Eh, let em do it.

I can't go to hear songs that I need to hear P either play on or sing on. It'd be like trying to eat a NY bagel...from the freezer section of the grocery store, tastes meh, some folks like em but they're not nearly the same as a NY bagel. It'll fill your tummy, but it's not satisfying.

[Edited 4/8/17 7:19am]

I became a fan during the For You era and went through every band configuration over the years.

I like the Revolution, but it'll never be the same without P. Ever.

So I'll stick to my live performance video bootlegs and my memories.

donnyenglish said:

I became a fan in 1979 and a diehard fan in 1981. Most people here became diehards in 1984. The Revolution is probably his weakest band. They were an image for MTV more than a band. They are fine and there were some worthy collaborations but I have never understood the fascination with this band or era. He got better and edgier and more creative after the revolution left (1987-1988) and was better and edgier and more creative before they got there (1980-1982).

The Revolution was all for the image of the day. What I love about Prince is he was bold enough to change the musicians around him. I think some feel he should have kept the Revolution forever.

paulludvig said:

In a recent interview Wendy is asked what songs the Revolution will play on their upcoming tour. Her answer: "We will perform the catalog that belongs to our band. Everything from “I Would Die 4 U” to “Sign ‘O’ the Times.”" So now she implies that she had a hand in writing SOTT.

They never said that, you did.

You forget that Wendy & Lisa worked on production and played on stuff on Sign O The Times, and The Revolution was on that album in one full song. So for them to play "It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night" is quite reasonable. It's pretty obvious that they didn't write the title track, but if you remember where SOTT was derived from, you'll realize how much their band was part of stuff to that point.

I'm sorry but The Revolution's influence is all over SOTT. And I wouldn't be surprised if there are plenty of hooks and even lyrics that were uncredited on that album. I was a Prince diehard from day 1 to the end but remain puzzled why so many want to ignore and even deny the amazing contributions by Wendy, Lisa, Susannah and Eric to the majority of Prince's best and acclaimed work... Or maybe that just answered my own question.

Keep in mind that Wendy was in the room with Prince more than anyone else on this list. She has a better idea as to what she and the other members of the Revolution contributed. We know that Prince didn't give proper credit to people who did contribute to things over the years AND had been sued for it. I think the song Raspberry Beret is an example. In January of 2016 at a piano and microphone show Prince told a story how he met Lisa. He also said that during a jam session that Lisa came up with the main line to the music of Raspberry Beret. But yet she was not given proper credit for that. From that tape, she does have a good case to sue and get some back royalties that she is owed. I know I was shocked to hear him admit this. But not shocked to the fact that she did write it. How many other songs did he do this and not give proper credit? I would love to see the members of the Revolution come forward and write a book or books. Unfortunately what would be said (and this thread proves this) that people would say that they are lying. But the real loss is the book that Prince was going to write. This is the only book that some people on this list would believe. But would he have gotten honest and told the truth they way he did that that show? That's an answer we will never have. But the base of SOTT is Dream Factory. Wendy & Lisa and the rest of the Revolution were around that that point. What elements from when they were around were left when SOTT was released only the people involved will know. Wendy is one of those people....

He didn't say she wrote the song. He said she came up with the harpsichord opening part which he generously said is what made the song great.. Presumably he still wrote the melody and lyrics. There are Revolution members who said Prince wrote 90 percent of everything. Good Lord.

LEATHRSAIL said:

Keep in mind that Wendy was in the room with Prince more than anyone else on this list. She has a better idea as to what she and the other members of the Revolution contributed. We know that Prince didn't give proper credit to people who did contribute to things over the years AND had been sued for it. I think the song Raspberry Beret is an example. In January of 2016 at a piano and microphone show Prince told a story how he met Lisa. He also said that during a jam session that Lisa came up with the main line to the music of Raspberry Beret. But yet she was not given proper credit for that. From that tape, she does have a good case to sue and get some back royalties that she is owed. I know I was shocked to hear him admit this. But not shocked to the fact that she did write it. How many other songs did he do this and not give proper credit? I would love to see the members of the Revolution come forward and write a book or books. Unfortunately what would be said (and this thread proves this) that people would say that they are lying. But the real loss is the book that Prince was going to write. This is the only book that some people on this list would believe. But would he have gotten honest and told the truth they way he did that that show? That's an answer we will never have. But the base of SOTT is Dream Factory. Wendy & Lisa and the rest of the Revolution were around that that point. What elements from when they were around were left when SOTT was released only the people involved will know. Wendy is one of those people....

[Edited 4/9/17 9:31am]

paulludvig said:

In a recent interview Wendy is asked what songs the Revolution will play on their upcoming tour. Her answer: "We will perform the catalog that belongs to our band. Everything from “I Would Die 4 U” to “Sign ‘O’ the Times.”" So now she implies that she had a hand in writing SOTT. [Edited 4/8/17 7:20am]

No, I don't believe she's implying that at all, she's simply stating that they will play Prince repetoire for which they were directly involved as a band, not more or less. Revolution members were, in fact, present for recording a portion of Sign of the Times from instrumentation to background vocals.

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Y'all love to be in an uproar looking for boogeymen around the corner wherever anything with P is concerned.

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donnyenglish said:

I became a fan in 1979 and a diehard fan in 1981. Most people here became diehards in 1984. The Revolution is probably his weakest band. They were an image for MTV more than a band. They are fine and there were some worthy collaborations but I have never understood the fascination with this band or era. He got better and edgier and more creative after the revolution left (1987-1988) and was better and edgier and more creative before they got there (1980-1982).

U do know that the people who were (1980-1982) were still Bobby Z, Dr Fink, Lisa Coleman, BrownMark and even Wendy Melvoing right?

Ottensen said:

paulludvig said:

In a recent interview Wendy is asked what songs the Revolution will play on their upcoming tour. Her answer: "We will perform the catalog that belongs to our band. Everything from “I Would Die 4 U” to “Sign ‘O’ the Times.”" So now she implies that she had a hand in writing SOTT. [Edited 4/8/17 7:20am]

No, I don't believe she's implying that at all, she's simply stating that they will play Prince repetoire for which they were directly involved as a band, not more or less. Revolution members were, in fact, present for recording a portion of Sign of the Times from instrumentation to background vocals.

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Y'all love to be in an uproar looking for boogeymen around the corner wherever anything with P is concerned.

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I enjoy Paulludvig, but he has a thing with Melvoins, don't like em much... but follows their pages and such oops

paulludvig tried to push the idea that Wendy was not on Irresistable Bitch

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He should know the SOTT album music was a combination of the Dream Factory album music + Camille music all made during the PRince & the REvolution years.

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Sooner or later they and us will be too old or dead. So let them do the music.
those 'wives of Prince' though, that is the mess.
#Revolutionary Rock n Roll,

OldFriends4Sale said:

Ottensen said:

No, I don't believe she's implying that at all, she's simply stating that they will play Prince repetoire for which they were directly involved as a band, not more or less. Revolution members were, in fact, present for recording a portion of Sign of the Times from instrumentation to background vocals.

.

Y'all love to be in an uproar looking for boogeymen around the corner wherever anything with P is concerned.

.

I enjoy Paulludvig, but he has a thing with Melvoins, don't like em much... but follows their pages and such oops

paulludvig tried to push the idea that Wendy was not on Irresistable Bitch

.

He should know the SOTT album music was a combination of the Dream Factory album music + Camille music all made during the PRince & the REvolution years.

.

Sooner or later they and us will be too old or dead. So let them do the music.
those 'wives of Prince' though, that is the mess.
#Revolutionary Rock n Roll,

Heeeeey!

I'm not gonna die for at least another 30 years so I can come on The Org and find out what was unsealed in the autopsy report!

I've got a damned plan!

LBrent said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I enjoy Paulludvig, but he has a thing with Melvoins, don't like em much... but follows their pages and such oops

paulludvig tried to push the idea that Wendy was not on Irresistable Bitch

.

He should know the SOTT album music was a combination of the Dream Factory album music + Camille music all made during the PRince & the REvolution years.

.

Sooner or later they and us will be too old or dead. So let them do the music.
those 'wives of Prince' though, that is the mess.
#Revolutionary Rock n Roll,

Heeeeey!

I'm not gonna die for at least another 30 years so I can come on The Org and find out what was unsealed in the autopsy report!

I've got a damned plan!

LOL 4 sure, it should all be solved by then

hahah what will the Org be like in 30yrs virtual org? we still won't be able to post Prince videos lol

Even the stage set and a lot of the styles were planned during the REvolution period already

OldFriends4Sale said:

LEATHRSAIL said:

Keep in mind that Wendy was in the room with Prince more than anyone else on this list. She has a better idea as to what she and the other members of the Revolution contributed. We know that Prince didn't give proper credit to people who did contribute to things over the years AND had been sued for it. I think the song Raspberry Beret is an example. In January of 2016 at a piano and microphone show Prince told a story how he met Lisa. He also said that during a jam session that Lisa came up with the main line to the music of Raspberry Beret. But yet she was not given proper credit for that. From that tape, she does have a good case to sue and get some back royalties that she is owed. I know I was shocked to hear him admit this. But not shocked to the fact that she did write it. How many other songs did he do this and not give proper credit? I would love to see the members of the Revolution come forward and write a book or books. Unfortunately what would be said (and this thread proves this) that people would say that they are lying. But the real loss is the book that Prince was going to write. This is the only book that some people on this list would believe. But would he have gotten honest and told the truth they way he did that that show? That's an answer we will never have. But the base of SOTT is Dream Factory. Wendy & Lisa and the rest of the Revolution were around that that point. What elements from when they were around were left when SOTT was released only the people involved will know. Wendy is one of those people....

We really need whole books by band members to tell us "Hey, I came up with that one drum beat?"

Bravo. Great reaction.

rdhull said:

LEATHRSAIL said:

Keep in mind that Wendy was in the room with Prince more than anyone else on this list. She has a better idea as to what she and the other members of the Revolution contributed. We know that Prince didn't give proper credit to people who did contribute to things over the years AND had been sued for it. I think the song Raspberry Beret is an example. In January of 2016 at a piano and microphone show Prince told a story how he met Lisa. He also said that during a jam session that Lisa came up with the main line to the music of Raspberry Beret. But yet she was not given proper credit for that. From that tape, she does have a good case to sue and get some back royalties that she is owed. I know I was shocked to hear him admit this. But not shocked to the fact that she did write it. How many other songs did he do this and not give proper credit? I would love to see the members of the Revolution come forward and write a book or books. Unfortunately what would be said (and this thread proves this) that people would say that they are lying. But the real loss is the book that Prince was going to write. This is the only book that some people on this list would believe. But would he have gotten honest and told the truth they way he did that that show? That's an answer we will never have. But the base of SOTT is Dream Factory. Wendy & Lisa and the rest of the Revolution were around that that point. What elements from when they were around were left when SOTT was released only the people involved will know. Wendy is one of those people....

We really need whole books by band members to tell us "Hey, I came up with that one drum beat?"

donnyenglish said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

U do know that the people who were (1980-1982) were still Bobby Z, Dr Fink, Lisa Coleman, BrownMark and even Wendy Melvoing right?

I saw Prince in 1981 and 1982 several times and Wendy was not there. In 1980-1982 the band was mainly a backup band for touring and performances. The Revolution was more of a band concept that he wanted to portray. He still drove it but it was something different. It was cool, but some may say it actually was a distraction from his art for those of us that appreciate the Dirty Mind/Controversy/1999 and the SOTT/Lovesexy periods more than the PR/ATWIAD/Parade era. All of the periods were great, but I happen to rank the Revolution period third behind the other two.

all these people were in the camp.
Wendy knew Prince way back then in 1980 when Lisa joined the band, and sang on Free(1999) and Irresistable Bitch. She always played on some soundchecks during the Controvery/1999 tour.

the REvolution were not 'new members' most of them were there since 1978 and Bobby Z was drummer for 94 East.

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What was a distraction?

I've never heard anything about a distraction. The only time I heard anything about a distraction was someone saying the focus on the girl groups.

Prince in 1998 said they were a community.

Distraction from art? You mean art like Purple Rain, Computer Blue, the Beautiful Ones, Erotic City, God the Love theme/the Dance electric, the Dance Electric, 17 Days, When Doves Cry... the MOVIE lol
Around the World in a Day is a package of art and love 2 his fans as he said , and Parade? the timeless album. Here is what Jill Scott had to say about Parade: ‘It’s the clearest definition of creative freedom I have ever heard. I was 16 and went to see the film Under The Cherry Moon and fell in love. The soundtrack went from rock to computerized blues to jazz to pop and classical. I grew up listening to jazz and blues, to Ella Fitzgerald and Hendrix and, sure, I loved Bach and Mozart. But prince came along and amalgamated them all. The writing was so descriptive and colourful. I used to stay up and listen to the album over and over again on headphones. When everyone else was outside playing and running on a Saturday afternoon, I’d be locked in my bedroom or sat on my porch listening to the LP, and I’d be immediately transported away from all the problems in my neighbourhood to the French Riviera, where the film was set.

Prince uses so many different vocal tones and that was a real beginning for me. His voice would change to accommodate the story, the lyrics – something I choose to do with my music. Any poet, singer, writer wants to live in the moment of each and every song and this is the method by which to do it. He switches Anotherloverholenyohead to a song like Do U Lie (sings), ‘When I lie awake at night in my boudoir’ and automatically the sun comes out, the rays shine through the window, the room becomes light. The track Christopher Tracey’s Parade taught me a new sense of rhythm. Using a computer he created a different heart rhythm. You don’t listen to that song, you fall inside it and become it. He added car sounds – I mean, who did that in those days? And he sings like he never planned a thing, like they play the music and he’s not sure how it’s going to go he just opens his mouth and starts to sing. It doesn’t feel rehearsed but fresh, full of life.

It’s a classic album and lyrically an inspiration. He’s capable of being a very personal writer but he’s also very skilled. When you listen to the music the picture is always clear, the imagination is provoked – that’s the kind of writer I want to be. Like Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, he makes forever music.

The instrumentation is wonderful. He had a computer create the sound but didn’t falsify it by pretending it’s another instrument. He chose to play a computer as itself! His guitar – how he would go from being rock and out there and strong and immediately change the sound to sensitive and loving and soft – that is brilliance. I don’t know if the music was a genuine reflection of a part of his life or a fictional creation, but quite honestly I don’t care because I feel it regardless. I feel blessed just listening to this record.’ -Jill Scott

purplerabbithole said:

Bravo. Great reaction.

rdhull said:

We really need whole books by band members to tell us "Hey, I came up with that one drum beat?"

Would be better than all the Kitty Kelly type tattletale books that everyone on this site cling to as fact. But then again..... What else do everyone has to go off of than 3rd party written books. The interviews that they have been doing have shown they have far more to share than what has been said in the past. I personally would rather read a first person account than something written by someone who was interpreting someone elses experience. But you proved my comment that people on this list would not welcome it.

OldFriends4Sale said:

LBrent said:

Heeeeey!

I'm not gonna die for at least another 30 years so I can come on The Org and find out what was unsealed in the autopsy report!

I've got a damned plan!

LOL 4 sure, it should all be solved by then

hahah what will the Org be like in 30yrs virtual org? we still won't be able to post Prince videos lol

What will the org be like in 30 years?!

donnyenglish said:

I became a fan in 1979 and a diehard fan in 1981. Most people here became diehards in 1984. The Revolution is probably his weakest band. They were an image for MTV more than a band. They are fine and there were some worthy collaborations but I have never understood the fascination with this band or era. He got better and edgier and more creative after the revolution left (1987-1988) and was better and edgier and more creative before they got there (1980-1982).

Even though they had a few interesting ideas, they are over-rated due to emotion and nostalgia mostly. Any of Prince's bands except 3rdEG would smoke the Revolution. The Time smoked the Revolution.

I like Dr. Fink though.

As for Wendy's comments, she knows that it is best for them to stay in their lane if they have any hope of playing a decent show.

purplethunder3121 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

LOL 4 sure, it should all be solved by then

hahah what will the Org be like in 30yrs virtual org? we still won't be able to post Prince videos lol

What will the org be like in 30 years?!

It probably won't exist.

rdhull said:

LEATHRSAIL said:

Keep in mind that Wendy was in the room with Prince more than anyone else on this list. She has a better idea as to what she and the other members of the Revolution contributed. We know that Prince didn't give proper credit to people who did contribute to things over the years AND had been sued for it. I think the song Raspberry Beret is an example. In January of 2016 at a piano and microphone show Prince told a story how he met Lisa. He also said that during a jam session that Lisa came up with the main line to the music of Raspberry Beret. But yet she was not given proper credit for that. From that tape, she does have a good case to sue and get some back royalties that she is owed. I know I was shocked to hear him admit this. But not shocked to the fact that she did write it. How many other songs did he do this and not give proper credit? I would love to see the members of the Revolution come forward and write a book or books. Unfortunately what would be said (and this thread proves this) that people would say that they are lying. But the real loss is the book that Prince was going to write. This is the only book that some people on this list would believe. But would he have gotten honest and told the truth they way he did that that show? That's an answer we will never have. But the base of SOTT is Dream Factory. Wendy & Lisa and the rest of the Revolution were around that that point. What elements from when they were around were left when SOTT was released only the people involved will know. Wendy is one of those people....

We really need whole books by band members to tell us "Hey, I came up with that one drum beat?"

LMAO!

babynoz said:

purplethunder3121 said:

What will the org be like in 30 years?!

It probably won't exist.

Maybe it'll remain as an exclusive virtual online community for those of us in retirement homes.

purplethunder3121 said:

babynoz said:

It probably won't exist.

Maybe it'll remain as an exclusive virtual online community for those of us in retirement homes.

Hell, that ain't too far away,

babynoz said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Maybe it'll remain as an exclusive virtual online community for those of us in retirement homes.

Hell, that ain't too far away,

Nope! Guess I'll be dancing to Prince music on my walker until I throw my hip out!

[Edited 4/9/17 17:09pm]

LEATHRSAIL said:

purplerabbithole said:

Bravo. Great reaction.

Would be better than all the Kitty Kelly type tattletale books that everyone on this site cling to as fact. But then again..... What else do everyone has to go off of than 3rd party written books. The interviews that they have been doing have shown they have far more to share than what has been said in the past. I personally would rather read a first person account than something written by someone who was interpreting someone elses experience. But you proved my comment that people on this list would not welcome it.

I would love a book set, by eras

1. the Demo years (1976/77)

2. For You (1978 - )

3. Prince (1979 - )

4. Dirty Mind (1980 - )

5a. Controversy (1981 - )

b. the Time (1981 -)

and on and on

And have pieces by the people involved bandmembers, proteges, tourmanager, engineers, photographers, hair dresser/stylist etc

hardcover