda appear on stage with him, removing Shelby Liv Elise I would go crazy. I always knew they kept in touch, and I'm glad they did. But that was just friendship. She married twice, he married twice. Anything emotionally 'romantic' in their lives during those periods in 1995 would be considered adultery. And I don't want to see them that way. Even though Prince lived out differently than Denise after 1995.

In 1995, she said, "When I came to the Lord Jesus Christ, I threw out about 1,000 tapes of mine—interview, every tape, every video. Everything.

This has become a very intricate discussion

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I respect Denise Matthews as an Evangelist and I as I said in my earlier post I was only speaking of the

80s NOT the 90s. Again, I am honestly only speaking of Vanity in the 80s. They are 2 very different people and did different things. I respect an admire the woman Denise fought with blood, tears, and prayers an amazing faith to become. She really has been a real inspiration and I do not want to even try to touch the 90s.

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I was simply saying since Vanity never went away in 1983 she was constant. The other women got fed up and left , relationships ended and new ones began. She and Prince remained. That is not belittling or discounting any of the women. This is not a competition. I just noted she was constant in that decade once they met. I did not quantify it as a good/bad thing. I really did not want to discuss that either. I am saying it needs to be respected that Prince and Vanity remained after 1983 and for whatever the reason did not quit each other.

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I appreciate your take on Susan Moonsie whom I really think is adorbs. I do have an issue with people treating Vanity like poop on the bottom of their shoes because she did not have that "good home" and Susan did. That is just the wrong to me. I do not think being blessed with a good home deems anyone more entitled to love and be loved than the person who was not born in that "good home" situation.

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Again I never said there was anything loving or wonderful, good or bad about Prince and Vanity seeing each other after 1983/84. I was just stating in the history of Prince that needs to be noted and not swept under the rug for anyone wanting to know the history of Prince. I mean as I said already she was the main woman the public knew - that RS Cover did a lot for Prince back in the day and like it or not she was big part of it .I was just stating that for those who come after it needs to be noted. It may matter as his story is being researched and retold year, centuries to come.Yes it was romantic in the 80s and I am not embellishing or giving my opinion on the pros and cons of that.

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luvgirl said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

That is not disputed.
And I don't see the lyrics as volatile.
I always saw it as complicated, like a lot of relationship can be

especially if there may be broken trust.

A lot of women could say that about Prince.
hell some of the men in the bands could say some of that stuff too.

The song lyrics categorizes the lack of trust and understanding towards a woman he was in a relationship with, who he obviously thought was sleeping around on him, identifying the reason why he still didn't want to leave her.

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True love before sex U just can't relate

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Saying that U love me, it don't do no good,

U want me 2 trust U, I wish that I could

U cannot build a house with plastic wood

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I guess what it is is that I hate your ideas of fun (Oh yeah?) But baby I rate your ass number one

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I don't usually have time 4 babes with no class, but I can always find time 4 your ass

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U try to fu*k for love... (This sure looks volatile to me..)

Yes, like a lot of relationships.

Again those lyrics could be also directed at Prince

If you look at them, he makes it seems as if it was Vanity that was unfaithful and trying to convince Prince to trust her.

Did he say she had no class?

"U try 2 fuck 4 love" (that is not volatile) that is what a lot of women do, they think by giving sex to a man he will love her in return. This is age old M/F stuff. Girls give it up to a boy they like hoping he will love her.

Vashtix said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

When I talk about the 'romantic fantasy' I'm talking about the general notion of it, not you specifically. All this information coming in does revolve around a romance.

But you keep saying 'Vanity was the constant' that is fantasy. What does that even mean that she was constant? She was married, what twice? In her religious belief, any emotional attachments with a man that doesn't have to include sex is called adultery.

What do you mean by 'Constant'?

Because if it means what I think in general definition, he was also constant with Susannah & Sheila E through his whole life.

you said:My take is that since Prince and Vanity publicly had let one another go but cirlcled back around to seeing one another it means they had something more than a mere sexual high...

found something in one another their other mates did not have. The leading ladies Sheila E., Susannah, Robin Powers, Jill J., were not Vanity and her other guys were not Prince.

It was for them alone. The other women were Others- Nothing compared to one another.

It technically ended in 1984, not 83.

Well Susan Moonsie comes into it, because in post #303 you said: But the other women were after Vanity. Vanity was always there.

Which I corrected with Susan Moonsie and Prince dated before Vanity came into the scene, and continued a little while Prince & Vanity were dating(leading lady). And it was Susan Moonsie that made the conscious decision to end the romantic side of it.

When Doves Cry? Because Prince tended to play the victim in a lot of his songs. He was the one being left alone, or rejected, or cheated on. Susan Moonsie deciding to remove herself from the growing harem, can easily be seen by Prince as 'leaving me standing in a world alone. She represented a certain type of innocence(hence the 'edge of 17' image she was given) Prince early on would stay at her families house sometimes. She obviously represented some kind of stability ie family.

V, you don't have to reiterate that Vanity and Prince may have continued a fling after 84. I believe they did. I'm just not saying, I find nothing wonderfully loving about it. It was addiction mode. Vanity was in full blown addiction sadly. And Prince wasn't actually in the best places of life himself.
Remember, one of the reasons Vanity left Prince exclusively was that he played mind games with her-something she experienced with her family. And Prince was clearly seeing other women. So to go back to that kind of relationship (if this was any other regular woman) it would be seen as not healthy. In her state of being she was looking for fame and looking for love. Prince couldn't give her that.

They were cool, but I cannot sugar coat how internally this just wasn't a good thing for Vanity.
The fact that she was in such a dark place with Nikki Sixx in 1987, while still seeing Prince showed how it just wasn't good for her all around. Especially being a woman. in the 80s she was a functioning addict. On the surface Vanity had a very good career.

Again, I love Vanity ie Denise Matthews. I've said in some past threads, that if Prince had Vanit 6:Vanity Susan Brenda appear on stage with him, removing Shelby Liv Elise I would go crazy. I always knew they kept in touch, and I'm glad they did. But that was just friendship. She married twice, he married twice. Anything emotionally 'romantic' in their lives during those periods in 1995 would be considered adultery. And I don't want to see them that way. Even though Prince lived out differently than Denise after 1995.

In 1995, she said, "When I came to the Lord Jesus Christ, I threw out about 1,000 tapes of mine—interview, every tape, every video. Everything.

This has become a very intricate discussion

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I was simply saying since Vanity never went away in 1983 she was constant. The other women got fed up and left , relationships ended and new ones began. She and Prince remained. That is not belittling or discounting any of the women. This is not a competition. I just noted she was constant in that decade once they met. I did not quantify it as a good/bad thing. I really did not want to discuss that either. I am saying it needs to be respected that Prince and Vanity remained after 1983 and for whatever the reason did not quit each other.

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I appreciate your take on Susan Moonsie whom I really think is adorbs. I do have an issue with people treating Vanity like poop on the bottom of their shoes because she did not have that "good home" and Susan did. That is just the wrong to me. I do not think being blessed with a good home deems anyone more entitled to love and be loved than the person who was not born in that "good home" situation.

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Again I never said there was anything loving or wonderful, good or bad about Prince and Vanity seeing each other after 1983/84. I was just stating in the history of Prince that needs to be noted and not swept under the rug for anyone wanting to know the history of Prince. I mean as I said already she was the main woman the public knew - that RS Cover did a lot for Prince back in the day and like it or not she was big part of it .I was just stating that for those who come after it needs to be noted. It may matter as his story is being researched and retold year, centuries to come.Yes it was romantic in the 80s and I am not embellishing or giving my opinion on the pros and cons of that.

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But Vanity got fed up and left too, V.
She was not constant, constant would imply she was his 'steady' if 'leading lady'

and that wasn't the case. Sometimes in relationships after they end, there is a tapering off period.
Even couples who seperate-divorce have been know to have sex to a finality. That isn't a constant.

I wish she didn't have those demons to fight with, and I wish Prince was more stable. I did like those two together. If not for the romantic fantasy of Purple Music.

Well let's keep it real. I never heard anyone say Susan was 'good home' etc I said that. Please keep it in context of the conversation I said it in. Home is a sense of safety, pre fame safety. That has nothing to do with Vanity, nor Vanity being poop underneath someones boot.
And no where did I ever say it did not entitle someone to be loved. I don't know where U got that from? No one is entitled to be loved, but we all should be loved and need love. Vanity was passing thru 2 Stardom. Susan was not.

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Well next time someone is dragging Vanity U let me know, I'll come join the debate

OldFriends4Sale said:

Vashtix said:

Please check this- I AM NOT A FANTASY PERSON. I know Prince and Vanity broke up. I appreciate if peeps reading this understand I get that, believe that and note that.

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I am not saying they were together 4 ever. My point is it has been said Vanity and Prince ended in 1983. I was stating that they did not end in 1983 but years later.

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I never said anything about Prince not circling back to any other women as we all know he was never a truly monogamous man. Please do not lump me into that camp.

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As far as Susan Moonsie goes she stayed around til after Appolonia 6 . When Doves Cry speaks of someone leaving the other standing alone. She was there for years after. I will never get that WDC connection. I am not understanding what she has to do with Vanity and Prince still seeing one another past 1983. Susan, Kim Upsher (who it was learned Prince remained close with til she died in 2015) were all part of his harem in the early days. Love Susan!! she is still gorgeous to this day.

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I am saying Prince and Vanity did not end in 1983 but continued into 1989. That means the writers saying Prince hated Vanity etc. was not true. They are not the authorities people make them out to be. Their facts are wrong and it also means that much of the lore from the 80s has been misrepped and their timelines wrong. I am speaking that or posteriorty we need it right. It is not about who likes who or my girl is better than yours etc. It is about the fact that along with the other women at that time Vanity was still around, not banished into some drug induced alley even if she was doing coke and had Nikki Sixx,Billy Idol, and other men as Vanity owned up to having. It needs to be out and spoken of because she was a major person especially since Purple Rain had the romantic leads as Prince and Vanity.

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I do not know every name of every woman Prince was linked with but there was no real leading lady in my mind if he was still playing Rude Boy to Vanity's Nasty Girl/ The Kid to Apples/Vanity through the 80s decade. Sure they had a public tiff but she was not the other woman to me-NOTE I said to me. I am not discounting any of the other women.

I am not touching the 90s. Please note I am just talking 80s.

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If any of the women he was seeing had any inkling that Prince was still seeing Vanity I can see it being a troubling spot to then and now. Vanity and Prince hung out, picked peeps up from the airpor and she was attending his concerts and he had that outfit made for her, the one posted from 1986. - they were getting on fine.

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This info needs to be noted, not for us, but for those after. There is more than the 1 scenario that we have been told over the years. This one needs to be included especially for those who learn about Prince years to come. I will add since Purple Rain was such a mega movie and the female lead was Apples playing Vanity. Vanity needs to stop being talked about as an afterthought,a sick coke head fiend, whore/harlot. She needs to be spoken of in the totality of who and what she was and respected as the other women at that time have been. Prince will be talked of for ages to come. I hope as time goes on and we are farther away from the transitions of Prince and Denise people will place personal biases aside and share real discussion and info. without fear of petty arguments.

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I am understanding now though why the need to not to validate Denise. Prince and Denise had an understanding. Toban explains it in the other thread on this board. It was way more adult than most can handle esp. if there is need for a fairytale type.traditional romance. They were not traditionalists so it clearly worked for them and allowed it to continue past 1983. Just saying.

I am not talking her health, his health physically/mentally or if it was a good thing to do. I am just saying what has been learned/discussed. Again I never said they never broke up, I never said she was the love of his life, THAT IS NOT what I have said here at all so please do not accuse,attack, or make fun of me for those things. I know this is a touchy, volatile topic and I am not coming for any fanbase, or any person(s). There is no evil passive agressive intent or agenda here. I was just stating info in my opinion needs to be shared.

When I talk about the 'romantic fantasy' I'm talking about the general notion of it, not you specifically. All this information coming in does revolve around a romance.

But you keep saying 'Vanity was the constant' that is fantasy. What does that even mean that she was constant? She was married, what twice? In her religious belief, any emotional attachments with a man that doesn't have to include sex is called adultery.

What do you mean by 'Constant'?

Because if it means what I think in general definition, he was also constant with Susannah & Sheila E through his whole life.

you said:My take is that since Prince and Vanity publicly had let one another go but cirlcled back around to seeing one another it means they had something more than a mere sexual high...

found something in one another their other mates did not have. The leading ladies Sheila E., Susannah, Robin Powers, Jill J., were not Vanity and her other guys were not Prince.

It was for them alone. The other women were Others- Nothing compared to one another.

It technically ended in 1984, not 83.

Well Susan Moonsie comes into it, because in post #303 you said: But the other women were after Vanity. Vanity was always there.

Which I corrected with Susan Moonsie and Prince dated before Vanity came into the scene, and continued a little while Prince & Vanity were dating(leading lady). And it was Susan Moonsie that made the conscious decision to end the romantic side of it.

When Doves Cry? Because Prince tended to play the victim in a lot of his songs. He was the one being left alone, or rejected, or cheated on. Susan Moonsie deciding to remove herself from the growing harem, can easily be seen by Prince as 'leaving me standing in a world alone. She represented a certain type of innocence(hence the 'edge of 17' image she was given) Prince early on would stay at her families house sometimes. She obviously represented some kind of stability ie family.

V, you don't have to reiterate that Vanity and Prince may have continued a fling after 84. I believe they did. I'm just not saying, I find nothing wonderfully loving about it. It was addiction mode. Vanity was in full blown addiction sadly. And Prince wasn't actually in the best places of life himself.
Remember, one of the reasons Vanity left Prince exclusively was that he played mind games with her-something she experienced with her family. And Prince was clearly seeing other women. So to go back to that kind of relationship (if this was any other regular woman) it would be seen as not healthy. In her state of being she was looking for fame and looking for love. Prince couldn't give her that.

They were cool, but I cannot sugar coat how internally this just wasn't a good thing for Vanity.
The fact that she was in such a dark place with Nikki Sixx in 1987, while still seeing Prince showed how it just wasn't good for her all around. Especially being a woman. in the 80s she was a functioning addict. On the surface Vanity had a very good career.

Again, I love Vanity ie Denise Matthews. I've said in some past threads, that if Prince had Vanit 6:Vanity Susan Brenda appear on stage with him, removing Shelby Liv Elise I would go crazy. I always knew they kept in touch, and I'm glad they did. But that was just friendship. She married twice, he married twice. Anything emotionally 'romantic' in their lives during those periods in 1995 would be considered adultery. And I don't want to see them that way. Even though Prince lived out differently than Denise after 1995.

In 1995, she said, "When I came to the Lord Jesus Christ, I threw out about 1,000 tapes of mine—interview, every tape, every video. Everything.

This has become a very intricate discussion

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I respect Denise Matthews as an Evangelist and I as I said in my earlier post I was only speaking of the

80s NOT the 90s. Again, I am honestly only speaking of Vanity in the 80s. They are 2 very different people and did different things. I respect an admire the woman Denise fought with blood, tears, and prayers an amazing faith to become. She really has been a real inspiration and I do not want to even try to touch the 90s.

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I was simply saying since Vanity never went away in 1983 she was constant. The other women got fed up and left , relationships ended and new ones began. She and Prince remained. That is not belittling or discounting any of the women. This is not a competition. I just noted she was constant in that decade once they met. I did not quantify it as a good/bad thing. I really did not want to discuss that either. I am saying it needs to be respected that Prince and Vanity remained after 1983 and for whatever the reason did not quit each other.

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I appreciate your take on Susan Moonsie whom I really think is adorbs. I do have an issue with people treating Vanity like poop on the bottom of their shoes because she did not have that "good home" and Susan did. That is just the wrong to me. I do not think being blessed with a good home deems anyone more entitled to love and be loved than the person who was not born in that "good home" situation.

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Again I never said there was anything loving or wonderful, good or bad about Prince and Vanity seeing each other after 1983/84. I was just stating in the history of Prince that needs to be noted and not swept under the rug for anyone wanting to know the history of Prince. I mean as I said already she was the main woman the public knew - that RS Cover did a lot for Prince back in the day and like it or not she was big part of it .I was just stating that for those who come after it needs to be noted. It may matter as his story is being researched and retold year, centuries to come.Yes it was romantic in the 80s and I am not embellishing or giving my opinion on the pros and cons of that.

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Vashtix said:

luvgirl said:

purplefam99 said:

purplefam99 said:

luvgirl said:

PennyPurple said:

So your complaint is the year 1984?? Is that what is throwing you off?? 1 year?

Maybe you don't care about correct info, but I do. A difference between me and you. [Edited 8/20/17 16:14pm]

Oh brother, feed us some more BS.

luvgirl said:

PennyPurple said:

Oh brother, feed us some more BS.

Why did a post about me asking for a correct date trigger animosity from you?

Because unless any of us were there, none of us know the correct date. Even P's associates and people who are suppose to be experts can't even come up with the same story. We're not ever going to get the truth.

I've even heard where P & V might have went back as far as '81, before the award show even happened.

luvgirl said:

PennyPurple said:

Oh brother, feed us some more BS.

Why did a post about me asking for a correct date trigger animosity from you?

Because unless any of us were there, none of us know the correct date. Even P's associates and people who are suppose to be experts can't even come up with the same story. We're not ever going to get the truth.

I've even heard where P & V might have went back as far as '81, before the award show even happened.