isobelfq said:

I obviously missed something. who are the Mojica sisters and what do they have to do with this?

p.s.

i don't trust Mani either. as soon as she walked onto the screen i thought "i don't trust this bitch."
she has the aura of the type of person who'll get you to confide in them and then turn around and tell what you said to the person you were talking about and then turn back around to you and try to convince you that she told for the greater good, especially yours. and, scripted or not, i thought it was low down and dirty to brag about her baby to mayte. any real friend would have refused to do something like that. she ain't about shit and mayte needs to wise up and dump her ass.

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Agreed! I can't believe Mayte is friends with Mani- the woman just oozes sinister-ness. Seriously, how can Mayte not see it? That woman is the devil. And Prince- he's the most on-top-of his business- not gonna let anybody screw him- type of man and he got so played by this coniving woman- and she just continues to do it! Evil !

lauralevesque said:

isobelfq said:

I obviously missed something. who are the Mojica sisters and what do they have to do with this?

p.s.

i don't trust Mani either. as soon as she walked onto the screen i thought "i don't trust this bitch."
she has the aura of the type of person who'll get you to confide in them and then turn around and tell what you said to the person you were talking about and then turn back around to you and try to convince you that she told for the greater good, especially yours. and, scripted or not, i thought it was low down and dirty to brag about her baby to mayte. any real friend would have refused to do something like that. she ain't about shit and mayte needs to wise up and dump her ass.

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Agreed! I can't believe Mayte is friends with Mani- the woman just oozes sinister-ness. Seriously, how can Mayte not see it? That woman is the devil. And Prince- he's the most on-top-of his business- not gonna let anybody screw him- type of man and he got so played by this coniving woman- and she just continues to do it! Evil !

right. I think I called her Snake Woman after someone refered to her as a cobra.

She is shady for sure. Mayte comes off so damn easy... like taking candy from a baby. I bet her mother tried to warn her about Mani. Because Janelle does not seem to be as gullible as her daughter.

prodigalfan said:

lauralevesque said:

Agreed! I can't believe Mayte is friends with Mani- the woman just oozes sinister-ness. Seriously, how can Mayte not see it? That woman is the devil. And Prince- he's the most on-top-of his business- not gonna let anybody screw him- type of man and he got so played by this coniving woman- and she just continues to do it! Evil !

right. I think I called her Snake Woman after someone refered to her as a cobra.

She is shady for sure. Mayte comes off so damn easy... like taking candy from a baby. I bet her mother tried to warn her about Mani. Because Janelle does not seem to be as gullible as her daughter.

LOL! Shady or not, Prince is no fool. Besides he has done more than his share of playing females. Did Karma bite him in the butt with Mani? I don't know, but she is now married to another ( if lesser) star. A man who was rumored to be a "sex addict". We don't hear that since Mani tamed his ass. So what does Mani have that Haile Berry and Mayte don't ?...Anyone?

isobelfq said:

I obviously missed something. who are the Mojica sisters and what do they have to do with this?

p.s.

i don't trust Mani either. as soon as she walked onto the screen i thought "i don't trust this bitch."
she has the aura of the type of person who'll get you to confide in them and then turn around and tell what you said to the person you were talking about and then turn back around to you and try to convince you that she told for the greater good, especially yours. and, scripted or not, i thought it was low down and dirty to brag about her baby to mayte. any real friend would have refused to do something like that. she ain't about shit and mayte needs to wise up and dump her ass.

[Edited 7/8/12 20:06pm]

The Mojica sisters were hired as assistants to Mayte during her preganncy and delivery and were later fired for what they say was speaking their mind sticking up for Mayte. The were sued for breaking their confidentiality agreement after telling what went down during that time

ThickeGirl said:

isobelfq said:

I obviously missed something. who are the Mojica sisters and what do they have to do with this?

p.s.

i don't trust Mani either. as soon as she walked onto the screen i thought "i don't trust this bitch."
she has the aura of the type of person who'll get you to confide in them and then turn around and tell what you said to the person you were talking about and then turn back around to you and try to convince you that she told for the greater good, especially yours. and, scripted or not, i thought it was low down and dirty to brag about her baby to mayte. any real friend would have refused to do something like that. she ain't about shit and mayte needs to wise up and dump her ass.

[Edited 7/8/12 20:06pm]

The Mojica sisters were hired as assistants to Mayte during her preganncy and delivery and were later fired for what they say was speaking their mind sticking up for Mayte. The were sued for breaking their confidentiality agreement after telling what went down during that time

pray tell, what did they say?

prodigalfan said:

lauralevesque said:

Agreed! I can't believe Mayte is friends with Mani- the woman just oozes sinister-ness. Seriously, how can Mayte not see it? That woman is the devil. And Prince- he's the most on-top-of his business- not gonna let anybody screw him- type of man and he got so played by this coniving woman- and she just continues to do it! Evil !

right. I think I called her Snake Woman after someone refered to her as a cobra.

She is shady for sure. Mayte comes off so damn easy... like taking candy from a baby. I bet her mother tried to warn her about Mani. Because Janelle does not seem to be as gullible as her daughter.

Also, years and years ago back when I had a Myspace page (how embarrasing I was "friends" with Mayte on there and I remember seeing her top friend was her sister, who I believe is older and was this cool lesbian chic, so I've got to think the sister would be onto Mani? And telling Mayte to stay away. I can't imagine the sister would be falling for Mani's business as well? Or not warning her sister. I mean, no matter how well Mani plays it, there has to be SOMEBODY in Mayte's camp who's saying Right?

prodigalfan said:

TurnItUp said:

Agreed 100% and I believe those sisters story too.I am a Prince fanatic. I have loved him for nearly 30 years, but just because you are a fan doesn't mean you have to defend him in the wrong. You doin all this defending and he'd probably treat you like shit too. He may not talk about, but apparently loosing the baby has been an affect on him too. Exhibit A: The youtube baby lawsuit silliness. I don't care what none of you orgers say, that was rediculous and I ain't buying he was protecting his music bullshit, I believe that baby reminded him of his baby and I mentioned in a tread that got locked right away he wouldn't even come and hug pregnant Alicia Keys on his BET tribute. Why does Patti have to hug Alicia and the other girls for him instead of him hugging only Patti and Chaka. I don't think he would've had the patience to be a father.

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Not commenting on anything else on this post because I mainly agree with you.. But the bolded;

I dunno.... I think Prince would have been a doting and very affectionate parent. He seems to be very generous and giving to people he loves.

The thing is the love doesn't last very long and then the people are shell shocked when he has moved on. I don't think he would ever not love his children.... so therefore he would love them to a fault.

JMO

I didn't say he wouldn't love them. When I said he didn't have the patience. I mean I don't believe he was willing to make the sacrifice. You see how he lives for the road and how he loves to do these 21+ shows and aftershows. I don't see how you can be at a show at 2:00 am when there is a chance you may get a call that your child is sick and you have to cut your show short or anything can happen especially in the wee hours of the morning or anything that goes with having children or dealing with baby mama drama. Sacrifices. That's what I meant when I didn't think he had the patience. I didn't mean love

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isobelfq said:

ThickeGirl said:

The Mojica sisters were hired as assistants to Mayte during her preganncy and delivery and were later fired for what they say was speaking their mind sticking up for Mayte. The were sued for breaking their confidentiality agreement after telling what went down during that time

pray tell, what did they say?

Try to google it, but in a brief summary they said that Prince tried to control Mayte's pregnancy all the way down to what she ate which was next to nothing. They even had to sneak her to a TGIF so she can eat some real food including meat and then she had to use hand sanitizer so the food wouldn't smell on her hands and he wouldn't find out. When she went into a very excruciating painful labor, they said Prince almost came to blows with her female doctor (Prince would NOT have a male doctor over her) after the doctor warned him about the dangers of Mayte's pregnancy and that she MUST stay in the hospital.

TurnItUp said:

prodigalfan said:

Not commenting on anything else on this post because I mainly agree with you.. But the bolded;

I dunno.... I think Prince would have been a doting and very affectionate parent. He seems to be very generous and giving to people he loves.

The thing is the love doesn't last very long and then the people are shell shocked when he has moved on. I don't think he would ever not love his children.... so therefore he would love them to a fault.

JMO

I didn't say he wouldn't love them. When I said he didn't have the patience. I mean I don't believe he was willing to make the sacrifice. You see how he lives for the road and how he loves to do these 21+ shows and aftershows. I don't see how you can be at a show at 2:00 am when there is a chance you may get a call that your child is sick and you have to cut your show short.or anything can happen especially in the wee hours of the morning or anything that goes with having children or dealing with baby mama drama. Sacrifices. That's what I meant when I didn't think he had the patience. I didn't mean love

Oh I see what you mean. Yeah, I could see that possibility.

prodigalfan said:

TurnItUp said:

I didn't say he wouldn't love them. When I said he didn't have the patience. I mean I don't believe he was willing to make the sacrifice. You see how he lives for the road and how he loves to do these 21+ shows and aftershows. I don't see how you can be at a show at 2:00 am when there is a chance you may get a call that your child is sick and you have to cut your show short.or anything can happen especially in the wee hours of the morning or anything that goes with having children or dealing with baby mama drama. Sacrifices. That's what I meant when I didn't think he had the patience. I didn't mean love

Oh I see what you mean. Yeah, I could see that possibility.

One reason I say this is I don't have children because I didn't want to make the sacrifice and I don't have the patience. I like my freedom. I'm content with being an aunt. Oprah said the same thing in an interview about the not willing to make the sacrifice part.

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Ottensen said:

Okay, finally saw episode 3 from start to finish instead of in bits and pieces. This is what I took from it :

1. Nicole- she seems to have a very positive spirit and is very steady and even. Always quick to smile, and good lawd, if after pushing out 527 kids, if that body is not bangin' . Girl, you betta work with your 40-something year old self.

2. Jessica- I think it's great that she survived all of Jose's nonsense and made a successful career with her cosmetic spa, but she is just a tad to unfiltered for my taste; first the journey into her vajayjay and now humping Nicole's leg (in a public place) to describe Jose's sexual prowess? Girl if you don't go somewhere and sit down. I already said that every reality show cast needs a firecracker to ignite things over time and it's obvious she's going to be it It was good to see Jessica with a therapist considering what she was ready to plunge into with Jose. It was good to see her broach the idea that maybe she's one of those women who's still so sprung by her ex-husband that she pines for him and that was possibly the real reason she was ready to move his broke, cheating ass into her house. That's okay, she wouldn't be the first woman that's been stupid that way for a man, the question is will she wise up to prevent him from disappointing her or her daughter again. Considering one of her closing statements in that scene was, "I like to screw things up"---not likely.

...oh and about that therapist- definitely better than many therapists we've seen on these women/wife shows, but way too emotive to the point of nearly appearing subjective. Not good. She needs to reign it in a bit with her tone and body language. Bethenny Frankel's therapist is the best one on these lady shows right now. Jessica's therapist needs to watch a few episodes of Bethenny Ever After to see how she is not coming across on camera, and become a bit more composed.

3. Sheree- okay Church Lady, you're irritating me. I was really looking forward to following Sheree's storyline because as a Christian, I thought it would be a great opportunity for the world to see how a woman can move on from the past, build a new life in Christ that's fruitful, etc. etc. Okay----this situation of living apart from her husband . There is absolutely nothing wrong with maintaining more than one residence, and I understand her wanting to be close to her son in LA, but what irritated me was the way she discussed the issue with her husband- totally dismissing the fact that his calling from the Lord is in San Diego. Then she's going to tell the man that as a pastor "you can go anywhere!" Umm, really, First Lady? The man is not a sherpa schelpping from village to village, nor is he a missionary. He is the Pastor of a church---he's been assigned by the Lord to attend that particular flock, and needs to stay put and tend to those people's needs. What really pissed me off was her using the quote from Genesis 2.24 (King James Bible) to justify her self-centeredness

"Therefore a shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and they shall be one flesh"

okay...this is where this chick is totally misrepresenting the Word of God, and it's not even cool: First of all, while this statement is meant to fortify that that nothing, or no one should come between people when they are married, Sheree honey, make no mistake that in Christian life, the Almighty comes first in all things, even over your jet set life in LA and and your WhoopAsh Cream. To suggest that her husband should just up and abandon his congregation - that just left a bad taste in my mouth. Furthermore, while she's making the issue entirely about what's most convenient for her, and running the conversation with her husband like he has no say, I wonder when is the last she read the scripture "Submit to one another as you would submit to Christ" ? She doesn't strike me as a person who's open to compromise. That right there is already a misrepresentation of what a Christian marriage is supposed to look like (if we're talking about clergy leading by example).

4. Andrea- I still like her. She's an emotional mess, but I understand her POV and empathize with her. It's clear that she's going to have to press past a lot of her fears about how she identifies in life, in her her career, and so on, but hopefully during this process she will become more confident, finally feel free from the irony of being both protected and restricted being Kelly's wife. Do your art and finally be happy. I liked the scene of the ladies taking their ballet class together; it showed older women who are still vital, active, and not ignoring the creative voice inside of themselves. Hell, I give them 10 points just for still being able to do them damn pliés with any kind of form whatsoever after age 35

---oh, and Andrea's assistant? Too mouthy and in your face. Maybe that flies in Chicago, but in places like LA and New York, not at all. He needs to bring the volume and declarative statements down a few notches and turn it up a little on the finesse and protocol when he's in public with Andrea and she's networking.

5. Mayte- what I got from her discussing her loss is a little different from some of the views here. Actually, at this point, I'm not even seeing "Prince's ex wife", I am seeing a woman who went through horribly tragic experiences, and hasn't yet been able to make sense of it all. To me, the scene on the beach between Andrea and Mayte spoke to something larger than "oh my ex -husband this, that, and the other". The way these girls are hurting speaks to larger themes of loss, abandonment, fear, inertia, resilience, forgiveness, closure, peace, and so on. Additionally, there's the very complicated theme here of how one deals with a divorce in which one's spouse is a powerful figure. The emotional, psychological, financial, and professional fall-out from that is very complex, and never as black and white as "oh just get over it". Mayte's story in particular is so heavy, that I think there will be women out there who have gone through losing a newborn that will be able to connect and identify with her story (and they won't give two pumps and a pistol who the hell she was married to). I just hope that as the show progresses we'll see steps to healing a bit more.

All in all, what I'm getting from this show is that the whole thing is basically just one big ole breast sack of estrogen . I'm surprised VH-1 went this route for a show (considering how young and boisterous their other shows are). I would've expected to see something like this on Lifetime Tv for women, WE, Style, or dare I say it, OWN . Only thing is, with OWN Tv, Oprah woulda had these women in therapy, with a life coach, , building houses for the poor, seeing a spiritual thought leader, and taking money making classes from Suze Orman in every episode

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EXCELLENT Post! I totally agree with this!

EVerything you need to know about Mayte, Prince and the loss of their child as reported by the Mojihca sisters is here:

http://prince.org/msg/5/336650

Warning, its not pretty.

[Edited 7/9/12 17:07pm]

2elijah said:

ThickeGirl said:

I just find it insulting people here think the woman has no right to publicly talk about her child simply because it's Prince child also, like she was simply a hired vessel

Well, I see it as a private matter, and usually celeb couples who lose a child try to deal with it privately, until they feel comfortable to discuss it publically with others, like Mayte is doing on the current show, but only giving bits and pieces of how she dealt with her losses. In my opinion, maybe she should seek therapy to try to find some peace, but it is not my place to tell a grieving parent how to grieve, and there is nothing wrong with thinking about one's loss after a number of years past by. It's normal to have empathy for a parent or parents who have lost their child, but I just find that some people will draw unfounded conclusions from her emotions and somehow, use that as an invitation to bash her ex-husband, who lost the same child, and some have made accusations that are unconfirmed, that he didn't support his wife during the grieving process, as if some who have said this, were there in Prince and Mayte's presence in their most private moments, at the time of their loss..

Like I said, many handle their grief in their own way, and whether any of us agree on how one handles it, it is not our place to tell someone how they should. I empathize with both parents, having a mother who lost her child the day of his birth, and she was not allowed to see or hold the son she carried full term, and she dealt with her grief by immediately indulging herself in work to deal with it, and never discussed it again until years later. All I'm saying is people grieve in their own ways, even if we don't agree, but the least some could do is hold their personal prejudices, and respect both parents for the loss of their child. No one here can confirm he didn't give moral support to his wife during the loss of their child. It is not anyone's place to tell them how they should have grieved over their son, and I'm sure if any of the insults were directed at anyone here who lost a child and read it, it would hurt. Anyway, that's all I got, and my opinion is nothing personal towards anyone, just expressing an open opinion is all, and anyone is welcome to disagree, but I stand by my opinion. And by the way, just to clarify, this is not about drinking some purple koolaid, because I don't know Prince or Mayte personally. That's all I got for now.

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I mostly agree with you, but if it was a privatre matter, they wouldn't have been so public about the pregnancy. All of of sudden it gets private when the baby dies? Does he expect no one to ask about the very public pregnancy? All I'm saying is I believe a mother has a right to determine how public or private she wants to be about her grief without being accused of ulterior motives. Having a famous husband shouldn't be a factor.

TurnItUp said:

prodigalfan said:

Oh I see what you mean. Yeah, I could see that possibility.

One reason I say this is I don't have children because I didn't want to make the sacrifice and I don't have the patience. I like my freedom. I'm content with being an aunt. Oprah said the same thing in an interview about the not willing to make the sacrifice part.

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And Kudos to you. I am noticing more and more women coming to the same conclusion. And not just hollywood types... but women in everyday walks of life.

I only have one. That is all I will have. After I had my daughter... I was good.

I am very happy with that choice now since my daughter is now 12.5 years going on DRAMA CRAZY!

Teenagers!!!

DonRants said:

EVerything you need to know about Mayte, Prince and the loss of their child as reported by the Mojihca sisters is here:

http://prince.org/msg/5/336650

Warning, its not pretty.

[Edited 7/9/12 17:07pm]

Thanks for the link. I think I missed this thread because I read articles I've never seen before.

And I didn't know there were so many different women rumored to be in the mix toward the end of Mayte and Prince's marriage.

Mel B (Scary Spice), Ananda Lewis from VH1, the lady who played Mayte's part in the greatest romance ever sold video.

In fact, no where was Mani's name even mentioned. I guess she was just one of the masses, and she just stood out from the rest.

wow! why bother getting married?

prodigalfan said:

DonRants said:

EVerything you need to know about Mayte, Prince and the loss of their child as reported by the Mojihca sisters is here:

http://prince.org/msg/5/336650

Warning, its not pretty.

[Edited 7/9/12 17:07pm]

Thanks for the link. I think I missed this thread because I read articles I've never seen before.

And I didn't know there were so many different women rumored to be in the mix toward the end of Mayte and Prince's marriage.

Mel B (Scary Spice), Ananda Lewis from VH1, the lady who played Mayte's part in the greatest romance ever sold video.

In fact, no where was Mani's name even mentioned. I guess she was just one of the masses, and she just stood out from the rest.

wow! why bother getting married?

Well, he did say he wanted to annul his marriage to her because he didn't believe in contracts and his "contract" with her rmade him feel liked he owned her because she was his wife and he eventually had to get over that and realize she is a child of God

DonRants said:

EVerything you need to know about Mayte, Prince and the loss of their child as reported by the Mojihca sisters is here:

http://prince.org/msg/5/336650

Warning, its not pretty.

I remember these interviews from the Mojica sisters. If their firsthand accounts of what happened have any shred of truth to them, then I say it's a miracle Garcia is alive, functioning, and not in a straightjacket locked up in a padded cell somewhere from the trauma of those years. Very disturbing accounts, indeed.

DonRants said:

EVerything you need to know about Mayte, Prince and the loss of their child as reported by the Mojihca sisters is here:

http://prince.org/msg/5/336650

Warning, its not pretty.

[Edited 7/9/12 17:07pm]

.....wow....wow....

i knew he was a control freak but damn. even if it's only half true, damn....i got to the part where mayte found him passed out, thinking he was dead and had to stop reading. DAMN!

isobelfq said:

DonRants said:

EVerything you need to know about Mayte, Prince and the loss of their child as reported by the Mojihca sisters is here:

http://prince.org/msg/5/336650

Warning, its not pretty.

[Edited 7/9/12 17:07pm]

.....wow....wow....

i knew he was a control freak but damn. even if it's only half true, damn....i got to the part where mayte found him passed out, thinking he was dead and had to stop reading. DAMN!

For some reason that didn't even bother me as much as the details about the pregnancy, the doctors' visits and the birth. Like I said, even if only the smallest of details in their accounts of working for the Nelsons at that time are true, it's very disturbing.

ThickeGirl said:

prodigalfan said:

Thanks for the link. I think I missed this thread because I read articles I've never seen before.

And I didn't know there were so many different women rumored to be in the mix toward the end of Mayte and Prince's marriage.

Mel B (Scary Spice), Ananda Lewis from VH1, the lady who played Mayte's part in the greatest romance ever sold video.

In fact, no where was Mani's name even mentioned. I guess she was just one of the masses, and she just stood out from the rest.

wow! why bother getting married?

Well, he did say he wanted to annul his marriage to her because he didn't believe in contracts and his "contract" with her rmade him feel liked he owned her because she was his wife and he eventually had to get over that and realize she is a child of God

Girl, if the man was anyone other than Prince, like cousin Leroy in South Carolina, would you actually believe any of that BS ??? For him to be so much into God, surely he realized that when they were wed, took vows... in a church no less, it was under God's directive in the Bible and his alleged anullment wasn't really covered in the marriage instructions in the good book. I gave that man the side eye as soon as I heard him say that crap on The View. I wish a man would come with some bullsh...oh, nevermind. That statement didn't say jack to me other than here was a man who simply didn't want to be married anymore, and he was going to get out of it with as little financial damage as possible . Mind you, that's just my asinine opinion disguised as skepticism, but again- if it were Leroy from 'round the way, or Donald Trump sacking his wife, I think a lot more women would have been giving this statement the side eye, too.

^ I think most women DID give it the side eyed. It is obvious that he had moved on and wanted to save face for his new religion JW. Catholics do that stuff all the time... get annullment so they can move onto wifie #2 and still show face at mass. So I never thought anything else. Also, Mani supposedly filed for divorce.... same thing. Prince saved face by not filing. Like I have said before... who files first doesn't mean that is the one who left the marriage first.

Ottensen said:

isobelfq said:

.....wow....wow....

i knew he was a control freak but damn. even if it's only half true, damn....i got to the part where mayte found him passed out, thinking he was dead and had to stop reading. DAMN!

For some reason that didn't even bother me as much as the details about the pregnancy, the doctors' visits and the birth. Like I said, even if only the smallest of details in their accounts of working for the Nelsons at that time are true, it's very disturbing.

Oh, the details about the pregnancy freaked me out and pissed me off. I'm all for natural childbirth at home with a doula and a midwife but you need proper prenatal care and it sounds like Mayte wasn't getting it. I can't understand how someone could claim to want children so much but then do everything possible to act against that. That's what i mean by him being a control freak. It doesn't make any sense to me but, as i have learned recently, the shit most people do doesn't make any sense.

I wonder if he blames her for how the baby turned out and died. I used to think that Mayte wasn't ready for prince but now I'm starting to wonder if Prince just wasn't in the right place for Mayte, i.e. wasn't ready for her. She gave her all to him and he just dogged it.

still love him though. Wouldn't marry him, but i'd follow him o the ends of the earth for a show.

isobelfq said:

Ottensen said:

For some reason that didn't even bother me as much as the details about the pregnancy, the doctors' visits and the birth. Like I said, even if only the smallest of details in their accounts of working for the Nelsons at that time are true, it's very disturbing.

Oh, the details about the pregnancy freaked me out and pissed me off. I'm all for natural childbirth at home with a doula and a midwife but you need proper prenatal care and it sounds like Mayte wasn't getting it. I can't understand how someone could claim to want children so much but then do everything possible to act against that. That's what i mean by him being a control freak. It doesn't make any sense to me but, as i have learned recently, the shit most people do doesn't make any sense.

I wonder if he blames her for how the baby turned out and died. I used to think that Mayte wasn't ready for prince but now I'm starting to wonder if Prince just wasn't in the right place for Mayte, i.e. wasn't ready for her. She gave her all to him and he just dogged it.

still love him though. Wouldn't marry him, but i'd follow him o the ends of the earth for a show.

I did remember reading rumors that suggested that he did. Rumor posted here on the org said that there was some health report posted on his website back in the day (I think it was L4OA) website.

The report was about links to birth defects and expectant mothers having acrylic nail manicures... or something like that.

isobelfq said:

Ottensen said:

For some reason that didn't even bother me as much as the details about the pregnancy, the doctors' visits and the birth. Like I said, even if only the smallest of details in their accounts of working for the Nelsons at that time are true, it's very disturbing.

Oh, the details about the pregnancy freaked me out and pissed me off. I'm all for natural childbirth at home with a doula and a midwife but you need proper prenatal care and it sounds like Mayte wasn't getting it. I can't understand how someone could claim to want children so much but then do everything possible to act against that. That's what i mean by him being a control freak. It doesn't make any sense to me but, as i have learned recently, the shit most people do doesn't make any sense.

I wonder if he blames her for how the baby turned out and died. I used to think that Mayte wasn't ready for prince but now I'm starting to wonder if Prince just wasn't in the right place for Mayte, i.e. wasn't ready for her. She gave her all to him and he just dogged it.

still love him though. Wouldn't marry him, but i'd follow him o the ends of the earth for a show.

i agree with you isobelfq. i would follow him anywhere for the music but leave out the personal. his behavoir is very typical of men when their children are born "less than perfect". countless mothers of autistic children find themselves alone..... and the only way to interpret that behavior,imo, is that the man is blaming/punishing the woman bcos the child is born "defective". it is to their shame and completely stupid on their parts bcos the child is and will always be half of them too.

Ottensen said:

ThickeGirl said:

Well, he did say he wanted to annul his marriage to her because he didn't believe in contracts and his "contract" with her rmade him feel liked he owned her because she was his wife and he eventually had to get over that and realize she is a child of God

Girl, if the man was anyone other than Prince, like cousin Leroy in South Carolina, would you actually believe any of that BS ??? For him to be so much into God, surely he realized that when they were wed, took vows... in a church no less, it was under God's directive in the Bible and his alleged anullment wasn't really covered in the marriage instructions in the good book. I gave that man the side eye as soon as I heard him say that crap on The View. I wish a man would come with some bullsh...oh, nevermind. That statement didn't say jack to me other than here was a man who simply didn't want to be married anymore, and he was going to get out of it with as little financial damage as possible . Mind you, that's just my asinine opinion disguised as skepticism, but again- if it were Leroy from 'round the way, or Donald Trump sacking his wife, I think a lot more women would have been giving this statement the side eye, too.

Okaaay. I have to admit I fell for that "no contract," "spiritual marriage" BS. I was young Mayte did say the annulment never happened, so I guess somebdoy had to knock him off his pedestal

On Bethenny Frankel's new daytime talk show, every few days she has on a trio of guests to act as a panel to discuss issues grabbing the attention of women. Usually something pop culture related, then usually a survey question regarding relationships/marriage. Here's a recent clip where she invited some of the ladies from Hollywood Exes to stop by for a Girl Chat. I'm starting to see online how younger VH1 female audiences are not connecting with the show so much (it's boring them to tears), but it's more interesting to women who are a bit older and don't need to see women rolling around on the floor trying tom kill each other (like on Basketball Wives or Love & Hip Hop).

^^ Can't see the link, but I hope VH1 doesn't let the younger women wanting to see MAJOR drama influence any decisions on this show. I like it and want to see how ends... not just for Mayte, but also Nicole and Andrea.

prodigalfan said:

^^ Can't see the link, but I hope VH1 doesn't let the younger women wanting to see MAJOR drama influence any decisions on this show. I like it and want to see how ends... not just for Mayte, but also Nicole and Andrea.

You can probably view the link directly on youtube on Bethenny's channel, simply entiitled "Bethenny".

As for the direction of the show, looks like so far so good. I would think younger folks are already up to their ears with foolishness from the other VH1 shows -and those are the very shows that have ignited a lot of public backlash on how women are being portrayed on television. I reckon the Exes show is a kind of panacea from VH1 for the women protesting to see something calmer, where women aren't body slamming their "friends", stealing each other's purses & phones, and basically terrorizing each other into convulsions.

I caught the latest episode.

It seems like Jessica is acting like she just broke up with her boyfriend. I think she still have the hots for her ex and is truly salty that he is moving to Boston because SHE wanted him there... not just because their daughter needs him.

Love love love Andrea. Love her T-O-D comments.

When that guy JC revealed he was married, it seemed like the wind went out of Mayte's sails.

Andrea had a great attitude... "whereever JC came from, there are others like him"

Sheree seems like she was enjoying the wine; slipped up and used a little profanity. Does anyone know what kind of church her husband is a pastor of? I haven't been to "traditional" church in EONS, but last time I went... you weren't supposed to drink alcohol. Even the communion wine was really grape juice. So what branch of religion is Sheree, or have the rules relaxed with the alcohol.

Andrea is pretty funny. And her attitude make her more attractive than some of the other exes who have features that are initially more pleasing.

Dang I am HOOKED. I couldn't even wait to DVR this show. Had to watch it on LIVE TV.

ThickeGirl said:

Mayte mentioned in an interview for this show that her second micarriage will be mentioned later in the show

I really don't get the nerve of some people here with their attitude that it's all about Prince and his feelings; that a mother cannot talk about the loss of her child! How dare you! The women has EVERY right to disuss her loss in whatever amount of detail she wants! Fuck Prince. He treated her like complete shit and was controlling during her pregnancy and after (I believe the Mojica sisters on what happened). A month later he's acting like everything is ok, going on interviews and tours while his grieving 22 year old wife is left alone to deal because he can't deal! Yet, we should be caring about him??? Everyone KNEW she was pregnant. The baby's heartbeat was in "Sex In The Summer." He mentions his child as if he was already here (based on the release date of the album) on "My Computer." Yet, when Oprah flat out asks them if the child is still alive (based on what was already out in the news) poor Mayte can't even speak and she turns to him to answer and the MF says "our family exists..." Okaaay. Be vague all you want to, but this crap is public record. I thought it was completely insensitve and bad husband mode to have his wife sitting up there acting like it's all good.

And we are supposed to FEEL for him??

My sister had a child that was still born, 22 years ago. We talk about him every year on his birthday and who he may have been. He is never forgotten. My sister has had two healthy children since then, but he is never forgotten. The pain is still there. I can't speak for Mayte, but if I went through the shit I read she went through, the pain would sting a little more

You got that right.

I love and respect Prince as an artist but as a person and how he deals with the people closest to him, he comes across as very insensitive, detached and self centered. I guess that's what fame at a young age can do to you.

He lost perspective on what should be important to him. Too many people in and outside of his circle seem to agree with everything he does just because of his celebrity status.

I can understand that he lives in the here and now and doesn't seem to dwell too much on things in his past but that doesn't mean he should treat people who were once important to him like they never even existed.

He's gonna die an isolated and lonely man if he doesn't start taking responsibility for his inconsiderate behavior.