thank U beachy and avajane 4 your very insightful responses! Thank U every1 this thread has helped me a lot!

Goddess4Real said:

avajane said:

PURplEMaPLeSyrup said: The artist's name is Annika Bàckström and this is a website where she sells her artwork https://society6.com/prod...&13=54 The name of this artwork is called Höra Ihop which is Swedish for Belong Together.

Stunning work thanks

Someone at work told me about ''twin flames''...its as if both people share a soul, have that internal connection, as only a twin would...a mirrored image of the other.

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Didn't Prince once say looking into Vanitys face was like looking into his own, the female version of himself???

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Hmmmmmm?

dragondayz said:

http://www.people.com/art...love-story I could see Adore and many songs from Purle Rain being written about her.

THANK YOU FOR THIS!

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Just confirms what Carmen Electra has been saying.....Purple Rain was all about Vanity

beachy said:

PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

Just wanted any1 more knowledgable to correct the accuracy of some thoughts i've been having on this subject. So

I'm getting the idea that Vanity was Prince's first deep love, and his first, prototype protege (and also the first of his deep loves to pass on?)? And maybe his evolving tapestry of proteges were in some ways attempts to redeem aspects of his first protege that he wished had turned out better. Even though her drug use was her choice, maybe he felt a great hope to somehow undo those things that had led to her health issues. Did any of his future proteges have drug issues to the extent that Vanity had? He being a perfectionist, maybe part of him always wanted to fix that first love. Maybe part of his spiritual interests were inspired by a desire to heal Denise. And when she passed on, that closed a door on a hope that had been fueling some of his goals. But perhaps it also meant that he had succeeded, he had perfected the protege process, so that his mirror muse angel could now return to heaven.

I noticed that Denise married in 1995 and wondered if this had any influence on Prince deciding to marry in 1996, i.e. move on since Denise was now officially unavailable. Also wonder if Vanity's overdose in 1994 was in any way connected to sadness of Prince's growing love with Mayte. Sorry, just trying to make connections to more fully understand this theory. I had zero interest in Prince's personal life until this news hit that i want to undo or at least make sense of. I can understand his desire to have young beautiful women around him. I think part of his ministry was to appeal to people attracted to that beautiful face, and he being a sensitive mirror himself, found it helpful to be around and reflect that youth and beauty.

Honestly i believe that he could be alive somewhere. Any cause would be tragic, but this thought of a connection to Denise is the most deep beautiful poetic explanation i'm aware of. it seems like he was aware that something big and unexpected was coming.

I tend to think there was alot of immaturity, drugs, promiscuity, jealousy, huge egos esp Prince's involved in their breakup but also the back and forth that apparently went on for some time. Underneath it all though I think Vanity represented his ideal woman, of whom he found many copies but never quite found the original again. Vanity had come very close to dying on a couple of occasions and could not risk that life again but also I think Prince's promiscuity upset her emotionally to the degree it spun her into drug abuse. They had both come from broken homes with physical abuse (esp Vanity) and I also read that because of her abusive background and emotional sensitivity she could not tolerate feeling controlled.Prince on the other hand admitted to an interviewer that he needed to control people because otherwise he felt they would leave him and he would be all alone (his parents pushed him out onto the streets when he was 12).

Prince would be with other women and in revenge Vanity would be with other men, and Prince just could not tolerate that. Apparently the summer of 83 Prince was conducting an affair with Jill Jones and in return Vanity went off with the director of Purple Rain Albert Magnoli, and was getting cozy with Adam Ant, Micki Freeh, and the final nail in the coffin was Brownmark, which is when Prince decided he could not take anymore.

At least she was his equal in dishing it back out to him. Underneath it all they had a wild and crazy attraction for each other that was extremely passionate. It was said when she quit the movie that he immediately found another girl to star in it that looked just like her, and this was Appolonia, whom he took to a club to parade in front of Vanity, and also took her to bed to hurt Vanity.

In the diary of Vanity's that was recently on ebay there is a page describing her last day in Minneapolis, how she called Prince to say goodbye and they met up at First Avenue. She says in the diary that she knows he will never change (his ways about women) and so even though this is the hardest thing she's done, she's determined to leave. But she did so sweetly, on good terms. There seems to have been some overlap with Susannah, and some meetings in 1987 but by this year Vanity was in sorry shape due to the drugs, and this was also a negative time for Prince.

Personally I think Prince getting married was a reaction to Vanity's marriage which had taken place out of the blue in March 1995. Vanity's marriage collapsed amidst worries about her safety because of her husband's tendency toward physical abuse in 1996 so I also wondered if that breakup played any role in the breakdown of his marriage to Mayte since she was free again. But then Vanity's kidneys gave out and she needed a transplant and then became fulltime evangelist. As sweet as Mayte was, as intelligent as Susannah was, as great musically as Sheila E was, I always felt that Vanity was his match. She had a kind of charisma that the others lacked, but which complemented Prince's, and they seemed to amplify each other's 'light' as it were. I did not regard Mani as anything more than a palliative rebound girl who was in the right place at the right time and looked alot like Vanity. He married her right when both his parents died. That's when he married Mani (mother substitute?) and got heavily involved with Larry Graham and JW (father substitute?)

Oh one other parallel. Vanity announced her engagement to Nikki Sixx in June 1987 then goes to Minneapolis to see Prince (to rub his face in it?). Prince is in his black period, and horrible to work with (reaction to her engagement?). The next year on tour he 'asks' Sheila to marry him but never follows through. Just like Vanity had done. I also wondered whether Prince asking Sheila E was just a way of keeping score with Vanity and getting pleasure from knowing he could marry if he wanted to. Poor Sheila.

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Good observations... though reading that has now made me feel some different kind of sadness :/

Where/what was the interview in which P. talks about being controlling?

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GeniusLuv said:

Goddess4Real said:

Stunning work thanks

Someone at work told me about ''twin flames''...its as if both people share a soul, have that internal connection, as only a twin would...a mirrored image of the other.

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Didn't Prince once say looking into Vanitys face was like looking into his own, the female version of himself???

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Hmmmmmm?

yeah! thanks. sadly only after she passed did i read that he named her after a vanity mirror instead of the other meaning of vanity. i wonder how that relates to that oprah interview where he talks about having 2 people in him. he seemed to demonstrate his liking of a person by reflecting them.

avajane said:

PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

avajane said:

The name of this artwork is called Höra Ihop which is Swedish for Belong Together.

I should probably keep this to myself, but where I live, ihop means the international house of pancakes, so when I saw the Swedish name, my mind thought 'pancake time' which in a way is a princey version of communion, seemed related to 'belong together' sorry, offtrack

Thank you so much for this

GeniusLuv said:

PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

The name of this artwork is called Höra Ihop which is Swedish for Belong Together.

I should probably keep this to myself, but where I live, ihop means the international house of pancakes, so when I saw the Swedish name, my mind thought 'pancake time' which in a way is a princey version of communion, seemed related to 'belong together' sorry, offtrack

Thank you so much for this

Prince and the pancakes!

tigerLily77 said:

beachy said:

I tend to think there was alot of immaturity, drugs, promiscuity, jealousy, huge egos esp Prince's involved in their breakup but also the back and forth that apparently went on for some time. Underneath it all though I think Vanity represented his ideal woman, of whom he found many copies but never quite found the original again. Vanity had come very close to dying on a couple of occasions and could not risk that life again but also I think Prince's promiscuity upset her emotionally to the degree it spun her into drug abuse. They had both come from broken homes with physical abuse (esp Vanity) and I also read that because of her abusive background and emotional sensitivity she could not tolerate feeling controlled.Prince on the other hand admitted to an interviewer that he needed to control people because otherwise he felt they would leave him and he would be all alone (his parents pushed him out onto the streets when he was 12).

Prince would be with other women and in revenge Vanity would be with other men, and Prince just could not tolerate that. Apparently the summer of 83 Prince was conducting an affair with Jill Jones and in return Vanity went off with the director of Purple Rain Albert Magnoli, and was getting cozy with Adam Ant, Micki Freeh, and the final nail in the coffin was Brownmark, which is when Prince decided he could not take anymore.

At least she was his equal in dishing it back out to him. Underneath it all they had a wild and crazy attraction for each other that was extremely passionate. It was said when she quit the movie that he immediately found another girl to star in it that looked just like her, and this was Appolonia, whom he took to a club to parade in front of Vanity, and also took her to bed to hurt Vanity.

In the diary of Vanity's that was recently on ebay there is a page describing her last day in Minneapolis, how she called Prince to say goodbye and they met up at First Avenue. She says in the diary that she knows he will never change (his ways about women) and so even though this is the hardest thing she's done, she's determined to leave. But she did so sweetly, on good terms. There seems to have been some overlap with Susannah, and some meetings in 1987 but by this year Vanity was in sorry shape due to the drugs, and this was also a negative time for Prince.

Personally I think Prince getting married was a reaction to Vanity's marriage which had taken place out of the blue in March 1995. Vanity's marriage collapsed amidst worries about her safety because of her husband's tendency toward physical abuse in 1996 so I also wondered if that breakup played any role in the breakdown of his marriage to Mayte since she was free again. But then Vanity's kidneys gave out and she needed a transplant and then became fulltime evangelist. As sweet as Mayte was, as intelligent as Susannah was, as great musically as Sheila E was, I always felt that Vanity was his match. She had a kind of charisma that the others lacked, but which complemented Prince's, and they seemed to amplify each other's 'light' as it were. I did not regard Mani as anything more than a palliative rebound girl who was in the right place at the right time and looked alot like Vanity. He married her right when both his parents died. That's when he married Mani (mother substitute?) and got heavily involved with Larry Graham and JW (father substitute?)

Oh one other parallel. Vanity announced her engagement to Nikki Sixx in June 1987 then goes to Minneapolis to see Prince (to rub his face in it?). Prince is in his black period, and horrible to work with (reaction to her engagement?). The next year on tour he 'asks' Sheila to marry him but never follows through. Just like Vanity had done. I also wondered whether Prince asking Sheila E was just a way of keeping score with Vanity and getting pleasure from knowing he could marry if he wanted to. Poor Sheila.

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Good observations... though reading that has now made me feel some different kind of sadness :/

Where/what was the interview in which P. talks about being controlling?

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It was in the Omnibus : Prince Rogers Nelson documentary (BBC 1991).

Neal Karlen was the journalist from Rolling Stone asking him about his reputation as a control freak. Prince answered he had to protect himself. It's almost at the end of the documentary, at about the 57:00 mark.

PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

GeniusLuv said:

Someone at work told me about ''twin flames''...its as if both people share a soul, have that internal connection, as only a twin would...a mirrored image of the other.

.

Didn't Prince once say looking into Vanitys face was like looking into his own, the female version of himself???

.

Hmmmmmm?

yeah! thanks. sadly only after she passed did i read that he named her after a vanity mirror instead of the other meaning of vanity. i wonder how that relates to that oprah interview where he talks about having 2 people in him. he seemed to demonstrate his liking of a person by reflecting them.

I read this on another forum today:

"“He said to me that we were each other in another life, and I believe that.” -Vanity

Vanity was married in mid 1995, and the rumor was the Prince was shocked and devastated. This is right around the time the rumors started that he was going to wed soon to either Nona or Mayte."

The quote from Vanity is from an interview with her in Playboy April 1988. You can find the quote here:

http://fuckyeahh1980s.tumblr.com/post/139414687210/fuckyeahh1980s-vanity-vanity-gave-an

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beachy said:

PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

yeah! thanks. sadly only after she passed did i read that he named her after a vanity mirror instead of the other meaning of vanity. i wonder how that relates to that oprah interview where he talks about having 2 people in him. he seemed to demonstrate his liking of a person by reflecting them.

I read this on another forum today:

"“He said to me that we were each other in another life, and I believe that.” -Vanity

Vanity was married in mid 1995, and the rumor was the Prince was shocked and devastated. This is right around the time the rumors started that he was going to wed soon to either Nona or Mayte."

The quote from Vanity is from an interview with her in Playboy April 1988. You can find the quote here:

http://fuckyeahh1980s.tumblr.com/post/139414687210/fuckyeahh1980s-vanity-vanity-gave-an

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Thanks, Is her Playboy interview still available? Haven't come across it on You Tube etc.

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Yeah, as my friend G use to say. Every woman after Vanity, he tried to re-create them in her image.

anudha said:

Yeah, as my friend G use to say. Every woman after Vanity, he tried to re-create them in her image.

Plus her image is iconic, of course he is gonna try to re-create, but lets face it she was the OG Muse. I got me a pair of those boots like the ones she wore

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beachy said:

"and the final nail in the coffin was Brownmark"... ......Damn! Never knew about that.

GeniusLuv said:

satickle said:

satickle said:

Check out what Dionne Farris said http://dionnefarris.com/index.html

From what I have read about Dinner with Delores, was Delores was a metaphor for Warner Brothers being so hungry for him and wanting to screw him over.

Someone also said it was about a woman trying to censor him.

purplegirl00 said:

satickle said:

Maybe I missed it in this thread but did he ever try to get back with vanity ? I also wonder if he never got back with any of his exes because they were no longer attractive to him since he preferred young women. The Dionne song-- I recent read it was a song dedicated to Dionne Farris that sang I know What You're Doing. He came to see her and left a hand written note.

My thinking for their not reconciling had some to do with Denise's fear of the past and getting back into the Hollywood lifestyle she had left behind. Only my thoughts.

that's true or having her heart broken again

satickle said:

Check out what Dionne Farris said http://dionnefarris.com/index.html

From what I have read about Dinner with Delores, was Delores was a metaphor for Warner Brothers being so hungry for him and wanting to screw him over.

Someone also said it was about a woman trying to censor him.

What a chamer he was. Damn

Prince man...

you were as smooth as butter.

satickle said:

purplegirl00 said:

satickle said: My thinking for their not reconciling had some to do with Denise's fear of the past and getting back into the Hollywood lifestyle she had left behind. Only my thoughts.

that's true or having her heart broken again

That too!

In 1994 Prince released the album 'Come' This was after Vanity/Denise was in the hospital and almost died.

The last song was called "Orgasm' and used Vanity's moans she had recorded for 'Vibrator.' It's a very hot number.

At the very end of the song and the album, Prince clearly says 'I love you'. On the liner notes for the song it says "She knows".

There is a rumor that he put this song on the album so she could collect royalties on the album sales - to help her pay her medical expenses.

In 1995, on March 25th, Vanity got married to Anthony Smith, a very tall and big football player. She had known him for just a month and had asked him to marry her after just 3 days. It was a total surprise and on April 17th the couple was on the cover of Jet magazine, and the story inside had all these photos of the two at their new home doing things couples do. It was reported that Prince was shocked and devastated, and this is when the rumors of him marrying Mayte started.

Perhaps the marriage to Mayte was a rebound. i'm not saying he didn't love her, but he may have taken the plunge because Vanity was now 'gone'.

30yearfan already detailed how the song 'One of your tears' might be describing the photos.

beachy said:

In 1994 Prince released the album 'Come' This was after Vanity/Denise was in the hospital and almost died.

The last song was called "Orgasm' and used Vanity's moans she had recorded for 'Vibrator.' It's a very hot number.

At the very end of the song and the album, Prince clearly says 'I love you'. On the liner notes for the song it says "She knows".

There is a rumor that he put this song on the album so she could collect royalties on the album sales - to help her pay her medical expenses.

RachB65 said:

Hello everyone. I found this site a day or two after Prince passed and have been reading and lurking ever since..I joined some days ago but have been waiting to post n reply. Its been excruciating!! And i know some of the things ive wanted to say have been lost from my head but hopefully i can bring these things back up from my subconscious when i come across a specifically related post topic...Anyway, i first heard Prince in 1980, was a huge devotee for about 14 yrs til U2's Achtung Baby and the alt scene dragged me away...And even tho im an astrologer n a enthusiast of the esoteric, i found the name change to a symbol highly arrogant;of course i wasnt fully aware of the reasons behind it. In any case, when i heard Prince died it hit me harder than i thought it could...More than MJ or Whitney or Bowie..It actually came closer to how i felt about Glenn Frey passing, tho this is even more intense...Ive learned so much about Prince from reading so many threads and posts on here....I wish i had kept up on his music n his life. I hope he isnt watching n brooding over all that has happened n continues to happen after he passed. But i prefer to believe hes off making his celestial music somewhere with the masters, and his twin flame Vanity. Because thats what they were. They were a mirror to each other, their lives followed a similar path, except perhaps for the drug abuse, but its uncanny how their lives ran parallel in a sense, being the same age and dying within a couple of months of each other...And the eerie numbers/numerology coincidences that have been posted. Tho i dont believe in coincidence. I prefer the term synchronicities. I believe Prince's passing(and many prophetic lyrics)and his spiritual philosophies have shed a light on the world to see..It is all of you devoted admirers of his that have recognized many of these things. And i bet many of you never even thought in those terms before other than to decipher The Purple One's cryptic clues. He has made you AWARE. He has left behind all of this for all of you, knowing you will see and understand. He left behind a vault full of his 'work' and who knows what else. He was a weird and ferociously brilliant man. A typical Gemini in attitude, behavior art and public persona. His loss to this world is inestimable and I plan to hear every bit of music he did. I read a couple posts on Jill Jones' FB page and i think she recognized a deep spiritual truth..That many of the highly evolved spiritual 'masters' have been leaving the earth recently...What is left behind, or in line to take their place is a mystery...There will never be another like Prince. Or Bowie. And that makes me very sad... This forum has been a comfort and it moves me deeply to seehow u all have been the same to each other. I believe thats how his Purple Majesty planned it to be. In any case,when i heard of the emergency plane landing and then his (too quick) assurances that he was fine, i did not believe it at all and felt something worse was going to happen. Unfortunately that feeling was correct 😦

thanks for your thoughtful post! If the song "sometimes it snows in april" is prophetic then i feel good that prince is now "a whole lot better off than he was before" but as usual the sadness is 4 those of us left behind but i feel on many levels he is here and alive. enjoy delving in2 his music!

just more random musings here:

the band "vanity 6" -- i know i read that the 6 referred to members' 6 breasts, but i was wondering if it was also about the 6th sense or double the 3rd eye, since vanity is prince's double. its cool how prince's final avatar seems to say that he will always be watching with his 3rd eye and we should do that too.

PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

RachB65 said:

Hello everyone. I found this site a day or two after Prince passed and have been reading and lurking ever since..I joined some days ago but have been waiting to post n reply. Its been excruciating!! And i know some of the things ive wanted to say have been lost from my head but hopefully i can bring these things back up from my subconscious when i come across a specifically related post topic...Anyway, i first heard Prince in 1980, was a huge devotee for about 14 yrs til U2's Achtung Baby and the alt scene dragged me away...And even tho im an astrologer n a enthusiast of the esoteric, i found the name change to a symbol highly arrogant;of course i wasnt fully aware of the reasons behind it. In any case, when i heard Prince died it hit me harder than i thought it could...More than MJ or Whitney or Bowie..It actually came closer to how i felt about Glenn Frey passing, tho this is even more intense...Ive learned so much about Prince from reading so many threads and posts on here....I wish i had kept up on his music n his life. I hope he isnt watching n brooding over all that has happened n continues to happen after he passed. But i prefer to believe hes off making his celestial music somewhere with the masters, and his twin flame Vanity. Because thats what they were. They were a mirror to each other, their lives followed a similar path, except perhaps for the drug abuse, but its uncanny how their lives ran parallel in a sense, being the same age and dying within a couple of months of each other...And the eerie numbers/numerology coincidences that have been posted. Tho i dont believe in coincidence. I prefer the term synchronicities. I believe Prince's passing(and many prophetic lyrics)and his spiritual philosophies have shed a light on the world to see..It is all of you devoted admirers of his that have recognized many of these things. And i bet many of you never even thought in those terms before other than to decipher The Purple One's cryptic clues. He has made you AWARE. He has left behind all of this for all of you, knowing you will see and understand. He left behind a vault full of his 'work' and who knows what else. He was a weird and ferociously brilliant man. A typical Gemini in attitude, behavior art and public persona. His loss to this world is inestimable and I plan to hear every bit of music he did. I read a couple posts on Jill Jones' FB page and i think she recognized a deep spiritual truth..That many of the highly evolved spiritual 'masters' have been leaving the earth recently...What is left behind, or in line to take their place is a mystery...There will never be another like Prince. Or Bowie. And that makes me very sad... This forum has been a comfort and it moves me deeply to seehow u all have been the same to each other. I believe thats how his Purple Majesty planned it to be. In any case,when i heard of the emergency plane landing and then his (too quick) assurances that he was fine, i did not believe it at all and felt something worse was going to happen. Unfortunately that feeling was correct 😦

thanks for your thoughtful post! If the song "sometimes it snows in april" is prophetic then i feel good that prince is now "a whole lot better off than he was before" but as usual the sadness is 4 those of us left behind but i feel on many levels he is here and alive. enjoy delving in2 his music!

I felt sadness when MJ died, but in some way, I felt as if now he could be at peace. I think knowing how deeply troubled he was made it easier to let him go. For Prince, it's not going to be so easy. For one thing, I was more of a Prince fan than MJ and while I knew some of his romantic history, it was not something I followed very closely. He didn't have the scandals like MJ or have a family that was in the public eye constantly. His life was largely private. When I heard Denise had passed away, I really didn't think much about Prince other than she was his girlfriend/ protege at one time.

If indeed he was depressed & incredibily grief stricken over Denise's death because she was his soulmate/twin flame all this time, and this was one of the big contributing factors to his death, then I can let him go. He is "a whole lot better off than he was before" and he doesn't have to "cry for love or cry for pain" anymore.

Prince randomly mentions Vanity while talking to Jet about Mayte his wife.

'He is thankful for his wife's loving support. "Through her eyes I could see different things."

He mentions his former famous friendship with his protege Vanity, who is now an evangelist. "Everyone thought I was going to marry Vanity. She is where I am right now. She's connected with her spirit. I heard her say she was worrying about my spirit, but everything is OK,” he says happily.'

- Prince in Jet, Nov 6, 1995 right after he lost his child.

In mid1998 Prince buys a mansion in Marbella and essentially ships Mayte off to live there. They are basically separated and he has promoted Mani to be his personal assistant.

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