bibrose said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

SpookyNopetopus said: I was talking about her parents, not under age sex, that was your impute

I agree. We are talking about the parents' responsibility. They seem to be getting a pass while P is slammed for his involvement with a 16 year old girl. They need to be held accountable for their decision to hand their daughter over to P -- an unmarried young man in his prime with several girlfriends at the time.

Who is slamming Prince for his involvement with Mayte? She was pretty adament in her book that nothing happened between them until she was 19. So all this talk about him being involved with a 16 year old, is just people talking because they want to stir the pot. Mayte made sure to let people know that everything between 16 and 19 was kept platonic.

NotACleverName said:

Fine..."dissect" and "discuss" to your heart's content. That is what the premise of the Book Club thread is. If you have read the book and would like to participate, the option is yours. However, you will notice that the dialogue, which may or may not differ in view and perception, is civil and respectful. The discourse occurs when there are comments made that go beyond the pale. Such as shaming her for mourning the death of her and Prince's beloved son in her way (sobbing in bed while clutching Ahmir's urn), for obliging her Mother's enthusiasm to further her career by seeking out one who has the means to do so (preparing an audition tape for Prince), and it goes on. How does that add value to the conversation? Frankly, THAT is childish behavior. And, "holding the parent's responsible for their inappropriate conduct" comment is an opinion, not a widely held belief. And the absolute audacity of that statement is mind boggling! WHO has the right to judge another's actions or decisions? They know their daughter better than anyone and Prince assured her Mother that she would be safe in his care at the hotel. And, please, how can someone, who is outside looking in, claim to know Mayte's story (HER memories) more accurately than the author herself? That's simply ludicrous thinking.

Thank you, you've said it perfectly.

bibrose said:

Thanks - Lovejunky and NotACleverName, for years P has been blamed for messing Mayte up. It is appropriate for me to point out that her parents put her in close proximity to him. So why is he blamed for messing her up?

Nobody is disputing Mayte's memories; however, when she makes factual statements that are not true they need to be pointed out to her. A case in point is the video of the song "The Greatest Song That's Ever Been Sold" which she refers to as a "down and dirty" video that P made with a dancer from the Crazy Horse Cabaret place in Paris. The video is not "down and dirty". That is her opinion. The video was beautifully made.


The princial dancer in the video is Desray Junca, a woman from Cape Town, South Africa. P dated her from 1999 to 2001 before he married Mani. She said P asked her to move to Paisley Park and she turned him down because she is a Catholic and was unwilling to convert to JW. He took her to meet his Mother. P also dated Ananda Lewis briefly in 2001 before he married Mani.


So why is Mani alone being blamed for plotting with Larry Graham to end Mayte's marriage. These are some of the factual misrepresentations that need to be pointed out.

This is the part that I don't understand when Mayte's supporters come at you with the "haters" label. There is so much in the public domain that contradicts what Mayte writes about in her book and when someone points these things out - statements that she, herself, has made or facts that she has omitted that are readily available - you get accused of "villifying" her. They accuse you of drinking the Purple Kool Aid while offering the Mayte Kool Aid as the real drink. People who have been fans for years, who regularly followed his work and what was going on around him are expected to have amnesia and gush over a "love story" that resembles more of a "fatal attraction" theme.

NotACleverName said:

Very judgey post for someone complaining about the audacity of people judgeing
[Edited 4/6/17 20:31pm]

TOB said:

I know something is wrong if I’m taking the time trying to explain what a commercial advertisement is.

.

What don’t understand what they don’t understand?

She is selling something and we’ve been discussing the intent of a misleading published ad!!!

There are laws… you can’t be ambiguous with the truth in publishing something about a public figure. That is libel.

.

A commercial advertisement is design specifically to influence the consumer into buying.

When I read an ad that says Cheetos, Mac & Cheese, Cheese-its or Cheese Nips the inference is the flavor of cheese, not broccoli.

And Yes, I’d argue their intention was to make me think of something “cheesy.”

.

There is something called the Federal Trade Commission (FTC).

Truth in advertising.

.

Libel is the publishing of a false statement damaging a person’s reputation.

.

To establish Libel one needs to prove the existence of Actual Malice, which is defined as the publishing of a defamatory statement with “knowledge that is was false or with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not.”

Prince’s character is being defamed, slurred, tainted, tarnished, vilify and I want to understand why it is being allowed to happen.

Did the estate attempt an injunction or did anyone try to sue to stop the book from being released?

.

I went to permanently delete my account last night to find I forgot my password.

I created another password. The site ask for a reason for deleting it, I wrote in “Mayte’s book” and hit click to execute a permanently deletion. The site acknowledge my request, sent me an email, and noted that it would be deleted in 24 hours, if I don’t log back in.

.

Mayte’s book changes things.

I’ll eventually come to terms with it, but if it this knowledge has shook me up as much as it did,

what did it do to him?

Could he sit and face the coming questions, knowing what they would be asking and calling him?

Could he live with it? Would it end his career?

Salacious romantic inferences about him and a 16 years old.

What was the threat she made at the auction house?

How soon after did he accidental overdose? Is it or is it not related?

.

I was deleting my account because I concluded her book to be true,

mainly based upon lack of legal push back.

Figuring that, because of her known age back then, either it is all true or she has something far worse on him to control them.

I still question the bases of allowing the annulment, which in the past has been mentioned often on this site. Search “Mayte annulment” and it pops right up.

Minnesota law allows no reason that would be applicable that far into the marriage, save for still being married to a third party or being closely related by blood or adoption.

.

.

I don’t know Mayte to hate her.

I believe she is smart. A silly little girl she is not and probably never was, or never allowed to be; not with all that training.

Training in a Martial Art known to leave men off-guard, weak and defenseless; with brain draining visuals

that has them thinking with the wrong head.

Without the dancing, normally how old is a girl when she realizes she can easily catch the attention and manipulate men?

Now, when do think she knew, and was it before or after her parents who were certain of it.

If Prince wasn't in habit or practice it would appear that he was targeted. But probably not likely.

More like, everyone involved was being opportunistic during a series of questionable and bad decisions that kind of spiraled out of control.

.

Interesting fact, Prince dressing “normal” or rather, dressing like Bryant Gumbel was Mayte’s idea?

Obviously they both found the idea ingenious and incredibly humorous, as did everyone there at the show that morning.

Knowing the thought of Prince acting or looking normal would be outrageously funny, ridiculous, a joke… is telling.

Clever girl…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nntVqkkZalM

Hi TOB,

Glad you stayed around. I had to stop posting in this thread a few days because it was overwhelming.

Prince stopped the book from being published before. I just do not think his family i.e. estate care. They have bigger fish to fry. Look at the estate thread, It is messy.

I am very interested in what it is about the book that shook you. I am late to the discussion so please forgive me if you already shared this information. I can go back and read it. I am interested in knowing your opinion. You are more objective than I am.

I do not think Prince worried about Mayte. Loads of people had to have real dirt on him; he was in the game for decades. He was not exactly a darling.

No matter, I do not hate Mayte either and have been accused of hating because I question motive and timing of the book and her media blitz. It was calculated to hijack the first anniversary of Prince's transition. Yes, Prince was targeted. Her parents had tried with other entertainers and that is documented too. Prince was just the one who got on the hook. Look at what that one moment in time has done to the image Prince tried so hard to protect . I guess some who Prince did wrong in his life are somewhere celebrating the downfall of the image being torn down finally by a jilted wife.

She now has her celebrity, $$$ and adoring fans thanks to Prince. It says very much about life doesn't it ? He created the personas for his proteges and even his marriage with M1 which was nothingshort of a big production being joined at the hip in public, in videos That was clearly to show her as wife to all; he showed he could be married and she was everywhere. He was all about image and he was sending someone a message. He did a good job and Mayte had to know it was not a marriage on love as it should have been. She is getting her turn to pay him back now.

I do appreciate your opinion even though I do not think Prince feared Mayte. I think he did not want to taint the image he had built over decades. Prince was the icon the music, the genius taht fascinated the world. He did that not Mayte or anyone else. It is sad that on his first anniversary of tranisitioning there is on Person sitting atop Purple Kingdom as if they were the mastermind as if the were touring in the late 70s and 80s on buses sleeping in hotels not yet famous. She is acting as if she deserves all things Prince. She was not even his widow .

I get it and I feel sorry for Mayte because I do not think Prince ever gave her his whole heart. She was part of his image and served a purpose. However my empathy goes out the window when I see how calculated this book debut has been and especially knowing he stopped the book from being published before. She knew that and as soon as he died wasted no time getting it out there. She knew again what she was doing as she did when she sent him the video initially belly dancing.

THIS woman as you say is "clever" . Much respect to her. She is finally getting what she called in her reality show "Purple Rain" money.

TOB said:

I know something is wrong if I’m taking the time trying to explain what a commercial advertisement is.

.

What don’t understand what they don’t understand?

She is selling something and we’ve been discussing the intent of a misleading published ad!!!

There are laws… you can’t be ambiguous with the truth in publishing something about a public figure. That is libel.

.

A commercial advertisement is design specifically to influence the consumer into buying.

When I read an ad that says Cheetos, Mac & Cheese, Cheese-its or Cheese Nips the inference is the flavor of cheese, not broccoli.

And Yes, I’d argue their intention was to make me think of something “cheesy.”

.

There is something called the Federal Trade Commission (FTC).

Truth in advertising.

.

Libel is the publishing of a false statement damaging a person’s reputation.

.

To establish Libel one needs to prove the existence of Actual Malice, which is defined as the publishing of a defamatory statement with “knowledge that is was false or with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not.”

Prince’s character is being defamed, slurred, tainted, tarnished, vilify and I want to understand why it is being allowed to happen.

Did the estate attempt an injunction or did anyone try to sue to stop the book from being released?

.

I went to permanently delete my account last night to find I forgot my password.

I created another password. The site ask for a reason for deleting it, I wrote in “Mayte’s book” and hit click to execute a permanently deletion. The site acknowledge my request, sent me an email, and noted that it would be deleted in 24 hours, if I don’t log back in.

.

Mayte’s book changes things.

I’ll eventually come to terms with it, but if it this knowledge has shook me up as much as it did,

what did it do to him?

Could he sit and face the coming questions, knowing what they would be asking and calling him?

Could he live with it? Would it end his career?

Salacious romantic inferences about him and a 16 years old.

What was the threat she made at the auction house?

How soon after did he accidental overdose? Is it or is it not related?

.

I was deleting my account because I concluded her book to be true,

mainly based upon lack of legal push back.

Figuring that, because of her known age back then, either it is all true or she has something far worse on him to control them.

I still question the bases of allowing the annulment, which in the past has been mentioned often on this site. Search “Mayte annulment” and it pops right up.

Minnesota law allows no reason that would be applicable that far into the marriage, save for still being married to a third party or being closely related by blood or adoption.

.

.

I don’t know Mayte to hate her.

I believe she is smart. A silly little girl she is not and probably never was, or never allowed to be; not with all that training.

Training in a Martial Art known to leave men off-guard, weak and defenseless; with brain draining visuals

that has them thinking with the wrong head.

Without the dancing, normally how old is a girl when she realizes she can easily catch the attention and manipulate men?

Now, when do think she knew, and was it before or after her parents who were certain of it.

If Prince wasn't in habit or practice it would appear that he was targeted. But probably not likely.

More like, everyone involved was being opportunistic during a series of questionable and bad decisions that kind of spiraled out of control.

.

Interesting fact, Prince dressing “normal” or rather, dressing like Bryant Gumbel was Mayte’s idea?

Obviously they both found the idea ingenious and incredibly humorous, as did everyone there at the show that morning.

Knowing the thought of Prince acting or looking normal would be outrageously funny, ridiculous, a joke… is telling.

Clever girl…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nntVqkkZalM

THANK YOU, THANK YOU! I hope "Team Mayte" understands your post.

This book is being sold as a "love story", but it appears more like attention-seeking, money-making venegeance. I know some don't agree, but there was nothing really romantic or anything that gave the impression of, "oh yea, they were in love".

.

All of the questions you posed, are ones Prince fans are asking or should be asking. However, it's obvious if you disagree with the "love story" being sold here or challenge it, then it's you who gets called on. You're the hater. Funny how that works. I thought this was Prince.org but lately, it's been Mayte.org

.

Looking at their marriage, from the outside, they didn't meet any of the grounds for annulment, yet it remains a mystery in this story since there is no public record of divorce, or one that has been easy to find. Even if they divorced in another county or state, still would be easy to track down.

.

Prince was NOT a pedophile. He was like any other man, visual. She said in her book, that he admitted having had occasional impure thoughts before they were intimate, as her body was that of mature woman. This is what I said a couple of pages back. What man doesn't enjoy a woman shaking her hips? Was she purposely manipulating? Perhaps. Previous to that, Mayte was dancing in restaurants. She and her parents knew it was a turn on. Was he a target? I don't know, but they knew Prince's reputation for being a lover of women and how she put it, "his appetite for sex". There's the angle to approach.

Vashtix said:

I get it and I feel sorry for Mayte because I do not think Prince ever gave her his whole heart. She was part of his image and served a purpose. However my empathy goes out the window when I see how calculated this book debut has been and especially knowing he stopped the book from being published before. She knew that and as soon as he died wasted no time getting it out there. She knew again what she was doing as she did when she sent him the video initially belly dancing.

I'm just curious...Who do you think P gave his "whole heart" to?

Vashtix said:

TOB said:

I know something is wrong if I’m taking the time trying to explain what a commercial advertisement is.

.

What don’t understand what they don’t understand?

She is selling something and we’ve been discussing the intent of a misleading published ad!!!

There are laws… you can’t be ambiguous with the truth in publishing something about a public figure. That is libel.

.

A commercial advertisement is design specifically to influence the consumer into buying.

When I read an ad that says Cheetos, Mac & Cheese, Cheese-its or Cheese Nips the inference is the flavor of cheese, not broccoli.

And Yes, I’d argue their intention was to make me think of something “cheesy.”

.

There is something called the Federal Trade Commission (FTC).

Truth in advertising.

.

Libel is the publishing of a false statement damaging a person’s reputation.

.

To establish Libel one needs to prove the existence of Actual Malice, which is defined as the publishing of a defamatory statement with “knowledge that is was false or with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not.”

Prince’s character is being defamed, slurred, tainted, tarnished, vilify and I want to understand why it is being allowed to happen.

Did the estate attempt an injunction or did anyone try to sue to stop the book from being released?

.

I went to permanently delete my account last night to find I forgot my password.

I created another password. The site ask for a reason for deleting it, I wrote in “Mayte’s book” and hit click to execute a permanently deletion. The site acknowledge my request, sent me an email, and noted that it would be deleted in 24 hours, if I don’t log back in.

.

Mayte’s book changes things.

I’ll eventually come to terms with it, but if it this knowledge has shook me up as much as it did,

what did it do to him?

Could he sit and face the coming questions, knowing what they would be asking and calling him?

Could he live with it? Would it end his career?

Salacious romantic inferences about him and a 16 years old.

What was the threat she made at the auction house?

How soon after did he accidental overdose? Is it or is it not related?

.

I was deleting my account because I concluded her book to be true,

mainly based upon lack of legal push back.

Figuring that, because of her known age back then, either it is all true or she has something far worse on him to control them.

I still question the bases of allowing the annulment, which in the past has been mentioned often on this site. Search “Mayte annulment” and it pops right up.

Minnesota law allows no reason that would be applicable that far into the marriage, save for still being married to a third party or being closely related by blood or adoption.

.

.

I don’t know Mayte to hate her.

I believe she is smart. A silly little girl she is not and probably never was, or never allowed to be; not with all that training.

Training in a Martial Art known to leave men off-guard, weak and defenseless; with brain draining visuals

that has them thinking with the wrong head.

Without the dancing, normally how old is a girl when she realizes she can easily catch the attention and manipulate men?

Now, when do think she knew, and was it before or after her parents who were certain of it.

If Prince wasn't in habit or practice it would appear that he was targeted. But probably not likely.

More like, everyone involved was being opportunistic during a series of questionable and bad decisions that kind of spiraled out of control.

.

Interesting fact, Prince dressing “normal” or rather, dressing like Bryant Gumbel was Mayte’s idea?

Obviously they both found the idea ingenious and incredibly humorous, as did everyone there at the show that morning.

Knowing the thought of Prince acting or looking normal would be outrageously funny, ridiculous, a joke… is telling.

Clever girl…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nntVqkkZalM

Hi TOB,

Glad you stayed around. I had to stop posting in this thread a few days because it was overwhelming.

Prince stopped the book from being published before. I just do not think his family i.e. estate care. They have bigger fish to fry. Look at the estate thread, It is messy.

I am very interested in what it is about the book that shook you. I am late to the discussion so please forgive me if you already shared this information. I can go back and read it. I am interested in knowing your opinion. You are more objective than I am.

I do not think Prince worried about Mayte. Loads of people had to have real dirt on him; he was in the game for decades. He was not exactly a darling.

No matter, I do not hate Mayte either and have been accused of hating because I question motive and timing of the book and her media blitz. It was calculated to hijack the first anniversary of Prince's transition. Yes, Prince was targeted. Her parents had tried with other entertainers and that is documented too. Prince was just the one who got on the hook. Look at what that one moment in time has done to the image Prince tried so hard to protect . I guess some who Prince did wrong in his life are somewhere celebrating the downfall of the image being torn down finally by a jilted wife.

She now has her celebrity, $$$ and adoring fans thanks to Prince. It says very much about life doesn't it ? He created the personas for his proteges and even his marriage with M1 which was nothingshort of a big production being joined at the hip in public, in videos That was clearly to show her as wife to all; he showed he could be married and she was everywhere. He was all about image and he was sending someone a message. He did a good job and Mayte had to know it was not a marriage on love as it should have been. She is getting her turn to pay him back now.

I do appreciate your opinion even though I do not think Prince feared Mayte. I think he did not want to taint the image he had built over decades. Prince was the icon the music, the genius taht fascinated the world. He did that not Mayte or anyone else. It is sad that on his first anniversary of tranisitioning there is on Person sitting atop Purple Kingdom as if they were the mastermind as if the were touring in the late 70s and 80s on buses sleeping in hotels not yet famous. She is acting as if she deserves all things Prince. She was not even his widow .

I get it and I feel sorry for Mayte because I do not think Prince ever gave her his whole heart. She was part of his image and served a purpose. However my empathy goes out the window when I see how calculated this book debut has been and especially knowing he stopped the book from being published before. She knew that and as soon as he died wasted no time getting it out there. She knew again what she was doing as she did when she sent him the video initially belly dancing.

THIS woman as you say is "clever" . Much respect to her. She is finally getting what she called in her reality show "Purple Rain" money.

She didn't send him the video of her belly dancing.

This just shows that you really don't know what you are talking about. It's not ok for Mayte to write a book, but it's ok for everyone else too???

.

Carry on with your hate.

Vashtix, you hit the nail on the head. Prince created the fake "Princess Mayte" image which they presented on stage and in videos -- the mysterious faux Egyptian belly dancing Princess. The marriage also was about image until it all came crashing down to reality with the birth and death of the child. Even after the child died, the fake image that Prince wanted to present of their life and marriage continued. Once Prince cast her aside, she was no longer able to continue with the fake image that he had created for her. The real Mayte is the person who was with Tommy Lee and on the Hollywood Exes show. As I said, the lyrics of "Man 'O' War" pretty much sum up what was really going on behind the scenes. It was not pretty. Second, the book was poorly edited and conveyed a mostly negative image of Prince which she is now backtracking on. Her recent interview on a UK Channel is indicative of the fact that the book is not speaking for itself, so she was defensive and trying to explain what she meant.

Vashtix said:

TOB said:

I know something is wrong if I’m taking the time trying to explain what a commercial advertisement is.

.

What don’t understand what they don’t understand?

She is selling something and we’ve been discussing the intent of a misleading published ad!!!

There are laws… you can’t be ambiguous with the truth in publishing something about a public figure. That is libel.

.

A commercial advertisement is design specifically to influence the consumer into buying.

When I read an ad that says Cheetos, Mac & Cheese, Cheese-its or Cheese Nips the inference is the flavor of cheese, not broccoli.

And Yes, I’d argue their intention was to make me think of something “cheesy.”

.

There is something called the Federal Trade Commission (FTC).

Truth in advertising.

.

Libel is the publishing of a false statement damaging a person’s reputation.

.

To establish Libel one needs to prove the existence of Actual Malice, which is defined as the publishing of a defamatory statement with “knowledge that is was false or with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not.”

Prince’s character is being defamed, slurred, tainted, tarnished, vilify and I want to understand why it is being allowed to happen.

Did the estate attempt an injunction or did anyone try to sue to stop the book from being released?

.

I went to permanently delete my account last night to find I forgot my password.

I created another password. The site ask for a reason for deleting it, I wrote in “Mayte’s book” and hit click to execute a permanently deletion. The site acknowledge my request, sent me an email, and noted that it would be deleted in 24 hours, if I don’t log back in.

.

Mayte’s book changes things.

I’ll eventually come to terms with it, but if it this knowledge has shook me up as much as it did,

what did it do to him?

Could he sit and face the coming questions, knowing what they would be asking and calling him?

Could he live with it? Would it end his career?

Salacious romantic inferences about him and a 16 years old.

What was the threat she made at the auction house?

How soon after did he accidental overdose? Is it or is it not related?

.

I was deleting my account because I concluded her book to be true,

mainly based upon lack of legal push back.

Figuring that, because of her known age back then, either it is all true or she has something far worse on him to control them.

I still question the bases of allowing the annulment, which in the past has been mentioned often on this site. Search “Mayte annulment” and it pops right up.

Minnesota law allows no reason that would be applicable that far into the marriage, save for still being married to a third party or being closely related by blood or adoption.

.

.

I don’t know Mayte to hate her.

I believe she is smart. A silly little girl she is not and probably never was, or never allowed to be; not with all that training.

Training in a Martial Art known to leave men off-guard, weak and defenseless; with brain draining visuals

that has them thinking with the wrong head.

Without the dancing, normally how old is a girl when she realizes she can easily catch the attention and manipulate men?

Now, when do think she knew, and was it before or after her parents who were certain of it.

If Prince wasn't in habit or practice it would appear that he was targeted. But probably not likely.

More like, everyone involved was being opportunistic during a series of questionable and bad decisions that kind of spiraled out of control.

.

Interesting fact, Prince dressing “normal” or rather, dressing like Bryant Gumbel was Mayte’s idea?

Obviously they both found the idea ingenious and incredibly humorous, as did everyone there at the show that morning.

Knowing the thought of Prince acting or looking normal would be outrageously funny, ridiculous, a joke… is telling.

Clever girl…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nntVqkkZalM

Hi TOB,

Glad you stayed around. I had to stop posting in this thread a few days because it was overwhelming.

Prince stopped the book from being published before. I just do not think his family i.e. estate care. They have bigger fish to fry. Look at the estate thread, It is messy.

I am very interested in what it is about the book that shook you. I am late to the discussion so please forgive me if you already shared this information. I can go back and read it. I am interested in knowing your opinion. You are more objective than I am.

I do not think Prince worried about Mayte. Loads of people had to have real dirt on him; he was in the game for decades. He was not exactly a darling.

No matter, I do not hate Mayte either and have been accused of hating because I question motive and timing of the book and her media blitz. It was calculated to hijack the first anniversary of Prince's transition. Yes, Prince was targeted. Her parents had tried with other entertainers and that is documented too. Prince was just the one who got on the hook. Look at what that one moment in time has done to the image Prince tried so hard to protect . I guess some who Prince did wrong in his life are somewhere celebrating the downfall of the image being torn down finally by a jilted wife.

She now has her celebrity, $$$ and adoring fans thanks to Prince. It says very much about life doesn't it ? He created the personas for his proteges and even his marriage with M1 which was nothingshort of a big production being joined at the hip in public, in videos That was clearly to show her as wife to all; he showed he could be married and she was everywhere. He was all about image and he was sending someone a message. He did a good job and Mayte had to know it was not a marriage on love as it should have been. She is getting her turn to pay him back now.

I do appreciate your opinion even though I do not think Prince feared Mayte. I think he did not want to taint the image he had built over decades. Prince was the icon the music, the genius taht fascinated the world. He did that not Mayte or anyone else. It is sad that on his first anniversary of tranisitioning there is on Person sitting atop Purple Kingdom as if they were the mastermind as if the were touring in the late 70s and 80s on buses sleeping in hotels not yet famous. She is acting as if she deserves all things Prince. She was not even his widow .

I get it and I feel sorry for Mayte because I do not think Prince ever gave her his whole heart. She was part of his image and served a purpose. However my empathy goes out the window when I see how calculated this book debut has been and especially knowing he stopped the book from being published before. She knew that and as soon as he died wasted no time getting it out there. She knew again what she was doing as she did when she sent him the video initially belly dancing.

THIS woman as you say is "clever" . Much respect to her. She is finally getting what she called in her reality show "Purple Rain" money.

TOB -- I am glad you stayed. You have such wisdom, and brought tears to my eyes. I did a feature of Denise on facebook and ended it with the items that she tried to auction before she died. The exquisite pieces of jewelry were stunning, and showed that she had good taste. Her interviews made me laugh. I liked when she talk about finding the gorilla furs in boutiques on Melrose. I was thinking -- "what an awful thing to wear!" But she really had a thing for them. By the time, I was through her spiritual transformation she had so endeared herself to me. She was a beautiful person. She and her beloved Prince are both at rest.

Regarding the auction, I am sure it was the attorneys who reached out to Nate D. Sanders because it must have occured about four or five days before P passed on April 21st, 2016. To be honest, I was surprised that Nate D. Sanders disclosed as much as they did on the Auction House website. It almost bordered on violation of client privacy. I read it as a CYA type disclosure so that in case potential bidders had a question of the validity of the provenance of the auction items, it would be available upfront to them.

If I knew Mayte personally, I would advise her to donate to Paisley Park the performance clothing that P used for iconic performances or events so that they can be featured in future Exhibits. The Lovesexy era was featured recently at PP. If the Associates had taken and sold the clothing from that era, there would be nothing to feature.

The items that are personally hers are hers to do as she pleases with. No one has a right to tell her what to do with those items.

TOB said:

PennyPurple said:

You are very wise TOB. Thank you.

Thank you, but it was just a thought, and You are welcome

I would be more interested in analyzing his rational in why he bothered to sue.

This was him interjecting himself into her life.

A phone call to her or to the auction house would seem much more reasonable.

The "Why" behind it could be insightful.

For obvious reasons I do my best to comment and respond without sentiment, but to be truly honest it would be very difficult to let go of anything Denise has personally given me.

I currently have this 2x5ft picture of tulips on my wall that I never did like, and the only reason I accepted it when she ask me to throw it out is because I liked the frame.

The Nate D. Sanders people began trying to reach me on March 1^st 2016.

How they knew to reach me is what made me curious enough to call them.

This was before I knew the contents of the Will.

I would later discovered that before she passed both Denise and her secretary had been in communications with the Nate D. Sanders people, and I think it was around the same time Mayte's auction.

At her request, over the years I have destroyed, thrown away and given away so many of Denise’s things.

Funny at how it now pains me to put an old deteriorating cardboard box from her storage in the recycling bin, just because it was hers.

I know this is more than my being sentimental. As again I have to acknowledge the grieving process.

Telling myself that my retrieving the box was understandable,

and that ultimately throwing it out was more than my needing to be practical.

To consciously acknowledge that it’s a daily battle to function as usually, to move forward, to let go…

So I guess an auction would make sense.

To me that 2x5ft picture of Tulips holds more value to me than her mink.

That I know is my being sentimental, so obviously I could never personally place a price tag on anything,

and have no clue what items others may deem valuable.

Aside from what I've shared I believe there are somethings Denise meant to give away. One story in particular... I'll see what I can do to share it somewhere... with no chance of it being taken down.

LBrent said:

Vashtix said:

I get it and I feel sorry for Mayte because I do not think Prince ever gave her his whole heart. She was part of his image and served a purpose. However my empathy goes out the window when I see how calculated this book debut has been and especially knowing he stopped the book from being published before. She knew that and as soon as he died wasted no time getting it out there. She knew again what she was doing as she did when she sent him the video initially belly dancing.

I'm just curious...Who do you think P gave his "whole heart" to?

I am not derailing this thread but that would make for a great thread topic. I think Prince's whole heart was his art, his music (he later called his songs his children), his image. He wanted that and he worked hard for it. He put personal life aside. We all have read the articles of people telling him to take a holiday because he worked so hard

LBrent said:

Vashtix said:

I get it and I feel sorry for Mayte because I do not think Prince ever gave her his whole heart. She was part of his image and served a purpose. However my empathy goes out the window when I see how calculated this book debut has been and especially knowing he stopped the book from being published before. She knew that and as soon as he died wasted no time getting it out there. She knew again what she was doing as she did when she sent him the video initially belly dancing.

I'm just curious...Who do you think P gave his "whole heart" to?

I am not derailing this thread but that would make for a great thread topic. I think Prince's whole heart was his art, his music (he later called his songs his children), his image. He wanted that and he worked hard for it. He put personal life aside. We all have read the articles of people telling him to take a holiday because he worked so hard

PennyPurple said:

Vashtix said:

Hi TOB,

Glad you stayed around. I had to stop posting in this thread a few days because it was overwhelming.

Prince stopped the book from being published before. I just do not think his family i.e. estate care. They have bigger fish to fry. Look at the estate thread, It is messy.

I am very interested in what it is about the book that shook you. I am late to the discussion so please forgive me if you already shared this information. I can go back and read it. I am interested in knowing your opinion. You are more objective than I am.

I do not think Prince worried about Mayte. Loads of people had to have real dirt on him; he was in the game for decades. He was not exactly a darling.

No matter, I do not hate Mayte either and have been accused of hating because I question motive and timing of the book and her media blitz. It was calculated to hijack the first anniversary of Prince's transition. Yes, Prince was targeted. Her parents had tried with other entertainers and that is documented too. Prince was just the one who got on the hook. Look at what that one moment in time has done to the image Prince tried so hard to protect . I guess some who Prince did wrong in his life are somewhere celebrating the downfall of the image being torn down finally by a jilted wife.

She now has her celebrity, $$$ and adoring fans thanks to Prince. It says very much about life doesn't it ? He created the personas for his proteges and even his marriage with M1 which was nothingshort of a big production being joined at the hip in public, in videos That was clearly to show her as wife to all; he showed he could be married and she was everywhere. He was all about image and he was sending someone a message. He did a good job and Mayte had to know it was not a marriage on love as it should have been. She is getting her turn to pay him back now.

I do appreciate your opinion even though I do not think Prince feared Mayte. I think he did not want to taint the image he had built over decades. Prince was the icon the music, the genius taht fascinated the world. He did that not Mayte or anyone else. It is sad that on his first anniversary of tranisitioning there is on Person sitting atop Purple Kingdom as if they were the mastermind as if the were touring in the late 70s and 80s on buses sleeping in hotels not yet famous. She is acting as if she deserves all things Prince. She was not even his widow .

I get it and I feel sorry for Mayte because I do not think Prince ever gave her his whole heart. She was part of his image and served a purpose. However my empathy goes out the window when I see how calculated this book debut has been and especially knowing he stopped the book from being published before. She knew that and as soon as he died wasted no time getting it out there. She knew again what she was doing as she did when she sent him the video initially belly dancing.

THIS woman as you say is "clever" . Much respect to her. She is finally getting what she called in her reality show "Purple Rain" money.

She didn't send him the video of her belly dancing.

This just shows that you really don't know what you are talking about. It's not ok for Mayte to write a book, but it's ok for everyone else too???

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Carry on with your hate.

Sorry for using the correct verbage for whagt her parents handed to Prince to see.

Please tell me what I said that was hateful. I am not hating on Mayte. I can question motive. I can state at his one year anniversary of transitioning that it is all about Mayte and tell me the timing is coincidental. . .you cannot.

I just would like to be told what is hateful.

Vashtix said:

PennyPurple said:

She didn't send him the video of her belly dancing.

This just shows that you really don't know what you are talking about. It's not ok for Mayte to write a book, but it's ok for everyone else too???

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Carry on with your hate.

Sorry for using the correct verbage for whagt her parents handed to Prince to see.

Please tell me what I said that was hateful. I am not hating on Mayte. I can question motive. I can state at his one year anniversary of transitioning that it is all about Mayte and tell me the timing is coincidental. . .you cannot.

I just would like to be told what is hateful.

No...the timing is not co incidental...she said in the first interview yesterday that she wanted to release something for the first anniversery ...and before others did...

bibrose said:

TOB -- I am glad you stayed. You have such wisdom, and brought tears to my eyes. I did a feature of Denise on facebook and ended it with the items that she tried to auction before she died. The exquisite pieces of jewelry were stunning, and showed that she had good taste. Her interviews made me laugh. I liked when she talk about finding the gorilla furs in boutiques on Melrose. I was thinking -- "what an awful thing to wear!" But she really had a thing for them. By the time, I was through her spiritual transformation she had so endeared herself to me. She was a beautiful person. She and her beloved Prince are both at rest.

Regarding the auction, I am sure it was the attorneys who reached out to Nate D. Sanders because it must have occured about four or five days before P passed on April 21st, 2016. To be honest, I was surprised that Nate D. Sanders disclosed as much as they did on the Auction House website. It almost bordered on violation of client privacy. I read it as a CYA type disclosure so that in case potential bidders had a question of the validity of the provenance of the auction items, it would be available upfront to them.

If I knew Mayte personally, I would advise her to donate to Paisley Park the performance clothing that P used for iconic performances or events so that they can be featured in future Exhibits. The Lovesexy era was featured recently at PP. If the Associates had taken and sold the clothing from that era, there would be nothing to feature.

The items that are personally hers are hers to do as she pleases with. No one has a right to tell her what to do with those items.

TOB said:

Thank you, but it was just a thought, and You are welcome

I would be more interested in analyzing his rational in why he bothered to sue.

This was him interjecting himself into her life.

A phone call to her or to the auction house would seem much more reasonable.

The "Why" behind it could be insightful.

For obvious reasons I do my best to comment and respond without sentiment, but to be truly honest it would be very difficult to let go of anything Denise has personally given me.

I currently have this 2x5ft picture of tulips on my wall that I never did like, and the only reason I accepted it when she ask me to throw it out is because I liked the frame.

The Nate D. Sanders people began trying to reach me on March 1^st 2016.

How they knew to reach me is what made me curious enough to call them.

This was before I knew the contents of the Will.

I would later discovered that before she passed both Denise and her secretary had been in communications with the Nate D. Sanders people, and I think it was around the same time Mayte's auction.

At her request, over the years I have destroyed, thrown away and given away so many of Denise’s things.

Funny at how it now pains me to put an old deteriorating cardboard box from her storage in the recycling bin, just because it was hers.

I know this is more than my being sentimental. As again I have to acknowledge the grieving process.

Telling myself that my retrieving the box was understandable,

and that ultimately throwing it out was more than my needing to be practical.

To consciously acknowledge that it’s a daily battle to function as usually, to move forward, to let go…

So I guess an auction would make sense.

To me that 2x5ft picture of Tulips holds more value to me than her mink.

That I know is my being sentimental, so obviously I could never personally place a price tag on anything,

and have no clue what items others may deem valuable.

Aside from what I've shared I believe there are somethings Denise meant to give away. One story in particular... I'll see what I can do to share it somewhere... with no chance of it being taken down.

Bibrose,

I appreciate your words about the auction and if she by chance accidently has anything from Prince that belongs to others be it letters or vids she should give them back. I agree with the auctioningof things.

I also appreciate Denise and her place in the Purple Kingdom so much now seeing how the other women have handled their relationships after his death. Could you direct me to your FB page here or PM me whatever way you are comfortable.

TOB is a jewel. He brings a different viewpoint and it results in a great discussion. I have yet to go through this thread but I will this wknd. I see great conversations and I missed so much.

Vashtix said:

PennyPurple said:

She didn't send him the video of her belly dancing.

This just shows that you really don't know what you are talking about. It's not ok for Mayte to write a book, but it's ok for everyone else too???

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Carry on with your hate.

Sorry for using the correct verbage for whagt her parents handed to Prince to see.

Please tell me what I said that was hateful. I am not hating on Mayte. I can question motive. I can state at his one year anniversary of transitioning that it is all about Mayte and tell me the timing is coincidental. . .you cannot.

I just would like to be told what is hateful.

You are not saying anything hateful some people on this board I belive are having some serious health issues or are just minions of Mayte. They continue to ignore things that are obvious as if they keep ignoring facts they will just disappear.

Mayte and her parents apparently had no hand in the meet up with Prince at all. Prince was so desperate for a women he contacted her parents first!

Prince would have not been nothing without Mayte's influence as she is a great artist with a long track record of work!

Prince would have been okay with her using their son's death to put a buck in her pocket because you know he went into the details about his son and their marriage all the time and charged money for people to hear it!!!

We live in the era of making up crap to fit the agenda.

laurarichardson said:

Vashtix said:

Sorry for using the correct verbage for whagt her parents handed to Prince to see.

Please tell me what I said that was hateful. I am not hating on Mayte. I can question motive. I can state at his one year anniversary of transitioning that it is all about Mayte and tell me the timing is coincidental. . .you cannot.

I just would like to be told what is hateful.

You are not saying anything hateful some people on this board I belive are having some serious health issues or are just minions of Mayte. They continue to ignore things that are obvious as if they keep ignoring facts they will just disappear.

Mayte and her parents apparently had no hand in the meet up with Prince at all. Prince was so desperate for a women he contacted her parents first!

Prince would have not been nothing without Mayte's influence as she is a great artist with a long track record of work!

Prince would have been okay with her using their son's death to put a buck in her pocket because you know he went into the details about his son and their marriage all the time and charged money for people to hear it!!!

We live in the era of making up crap to fit the agenda.

LOL!!

The things that are getting pushback are facts; M1 and her family tried with others. Prince was the only one to take the bait.

Prince was the superstar way before M1 appeared. His work that too him to international stardom about the Greatest Romance Ever Sold was Purple Rain. He had LRC and iconic 1999. EVeryone all over the world was trying to be Prince way before Mayte.

M1's time with Prince not many were sniffing for Prince and the 2 of them did not win over the masses. Her work was fine but she cannot even come close to his influence in the 80s . I know he would also refer to the 80s as the best decade and for him it was. The 90s did not compare.

I did not want him to park in the 80s and I love all his decades I am stating the masses and his success. Some of my fav work of his was in the 2000s.

In the 80s and late 70s he had people around him that cared and knew the man. After that well , you see what he had people searching him out for their own shine.

You can try but as I keep saying - the man tried to kill himself while married to her and expecting a baby. He was not a happy man in love. Just saying.

[Edited 4/7/17 4:50am]

Vashtix said:

I am also bewildered by the comparisons of princes talents and maytes. Mayte is a really good dancer, prince has had many really good dancers preforming with him over the years. If mayte was not his wife, she would be a foot note, another good back up dancer in princes band. Does anyone even know the names of other rock stars back up dancers? We know her because he married her, not because of her own career success

MAYTE's auction of items was all over her facebook feed many months before his death. There was a long explanation on why she was selling things and basically had to do with space and that some items would be better with long time fans etc...EVERYONE does this, shit people were hawking PRINCE stuff on here the minute he died. There is a used CD/DVD shop here in Midtown NYC and the day before every Prince cd was between 2-$5 the second he died they were 20-50 dollars each, and we all know there are some who were like "oh yeah I'll sell my extra copy of New Power Soul, that masterpiece for 100 bucks on ebay cause I can get it" so everyone sells things off. Also she was using alot of funds to build her animal shelter etc..

And saying that without Prince none of us would know MAYTE, that is true but you can also apply that to almost anyone he has worked with who he put on the map from the start, regardless if they are good musicians or not they still would be known by very very little.

bibrose said:

Vashtix, you hit the nail on the head. Prince created the fake "Princess Mayte" image which they presented on stage and in videos -- the mysterious faux Egyptian belly dancing Princess. The marriage also was about image until it all came crashing down to reality with the birth and death of the child. Even after the child died, the fake image that Prince wanted to present of their life and marriage continued. Once Prince cast her aside, she was no longer able to continue with the fake image that he had created for her. The real Mayte is the person who was with Tommy Lee and on the Hollywood Exes show. As I said, the lyrics of "Man 'O' War" pretty much sum up what was really going on behind the scenes. It was not pretty. Second, the book was poorly edited and conveyed a mostly negative image of Prince which she is now backtracking on. Her recent interview on a UK Channel is indicative of the fact that the book is not speaking for itself, so she was defensive and trying to explain what she meant.

The book did not portray a negative image of Prince and it wasn't poorly edited.

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I don't know where you all get these things.

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The real Mayte is the person who was with Tommy Lee? Prince was with 100's of women....

lastdecember said:

I think she should have let his stuff go as well, what ever she wanted to do with it. However attempting to sell the marriage proposal letter was not o.k. And if she was still in love with him and thought they would reunite, wouldn't that be one of your most precious treasures? In any case I think that letter was why lots of people had a problem with the auctions

And I do not understand how she ended up with so many of his personal items, not things that belonged to her,or things they owned together,like the china, and then say you do not know what happened to your child's ashes? Did she not have a divorce attorney? If as other have suggested that prince was so controlling that he would not give her the ashes or discuss them with her, would your kids ashes not be the number one point of negotiation in your divorce? FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR DEAD CHILD BEFORE YOU WRITE A BOOK...A judge would not have let prince have 100% control over their child's ashes. It is bizarre she ended up with so many trivial items from their marriage, but has no idea what happened to the number one most precious thing...

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

I know the name of Cat Glover and of Musty Copeland and Robia LaMorte (diamond and pearl fame) because she has a Christian minister and Carmen Electra . None of them are cashing in. Carmen is spectacular and the dancer most people know. However she does not use Prince for her brand.
Mani is not doing a media blitz nor any of the other significant women. If they are they were respectful of at least waiting til after the first anniversary of his death.
I look forward to the other books at this time.

lastdecember said:

--Some of those musicians were working in the industry before Prince and they are still working. I cannot say the same for Mayte.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

--It is jacked up that she has material things that she is still clinging to and did not an attorney to see about the ashes. No one in the media has the balls to ask her about it along with other things that make no sense.

PennyPurple said:

/-Tommy Lee the guy that shot Jack Daniels in his veins to come down off of his Coke high. I wonder if she kept any of his crack pipes and when she will be auctioning those off.

laurarichardson said:

She will not allow an interview with anyone who will ask her real questions. The UK guy said nothing wrong. She said her parents allowed Prince to be her guardian. The guy said woah! I Wouldn't do that with my teenage daughter and they asked was Prince controlling.
She put it out there. People will ask about the things in your book.
The mind boggles that she had a book yet does not want to discuss it.

Misslink88 said:

Lovejunky said:

She hijacked the discussion of Prince 1 yr after his transition. She hijacked April with a vengeance. Congrats to her.

Vashtix said:

I had initially decided that I was not going to respond to any additional posts but after seeing the bolded comment.....well, here I am. Frankly, this comment is repulsive. To put it mildly. For the life of me, I could not understand where all the false claims, venomous attacks and downright nastiness was coming from. I realized that there are a small faction of Vanity fans that in their, misguided imo, attempts to raise her to a level in Prince's life that she never achieved, they have to disparage those that had a definitive impact on his life.

Obviously, vashtix, I vehemently disagree with your opinion. Prince was very much in love with Mayte. They developed a meaningful friendship that then turned into a deep love. He chose her to be his first wife. He chose her to be the Mother to his children. Please take a minute to read the articles in the following link: content://com.sec.android...2943.mhtml A quote from Prince in one of the articles: Like a man in love, he adds: "She really makes my soul feel complete. I feel powerful with her around. And she makes it easier to talk to God." In her book, she shares some letters he wrote to her that are very telling of the tremendous love he had for her. It is what it is.

There is simply no point in scrutinizing the parent's decision to let Mayte spend time with Prince in his hotel room discussing their career aspirations. It is a mute point as this happened 30 years ago and resulted in nothing more than planting the seed of a friendship. Aamof, Mayte was less safe in her own home with a trusted family friend. Should the parents be condemned for letting that disgusting man into their home? Please, let it go!

There was NEVER an annulment. There is no valid reason to question Mayte's own statements regarding that. In the GENLUX article from Summer 2013, she emphatically denies the annulment story: http://www.genlux.com/mayte-garcia/ The book details events surrounding that entire scenario and after reading it, you understand why it transpired.

(In response to bibrose reply #131) It is common knowledge that Prince was a serial dater. If he chose to date three women at the same time after they split up, I guess that was his business. If he dated Desray, Ananda and Mani after they split, who cares? Again, his business. So what if Mayte identified "The Greatest Romance....." (not "song" as you wrote it) video as "down and dirty"? You stated it was "beautiful". You get an opinion but she doesn't? Smdh. YOU don't get to decide how the editing of Mayte's book is handled. Furthermore, Mani WAS one of two principal factor's that contributed to the demise of Prince and Mayte's marriage.

Someone opined that Mayte was a footnote in Prince's life. No. She was incredibly relevant. He wrote some of his most lauded work during his time with Mayte. She inspired him tremendously. The footnotes are the women who held his attention for a minute before he got distracted by the music or another woman. Vanity, Carmen, Nona, Robin, Apollonia.....

Oh, and TOB.....tsk. I can only smh.