Nothing about his situation is scandalous however, there are people making it appear that way so they can get paid which is sad. Somehow discussing the possibility of having a dancer come work for you over the phone has turned into Prince dating a 16 year old WTF. It is all to get internet clicks and ratings and reguardless of whether Mayte intended for this to happen she is responsible. Very few people outside of the fan community knew or cared about her until she put out this book.

TOB said:

lovely TOB. Am I mistaken to assume you are a writer by profession?

TOB said:

FUNNY

.

I woke up this morning in need,

wanting your care.

Rolling over half expecting to find you there.

Then imagining you were,

I then began,

running my fingers through your hair.

Funny.

.

Thoughts of caressing your cheeks,

Mind is again considering your lines.

From foot to thigh,

thigh to breast, hair and eyes,

Mind has me again on the rise…

Thinking… “next time

We’ll modify that six and nine.”

.

How this often happens is no surprise,

it’s just that I…

find,

it Funny

.

WHY?

.

My intellect seems a need to justify

A craving I cannot deny.

Stopping to analyze.

As if desire could be quantified.

By the contrast appeal of “Logic”

To that of “Want of Eye”

Or

so Says My Mind.

.

You see…

“My point is not to objectify…

the physical,

though may-be… the reason why…

I pry to unbind

that which lies behind

the meaning

leading all that is coming from the inside…

.

To find

a meeting of the minds…

And hoping

you too are so inclined”

…Funny.

.

That was all an attempt to justify

why I have your body always heavy on my mind

.

Behind my intellect

I attempt to hide.

.

My “Want”

I try to rationalize.

.

Knowing my nature is a yearning to be inside,

more than just your beautiful mind.

.

And It’s Funny, because

it is my intellect

that thinks you are So… Damn… FINE!!!

and I find… it Funny

.

.

.

.

Do you understand?

.

When I write it is meant to move a woman and make men think or rethink a certain way about a woman.

Do I succeed?

TOB said:

His use of pain-killers shouldn’t be scandalous.

The public shock or disbelief explains the reason why he felt he needed hide it.

Really, was this the first sign of him being human?

News Flash PRINCE is Normal!!!

Or World’s Greatest Performer hides pain from the world until it killed him…

That is just sad and my main issue with it are those who enabled it.

.

I am not playing into anything because for me it's not about the marriage or divorce.

It is solely about her age.

I can read between the lines and play Devil’s Advocate for everything after 1992.

On Amazon they advertise the book describing, “… their unconventional meeting backstage at a concert

(and the long-distance romance that followed), to their fairy-tale wedding...

.

This implies that he was continuously visiting and calling her romantically at 16,

until she later moves in when she was 17, and then on top of that he adopts her?

This is the teaser and I shouldn’t be disturbed by that.

.

.

When I first heard "And GOD Created Woman" it immediately reminded me of i.e. SHE.

That song was recorded in 1991...

.

I will get over my shock. It's not my life.

Expecting people, especially his fans, not to be shocked is not reasonable.

We are in disbelief, mad, sad at it appearing to be opportunistic, but someday we might get over it.

Just not at this moment.

People just should step back and let us vent.

For starters, it doesn't specify when the long-distance romance began after they met. It just states the book will talk about it.

Secondly, he didn't adopt her. He had legal guardianship of her. That just means he was given the legal ability to make decisions on behalf of a minor, such as giving her permission to travel, giving doctor's permission to treat her in a medical emergency, giving permission for her to be filmed in videos, etc. It does not make him her parent as an adoption would. My aunt and uncle had legal guardianship of my sister and I, for major decisions, they still had to get the permission from my parent (my father), however, they could seek medical care for us, give us permission to travel, enroll us in school, sign documents for us legally. That is not an adoption, that is a representative for the parents in the care of the minor child.

benni said:

TOB said:

His use of pain-killers shouldn’t be scandalous.

The public shock or disbelief explains the reason why he felt he needed hide it.

Really, was this the first sign of him being human?

News Flash PRINCE is Normal!!!

Or World’s Greatest Performer hides pain from the world until it killed him…

That is just sad and my main issue with it are those who enabled it.

.

I am not playing into anything because for me it's not about the marriage or divorce.

It is solely about her age.

I can read between the lines and play Devil’s Advocate for everything after 1992.

On Amazon they advertise the book describing, “… their unconventional meeting backstage at a concert

(and the long-distance romance that followed), to their fairy-tale wedding...

.

This implies that he was continuously visiting and calling her romantically at 16,

until she later moves in when she was 17, and then on top of that he adopts her?

This is the teaser and I shouldn’t be disturbed by that.

.

.

When I first heard "And GOD Created Woman" it immediately reminded me of i.e. SHE.

That song was recorded in 1991...

.

I will get over my shock. It's not my life.

Expecting people, especially his fans, not to be shocked is not reasonable.

We are in disbelief, mad, sad at it appearing to be opportunistic, but someday we might get over it.

Just not at this moment.

People just should step back and let us vent.

For starters, it doesn't specify when the long-distance romance began after they met. It just states the book will talk about it.

Secondly, he didn't adopt her. He had legal guardianship of her. That just means he was given the legal ability to make decisions on behalf of a minor, such as giving her permission to travel, giving doctor's permission to treat her in a medical emergency, giving permission for her to be filmed in videos, etc. It does not make him her parent as an adoption would. My aunt and uncle had legal guardianship of my sister and I, for major decisions, they still had to get the permission from my parent (my father), however, they could seek medical care for us, give us permission to travel, enroll us in school, sign documents for us legally. That is not an adoption, that is a representative for the parents in the care of the minor child.

Unless she changes something in the book she had said she was in school in Germany and they sent tapes back and forth and talked on the phone. Her family moved back to PR and they continued to talk and make arrangements for her to come work for him. I believe she has one of his notes concerning her tape in the book. Easy to fi nd out if she was in school in Germany when she was 16 or living in his house in Paisley Park. Me thinks Prince was not that fucking stupid to have a 16 year living in his house and appears to have done the same thing with Anna Fantasic waitng until she was 18 to have her come visit.

If he was a pedophile there would have been no waiting. Do I think him scooping out the women at 16 was ethical no but it is not illegal either and that fact that he did not get involved with her for a while kind of shows that he was interested in her in a serious manner. Like she said he courted her first and that they were just friends.

laurarichardson said:

benni said:

For starters, it doesn't specify when the long-distance romance began after they met. It just states the book will talk about it.

Secondly, he didn't adopt her. He had legal guardianship of her. That just means he was given the legal ability to make decisions on behalf of a minor, such as giving her permission to travel, giving doctor's permission to treat her in a medical emergency, giving permission for her to be filmed in videos, etc. It does not make him her parent as an adoption would. My aunt and uncle had legal guardianship of my sister and I, for major decisions, they still had to get the permission from my parent (my father), however, they could seek medical care for us, give us permission to travel, enroll us in school, sign documents for us legally. That is not an adoption, that is a representative for the parents in the care of the minor child.

Unless she changes something in the book she had said she was in school in Germany and they sent tapes back and forth and talked on the phone. Her family moved back to PR and they continued to talk and make arrangements for her to come work for him. I believe she has one of his notes concerning her tape in the book. Easy to fi nd out if she was in school in Germany when she was 16 or living in his house in Paisley Park. Me thinks Prince was not that fucking stupid to have a 16 year living in his house and appears to have done the same thing with Anna Fantasic waitng until she was 18 to have her come visit.

If he was a pedophile there would have been no waiting. Do I think him scooping out the women at 16 was ethical no but it is not illegal either and that fact that he did not get involved with her for a while kind of shows that he was interested in her in a serious manner. Like she said he courted her first and that they were just friends.

She specifically said in the book she was 17 1/2 when Prince received the legal guardianship of her, which is also the age a minor can become an emancipated minor. I was 17 1/2 when I became an emancipated minor and was thereafter considered an adult. He only had legal guardianship of her for about 6 months, until she turned 18 and was considered a legal adult. Even then, it was another year (when she was 19) before their relationship evolved into something sexual.

benni said:

TOB said:

His use of pain-killers shouldn’t be scandalous.

The public shock or disbelief explains the reason why he felt he needed hide it.

Really, was this the first sign of him being human?

News Flash PRINCE is Normal!!!

Or World’s Greatest Performer hides pain from the world until it killed him…

That is just sad and my main issue with it are those who enabled it.

.

I am not playing into anything because for me it's not about the marriage or divorce.

It is solely about her age.

I can read between the lines and play Devil’s Advocate for everything after 1992.

On Amazon they advertise the book describing, “… their unconventional meeting backstage at a concert

(and the long-distance romance that followed), to their fairy-tale wedding...

.

This implies that he was continuously visiting and calling her romantically at 16,

until she later moves in when she was 17, and then on top of that he adopts her?

This is the teaser and I shouldn’t be disturbed by that.

.

.

When I first heard "And GOD Created Woman" it immediately reminded me of i.e. SHE.

That song was recorded in 1991...

.

I will get over my shock. It's not my life.

Expecting people, especially his fans, not to be shocked is not reasonable.

We are in disbelief, mad, sad at it appearing to be opportunistic, but someday we might get over it.

Just not at this moment.

People just should step back and let us vent.

For starters, it doesn't specify when the long-distance romance began after they met. It just states the book will talk about it.

Secondly, he didn't adopt her. He had legal guardianship of her. That just means he was given the legal ability to make decisions on behalf of a minor, such as giving her permission to travel, giving doctor's permission to treat her in a medical emergency, giving permission for her to be filmed in videos, etc. It does not make him her parent as an adoption would. My aunt and uncle had legal guardianship of my sister and I, for major decisions, they still had to get the permission from my parent (my father), however, they could seek medical care for us, give us permission to travel, enroll us in school, sign documents for us legally. That is not an adoption, that is a representative for the parents in the care of the minor child.

And "implies" means she didn't specify...

so unless she meant the romance began 3 years later while he was living out of the area,

adding and "specifying" "3 years later" isn't difficult. Which means it was intended to mislead.

.

If she "specified" guardianship in her book, that is helpful to know regarding an annulment or divorce and published records of a divorce, which was the issue being spectulated.

TOB said:

benni said:

For starters, it doesn't specify when the long-distance romance began after they met. It just states the book will talk about it.

Secondly, he didn't adopt her. He had legal guardianship of her. That just means he was given the legal ability to make decisions on behalf of a minor, such as giving her permission to travel, giving doctor's permission to treat her in a medical emergency, giving permission for her to be filmed in videos, etc. It does not make him her parent as an adoption would. My aunt and uncle had legal guardianship of my sister and I, for major decisions, they still had to get the permission from my parent (my father), however, they could seek medical care for us, give us permission to travel, enroll us in school, sign documents for us legally. That is not an adoption, that is a representative for the parents in the care of the minor child.

And "implies" means she didn't specify...

so unless she meant the romance began 3 years later while he was living out of the area,

adding and "specifying" "3 years later" isn't difficult. Which means it was intended to mislead.

.

If she "specified" guardianship in her book, that is helpful to know regarding an annulment or divorce and published records of a divorce, which was the issue being spectulated.

My point is that one can look at it however they wish to interpret to it. Since she was not specific, I did not look at it to mean a romance that began immediately when she was that young. My mind does not work that way, to sexualize a young girl. But if your does... And you cannot speak to her intentions, as you do not know her intentions. Again, any implied intentions that you see within whatever, is based upon what you want to see, what you perceive, and has no baring on truth of what Mayte intended, because no one can speak to her intent, but her. Anything anyone else states as her intent, without knowing her and speaking with her and hearing her state for herself what her intentions are/were, are just blowing smoke and trying to cause controversy.

Would you feel comfortable if everyone started looking at implications of anything Denise said, "This is what she intended." Or for that matter, to look at things you've posted about Denise, and say, "Well, some of what he posted, implied this, that, or the other, so his intent was to give an idea that he and Denise were involved sexually."? I don't think you would like anyone to state emphatically what your intentions are if you have not stated your own intentions.

She stated emphatically that he obtained legal guardianship.

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[Edited 4/5/17 14:13pm]

benni said:

Thank you benni....you have a very thoughtful, clear, concise manner of relaying information; however, I find it so very sad that Mayte always has to be defended. She has done absolutely nothing, other than love Prince, to deserve such scrutiny.

benni said:

My point is that one can look at it however they wish to interpret to it. Since she was not specific, I did not look at it to mean a romance that began immediately when she was that young. My mind does not work that way, to sexualize a young girl. But if your does... And you cannot speak to her intentions, as you do not know her intentions. Again, any implied intentions that you see within whatever, is based upon what you want to see, what you perceive, and has no baring on truth of what Mayte intended, because no one can speak to her intent, but her. Anything anyone else states as her intent, without knowing her and speaking with her and hearing her state for herself what her intentions are/were, are just blowing smoke and trying to cause controversy.

Would you feel comfortable if everyone started looking at implications of anything Denise said, "This is what she intended." Or for that matter, to look at things you've posted about Denise, and say, "Well, some of what he posted, implied this, that, or the other, so his intent was to give an idea that he and Denise were involved sexually."? I don't think you would like anyone to state emphatically what your intentions are if you have not stated your own intentions.

She stated emphatically that he obtained legal guardianship.

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[Edited 4/5/17 14:13pm]

I think one can interpret her intention of wanting to be involved in his show somehow because she (her mother, father, whomever) gave him the tape, he did not seek her out. Anything after that would be conjecture. One can also interpret intent by what is left unsaid as well, especially when the person who has the information won't tell the whole story.

benni said:

TOB said:

And "implies" means she didn't specify...

so unless she meant the romance began 3 years later while he was living out of the area,

adding and "specifying" "3 years later" isn't difficult. Which means it was intended to mislead.

.

If she "specified" guardianship in her book, that is helpful to know regarding an annulment or divorce and published records of a divorce, which was the issue being spectulated.

My point is that one can look at it however they wish to interpret to it. Since she was not specific, I did not look at it to mean a romance that began immediately when she was that young. My mind does not work that way, to sexualize a young girl. But if your does... And you cannot speak to her intentions, as you do not know her intentions. Again, any implied intentions that you see within whatever, is based upon what you want to see, what you perceive, and has no baring on truth of what Mayte intended, because no one can speak to her intent, but her. Anything anyone else states as her intent, without knowing her and speaking with her and hearing her state for herself what her intentions are/were, are just blowing smoke and trying to cause controversy.

Would you feel comfortable if everyone started looking at implications of anything Denise said, "This is what she intended." Or for that matter, to look at things you've posted about Denise, and say, "Well, some of what he posted, implied this, that, or the other, so his intent was to give an idea that he and Denise were involved sexually."? I don't think you would like anyone to state emphatically what your intentions are if you have not stated your own intentions.

She stated emphatically that he obtained legal guardianship.

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Assuming you're a woman? If you have experience with men, you must surely know that they are visual creatures and are wired differently than women when it comes to sex. At 16, Mayte was not exactly pre-pubescent, her body was probably not that far from looking like a young adult woman- curves and all by that age. Prince was a ladies man to the max, and you better believe he was eyeing that from day one. Even if he was only going to be her boss, the tapes she was sending him of her belly dancing (provocative and sexy) would certainly be entertainment and turn on for any man of any age, especially him. I have seen grown, adult men eyeing teenage girls dressed skimpy in CHURCH. Doesn't mean they are ready to go have sex, but it's easy for them imagine and have thoughts. So just because you don't think that way, doesn't mean men don't.

No one can speak for Mayte's intent, not even you. You see what you want to see when it comes to her as well. It doesn't make it the truth.

And have you got no other way to prove your point without throwing Denise into this mix? This conversation isn't about her. It's disrespectful of you to use someone, who has passed on, in an example in this way.

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Misslink88 said:

benni said:

My point is that one can look at it however they wish to interpret to it. Since she was not specific, I did not look at it to mean a romance that began immediately when she was that young. My mind does not work that way, to sexualize a young girl. But if your does... And you cannot speak to her intentions, as you do not know her intentions. Again, any implied intentions that you see within whatever, is based upon what you want to see, what you perceive, and has no baring on truth of what Mayte intended, because no one can speak to her intent, but her. Anything anyone else states as her intent, without knowing her and speaking with her and hearing her state for herself what her intentions are/were, are just blowing smoke and trying to cause controversy.

Would you feel comfortable if everyone started looking at implications of anything Denise said, "This is what she intended." Or for that matter, to look at things you've posted about Denise, and say, "Well, some of what he posted, implied this, that, or the other, so his intent was to give an idea that he and Denise were involved sexually."? I don't think you would like anyone to state emphatically what your intentions are if you have not stated your own intentions.

She stated emphatically that he obtained legal guardianship.

[Edited 4/5/17 14:11pm]

[Edited 4/5/17 14:13pm]

I think one can interpret her intention of wanting to be involved in his show somehow because she (her mother, father, whomever) gave him the tape, he did not seek her out. Anything after that would be conjecture. One can also interpret intent by what is left unsaid as well, especially when the person who has the information won't tell the whole story.

THIS! He was not pursuing her. She and her parents were doing the pursuing. As I said in post above, her belly dancing was provocative and sexy. What man isn't going to desire a woman who can move her hips?

purplegirl00 said:

THIS! He was not pursuing her. She and her parents were doing the pursuing. As I said in post above, her belly dancing was provocative and sexy. What man isn't going to desire a woman who can move her hips?

Uummm, he pursued her. The mom gave Kirk the tape and Kirk took it to Prince. Prince immediately watched it, and had Kirk ask Mayte and her mom to come over and meet him. They were in Germany. He pursued her..called her all the time, sent cars for her, spent a lot of time with her. She was 16.

Y'all know I love me some P...But...That damned china is hideous. I get it, the design and his reason for it and all...But it's awful.

No amount of "purple bounce bounce from the Purple Yoda from the heart of Minnesota" would've convinced me to accept that china, Lenox or not, and display it in my home. Ugh

Sorry to those I might've offended cuz you like it.

PennyPurple said:

purplegirl00 said:

THIS! He was not pursuing her. She and her parents were doing the pursuing. As I said in post above, her belly dancing was provocative and sexy. What man isn't going to desire a woman who can move her hips?

Uummm, he pursued her. The mom gave Kirk the tape and Kirk took it to Prince. Prince immediately watched it, and had Kirk ask Mayte and her mom to come over and meet him. They were in Germany. He pursued her..called her all the time, sent cars for her, spent a lot of time with her. She was 16.

It was her parents' idea to find him and make sure he had the tape in the first place. They kept pushing it and pushing it until the tape was in his hands. He responded with the actions you listed above and then it took off from there. However, it started with her and her parents. He didn't seek her first.

LBrent said:

Y'all know I love me some P...But...That damned china is hideous. I get it, the design and his reason for it and all...But it's awful.

No amount of "purple bounce bounce from the Purple Yoda from the heart of Minnesota" would've convinced me to accept that china, Lenox or not, and display it in my home. Ugh

Sorry to those I might've offended cuz you like it.

morningsong said:

LBrent said:

Y'all know I love me some P...But...That damned china is hideous. I get it, the design and his reason for it and all...But it's awful.

No amount of "purple bounce bounce from the Purple Yoda from the heart of Minnesota" would've convinced me to accept that china, Lenox or not, and display it in my home. Ugh

Sorry to those I might've offended cuz you like it.

laurarichardson said:

Nothing about his situation is scandalous however, there are people making it appear that way so they can get paid which is sad. Somehow discussing the possibility of having a dancer come work for you over the phone has turned into Prince dating a 16 year old WTF. It is all to get internet clicks and ratings and reguardless of whether Mayte intended for this to happen she is responsible. Very few people outside of the fan community knew or cared about her until she put out this book. TOB said:

His use of pain-killers shouldn’t be scandalous.

The public shock or disbelief explains the reason why he felt he needed hide it.

Really, was this the first sign of him being human?

News Flash PRINCE is Normal!!!

Or World’s Greatest Performer hides pain from the world until it killed him…

That is just sad and my main issue with it are those who enabled it.

.

I am not playing into anything because for me it's not about the marriage or divorce.

It is solely about her age.

I can read between the lines and play Devil’s Advocate for everything after 1992.

On Amazon they advertise the book describing, “… their unconventional meeting backstage at a concert

(and the long-distance romance that followed), to their fairy-tale wedding...

.

This implies that he was continuously visiting and calling her romantically at 16,

until she later moves in when she was 17, and then on top of that he adopts her?

This is the teaser and I shouldn’t be disturbed by that.

.

.

When I first heard "And GOD Created Woman" it immediately reminded me of i.e. SHE.

That song was recorded in 1991...

.

I will get over my shock. It's not my life.

Expecting people, especially his fans, not to be shocked is not reasonable.

We are in disbelief, mad, sad at it appearing to be opportunistic, but someday we might get over it.

Just not at this moment.

People just should step back and let us vent.

Laurarichardson… I am sorry for my poetic outburst on your thread.

I meant to apologize within the post last night but got sidetracked, overwhelmed in my efforts to explain and make Pennypurple understand this isn’t a Harlequin Romance; but then again ironically it is indeed, harlequin.

.

Trying to convince or tell people what to think is exactly it.

Show evidence of attempting to correct the misunderstanding, otherwise leave us to believe it deliberate.

A delibrate falsehood "implied!!!!!!!!"

I’m sorry for forcing you and Vashtix to openly explain this delicate issue to me.

I felt like I was told to pick a side or get off the ride before I decided where I wish to stand, or sit.

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The excerpts prior to release as a tease to promote her story, will forever weigh heavily against whatever else she has to say. A strategic marketing decision that also reflects conscious intent, an awareness, targeting specific selling points.

The ones I’ve read, which seem to be prior to release, leaves fans nothing to do but push back and attack.

.

.

I am consciously aware of the damage I could do to Denise’s memory.

I am aware that I could promote my own interest, capitalize and profit FROM THEIR DEATHS.

Of this I am constantly reminded by those who want what I have and those who question my agenda with my activity here.

From the moment I stepped on to this site after Denise died, I have never once attempted to defend anything about Vanity or Denise. I don’t defend her published book, her style of writing, her acting, her beauty, her singing, her paintings, poetry, artwork or preaching, and definitely not whether she did or did not mean anything to Prince.

.

Of the people in Denise’s life that truly knew her, DeBorah and I were probably the most critical of her.

Aware that when she was publicly speaking that she used her relationship with Prince, her celebrity and fame to preach mostly a cautionary tale.

Over the phone Denise could get away with preaching at DeBorah, but face to face, with Debbie looking at her like… “This is me you’re talking to” Denise would always end up caving.

DeBorah’s look of… I know you… I saw you… we did and done, we been there done that… “Together” remember? Denise is then forced to reflect upon those happy times in her past, back being Vanity which allows them to speak as fun loving crazy sisters.

I took my observation to mean that Vanity/Denise is aware that she had done somethings that she will never allow herself to forget.

Denise was not constantly online attempting to exalt Vanity as the most significant woman in Prince’s life. Those that have watched me engage here know I have resisted becoming involved in these Prince Women team warring factions.

It’s not that I don’t want to defend Denise, it’s just that I don’t think she needs defending.

It was my wish to reveal more about Denise’s early life, budding career and as an artist. An artist that Prince knew, as he later discovered. However, in doing so I found that I am forced to acknowledge and contend with the fact that he had a significance influence in her life. Which I am still realizing its depths. Even if I find it to be unrequited, or one-side so be it. It is only about how she sees it. Her stories about “Once Upon a Time.”

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With my poetry it seemed easier to show how my mind works and where it goes to under given circumstances. I’m analytical and deliberately intended to suggest, infer, imply or say what I did for a specific reason.

I am saying, if I were involved with publishing, recording, stating, saying anything regarding Denise I would expect to be held accountable for all misunderstandings, misinterpretations and would plan to have a vehicle (i.e. an official website, Facebook, Twitter, Prince.org account) immediately available to answer, correct and clear up any misgivings.

Otherwise, just my saying read the book, with no explaining or “spoiler alerts” provided, you are left to assume that all misconceptions were tactical, calculating and a strategic decision, deliberately intend to mislead for the sake of publicity.

.

I get it. It’s part of the business. Back in the day, Prince was the master at it. The priceless cost of “shock value.”

.

Now having coming full circle, back to where I began in this thread. A lifetime ago, before I knew anything about this. I say again…

Whom does it benefit most and Is it worth it?

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[Edited 4/5/17 19:36pm]

Misslink88 said:

benni said:

My point is that one can look at it however they wish to interpret to it. Since she was not specific, I did not look at it to mean a romance that began immediately when she was that young. My mind does not work that way, to sexualize a young girl. But if your does... And you cannot speak to her intentions, as you do not know her intentions. Again, any implied intentions that you see within whatever, is based upon what you want to see, what you perceive, and has no baring on truth of what Mayte intended, because no one can speak to her intent, but her. Anything anyone else states as her intent, without knowing her and speaking with her and hearing her state for herself what her intentions are/were, are just blowing smoke and trying to cause controversy.

Would you feel comfortable if everyone started looking at implications of anything Denise said, "This is what she intended." Or for that matter, to look at things you've posted about Denise, and say, "Well, some of what he posted, implied this, that, or the other, so his intent was to give an idea that he and Denise were involved sexually."? I don't think you would like anyone to state emphatically what your intentions are if you have not stated your own intentions.

She stated emphatically that he obtained legal guardianship.

[Edited 4/5/17 14:11pm]

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I think one can interpret her intention of wanting to be involved in his show somehow because she (her mother, father, whomever) gave him the tape, he did not seek her out. Anything after that would be conjecture. One can also interpret intent by what is left unsaid as well, especially when the person who has the information won't tell the whole story.

But he did seek her out. Prince supposedly admitted that he never accepted tapes like that, or watched them immediately, and then he wanted her number and called her repeatedly. He could have taken the tape, thrown it away, and never tried to contact her. As for "interpreting intent" by what is said or not said, then it is merely an interpretation. The only one that knows the intent is Mayte, and anyone that states otherwise, is only stating their conjecture of what they think the intent is. I don't know her intent and would never state that I do. Just as I cannot know what anyone else's intent is, unless they tell me. I can interpret their actions, can interpret their words, and come up with what I THINK their intent is, but only they truly know.

NotACleverName said:

benni said:

My point is that one can look at it however they wish to interpret to it. Since she was not specific, I did not look at it to mean a romance that began immediately when she was that young. My mind does not work that way, to sexualize a young girl. But if your does... And you cannot speak to her intentions, as you do not know her intentions. Again, any implied intentions that you see within whatever, is based upon what you want to see, what you perceive, and has no baring on truth of what Mayte intended, because no one can speak to her intent, but her. Anything anyone else states as her intent, without knowing her and speaking with her and hearing her state for herself what her intentions are/were, are just blowing smoke and trying to cause controversy.

Would you feel comfortable if everyone started looking at implications of anything Denise said, "This is what she intended." Or for that matter, to look at things you've posted about Denise, and say, "Well, some of what he posted, implied this, that, or the other, so his intent was to give an idea that he and Denise were involved sexually."? I don't think you would like anyone to state emphatically what your intentions are if you have not stated your own intentions.

She stated emphatically that he obtained legal guardianship.

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Thank you benni....you have a very thoughtful, clear, concise manner of relaying information; however, I find it so very sad that Mayte always has to be defended. She has done absolutely nothing, other than love Prince, to deserve such scrutiny.

Thank you. For myself, I've always tried to defend the underdog, whomever that might, because I've been on the receiving end of rumors and speculations and bullying and hate that anyone has to go through that.

purplegirl00 said:

benni said:

My point is that one can look at it however they wish to interpret to it. Since she was not specific, I did not look at it to mean a romance that began immediately when she was that young. My mind does not work that way, to sexualize a young girl. But if your does... And you cannot speak to her intentions, as you do not know her intentions. Again, any implied intentions that you see within whatever, is based upon what you want to see, what you perceive, and has no baring on truth of what Mayte intended, because no one can speak to her intent, but her. Anything anyone else states as her intent, without knowing her and speaking with her and hearing her state for herself what her intentions are/were, are just blowing smoke and trying to cause controversy.

Would you feel comfortable if everyone started looking at implications of anything Denise said, "This is what she intended." Or for that matter, to look at things you've posted about Denise, and say, "Well, some of what he posted, implied this, that, or the other, so his intent was to give an idea that he and Denise were involved sexually."? I don't think you would like anyone to state emphatically what your intentions are if you have not stated your own intentions.

She stated emphatically that he obtained legal guardianship.

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Assuming you're a woman? If you have experience with men, you must surely know that they are visual creatures and are wired differently than women when it comes to sex. At 16, Mayte was not exactly pre-pubescent, her body was probably not that far from looking like a young adult woman- curves and all by that age. Prince was a ladies man to the max, and you better believe he was eyeing that from day one. Even if he was only going to be her boss, the tapes she was sending him of her belly dancing (provocative and sexy) would certainly be entertainment and turn on for any man of any age, especially him. I have seen grown, adult men eyeing teenage girls dressed skimpy in CHURCH. Doesn't mean they are ready to go have sex, but it's easy for them imagine and have thoughts. So just because you don't think that way, doesn't mean men don't.

No one can speak for Mayte's intent, not even you. You see what you want to see when it comes to her as well. It doesn't make it the truth.

And have you got no other way to prove your point without throwing Denise into this mix? This conversation isn't about her. It's disrespectful of you to use someone, who has passed on, in an example in this way.

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That may be the case with how men are, however, to imply that Mayte's intent was to make people think a certain way or question Prince? Nah, doesn't sit right with me. But, then again, maybe that is exactly what she wanted to do. I cannot say one way or the other but to jump on a bash Mayte bandwagon because I think maybe that might have been her intent? I won't do that. It's just not cool. Besides, if that was her intent, it would have had much more impact and done more harm to have done that while Prince was alive. To do so now, has no impact except in the minds of Prince fans.

And you are right, I can't speak to Mayte's intent. I'm not trying to.

Regarding Denise, TOB is her brother-in-law, and he has brought her up many times. There have been many things he has said that had caused me to question his intent. However, he stated what his intent was, and therefore, I accept what he stated. However, since he comes on here to mainly talk about Denise, then the only example that could be used to show him that interpreting intent is a two-edged sword was Denise. There is nothing else known about him to use as an example.

gingerwildwood said:

lovely TOB. Am I mistaken to assume you are a writer by profession?

TOB said:

FUNNY

Thank you

Yes, you are mistaken. I am not a professional writer and do not publish, I just enjoy writing.

The posts was intended show my reverence and how I've been inspired women.

benni said:

TOB said:

And "implies" means she didn't specify...

so unless she meant the romance began 3 years later while he was living out of the area,

adding and "specifying" "3 years later" isn't difficult. Which means it was intended to mislead.

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If she "specified" guardianship in her book, that is helpful to know regarding an annulment or divorce and published records of a divorce, which was the issue being spectulated.

My point is that one can look at it however they wish to interpret to it. Since she was not specific, I did not look at it to mean a romance that began immediately when she was that young. My mind does not work that way, to sexualize a young girl. But if your does... And you cannot speak to her intentions, as you do not know her intentions. Again, any implied intentions that you see within whatever, is based upon what you want to see, what you perceive, and has no baring on truth of what Mayte intended, because no one can speak to her intent, but her. Anything anyone else states as her intent, without knowing her and speaking with her and hearing her state for herself what her intentions are/were, are just blowing smoke and trying to cause controversy.

Would you feel comfortable if everyone started looking at implications of anything Denise said, "This is what she intended." Or for that matter, to look at things you've posted about Denise, and say, "Well, some of what he posted, implied this, that, or the other, so his intent was to give an idea that he and Denise were involved sexually."? I don't think you would like anyone to state emphatically what your intentions are if you have not stated your own intentions.

She stated emphatically that he obtained legal guardianship.

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I’m very comfortable with whatever Denise has said about me.

Even if we disagree, I’d state what she believed.

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I expect my intent to be questioned. I have invited and welcome it.

My hope would be to have to explain things only once. To people who have read me.

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I’m certain I would remember if Denise and I ever had a sexual encounter. And “NO” it never happened.

If it had occurred I’d have no reason to deny it, especially since I recently discovered most people have assumed it anyway.

Thus making it understandable and very easy to explain.

And if we had, the person I am, the person I present myself as, I’d either wouldn’t be on this site or I would have mentioned it long ago and gotten it out of the way.

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I wouldn’t allow it to be used as a tease to capitalize on the anniversary of her death.

Even if unintended I'd make for damn sure it was removed the second I knew it.

purplegirl00 said:

PennyPurple said:

Uummm, he pursued her. The mom gave Kirk the tape and Kirk took it to Prince. Prince immediately watched it, and had Kirk ask Mayte and her mom to come over and meet him. They were in Germany. He pursued her..called her all the time, sent cars for her, spent a lot of time with her. She was 16.

It was her parents' idea to find him and make sure he had the tape in the first place. They kept pushing it and pushing it until the tape was in his hands. He responded with the actions you listed above and then it took off from there. However, it started with her and her parents. He didn't seek her first.

I agree her parents relentlessly pursued him and allowed their daughter to visit P in his hotel room alone. They are responsible for placing their daughter in P's orbit. BTW, Mayte is now said to be 47 so working backwards, it appears that she was born in 1969 and not 1971 as her birth year is often stated. Prince asked her if she was really 16 when he met her. This is because she probably looked older than 16. It is not unusual for people in showbiz to shave off a couple of years off their age. Both MJ and Prince has a couple of years shaved off their age when they were younger. I am not sure why her parents brought up the issue of him being her guardian. I certainly hope that they are not trying to position her to make a claim on P's Estate.

bibrose said:

purplegirl00 said:

It was her parents' idea to find him and make sure he had the tape in the first place. They kept pushing it and pushing it until the tape was in his hands. He responded with the actions you listed above and then it took off from there. However, it started with her and her parents. He didn't seek her first.

I agree her parents relentlessly pursued him and allowed their daughter to visit P in his hotel room alone. They are responsible for placing their daughter in P's orbit. BTW, Mayte is now said to be 47 so working backwards, it appears that she was born in 1969 and not 1971 as her birth year is often stated. Prince asked her if she was really 16 when he met her. This is because she probably looked older than 16. It is not unusual for people in showbiz to shave off a couple of years off their age. Both MJ and Prince has a couple of years shaved off their age when they were younger. I am not sure why her parents brought up the issue of him being her guardian. I certainly hope that they are not trying to position her to make a claim on P's Estate.

I personally wouldnt mind one single bit If Mayte recieved something from his estate....

Lovejunky said:

Why she is the one going around stating they were divorced so she is not going to get nothing. She has plastered his face on her book and is making money off of him right now and that is enough.

bibrose said:

purplegirl00 said:

It was her parents' idea to find him and make sure he had the tape in the first place. They kept pushing it and pushing it until the tape was in his hands. He responded with the actions you listed above and then it took off from there. However, it started with her and her parents. He didn't seek her first.

I agree her parents relentlessly pursued him and allowed their daughter to visit P in his hotel room alone. They are responsible for placing their daughter in P's orbit. BTW, Mayte is now said to be 47 so working backwards, it appears that she was born in 1969 and not 1971 as her birth year is often stated. Prince asked her if she was really 16 when he met her. This is because she probably looked older than 16. It is not unusual for people in showbiz to shave off a couple of years off their age. Both MJ and Prince has a couple of years shaved off their age when they were younger. I am not sure why her parents brought up the issue of him being her guardian. I certainly hope that they are not trying to position her to make a claim on P's Estate.

Her sister was born in 1969. Mayte was born in 1973. Her parents did NOT relentlessly pursue him.

TOB said:

benni said:

My point is that one can look at it however they wish to interpret to it. Since she was not specific, I did not look at it to mean a romance that began immediately when she was that young. My mind does not work that way, to sexualize a young girl. But if your does... And you cannot speak to her intentions, as you do not know her intentions. Again, any implied intentions that you see within whatever, is based upon what you want to see, what you perceive, and has no baring on truth of what Mayte intended, because no one can speak to her intent, but her. Anything anyone else states as her intent, without knowing her and speaking with her and hearing her state for herself what her intentions are/were, are just blowing smoke and trying to cause controversy.

Would you feel comfortable if everyone started looking at implications of anything Denise said, "This is what she intended." Or for that matter, to look at things you've posted about Denise, and say, "Well, some of what he posted, implied this, that, or the other, so his intent was to give an idea that he and Denise were involved sexually."? I don't think you would like anyone to state emphatically what your intentions are if you have not stated your own intentions.

She stated emphatically that he obtained legal guardianship.

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I’m very comfortable with whatever Denise has said about me.

Even if we disagree, I’d state what she believed.

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I expect my intent to be questioned. I have invited and welcome it.

My hope would be to have to explain things only once. To people who have read me.

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I’m certain I would remember if Denise and I ever had a sexual encounter. And “NO” it never happened.

If it had occurred I’d have no reason to deny it, especially since I recently discovered most people have assumed it anyway.

Thus making it understandable and very easy to explain.

And if we had, the person I am, the person I present myself as, I’d either wouldn’t be on this site or I would have mentioned it long ago and gotten it out of the way.

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I wouldn’t allow it to be used as a tease to capitalize on the anniversary of her death.

Even if unintended I'd make for damn sure it was removed the second I knew it.

Again, my point is, there is a difference between questioning the intent and stating emphatically what someone else's intent is. With Mayte, above, you stated emphatically "this was her intent". There was no question there.

benni said:

I stated my intent.

PennyPurple said:

If her parents came to him the were pursuing him. Stop your bull right now. Her parents wanted her to hook up with him. Even the British could see it.

TOB said:

benni said:

Again, my point is, there is a difference between questioning the intent and stating emphatically what someone else's intent is. With Mayte, above, you stated emphatically "this was her intent". There was no question there.

I stated my intent.

Yes, but you also stated Mayte's intent and there is no way for you to know her intent. That is my point. There is no way for me to know her intent, either. And any statement to the contrary is just supposition on everyone's parts based upon their own perceptions and understanding of the world around them. Their supposition reflects them as a person, and does not necessarily jive with the one they are supposing about.