There are different ways to be a genius other than musical. There are producers that are considered geniuses. No I am not arguing for the sake of arguing. Your post sounded like you were saying he was a genius for how he harnessed talent.

The reality is that I never get the vibe that you think Prince has any talent away from the folks around him. I just don't. I see you more on posts about his associates than ones about him. I see you reminding people to give credit to his associates but maybe it seems redundant (or not your responsibility) to actually remind us relative newbies (or new stans) what Prince did himself to contribute to his own career and that of others. I don't mean giving them opportunities and stealing their music (like Jamie Starr was a thief.) I mean musically. Its like some of you folks think he is some kind of musical sponge with no original ideas of his own. No, he didn't do everything all by himself. But if you spend all your time reminding people of all the other contributions of his associates and don't bother discussing his own musical contributions for whatever reason, it makes it appear like Prince is just like a lightening rod for talent, rather than an individual talent on his own.

I was reading through old posts about some other topic which I can't recall (I think they were from 2011) and you literally said that it was common for LIsa to come up with melodies and for Prince to take them and write down lyrics or for him to come up with basic songs and for Lisa and Wendy to finish them. If these two scenaries were pretty common, than it sounds like they were doing more work than he was musically.

OldFriends4Sale said:

purplerabbithole said:

OldFriends4Sale said: so Prince is not a musical genius? But rather everyone else around him is the musical geniuses and he is PT Barnum? he was never playing during thoses sessions?Just listening and stealing? Never wrote a good song again? I get that hyperbole is an issue where P is concerned but it sounds now that you doubt he ever did anything on his own.

Are you just trying to argue for arguement sake or stanning for Prince?

OF4S said in post #248 'And Prince is a genius'

Purplerabbithole in post #254 asks 'so Prince is not a musical genius?'

your whole reply is not being rational.

OldFriends4Sale said:

paulludvig said:

You're the one stanning for Wendy, even going as far as attacking peole who disagree with you. Same with guybros and a couple of others.

No, understand what stanning is bud.

I'm not irrational about it. you are.

Paulludvig said:

* People now claim that W&L probably went uncredited on many of the songs on SOTT without any evidence whatsoever. Wendy knows how this works. This is how she usually operates.

* It's like he's pushing W away!

* At one point she also said she wrote Purple Rain.

You have a trail of it, all over the org.

I asked in reply #37 if you would provide the link where you got this from 9pages later 268 posts later U still have not.

Come back my son and rule love Prince and the Revolution

Wendy Lisa Sheila Cat Susannah Rhonda Marva

Here you go http://bbook.com/culture-...evolution/

And what's up with those irrelevant quotes? You are all over the place.

You post is crap. You've never ever read anything where I've said or instigated that.

All the era thread I've created about Prince from 1977 - 2015 showcasing Prince's musical genius and you come away with this bs?

a post from 2011 please share this. I mean in the moment you seem to have a problem reading correctly without adding in 'your take'

Prince himself said "Jamie Starr is a theif'

I said Prince was a musical genius, and you reply with 'so your saying Prince's isn't a musical genius?'

purplerabbithole said:

There are different ways to be a genius other than musical. There are producers that are considered geniuses. No I am not arguing for the sake of arguing. Your post sounded like you were saying he was a genius for how he harnessed talent.

The reality is that I never get the vibe that you think Prince has any talent away from the folks around him. I just don't. I see you more on posts about his associates than ones about him. I see you reminding people to give credit to his associates but maybe it seems redundant (or not your responsibility) to actually remind us relative newbies (or new stans) what Prince did himself to contribute to his own career and that of others. I don't mean giving them opportunities and stealing their music (like Jamie Starr was a thief.) I mean musically. Its like some of you folks think he is some kind of musical sponge with no original ideas of his own. No, he didn't do everything all by himself. But if you spend all your time reminding people of all the other contributions of his associates and don't bother discussing his own musical contributions for whatever reason, it makes it appear like Prince is just like a lightening rod for talent, rather than an individual talent on his own.

I was reading through old posts about some other topic which I can't recall (I think they were from 2011) and you literally said that it was common for LIsa to come up with melodies and for Prince to take them and write down lyrics or for him to come up with basic songs and for Lisa and Wendy to finish them. If these two scenaries were pretty common, than it sounds like they were doing more work than he was musically.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Are you just trying to argue for arguement sake or stanning for Prince?

OF4S said in post #248 'And Prince is a genius'

Purplerabbithole in post #254 asks 'so Prince is not a musical genius?'

your whole reply is not being rational.

purplerabbithole said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

And Prince is a genius that knew for a period how to foster an environment and creative community that made 1981-1987 GOLDEN. And there is reason it never happened again.

so Prince is not a musical genius?

Nobody is saying that.

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

No, understand what stanning is bud.

I'm not irrational about it. you are.

Paulludvig said:

* People now claim that W&L probably went uncredited on many of the songs on SOTT without any evidence whatsoever. Wendy knows how this works. This is how she usually operates.

* It's like he's pushing W away!

* At one point she also said she wrote Purple Rain.

You have a trail of it, all over the org.

I asked in reply #37 if you would provide the link where you got this from 9pages later 268 posts later U still have not.

Come back my son and rule love Prince and the Revolution

Wendy Lisa Sheila Cat Susannah Rhonda Marva

Here you go http://bbook.com/culture-...evolution/

And what's up with those irrelevant quotes? You are all over the place.

they are relevant in that you are being irrational. Facts according to how you feel.

Well, I don't that vibe at all from you guys. Maybe, it is one of those "it goes without saying" things.

GuyBros said:

purplerabbithole said:

OldFriends4Sale said: so Prince is not a musical genius?

Nobody is saying that.

or maybe no matter what anyone says, 'if they highlight what others have done with Prince' then they are taking away from Prince's genius

I have years of threads highlighting Prince's genius from 1977 Demo/the Early years to the 2013 3rd Eye Girls years and individual songs and videos and award shows from diverse periods of Prince's timeline and you walk away saying 'you seem to not thing Prince is a genius'

purplerabbithole said:

Well, I don't that vibe at all from you guys. Maybe, it is one of those "it goes without saying" things.

GuyBros said:

Nobody is saying that.

OldFriends4Sale said:

paulludvig said:

Here you go http://bbook.com/culture-...evolution/

And what's up with those irrelevant quotes? You are all over the place.

they are relevant in that you are being irrational. Facts according to how you feel.

I hope you realize that this doesn't make sense.

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

they are relevant in that you are being irrational. Facts according to how you feel.

I hope you realize that this doesn't make sense.

yes it does. I said your are stanning for Prince. I'm not stanning for Wendy. I haven't said anything irrational. Those things you've said were. And had nothing to do with trying to have a rational conversation about this.

.

The picture of Prince in front of the photo of Bobby Z and Wendy after Bobby's heart attack and you reply with 'looks like he is pushing Wendy away ' is an example of an issue beyond 'wanting to be factual' as well as your continued push of the lie of of 'Wendy said she wrote Purple Rain'

I am relatively new and I just don't recall any specific descriptions of his talents other than how he used other people's talents. They are probably there. But I can't read this entire site since its inception.

You are getting angry and that was not my intention. My intention was to show you why I am a bit defensive about Prince right now and the impression I am getting from the most recent posts (last 6 months or so).

I don't dislike Wendy or LIsa... But, They are not above reproach anymore than Prince is. But because Prince during his life got his fair share of criticism (even on this website), I really do think it feels redundant at this point. So, I tend to lay off him. Yes, he gets legend status in the popular media but it don't mean diddley shit when they just keep playing Purple Rain over and over again and talking about his drug problem.

OldFriends4Sale said:

You post is crap. You've never ever read anything where I've said or instigated that.

All the era thread I've created about Prince from 1977 - 2015 showcasing Prince's musical genius and you come away with this bs?

a post from 2011 please share this. I mean in the moment you seem to have a problem reading correctly without adding in 'your take'

Prince himself said "Jamie Starr is a theif'

I said Prince was a musical genius, and you reply with 'so your saying Prince's isn't a musical genius?'

purplerabbithole said:

There are different ways to be a genius other than musical. There are producers that are considered geniuses. No I am not arguing for the sake of arguing. Your post sounded like you were saying he was a genius for how he harnessed talent.

The reality is that I never get the vibe that you think Prince has any talent away from the folks around him. I just don't. I see you more on posts about his associates than ones about him. I see you reminding people to give credit to his associates but maybe it seems redundant (or not your responsibility) to actually remind us relative newbies (or new stans) what Prince did himself to contribute to his own career and that of others. I don't mean giving them opportunities and stealing their music (like Jamie Starr was a thief.) I mean musically. Its like some of you folks think he is some kind of musical sponge with no original ideas of his own. No, he didn't do everything all by himself. But if you spend all your time reminding people of all the other contributions of his associates and don't bother discussing his own musical contributions for whatever reason, it makes it appear like Prince is just like a lightening rod for talent, rather than an individual talent on his own.

I was reading through old posts about some other topic which I can't recall (I think they were from 2011) and you literally said that it was common for LIsa to come up with melodies and for Prince to take them and write down lyrics or for him to come up with basic songs and for Lisa and Wendy to finish them. If these two scenaries were pretty common, than it sounds like they were doing more work than he was musically.

OldFriends4Sale said:

paulludvig said:

I hope you realize that this doesn't make sense.

yes it does. I said your are stanning for Prince. I'm not stanning for Wendy. I haven't said anything irrational. Those things you've said were. And had nothing to do with trying to have a rational conversation about this.

.

The picture of Prince in front of the photo of Bobby Z and Wendy after Bobby's heart attack and you reply with 'looks like he is pushing Wendy away ' is an example of an issue beyond 'wanting to be factual' as well as your continued push of the lie of of 'Wendy said she wrote Purple Rain'

That was a joke and you know it (because I told you). I was making a bit of fun of your tendency to post irrelevant pictures to prove this or that.

paulludvig said:

You're the one stanning for Wendy, even going as far as attacking peole who disagree with you. Same with guybros and a couple of others.

What's "stanning" got to do with it? I've questioned whether or not your implying that "Wendy is at it again" are accurate.

In the life of this thread, you've gone from verifying the truth of Wendy's statements

paulludvig said:

she's not wrong.

And pretending to not troll Wendy

I'm trying to give her the benefit of the doubt here.

And within pages you've flipped to then misquoting yourself as saying

paulludvig said:

she's wrong.

Which can read like you're so pressed to not acknowledge that it's possible that she hasn't done anything wrong, you're willing to try and pretend that's not what you said.

And given the receipts on this forum of your trolling of W&L and posts like this that you start "Wendy is at it again" forgive anyone for not believing you're sincere when say shit like "I'm trying to give her the benefit of the doubt." Ok girl!

I'm definitely a fan of W&L as well as one of Prince. A difference between me and you is I'm open about my fandom. You claim to "give her the benefit of the doubt" but..

Most of my posts about this have been about questioning the accusations of W&L and The Revolution. But as for stanning, I've never created a thread about the Revolution being more Genius than Prince. And I've never gone out of my way to create threads like "Prince Is At It Again Trying To Pretend The Revolution Doesn't Exist" like some folks do.

Ya'll just learned what the term stan means. Maybe chill on it a little bit.

[Edited 5/21/17 13:37pm]

But you made a totally false opinion of me. Even saying "i read something you said from 2011 saying Prince had not talent outside of utilizing other people'

Don't say crap like that if you haven't done your homework. So yes it is going to piss me off. And all that is is an impression with is based on what? in the last 6 months I've been doing era threads on Prince & Sheila E Romance 1600 Prince and the Family direction Prince's Mazarati Prince -Under the Cherry Moon the movie prince Parade era Prince Parade tour

http://prince.org/msg/7/440113

http://prince.org/msg/7/440112

http://prince.org/msg/7/440155

[/url]http://prince.org/msg/7/439931[/url]

[/url]http://prince.org/msg/7/440549[/url]

prior to these I did all the periods/albums prior starting from 1977.

read my words http://prince.org/msg/7/439933

And I've been doing this since I joined. Always highlighting Prince's genius.

purplerabbithole said:

I am relatively new and I just don't recall any specific descriptions of his talents other than how he used other people's talents. They are probably there. But I can't read this entire site since its inception.

You are getting angry and that was not my intention. My intention was to show you why I am a bit defensive about Prince right now and the impression I am getting from the most recent posts (last 6 months or so).

I don't dislike Wendy or LIsa... But, They are not above reproach anymore than Prince is. But because Prince during his life got his fair share of criticism (even on this website), I really do think it feels redundant at this point. So, I tend to lay off him. Yes, he gets legend status in the popular media but it don't mean diddley shit when they just keep playing Purple Rain over and over again and talking about his drug problem.

OldFriends4Sale said:

You post is crap. You've never ever read anything where I've said or instigated that.

All the era thread I've created about Prince from 1977 - 2015 showcasing Prince's musical genius and you come away with this bs?

a post from 2011 please share this. I mean in the moment you seem to have a problem reading correctly without adding in 'your take'

Prince himself said "Jamie Starr is a theif'

I said Prince was a musical genius, and you reply with 'so your saying Prince's isn't a musical genius?'

You dont need to give me examples. But if the belief is that most of Prince's music is a collaboration, unless you specifically state he did this or that for a song then unfortunately the pandora box is open. Years talking and analysing his music could be construed as just talking about a large number of musical contributors working on songs falling under the name Prince. Its like when historians started to believe that maybe Shakespeare didn't write his own plays (that he was just a producer basically who paid for the theater troop that performed the plays). Well, we can say how great Shakespeare's plays are and still call them Shakespeare plays while also believing that the man formally known as William Shaxpear didn't actually write them.

I am just hoping for more balance. Are people actually writing about bass-lines, melodies, and hooks he came up with (I don't mean just taking out the base line of When Doves Cry being removed). Are people still talking about his vocal harmonizing with his own voice, the incidences where he did actually write his own songs without stealing them from jam sessions, how he led his jam sessions and threw out chord changes and ideas, the contributions he got rid and the ones he kept, his specific vision for songs, how he decided to piece together and layer sounds in his songs. The belief that he did everything for himself (admittedly) is not balanced. But he is the name over the marquis. I would hope he did most of his own music and could still walk into a studio and lay down some tracks without forcing his band to jam for four hours straight first.

OldFriends4Sale said:

or maybe no matter what anyone says, 'if they highlight what others have done with Prince' then they are taking away from Prince's genius

I have years of threads highlighting Prince's genius from 1977 Demo/the Early years to the 2013 3rd Eye Girls years and individual songs and videos and award shows from diverse periods of Prince's timeline and you walk away saying 'you seem to not thing Prince is a genius'

purplerabbithole said:

Well, I don't that vibe at all from you guys. Maybe, it is one of those "it goes without saying" things.

OldFriends4Sale said:

paulludvig said:

I hope you realize that this doesn't make sense.

yes it does. I said your are stanning for Prince. I'm not stanning for Wendy. I haven't said anything irrational. Those things you've said were. And had nothing to do with trying to have a rational conversation about this.

.

The picture of Prince in front of the photo of Bobby Z and Wendy after Bobby's heart attack and you reply with 'looks like he is pushing Wendy away ' is an example of an issue beyond 'wanting to be factual' as well as your continued push of the lie of of 'Wendy said she wrote Purple Rain'

And since this is important to you, here is the quote I was thinking about:

"Wendy: Prince always wanted money and control, period. Lisa and I wrote "Purple Rain." We came to rehearsal with the melody and the idea, and then over the next two days everyone worked on it and fleshed it out. But for "Computer Blue," we just contributed a keyboard line. That's writing? You just never knew what [credit] he would give you. He just wanted absolute power in every way, and we were too much for him. That's why he fired us."

GuyBros said:

paulludvig said:

You're the one stanning for Wendy, even going as far as attacking peole who disagree with you. Same with guybros and a couple of others.

What's "stanning" got to do with it? I've questioned whether or not your implying that "Wendy is at it again" are accurate.

In the life of this thread, you've gone from verifying the truth of Wendy's statements

And within pages you've flipped to then misquoting yourself as saying

paulludvig said:

she's wrong.

Which can read like you're so pressed to not acknowledge that it's possible that she hasn't done anything wrong, you're willing to try and pretend that's not what you said.

And given the receipts on this forum of your trolling of W&L and posts like this that you start "Wendy is at it again" forgive anyone for not believing you're sincere when say shit like "I'm trying to give her the benefit of the doubt." Ok girl!

I'm definitely a fan of W&L as well as one of Prince. A difference between me and you is I'm open about my fandom. You claim to "give her the benefit of the doubt" but..

Most of my posts about this have been about questioning the accusations of W&L and The Revolution. But as for stanning, I've never created a thread about the Revolution being more Genius than Prince. And I've never gone out of my way to create threads like "Prince Is At It Again Trying To Pretend The Revolution Doesn't Exist" like some folks do.

Ya'll just learned what the term stan means. Maybe chill on it a little bit.

[Edited 5/21/17 13:03pm]

[Edited 5/21/17 13:08pm]

Actually I take back the part about giving W the benifit of the doubt. She DID say she wrote PR in an interview from '98.

[Edited 5/21/17 13:21pm]

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

yes it does. I said your are stanning for Prince. I'm not stanning for Wendy. I haven't said anything irrational. Those things you've said were. And had nothing to do with trying to have a rational conversation about this.

.

The picture of Prince in front of the photo of Bobby Z and Wendy after Bobby's heart attack and you reply with 'looks like he is pushing Wendy away ' is an example of an issue beyond 'wanting to be factual' as well as your continued push of the lie of of 'Wendy said she wrote Purple Rain'

That was a joke and you know it (because I told you). I was making a bit of fun of your tendency to post irrelevant pictures to prove this or that.

Um first of all I replied with the picture to another member Reciprocitywho said "

Prince would have been Prince no matter if Wendy or Susannah ever stepped foot in his world.

I am sick of both of them."

So it wasn't about you.

So the picture was in reply many many years later Prince thought opposite of that. So it was releveant.

.

Usually if I post a picture it is to rebuff a stupid comment

.

and unless I'm skipping over it you never said "it was a joke" you never replied at all. So naw not buying it.

http://prince.org/msg/5/4...?&pg=2

paulludvig said:

Actually I take back the part about giving W the benifit og the doubt.

Take it back?

Okay girl!

paulludvig said:

GuyBros said:

Which can read like you're so pressed to not acknowledge that it's possible that she hasn't done anything wrong, you're willing to try and pretend that's not what you said.

And given the receipts on this forum of your trolling of W&L and posts like this that you start "Wendy is at it again" forgive anyone for not believing you're sincere when say shit like "I'm trying to give her the benefit of the doubt." Ok girl!

I'm definitely a fan of W&L as well as one of Prince. A difference between me and you is I'm open about my fandom. You claim to "give her the benefit of the doubt" but..

Most of my posts about this have been about questioning the accusations of W&L and The Revolution. But as for stanning, I've never created a thread about the Revolution being more Genius than Prince. And I've never gone out of my way to create threads like "Prince Is At It Again Trying To Pretend The Revolution Doesn't Exist" like some folks do.

Ya'll just learned what the term stan means. Maybe chill on it a little bit.

[Edited 5/21/17 13:03pm]

[Edited 5/21/17 13:08pm]

Actually I take back the part about giving W the benifit og the doubt. She DID say she wrote PR in an interview from '98.

here we go again Round & Round

just post it bro, stop insinuating, just post the link where she said it

OldFriends4Sale said:

paulludvig said:

Actually I take back the part about giving W the benifit og the doubt. She DID say she wrote PR in an interview from '98.

here we go again Round & Round

just post it bro, stop insinuating, just post the link where she said it

See Reply #284

[Edited 5/21/17 13:21pm]

Yes I do because if you are making an opinion about me based on what I said in 2011 then you need to be given substantial proof. If U choose to not read it but go on some presumption, then I don't know what else to say.

You will need to address individual people with those questions. Not put it all on me to answer.

purplerabbithole said:

You dont need to give me examples. But if the belief is that most of Prince's music is a collaboration, unless you specifically state he did this or that for a song then unfortunately the pandora box is open. Years talking and analysing his music could be construed as just talking about a large number of musical contributors working on songs falling under the name Prince. Its like when historians started to believe that maybe Shakespeare didn't write his own plays (that he was just a producer basically who paid for the theater troop that performed the plays). Well, we can say how great Shakespeare's plays are and still call them Shakespeare plays while also believing that the man formally known as William Shaxpear didn't actually write them.

I am just hoping for more balance. Are people actually writing about bass-lines, melodies, and hooks he came up with (I don't mean just taking out the base line of When Doves Cry being removed). Are people still talking about his vocal harmonizing with his own voice, the incidences where he did actually write his own songs without stealing them from jam sessions, how he led his jam sessions and threw out chord changes and ideas, the contributions he got rid and the ones he kept, his specific vision for songs, how he decided to piece together and layer sounds in his songs. The belief that he did everything for himself (admittedly) is not balanced. But he is the name over the marquis. I would hope he did most of his own music and could still walk into a studio and lay down some tracks without forcing his band to jam for four hours straight first.

OldFriends4Sale said:

or maybe no matter what anyone says, 'if they highlight what others have done with Prince' then they are taking away from Prince's genius

I have years of threads highlighting Prince's genius from 1977 Demo/the Early years to the 2013 3rd Eye Girls years and individual songs and videos and award shows from diverse periods of Prince's timeline and you walk away saying 'you seem to not thing Prince is a genius'

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

here we go again Round & Round

just post it bro, stop insinuating, just post the link where she said it

See Reply #284

[Edited 5/21/17 13:21pm]

the link. I want to read the whole thing. Not your cut in paste.

OldFriends4Sale said:

paulludvig said:

See Reply #284

[Edited 5/21/17 13:21pm]

the link. I want to read the whole thing. Not your cut in paste.

Put the quote in the org search engine and you'll get a lot of hits

Original source? Even BartVanHemelen who paulludvig might be quoting (Reply #45) didn't provide a source.

That'd explain why paulludvig can't produce the original "source" At the very least maybe acknowledge that you're indirectly quoting somebody who doesn't have a citation for the original source.

paulludvig - what's the original source? We're all about facts right?

I can't find it and I have been looking for it. Last night, I read posts from 2011 about whether or not Prince was jealous of Wendy and LIsa. YOu defend their contributions but you also do tell a Jackson fan that he is exagerrating when he says Prince didn't write his songs. However, you also say (I believe) that even though they wouldn't claim credit, it doesn't mean they don't deserve a bit more. So I am not accused of putting words in your mouth. Just type in Prince Jealous of Wendy and Lisa in the search box.

As for the other comment, I am having trouble finding it (I jumped around after reading the stuff about Prince being jealous) ..so maybe it was someone else who said it. But Paulludvig called out that person out. My apologies if that is the case.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yes I do because if you are making an opinion about me based on what I said in 2011 then you need to be given substantial proof. If U choose to not read it but go on some presumption, then I don't know what else to say.

You will need to address individual people with those questions. Not put it all on me to answer.

purplerabbithole said:

You dont need to give me examples. But if the belief is that most of Prince's music is a collaboration, unless you specifically state he did this or that for a song then unfortunately the pandora box is open. Years talking and analysing his music could be construed as just talking about a large number of musical contributors working on songs falling under the name Prince. Its like when historians started to believe that maybe Shakespeare didn't write his own plays (that he was just a producer basically who paid for the theater troop that performed the plays). Well, we can say how great Shakespeare's plays are and still call them Shakespeare plays while also believing that the man formally known as William Shaxpear didn't actually write them.

I am just hoping for more balance. Are people actually writing about bass-lines, melodies, and hooks he came up with (I don't mean just taking out the base line of When Doves Cry being removed). Are people still talking about his vocal harmonizing with his own voice, the incidences where he did actually write his own songs without stealing them from jam sessions, how he led his jam sessions and threw out chord changes and ideas, the contributions he got rid and the ones he kept, his specific vision for songs, how he decided to piece together and layer sounds in his songs. The belief that he did everything for himself (admittedly) is not balanced. But he is the name over the marquis. I would hope he did most of his own music and could still walk into a studio and lay down some tracks without forcing his band to jam for four hours straight first.

GuyBros said:

Original source? Even BartVanHemelen who paulludvig might be quoting (Reply #45) didn't provide a source.

That'd explain why paulludvig can't produce the original "source" At the very least maybe acknowledge that you're indirectly quoting somebody who doesn't have a citation for the original source.

paulludvig - what's the original source? We're all about facts right?

I'll look for it. But jeez. We're talking about an interview from '98.

paulludvig said:

GuyBros said:

Original source? Even BartVanHemelen who paulludvig might be quoting (Reply #45) didn't provide a source.

That'd explain why paulludvig can't produce the original "source" At the very least maybe acknowledge that you're indirectly quoting somebody who doesn't have a citation for the original source.

paulludvig - what's the original source? We're all about facts right?

I'll look for it. But jeez. We're talking about an interview from '98.

Sure you will!

GuyBros said:

paulludvig said:

I'll look for it. But jeez. We're talking about an interview from '98.

Sure you will!

And when I find it you will have to admit that you have been wrong all along But of course you won't. Because you don't really care about facts.

HERE IS THE QUOTE THAT CAUSED OUR ARGUMENT>>>>> HOw do you think a newbie would read a line like that (in or out of context)? YOU didn't say the line but you didn't disagree with it or clarify. You appreciated the post (maybe in its entirety so maybe I am nitpicking) So, apologies for attributing the quote to you. But you can see how I might have interpreted as you agreeing that W and L did most of the music. Its like Prince's original songs were completed by them but their songs weren't even completed by Prince but merely worked on by the band and attributed to him.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Yes I do because if you are making an opinion about me based on what I said in 2011 then you need to be given substantial proof. If U choose to not read it but go on some presumption, then I don't know what else to say.

You will need to address individual people with those questions. Not put it all on me to answer.

purplerabbithole said:

You dont need to give me examples. But if the belief is that most of Prince's music is a collaboration, unless you specifically state he did this or that for a song then unfortunately the pandora box is open. Years talking and analysing his music could be construed as just talking about a large number of musical contributors working on songs falling under the name Prince. Its like when historians started to believe that maybe Shakespeare didn't write his own plays (that he was just a producer basically who paid for the theater troop that performed the plays). Well, we can say how great Shakespeare's plays are and still call them Shakespeare plays while also believing that the man formally known as William Shaxpear didn't actually write them.

I am just hoping for more balance. Are people actually writing about bass-lines, melodies, and hooks he came up with (I don't mean just taking out the base line of When Doves Cry being removed). Are people still talking about his vocal harmonizing with his own voice, the incidences where he did actually write his own songs without stealing them from jam sessions, how he led his jam sessions and threw out chord changes and ideas, the contributions he got rid and the ones he kept, his specific vision for songs, how he decided to piece together and layer sounds in his songs. The belief that he did everything for himself (admittedly) is not balanced. But he is the name over the marquis. I would hope he did most of his own music and could still walk into a studio and lay down some tracks without forcing his band to jam for four hours straight first.

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paulludvig said:

GuyBros said:

Sure you will!

And when I find it you will have to admit that you have been wrong all along But of course you won't. Because you don't really care about facts.

Admitting to being wrong about what?

I'm not presenting the argument here. You are throwing out claims, not me.