beachy said:

Sidenote: Mani always makes sure she gets her charity mentioned, doesn't she?

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YES!!!!! I was thinking the same thing. I get it, you have a charity. Please shut up

30 years have passed. The Revolution may have been into the music at the time, but that was not the case when V passed. There are hard feelings there. It's funny to me that all this comes out about how great and loveable V was-I just remember there being or it seemed like there was a lot of negative stories about her and a lot of shade thrown from the Purple camp.

I just wonder why, 30 years later, the Revolution couldn't have found it in their hearts to say something nice about V, when apparently, she was never hurtful to anyone and went out of her way for people.

About 9 years ago, The Revolution got back together or maybe it was just Sheila, Wendy, Lisa, Susannah-I am not sure, but it was for a charity and the pic was posted here and Apples was seated on the couch with all the other women, sipping a coke and I made a comment here on the Org-cause that is where I saw the pic about how great it would be if V was there and someone commented back that V would not have been welcomed.

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Your comments make it more believable that Denise really was Prince's girl. "You can't sit with us." Jealousy maybe?

Vanity??...that was decades ago...you think Prince was still sweatin that girl after she had been ran through and turnt out, by Nikki Sixx from Mötley Crüe?... smoking up all his crack, and trashing his house?...i doubt it....

In the history of the world, no one has ever been turnt out by nikki sixx

Love never fades. Yes, I believe Prince was "still sweatin that girl". Prince was not a God. He experienced regular emotions like we all do.

1contessa said: I know that many of us are trying to make sense of Prince's death, but I don't believe that his dying had anything to do with Vanity's passing. I know that it would make for a great fairy tale type of love story, but I don't think that Vanity's passing had anything to do with Prince's passing. Sure he loved her at one time, but who's to say that after all of those years, that he still loved her in the same manner? He may have had love for her yes, but maybe he loved her as a friend after all those years. The man had plenty of women, plenty that he professed to love and even marry, and that's while Vanity was still alive. In all that time that he was alive, not once did he and Vanity reunite, did they? Prince was the type of guy that loved many of woman, and left many behind when he moved on to the next, and he didn't look back. It seemed like when it was over for him, it was over, and whomever came next was next, and so on and so on. Prince loved his mom and dad also, and I'm sure that he loved his child with Mayte, and if he didn't pass after their deaths, why then would Vanity's death cause him to pass? Sorry if you don't agree, but I'm just being real here.

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I just wanted to say that I agree with you on this. I love romantic notions and even write some romance, but I don't feel that Prince would be one to go gently into that good night over Vanity's death. I think that he had love for her, as you and others have mentioned, but he wasn't in love with her. No offense to anyone, just my opinion. I also agree that when a relationship was over, he didn't look back or have a desire to revisit it. His past is very indicative of this. Vanity and Prince may have become more similar to each other in their spiritual interests as they got older, however, vibrationally, they appeared further apart then ever. Vanity took her spirituality to the extreme, an almost fanatic behavior. No offense again. On the other hand, Prince's thoughts on spirituality were more gentle and quietly that sexuality and spirituality were interwoven as well as including a bit of the mystical (the third eye, for example). Truly, I think he was still waiting for his "one", but to him, she hadn't materialized yet. By surrounding himself with women, he was trying to create a better chance for this materialization.

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If Vanity were indeed Prince's other half, I think he would have fought to the teeth for her on this physical plane instead of the unhappy alternative of meeting her beyond the veil. But fight for her he did not. And that doesn't make him a bad person, he just had moved on with his life and he was in a different place. Honestly, what I feel happened to Prince is that when Vanity died it did hit him hard because I'm sure it brought back many memories and with that comes the memory of youth. I think it gave rise to a great deal of reflection as well as causing him to think about his own mortality and where he was in life. They were the same age after all and it was very well a shock of reality to him. I'm sure he spent many days with a range of swirling emotions surrounding him and great sadness. But I do not think that their souls were entangled in any way that he would follow her into the ether.

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If anything, I think that with her death, he wanted life even more. He wanted to live. I think he looked at it as a wake up call that he had more things he wanted to accomplish and he wanted to get busy. With this in mind, I think that is why he pushed himself so hard in recent months to perform even if he wasn't feeling the best. In addition to this and more importantly, if he did indeed have a dependence on pain medication, I also feel he was trying to wean himself off them on his own. Why? In part, I think her death made him look long and hard at himself and he didn't want what happened to her to happen to himself. I think he felt he was jeopardizing his health and life. In the midst of this, he either fell ill with the flu on top of it or it was simply him feeling ill because he was trying wean himself off the pain pills. I feel with all my heart that he wanted to live and was trying to take the necessary steps to assure he stayed on this earth. I think he was having trouble doing it on his own though. From what I understand of this type of pain medication, if one tries to wean themselves off it, the need can come back with a vengeance and the risk of accidental overdose is greater. When they had to emergency land the plane that night and there after, I feel that he knew he couldn't do it on his own anymore and everything was spinning out of control. This is when he agreed to meet with the specialist from California, I believe.

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I don't believe that Vanity's passing had anything to do with what happened to Prince in the way that is being implied. In reality, I think her death inspired him to live and to live better. The chain of events that followed is something he did not foresee. I've thought about this in depth (and cried a lot too) and wanted to express my thoughts on it. Thank you for reading and I gladly accept any comments or thoughts in return.

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RJOrion said:

Lets be real here Prince by the looks of it didn't have monogamous in his body, he probably cheated on everyone women he was with including his "fiancées". But u cannot deny that he didn't love Vanity, he talked about her during his recent shows and dedicate songs too her. On the otherhand Nikki Sixx didn't say squat about her but sure he jumped on the "I love Prince" bandwagon on twitter (despite trashing him in his book!).

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I was lucky enough to be at both Feb 16th shows in Melbourne.

The first show I was 3rd row and he looked drawn and not himself when he arrived on stage. A minder also placed a box of tissues by his piano stool which was removed for the second show. He jammed for a while in between songs, looking off into the distance, away from the audience, i could swear he looked like he was about to cry at one point.

Heartbreaking to watch. Gut wrenching. The show was cut quite short but it was powerful to see that side of him. At the start of the second show he apologized about the first show, and attempted to make the second show more of a party vibe but even that was cut short as the crowd was getting into it.

Poor guy, cant beleive he still carried on with those shows....he was clearly upset and heartbroken.

Everyone is going to have their own opinions on this but I think Prince was very depressed by Vanity's death, and also by Bowie's. I do think they were connected spiritually. But it was one of those impossible relationships that was never going to work in real life in that 'happily ever after' way. I have no doubt that his love for Vanity went deeper than his love for any other woman. He may not have even realised it himself until she was gone. I don't think they had any contact in the last year.

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beachy said:

TopazGirl said:

1contessa said: I know that many of us are trying to make sense of Prince's death, but I don't believe that his dying had anything to do with Vanity's passing. I know that it would make for a great fairy tale type of love story, but I don't think that Vanity's passing had anything to do with Prince's passing. Sure he loved her at one time, but who's to say that after all of those years, that he still loved her in the same manner? He may have had love for her yes, but maybe he loved her as a friend after all those years. The man had plenty of women, plenty that he professed to love and even marry, and that's while Vanity was still alive. In all that time that he was alive, not once did he and Vanity reunite, did they? Prince was the type of guy that loved many of woman, and left many behind when he moved on to the next, and he didn't look back. It seemed like when it was over for him, it was over, and whomever came next was next, and so on and so on. Prince loved his mom and dad also, and I'm sure that he loved his child with Mayte, and if he didn't pass after their deaths, why then would Vanity's death cause him to pass? Sorry if you don't agree, but I'm just being real here.

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I just wanted to say that I agree with you on this. I love romantic notions and even write some romance, but I don't feel that Prince would be one to go gently into that good night over Vanity's death. I think that he had love for her, as you and others have mentioned, but he wasn't in love with her. No offense to anyone, just my opinion. I also agree that when a relationship was over, he didn't look back or have a desire to revisit it. His past is very indicative of this. Vanity and Prince may have become more similar to each other in their spiritual interests as they got older, however, vibrationally, they appeared further apart then ever. Vanity took her spirituality to the extreme, an almost fanatic behavior. No offense again. On the other hand, Prince's thoughts on spirituality were more gentle and quietly that sexuality and spirituality were interwoven as well as including a bit of the mystical (the third eye, for example). Truly, I think he was still waiting for his "one", but to him, she hadn't materialized yet. By surrounding himself with women, he was trying to create a better chance for this materialization.

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If Vanity were indeed Prince's other half, I think he would have fought to the teeth for her on this physical plane instead of the unhappy alternative of meeting her beyond the veil. But fight for her he did not. And that doesn't make him a bad person, he just had moved on with his life and he was in a different place. Honestly, what I feel happened to Prince is that when Vanity died it did hit him hard because I'm sure it brought back many memories and with that comes the memory of youth. I think it gave rise to a great deal of reflection as well as causing him to think about his own mortality and where he was in life. They were the same age after all and it was very well a shock of reality to him. I'm sure he spent many days with a range of swirling emotions surrounding him and great sadness. But I do not think that their souls were entangled in any way that he would follow her into the ether.

*

If anything, I think that with her death, he wanted life even more. He wanted to live. I think he looked at it as a wake up call that he had more things he wanted to accomplish and he wanted to get busy. With this in mind, I think that is why he pushed himself so hard in recent months to perform even if he wasn't feeling the best. In addition to this and more importantly, if he did indeed have a dependence on pain medication, I also feel he was trying to wean himself off them on his own. Why? In part, I think her death made him look long and hard at himself and he didn't want what happened to her to happen to himself. I think he felt he was jeopardizing his health and life. In the midst of this, he either fell ill with the flu on top of it or it was simply him feeling ill because he was trying wean himself off the pain pills. I feel with all my heart that he wanted to live and was trying to take the necessary steps to assure he stayed on this earth. I think he was having trouble doing it on his own though. From what I understand of this type of pain medication, if one tries to wean themselves off it, the need can come back with a vengeance and the risk of accidental overdose is greater. When they had to emergency land the plane that night and there after, I feel that he knew he couldn't do it on his own anymore and everything was spinning out of control. This is when he agreed to meet with the specialist from California, I believe.

*

I don't believe that Vanity's passing had anything to do with what happened to Prince in the way that is being implied. In reality, I think her death inspired him to live and to live better. The chain of events that followed is something he did not foresee. I've thought about this in depth (and cried a lot too) and wanted to express my thoughts on it. Thank you for reading and I gladly accept any comments or thoughts in return.

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I think that if Prince had died a year from now, or 5 years from now what you are saying might have been true. But Prince and Vanity died within weeks of each other. In the time between her death and his, we saw him publicly grieve for her by attending the memorial, speaking about her, and also revealing many of the songs that he had written about her. It's not a romantic notion it's what happened. I think that Prince is right where he wants to be. He is with the woman that he loves, his son, Chick, and most importantly he is with The Lord. It's amazing how much people are thinking about spiritual things since Prince has passed. I pray that through his life and music more people will come to know God or at least consider the things of God. A couple of other songs that may be relevant are Here and 4ever off the Lotusflow3r 3 disc. Check them out. Peace

On Vanity's Facebook, for Jan 29 this year, she explains that for the last 14 years she gave up her desire to get married, and following her pastor's advice, fell in love with Jesus instead.That would be around 2002, shortly after Prince married Mani, and when Prince was helping her financially with medical expenses for dialysis. This corresponds to her statements, after her body rejected the transplanted kidney of 1997, that she had removed herself from the waiting list for a new kidney.

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*She said she was going to trust God to solve her kidney issues. She had to have dialysis for 2 1/2 hours every day.

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*In 2007 she said she was waiting on God to supranaturally hook her and Prince back up.

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Vanity really became totally immersed in her faith after Prince married Mani. She spoke out against the lifestyle of Hollywood and Rock stars. While Prince became more religious too, he still seemed to mess around with women esp after his marriage broke down. Also, Prince could not give up his lifestyle completely and maintain a fan following. For financial reasons alone he would need to maintain an image of a rock star , even if it was a reformed rock star. For this reason alone he and Vanity had become incompatible in their lifestyles.

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It is somewhat curious that the blind item said to be about Prince said that he had stopped taking medication for his illness about 2 years ago, believing God would cure him. Most people thought the religious people influencing him were JW and Larry Graham but I suppose it could have been Vanity and the Harpers. If there is any truth to this blind it could be one last way they mirrored each other.

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At his last concert he dedicated 'I love you but I don't trust you anymore' to Vanity.

I think that if Prince had died a year from now, or 5 years from now what you are saying might have been true. But Prince and Vanity died within weeks of each other. In the time between her death and his, we saw him publicly grieve for her by attending the memorial, speaking about her, and also revealing many of the songs that he had written about her. It's not a romantic notion it's what happened. I think that Prince is right where he wants to be. He is with the woman that he loves, his son, Chick, and most importantly he is with The Lord. It's amazing how much people are thinking about spiritual things since Prince has passed. I pray that through his life and music more people will come to know God or at least consider the things of God. A couple of other songs that may be relevant are Here and 4ever off the Lotusflow3r 3 disc. Check them out. Peace

Well said 30yearold Fan - I couldn't agree more!!! It's not a romantic notion it's what happened, it's what people witnessed and it's what many close to Prince have confirmed.

The cousin of one of my colleagues at work who lives in Australia went to both Prince shows the day Vanity died and she was saying how moved and how emotional the shows were. She said it was very clear that Vanity was someone that Prince genuinely loved and that he seemed distraught at her passing. She wasn't just one of the many, she was "the one!"

TopazGirl said:

I just wanted to say that I agree with you on this. I love romantic notions and even write some romance, but I don't feel that Prince would be one to go gently into that good night over Vanity's death. I think that he had love for her, as you and others have mentioned, but he wasn't in love with her. No offense to anyone, just my opinion. I also agree that when a relationship was over, he didn't look back or have a desire to revisit it. His past is very indicative of this. Vanity and Prince may have become more similar to each other in their spiritual interests as they got older, however, vibrationally, they appeared further apart then ever. Vanity took her spirituality to the extreme, an almost fanatic behavior. No offense again. On the other hand, Prince's thoughts on spirituality were more gentle and quietly that sexuality and spirituality were interwoven as well as including a bit of the mystical (the third eye, for example). Truly, I think he was still waiting for his "one", but to him, she hadn't materialized yet. By surrounding himself with women, he was trying to create a better chance for this materialization.

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If Vanity were indeed Prince's other half, I think he would have fought to the teeth for her on this physical plane instead of the unhappy alternative of meeting her beyond the veil. But fight for her he did not. And that doesn't make him a bad person, he just had moved on with his life and he was in a different place. Honestly, what I feel happened to Prince is that when Vanity died it did hit him hard because I'm sure it brought back many memories and with that comes the memory of youth. I think it gave rise to a great deal of reflection as well as causing him to think about his own mortality and where he was in life. They were the same age after all and it was very well a shock of reality to him. I'm sure he spent many days with a range of swirling emotions surrounding him and great sadness. But I do not think that their souls were entangled in any way that he would follow her into the ether.

*

If anything, I think that with her death, he wanted life even more. He wanted to live. I think he looked at it as a wake up call that he had more things he wanted to accomplish and he wanted to get busy. With this in mind, I think that is why he pushed himself so hard in recent months to perform even if he wasn't feeling the best. In addition to this and more importantly, if he did indeed have a dependence on pain medication, I also feel he was trying to wean himself off them on his own. Why? In part, I think her death made him look long and hard at himself and he didn't want what happened to her to happen to himself. I think he felt he was jeopardizing his health and life. In the midst of this, he either fell ill with the flu on top of it or it was simply him feeling ill because he was trying wean himself off the pain pills. I feel with all my heart that he wanted to live and was trying to take the necessary steps to assure he stayed on this earth. I think he was having trouble doing it on his own though. From what I understand of this type of pain medication, if one tries to wean themselves off it, the need can come back with a vengeance and the risk of accidental overdose is greater. When they had to emergency land the plane that night and there after, I feel that he knew he couldn't do it on his own anymore and everything was spinning out of control. This is when he agreed to meet with the specialist from California, I believe.

*

I don't believe that Vanity's passing had anything to do with what happened to Prince in the way that is being implied. In reality, I think her death inspired him to live and to live better. The chain of events that followed is something he did not foresee. I've thought about this in depth (and cried a lot too) and wanted to express my thoughts on it. Thank you for reading and I gladly accept any comments or thoughts in return.

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I think this is a very thoughtful, insightful and well-reasoned post. I agree with you. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Well everyone is entitled to their own opinion and those of us who think that his relationship with Vanity was special and remained so all of his life is just as valid as interpretation as those who think otherwise.

I will say this, while I respect that there are many fans of Prince grieving, it is not remotely the same as grieving for someone that you knew personally, loved and shared part of your life with.

There are all kinds of different loves in life and some loves are more significant than others. It's also true that some loves and some people leave a more indelible mark on your heart and soul than others. There are also innumerable cases of people that love each other or loved each other that just don't end up together due to any number of circumstances, bad timing, immaturity, incompatibility etc. But that doesn't necessarily change the depth or passion of their feelings for the person. And plenty of people go to their grave, loving people that they didn't end up sharing their lives with. So one never knows.

I'm not saying that the death of Denise caused Prince's death. But if he was already struggling with chronic pain, insomnia, side effects of medication etc. as well as fighting being sick with the flu or whatever else, losing someone that meant a great deal to him certainly did not help and may have had an impact on his state of mind and his physical and emotional ability to remain healthy and strong. As others have pointed out, Prince was just as human as the rest of us and experienced all the moods that anyone else would including sadness and melacholy.

When you still have feelings for someone, even if you are apart, they can influence you. She had been his muse during the most important part of his career, it is not a stretch, given his turn toward religion, to think she still influenced him.

And when you lose someone who meant a great deal, whom you loved deeply, it can easily send you into a depression, over which you are kinda powerless, or at least very weakened. Grief can suppress your immune system as well.

No one really knows his precise feelings and thoughts during these last months and unless he wrote them down and they are leaked, or he told someone, we will never know. We do know that he was starting to dream about the dead back in January, after Bowie's death, because he told someone. Perhaps we will find out more as the weeks pass.

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30yearfan said:

I think that if Prince had died a year from now, or 5 years from now what you are saying might have been true. But Prince and Vanity died within weeks of each other. In the time between her death and his, we saw him publicly grieve for her by attending the memorial, speaking about her, and also revealing many of the songs that he had written about her. It's not a romantic notion it's what happened. I think that Prince is right where he wants to be. He is with the woman that he loves, his son, Chick, and most importantly he is with The Lord. It's amazing how much people are thinking about spiritual things since Prince has passed. I pray that through his life and music more people will come to know God or at least consider the things of God. A couple of other songs that may be relevant are Here and 4ever off the Lotusflow3r 3 disc. Check them out. Peace

Yes, i 100% agree.....it was weeks, not years or decades later that he passed away, that his health took a turn for the worst, turning more towards religion as she did and then he passing away..so suddenly.. soon after she did AND at the same age as her, honestly, it was the first thing i and many others thought. And both being 57 really adds to the WOW factor for me as well.

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I am glad they are 2gether now. Vanity got her face to face with Prince as she requested by God, in the supernatural, becuase like she said ONLY GOD CAN DO THAT and its happened....... eternally.

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WELL here's a curve ball I wasn't expecting but maybe the way to interpret this is that the guy was seeking comfort. I got this email today from a British gossip site called Popbitch. This would have been the night he heard about Vanity. Thoughts?

"

>> Remembering Prince <<
A final visit down under

Seems like Prince was still
at it, right until the very
end. At a recent gig of his in
Melbourne, Prince's security
approached two 40-something
ladies to ask if they'd like
to attend the after-party.

Once there, the security guy
asked one of them for her
phone number. The lucky lady
in question had an early hours
visit that night from the
purple one himself – direct
to her suburban home.

Hmmmm a gossip magazine? No thoughts really....its probably made up.

beachy said:

beachy said:

When you still have feelings for someone, even if you are apart, they can influence you. She had been his muse during the most important part of his career, it is not a stretch, given his turn toward religion, to think she still influenced him.

And when you lose someone who meant a great deal, whom you loved deeply, it can easily send you into a depression, over which you are kinda powerless, or at least very weakened. Grief can suppress your immune system as well.

No one really knows his precise feelings and thoughts during these last months and unless he wrote them down and they are leaked, or he told someone, we will never know. We do know that he was starting to dream about the dead back in January, after Bowie's death, because he told someone. Perhaps we will find out more as the weeks pass.

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Definitely with you on all of this. It's not a romantic notion think he lost his way when Denise passed away. He loved her deeply and was not able to be her and was always trying fill that hole with someone else- many someone elses. When a man falls heads over heels for a woman and then the relationship ends, many times after that, every woman that comes along, he compares to the one that stole his heart. This is happened with my husband and I. I left him shortly after we started seeing each other about 19 years ago. I was young and naive. My husband had already traveled the world in the military and was ready to settle down, I was not so I ran. It hurt him deeply. He went on to date after that, and so did I. One fateful day, over a year later, he called to speak was my housemate about relationship advice. When he said that, I felt like my heart fell out of me. I knew he was the ONE and let him slip away. When I got the nerve to drop my pride and tell him that I ran because I was scared and immature, he told me that we'd only ever be friends. We were both in relationships with other people at that point, but 4 months later, we were "giving it a try" . Anyway, he told me that while he dated the other women in that year +, he was always comparing them to me. Here we are together 18 years and married for 16. This is why for me is not that hard to believe that the spark he found with Denise, he was not able to find that with the other women he was with. My husband even commented that he felt Prince was not well physically, but Denise's death, the feeling that his career was stagnant, and possibly Bowie's death all drove him to a very low point. I wonder if the person/people who end up inheriting his fortune will publish the 50 pages of his memoir that is said to have been completed. We may get confirmation BUT if not, I will still hold on to that Prince always was in love with Denise.

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beachy said:

WELL here's a curve ball I wasn't expecting but maybe the way to interpret this is that the guy was seeking comfort. I got this email today from a British gossip site called Popbitch. This would have been the night he heard about Vanity. Thoughts?

"

>> Remembering Prince <<
A final visit down under

Seems like Prince was still
at it, right until the very
end. At a recent gig of his in
Melbourne, Prince's security
approached two 40-something
ladies to ask if they'd like
to attend the after-party.

Once there, the security guy
asked one of them for her
phone number. The lucky lady
in question had an early hours
visit that night from the
purple one himself – direct
to her suburban home.

That is a curveball for sure. I hope it's just a rumor.

beachy said:

On Vanity's Facebook, for Jan 29 this year, she explains that for the last 14 years she gave up her desire to get married, and following her pastor's advice, fell in love with Jesus instead.That would be around 2002, shortly after Prince married Mani, and when Prince was helping her financially with medical expenses for dialysis. This corresponds to her statements, after her body rejected the transplanted kidney of 1997, that she had removed herself from the waiting list for a new kidney.

-

*She said she was going to trust God to solve her kidney issues. She had to have dialysis for 2 1/2 hours every day.

-

*In 2007 she said she was waiting on God to supranaturally hook her and Prince back up.

-

Vanity really became totally immersed in her faith after Prince married Mani. She spoke out against the lifestyle of Hollywood and Rock stars. While Prince became more religious too, he still seemed to mess around with women esp after his marriage broke down. Also, Prince could not give up his lifestyle completely and maintain a fan following. For financial reasons alone he would need to maintain an image of a rock star , even if it was a reformed rock star. For this reason alone he and Vanity had become incompatible in their lifestyles.

-

It is somewhat curious that the blind item said to be about Prince said that he had stopped taking medication for his illness about 2 years ago, believing God would cure him. Most people thought the religious people influencing him were JW and Larry Graham but I suppose it could have been Vanity and the Harpers. If there is any truth to this blind it could be one last way they mirrored each other.

-

At his last concert he dedicated 'I love you but I don't trust you anymore' to Vanity.

Excellent post -- thank you so much.

purplegirl00 said:

beachy said:

When you still have feelings for someone, even if you are apart, they can influence you. She had been his muse during the most important part of his career, it is not a stretch, given his turn toward religion, to think she still influenced him.

And when you lose someone who meant a great deal, whom you loved deeply, it can easily send you into a depression, over which you are kinda powerless, or at least very weakened. Grief can suppress your immune system as well.

No one really knows his precise feelings and thoughts during these last months and unless he wrote them down and they are leaked, or he told someone, we will never know. We do know that he was starting to dream about the dead back in January, after Bowie's death, because he told someone. Perhaps we will find out more as the weeks pass.

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Definitely with you on all of this. It's not a romantic notion think he lost his way when Denise passed away. He loved her deeply and was not able to be her and was always trying fill that hole with someone else- many someone elses. When a man falls heads over heels for a woman and then the relationship ends, many times after that, every woman that comes along, he compares to the one that stole his heart. This is happened with my husband and I. I left him shortly after we started seeing each other about 19 years ago. I was young and naive. My husband had already traveled the world in the military and was ready to settle down, I was not so I ran. It hurt him deeply. He went on to date after that, and so did I. One fateful day, over a year later, he called to speak was my housemate about relationship advice. When he said that, I felt like my heart fell out of me. I knew he was the ONE and let him slip away. When I got the nerve to drop my pride and tell him that I ran because I was scared and immature, he told me that we'd only ever be friends. We were both in relationships with other people at that point, but 4 months later, we were "giving it a try" . Anyway, he told me that while he dated the other women in that year +, he was always comparing them to me. Here we are together 18 years and married for 16. This is why for me is not that hard to believe that the spark he found with Denise, he was not able to find that with the other women he was with. My husband even commented that he felt Prince was not well physically, but Denise's death, the feeling that his career was stagnant, and possibly Bowie's death all drove him to a very low point. I wonder if the person/people who end up inheriting his fortune will publish the 50 pages of his memoir that is said to have been completed. We may get confirmation BUT if not, I will still hold on to that Prince always was in love with Denise.

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That's a nice story, thanks for sharing. I do feel that their youth, promiscuity, success, Vanity's lack of money and Prince's overabundance of money, and drugs did them in.

I got a recording of Prince's concert on Feb 16 and am listening to it. It's pretty tough.He sings the ladder to her but changes the words. I'm going to see if I can transcribe. but it pretty much explains the feeling of loss.

beachy said:

purplegirl00 said:

Definitely with you on all of this. It's not a romantic notion think he lost his way when Denise passed away. He loved her deeply and was not able to be her and was always trying fill that hole with someone else- many someone elses. When a man falls heads over heels for a woman and then the relationship ends, many times after that, every woman that comes along, he compares to the one that stole his heart. This is happened with my husband and I. I left him shortly after we started seeing each other about 19 years ago. I was young and naive. My husband had already traveled the world in the military and was ready to settle down, I was not so I ran. It hurt him deeply. He went on to date after that, and so did I. One fateful day, over a year later, he called to speak was my housemate about relationship advice. When he said that, I felt like my heart fell out of me. I knew he was the ONE and let him slip away. When I got the nerve to drop my pride and tell him that I ran because I was scared and immature, he told me that we'd only ever be friends. We were both in relationships with other people at that point, but 4 months later, we were "giving it a try" . Anyway, he told me that while he dated the other women in that year +, he was always comparing them to me. Here we are together 18 years and married for 16. This is why for me is not that hard to believe that the spark he found with Denise, he was not able to find that with the other women he was with. My husband even commented that he felt Prince was not well physically, but Denise's death, the feeling that his career was stagnant, and possibly Bowie's death all drove him to a very low point. I wonder if the person/people who end up inheriting his fortune will publish the 50 pages of his memoir that is said to have been completed. We may get confirmation BUT if not, I will still hold on to that Prince always was in love with Denise.

[Edited 5/13/16 15:47pm]

That's a nice story, thanks for sharing. I do feel that their youth, promiscuity, success, Vanity's lack of money and Prince's overabundance of money, and drugs did them in.

I got a recording of Prince's concert on Feb 16 and am listening to it. It's pretty tough.He sings the ladder to her but changes the words. I'm going to see if I can transcribe. but it pretty much explains the feeling of loss.

Yes, that did them in. It is a tragedy really and not romantic. I also heard the recording of Feb. 16th and I cried at several parts- Little Red Corvette/Dirty Mind and Sometimes it Snows in April/Purple Rain. Playing those songs in slow tempo with the piano, gave it such an intimate feel. You could especially hear and feel the heartwrenching pain when he sang Beautiful Ones and at the end he said "Denise" instead of "knees". He said she knew about that one.

Here's the words he sang, the best I can make them out.

"The Ladder"

Everybody's looking 4 the ladder
Everybody wants there to be a love of the soul

(Do you know this song?)

Oh once upon a time in the land of Sinaplenty
There lived a king who didn't deserve 2 be
He knew not where he was going
But he should have known where he came from

He had a subject named Vanity
Who loved him with a passion, uncontested
But one day, one day, her smile went away. now
To this day he wanders and says

Everybody's looking 4 the answer
How (?) how the story is gonna end
Now the steps U take, the steps you take are no easy road
but I (oh yeah I do I do I do I do)

Everybody's, everybody's looking 4 the answer
to love

piano ….

Everybody's looking 4 the ladder
Everybody wants to know how its gonna end, how its gonna end
if we knew if we knew if we knew
if love will be, love will be again

piano ….

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beachy said:

Here's the words he sang, the best I can make them out.

"The Ladder"

Everybody's looking 4 the ladder
Everybody wants there to be a love of the soul

(Do you know this song?)

Oh once upon a time in the land of Sinaplenty
There lived a king who didn't deserve 2 be
He knew not where he was going
But he should have known where he came from

He had a subject named Vanity
Who loved him with a passion, uncontested
But one day, one day, her smile went away. now
To this day he wanders and says

Everybody's looking 4 the answer
How (?) how the story is gonna end
Now the steps U take, the steps you take are no easy road
bur I (oh yeah I do I do I do I do)

Everybody's, everybody's looking 4 the answer
to love

piano ….

Everybody's looking 4 the ladder
Everybody wants to know how its gonna end, how its gonna end
if we knew if we knew if we knew
if love will be, love will be again

piano ….

Yes, I heard this too. Thanks for transcribing. I interpret the bolded to be now to THIS day as in today.