^ Sorry dude... i couldn't say the difference between a trademark and a copyright in the end

If P Diddy owns the name then what's that 2009 trademark Squirrelgrease posted above???

databank said:

^ Sorry dude... i couldn't say the difference between a trademark and a copyright in the end

If P Diddy owns the name then what's that 2009 trademark Squirrelgrease posted above???

that is simply the application - you will notice it says:

REPORT COMPLETED SUSPENSION CHECK - CASE STILL SUSPENDED

databank said:

IMHO the only reason Prince bothers to prevent FDeluxe to use the name (or title) "The Family" and The Time to use the name "The Time" is because of the upcoming remasters.

You honestly think that? He doesn't care about remasters of The Family, his own back catalogue barely figures into it other than ownership (read: $$$).

It's spite plain and simple. He played Screams Of Passion live the other night - what is that, an olive branch, or a big F.U?

NouveauDance said:

databank said:

IMHO the only reason Prince bothers to prevent FDeluxe to use the name (or title) "The Family" and The Time to use the name "The Time" is because of the upcoming remasters.

You honestly think that? He doesn't care about remasters of The Family, his own back catalogue barely figures into it other than ownership (read: $$$).

It's spite plain and simple. He played Screams Of Passion live the other night - what is that, an olive branch, or a big F.U?

Do you have inside information about Prince's plans regarding remasters? If so, please share it with the rest of us. Personally, I have no inside knowledge on what his plans are or what is going to happen. However, if he does plan to release remasters, he ought to be concerned not just about the side project albums, but about his own albums which incorporate contributions by other musicians (i.e., everything from Dirty Mind onward). What's to prevent Lisa and Matt Fink from asserting a claim to any profits from Dirty Mind remasters based on their contributions to that album, after the masters are no longer owned by WB? The same is true to an even greater extent for the later albums. As I said before, I don't see any good reason why he should try to prevent the members of Fdeluxe from releasing a new album as The Family. But paying them royalties for their work on the original album is a different issue, and that seems to be a sticking point in the negotiations based on what their manager said. If The Family are entitled to a cut from a remastered version of their original album, then the various members of the Revolution may be entitled to a cut from Prince's own albums. And that would be reason for both Prince and WMG to be concerned. After all, the original album by The Family is a Prince album in all but name, except for the vocals and a few minor instrumental contributions.

Prince isn't stupid. He can make money out of his back catalogue and this includes side-projects (if properly marketed, e.i. as "Prince" albums, being included in a series). I'm not saying he'd sell 15 million copies of The Family, but he could easily sell a few hundred thousand copies.

But the point isn't as much about the money (he doesn't need it, he makes between $500,000 and a million bucks A SHOW!) as it's about his legacy. I might be wrong but I think that Prince cares about the world remembering him as being one of the most important musical artists of our time. Without a proper archiving program, this won't happen as efficiently. Prince already mentioned that he has plans for "his" albums' remasters and I'm sure he has plans for what's in the vault as well. He just needs to get fully rid of WB for one thing, and he's got no reason to be in a hurry for another thing (he's not THAT old). Look what happened with Crystal Ball in 1998: every one (not just us fans but also music critics) had asked for such a package for YEARS and when he finally did it no one gave a shit: it was too early. In that regard he was right to cancel both Roadhouse Garden and CB II: the more he waits, the more valuable his back catalogue becomes, because his status as a living legend grows year after year (look at how journalists speak of him all the time: now he's almost a living god to them).

And YES, Prince obviously considers all the sides projects to be "his": he had Jill jones remove the Mia Bocca video from her Myspace, he used music from his side-projects extensively on his past websites, etc. He considers it's HIS music, and only HIS and this includes more or less every song he ever not only composed but contributed to in one way or another.

And besides, Prince might be mean sometimes, but I think he's a bit too old to piss off both members of fDeluxe and The Time just for the sake of pissing 'em off It's about business and ownership.

All this is just my humble opinion, though. I might be wrong.

I wonder why they just call themselves St. Paul and The Family there is nothing Prince can say about that.

PurpleChi said:

Not sure whether or not he has legal rights. Didn't Lisa and Wendy say on some awards show that they got in trouble for talking about him in interviews? Although as I recall, they received a courtesy call from Prince suggesting that they keep their mouths shut. He didn't approach the issue with them by sending them papers.

I agree that Prince is being a bit of a prick, but if all those folks signed confidentiality agreements back in the day, he may have a case. However, we don't know how those agreements are worded, so he probably is over-interpreting what constitutes confidentiality.

So yes, he is being a prick. But he was really sore with St. Paul for leaving the way he did. I am just thinking about that concert where he and Jerome B. were dissing Paul during Mutiny. I forget the chant, but Prince kept saying, "somebody's getting them car keys." It was terrible!

Paul Punk of the Month!!!

purplethunder3121 said:

purplenuts said:

I back his position all the way. He has legal rights and he is protecting them.

Legal rights to what--if they aren't using the name "the Family" and using their own brand new music?!

If its their music and name, then he can't do anything and wouldn't waste his time. But if they are mentioning him or doing anything that was restricted in their contract, then he has a right to exercise his legal right...

Militant said:

I like Fdeluxe, and I like Neil, I have spoken with him a few times.

But I'm still seeing Prince's point.

It's not about other bands being called The Family or whatever. It's about THIS band, which is a band that Prince put together, and a band that (so far) has only ever released ONE album, of which Prince was responsible for writing all the songs (bar River Run Dry), playing every single note you hear on the album (bar Clare's orchestral arrangements and Eric's horns, neither of which lead or dictate the structure or key melodies of the songs), the entire look of the band was conceptualized by Prince, and the release, videos, and promotion of the album were funded by Prince from the overall budget that WB gave him for Paisley Park Records.

It simply isn't fair to capitalize on any of that without Prince's involvement. Furthermore, it affects his reputation. Only the hardcore fans like us (the minority) would know that he actually has no involvement in it.

They go out using the name "The Family" in ANY way, people will google for the info and what will they see? Prince's work. "The Family was a band created by Prince in 1985, known for the songs Screams of Passion and Nothing Compares 2 U" etc etc etc.

Guaranteed, vast majority of people that would hear the music or see the band live, would simply assume that it's still Prince behind the boards, writing the music, etc. They don't care enough to research or distinguish the difference or find out what the deal is.

The Time understand that. They wouldn't go out and just do whatever the hell they want as "The Time" without making sure it was cool on Prince, because they're going out there, using a brand that everyone knows he created, playing songs that people know he wrote. It's just respect.

I would hope that Paul, Susannah et al reached out to Prince before deciding to reignite the project and ask if he wanted to be involved, but I have a suspicion that that's not how it went down.

So again, it's about showing respect to the person that not only has a legal claim to that brand and it's history, but more importantly was the person that created it all. That put all the work in for the whole thing to even have existed in the FIRST place.

Adding to the complexity of the entire matter is the fact that (even if they all claimed otherwise) there's UNDOUBTEDLY some unresolved feelings SOMEWHERE with both Paul and Susannah, as far as Paul bailing on the project the first time around, and Prince and Susannah's break-up. Musically it's pretty evident that Prince was extremely upset at both of those situations (obviously the latter more so, but 'Dream Factory' made it pretty clear how he felt about Paul leaving).

That personal stuff might well be water under the bridge as far as we all know, but on top of the other stuff, it's still something else in the mix, no matter how minor.

Again, great post!! I get so tired of people acting like Prince don't deserve his respect for his work. Other folks demand it too!!! If he says NO to something he created...then the answer is NO!!! That's what they signed on for, get used to it. That's the law, that's how it works. Soooo, this just shows, artists need to think before they sign the dotted line, it follows you forever. Its Prince's right, and he should exercise it to the fullest. Its a reflection of him, and he has moved past it, they need to do the same!!

Militant said:

funksterr said:

How is that in anyway different from when Prince left Warner Borthers? Did he not capitalize on all of Warner's investment into his development as an Artist and as a brand?

It's COMPLETELY different. If Warners hadn't pumped money into Prince, somebody ELSE would have pumped the same amount of money and time in. It's just money. It's cold. It has no ARTISTIC value.

You're really comparing simple MONEY to ART? Songs that Prince WROTE and PLAYED? Have you ever written a song? Cos I'm a professional songwriter.... and my songs mean more to me than any amount of money you can name. Pretty obvious Prince feels the same.

At the end of the day, you can twist and dissect it every which way you want, the FACT remains that the only reason this group of people came together and became a known entity is because of Prince and HIS music. Fact.

Do you know who gave them idea to reform? It was ?uestlove from The Roots. Now if you know anything about ?uest, when it comes to celebrities who are huge Prince fans, he's the biggest. The guy wrote a list for Rolling Stone of his favorite Prince jams and included "Baby I'm A Star" live from Landover on the Purple Rain Tour, "Tricky", "Cloreen Bacon Skin", the REHEARSAL demo of "The Bird" and the original P demo to "The Sex Of It". Yeah - he's one of us.

What was his motivation for encouraging them to reform? The simple fact that he's a huge Prince fan and loved their album.......again... an album of songs written, played and produced by Prince.

So again, slice it however you want, but if there's any connection to the original project, whether it's wanting to use the bandname for the band, or for the album, or whatever, that is PRINCE'S call to make. Not theirs. Because "The Family" was not a band that formed itself, funded itself, released an album of songs they wrote themselves. It's really that simple.

I will tell you right now - if I formed a protege act, signed them to a major record deal, funded their entire project from recording, to videos, to PR, wrote and played everything on their songs, designed their image, then they broke up, and 25 years later those people decided they wanted to get back together and rebuild something new for themselves off the back of what I did, I'd do exactly what Prince is doing right now. And most artists I know would say the same.

People say "oh Prince should relax, it's not a big deal, it doesn't matter". If I didn't matter - they wouldn't care about using the name.

sosgemini - I'm not talking about them simply informing him about what they wanted to do, I'm talking about them asking permission to use his trademarked property, his branding, and offering him a level of input, if not a degree of control. That's fair. That's what The Time did with "Pandemonium". Jimmy, Terry, Jesse and Monte all wrote for that album. Because they understood that it was Prince's property, Prince started, funded and wrote the songs for the project, and whatever they do reflects in one way or another on him.

Right again!!! That is what its all about. Prince had enough of WB basically stealing his stuff, he doesn't need the people HE MADE doing the same thing. I demand papers and speeches back from instructors, I know darn well, no one better take one of my songs or poems and use it how they please even if I did give it to them!!

funksterr said:

Militant said:

It's COMPLETELY different. If Warners hadn't pumped money into Prince, somebody ELSE would have pumped the same amount of money and time in. It's just money. It's cold. It has no ARTISTIC value.

You're really comparing simple MONEY to ART? Songs that Prince WROTE and PLAYED? Have you ever written a song? Cos I'm a professional songwriter.... and my songs mean more to me than any amount of money you can name. Pretty obvious Prince feels the same.

At the end of the day, you can twist and dissect it every which way you want, the FACT remains that the only reason this group of people came together and became a known entity is because of Prince and HIS music. Fact. the same.

It's ALL about marketing dollars. The music is the easy part. That's why Immature and Milli Vanilli had careers.

WB seeded Prince, Prince seeded The Family.

Prince outgrew WB's control, The Family outgrew Prince's control.

No money is the easy part. The music, on both ends of your points came from Prince, so regardless of anything else.....its HIS ART. Period!

sosgemini said:

Militant said:

"Decent" is subjective. It's a vague statement with too many variables unless you know all the ins and outs of the entire situation. Which only the parties involved really do. Prince has the right to be protective of something he created, surely? I don't think it's fair to begrudge him for keeping a tight grip on business. (Not saying he always does, but it seems to be the case here.) You know, business is business. Prince isn't a charity or in the business of just giving away whatever to whoever. This is the music business. Neil, FDeluxe's manager is doing the exact same thing. Trying to take care of business and do what's right for his clients. Prince is taking care of business and doing what he feels is right for him. That's led to a dispute, of which one party being right and the other wrong is not a solid fact.

Yes I am - and yes, of course I do. What do you mean by that? Are you referring to Prince's fans or Fdeluxe's? I'm not sure what you're getting at. I love and appreciate my fans, and I go out of my way to take care of them where I can, just recently I sent out a bunch of our merchandise (which we usually sell, obviously) to a number of our most supportive fans all over the world, for free. I've spent my own performance fees before buying back tickets to my own shows from scalpers, not just to sell them back to fans at the door price, but given them to them for free and brought them backstage because they weren't able to get tickets. So clearly yes I do consider them, very much so, but I can't do things like that all the time or I would not make a living.

If I worked very hard on something, gave people a shot, signed them to a record label, put money into their project, developed their entire project, wrote all the songs.....then they split up, and later on got back together without my involvement, without my permission to build something for themselves on top of all the effort I'd put in - I am sure that I would be upset. Wouldn't you?

Again, goodwill is a commodity that has an actual market value. With Prince making "ZERO" off of his decades long ass project, what value is he earning off that hard work by denying his previous employees the opportunity to associate themselves with their own history? Yet, by denying them, just as he is doing with The Time, how much goodwill and cash is it costing him?

The outrage generated from this is the second largest flair up that I have seen since since coming to his site. The dude already can't sell albums and has now put his tour/live show business in jeopardy to protect what? A brand that he is no longer financially capatalizing on? And you are gonna type lengthy dissertations defending him based on smart business sense? Get out of town.

Obviously all you are thinking about is money. Art is about more than money to those that create it. You are saying b/c Prince is being protective of something he created, he is somehow being selfish. The last time I checked, there aren't too many people giving away their prized art. That is not goodwill! You are trying to manipulate the situation and make Prince out to be a bad guy. Its his art, he can do whatever he wants to do with it. Just b/c some folks want to hear this band, which by the way, their memories of this band still leads back to Prince, doesn't mean Prince has to give away his art. Lets see the day anyone on here who's saying, "Prince is crap, he should give it to them" gives up their valuable art!!! I don't know any other artists on Prince's level just giving away their art to other artists..

And Prince isn't hurting any concert sales!! The shows are packed with casual fans who have no need for this nonsense. And anyone who creates something used by the public, they understand Prince 100%

Militant said:

sosgemini said:

The dude already can't sell albums and has now put his tour/live show business in jeopardy to protect what?

You are living in a complete dream world if you believe either of these statements to be true.

Prince is on the verge of selling 50,000 tickets to his UK festival performance in July at £70 a ticket where he is as of yet the only announced act for the entire day (and yes, people already attending the festival on prior days also have to pay extra if they want to stay for the 3rd day).

He's playing on three separate days at the North Sea Jazz Festival the following week. Again, damn near sold out already.

The reality is he could do this anywhere in the world.

You are seriously fucking deluded if you think that a business tiff with an associated act from 25 years ago who are only familiar to hardcore Prince fans in the first place, and some small time controversy about it on his fan forums and facebook will "put his tour/live show business in jeopardy". It won't have even the slightest effect. Do you even see any small time internet music blogs reporting it? Let alone mass media? There we are then.

And LOL at "can't sell albums". LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL. Prince could do a deal with any major TODAY, have the album out within a few months and sell a TON of albums if that's what he wanted to do. Fact.

Right on the mark again as usual!!

GaryMF said:

Militant: given all your experience why haven't you responded to the fact that: 1. It's been verified that prince does NOT own the trademark 2. Titles ofnworks cannot be copyrighted.

I am not sure anyone can say this for sure. Too much speculation. Don't you think that if that were true, the group would just ignore Prince? C'mon, Prince lawyers aren't going to risk their careers just sending out false notices. Don't buy into that, these lawyers know what they are doing! This group stopped using the name b/c they know Prince is right...period. It may have even been in the contract they signed, which is a binding and legal document even if it was signed 25yrs ago. They were just trying to start shit and yet again, ride Prince's fame for some cash, and got shut down. Good for them! If they really don't NEED him to succeed, then they should move on!

databank said:

^ Yes i know but she kept using it afterwards. I guess that u can legally copyright a band's name but that (thanks God) u can't copyright a person's name (or nickname) unless maybe u're the person in question.

You can trademark it and have claim to it if you came up with it. If its YOUR creation, you have rights to it. This is a big problem in this country, people don't know their rights! More people in the biz need to take a page out of Prince's book and get the rights to their stuff and protect it. Too many people stealing these days and cashing in!!

LOL Didn't Ike Turner try to keep "Tina Turner?"

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

GaryMF said:

Militant: given all your experience why haven't you responded to the fact that: 1. It's been verified that prince does NOT own the trademark 2. Titles ofnworks cannot be copyrighted.

I am not sure anyone can say this for sure. Too much speculation. Don't you think that if that were true, the group would just ignore Prince? C'mon, Prince lawyers aren't going to risk their careers just sending out false notices. Don't buy into that, these lawyers know what they are doing! This group stopped using the name b/c they know Prince is right...period. It may have even been in the contract they signed, which is a binding and legal document even if it was signed 25yrs ago. They were just trying to start shit and yet again, ride Prince's fame for some cash, and got shut down. Good for them! If they really don't NEED him to succeed, then they should move on!

You 1) haven't been keeping up and 2) don't understand Trademark law.

It's been verified via the US Trademark database that Prince does NOT own the trademark to the name.

Your rant of posts make it clear you are just a rabid fan and not actually looking at the facts.

GaryMF said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

I am not sure anyone can say this for sure. Too much speculation. Don't you think that if that were true, the group would just ignore Prince? C'mon, Prince lawyers aren't going to risk their careers just sending out false notices. Don't buy into that, these lawyers know what they are doing! This group stopped using the name b/c they know Prince is right...period. It may have even been in the contract they signed, which is a binding and legal document even if it was signed 25yrs ago. They were just trying to start shit and yet again, ride Prince's fame for some cash, and got shut down. Good for them! If they really don't NEED him to succeed, then they should move on!

You 1) haven't been keeping up and 2) don't understand Trademark law.

It's been verified via the US Trademark database that Prince does NOT own the trademark to the name.

Your rant of posts make it clear you are just a rabid fan and not actually looking at the facts.

Gary, it's best if you don't look her in the eyes and just back away slowly.

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

funksterr said:

It's ALL about marketing dollars. The music is the easy part. That's why Immature and Milli Vanilli had careers.

WB seeded Prince, Prince seeded The Family.

Prince outgrew WB's control, The Family outgrew Prince's control.

No money is the easy part. The music, on both ends of your points came from Prince, so regardless of anything else.....its HIS ART. Period!

Ummm no it's not. Perhaps you missed it, but Prince isn't on any Fdeluxe songs. And FDeluxe has as much right as everyone else to sing Prince's songs so long as they pay the licensing fee. That's what he was b*tching about on Lopez.

All this fuss over a group that had one album that was pre- recorded for them and a group that played how many shows? I think we can count them on one hand. A group that has taken how long to release a new album? geesh...

Easy solution: Form a new group FDELUXE (they have) and write/release your own hits!

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

databank said:

^ Yes i know but she kept using it afterwards. I guess that u can legally copyright a band's name but that (thanks God) u can't copyright a person's name (or nickname) unless maybe u're the person in question.

You can trademark it and have claim to it if you came up with it. If its YOUR creation, you have rights to it. This is a big problem in this country, people don't know their rights! More people in the biz need to take a page out of Prince's book and get the rights to their stuff and protect it. Too many people stealing these days and cashing in!!

LOL Didn't Ike Turner try to keep "Tina Turner?"

Yeah- Cause Ike Turner CAME UP WITH IT>...totally shoots your point. Prince has NO rights to the name- P. Diddy does. Pay attention.

thepope2the9s said:

All this fuss over a group that had one album that was pre- recorded for them and a group that played how many shows? I think we can count them on one hand. A group that has taken how long to release a new album? geesh...

Easy solution: Form a new group FDELUXE (they have) and write/release your own hits!

The fuss seems to be about Prince's attitude surrounding a name he has no legal trademark of but wants to hassle the members about use of it anyway. At least that seems to be the general beef.

Now how did Prince pre-record Paul and Sus' vocals, Eric's sax and Clare Fisher's strings? That's some trick.

Have you heard the demos on some of it. It's not the same without most of these elements. Same song, WHOLE different feel.

Collectively this group has played live a TON! Just because it wasn't as a unit doesn't take away from their collective stage experience, performance and writing skills.

They are doing exactly what you are saying - they have moved on. So your point of posting is................?

sosgemini said:

terrig said:

LOLOLOLOLOLOL. this is preposterous. silly.

prince can do what he wants because ....it's his stuff. he doesn thave to do anything with it at all.

It's not his. People have already posted that Prince has no legal ownership over the name. What he does have is the time and energy to hire (not pay, only hire) attorneys who threaten people. And mark my words, while this hasn't made an impact on the dudes concert career, if he continues this crazy acting behavior (not paying attorneys or vendors, cancelling concerts and cutting of relationships and partnerships), he's soon gonna find himself broke. We all know the dude outspends what he earns. We all know he hires unqualified people to run his business. He doesn't pay his taxes on time and ends up paying tons in fees and penalties and he can't even pay his attorney. The dude is heading down a hole that not even Alice could climb out of. It's sad and scary. Tis really is.

Quick question, we all know Prince is very well off financially and not to be naive but, doesn't he have an accountant of financial advisor of sorts to pay something like Paisley Park's light bill?

I have never thought he would be sittin' around on a Sunday in some purple PJs payin' his bills.

Zannaloaf said:

thepope2the9s said:

All this fuss over a group that had one album that was pre- recorded for them and a group that played how many shows? I think we can count them on one hand. A group that has taken how long to release a new album? geesh...

Easy solution: Form a new group FDELUXE (they have) and write/release your own hits!

The fuss seems to be about Prince's attitude surrounding a name he has no legal trademark of but wants to hassle the members about use of it anyway. At least that seems to be the general beef.

Now how did Prince pre-record Paul and Sus' vocals, Eric's sax and Clare Fisher's strings? That's some trick.

Have you heard the demos on some of it. It's not the same without most of these elements. Same song, WHOLE different feel.

Collectively this group has played live a TON! Just because it wasn't as a unit doesn't take away from their collective stage experience, performance and writing skills.

They are doing exactly what you are saying - they have moved on. So your point of posting is................?

Prince wrote and recorded the songs first...Eric has played on alot of P tracks..as has Mr Fisher... YES 'collectively' they have tons of music experience..but we must admit THE FAMILY was a very short lived group and to come back 20+ years later and want to capitalize financially on the songs that P wrote is not legal w/out P's permission. It is very simple. The whole name thing is dealt with as they are now FDeluxe.

I see P's point and I see their point...but I always side on the creator ...if he wrote it he has the right to do what he wants with it.

Perhaps P should start referring to St Paul as punk of the year! (jus kidding...lol)

thepope2the9s said:

Zannaloaf said:

The fuss seems to be about Prince's attitude surrounding a name he has no legal trademark of but wants to hassle the members about use of it anyway. At least that seems to be the general beef.

Now how did Prince pre-record Paul and Sus' vocals, Eric's sax and Clare Fisher's strings? That's some trick.

Have you heard the demos on some of it. It's not the same without most of these elements. Same song, WHOLE different feel.

Collectively this group has played live a TON! Just because it wasn't as a unit doesn't take away from their collective stage experience, performance and writing skills.

They are doing exactly what you are saying - they have moved on. So your point of posting is................?

Prince wrote and recorded the songs first...Eric has played on alot of P tracks..as has Mr Fisher... YES 'collectively' they have tons of music experience..but we must admit THE FAMILY was a very short lived group and to come back 20+ years later and want to capitalize financially on the songs that P wrote is not legal w/out P's permission. It is very simple. The whole name thing is dealt with as they are now FDeluxe.

I see P's point and I see their point...but I always side on the creator ...if he wrote it he has the right to do what he wants with it.

Perhaps P should start referring to St Paul as punk of the year! (jus kidding...lol)

Um. dude. You don't have a clue - do you? They have been and ARE performing old Family songs. That has NOTHING to do with it. NOTHING. Yeah - Paul WAS the punk for leaving AFTER being promised to come out on the road after rehearsing and rehearsing and rehearsing while Prince toured the UK on Parade and let their album fall by the wayside. some promotion and respect for the ban, huh?. At some point you get sick of it and bail. Of course he was like...18 or 19 at the time, so maybe it was a tad immature. What's Prince's excuse at 50 something? Who is the punk now?

PurpleLove7 said:

sosgemini said:

It's not his. People have already posted that Prince has no legal ownership over the name. What he does have is the time and energy to hire (not pay, only hire) attorneys who threaten people. And mark my words, while this hasn't made an impact on the dudes concert career, if he continues this crazy acting behavior (not paying attorneys or vendors, cancelling concerts and cutting of relationships and partnerships), he's soon gonna find himself broke. We all know the dude outspends what he earns. We all know he hires unqualified people to run his business. He doesn't pay his taxes on time and ends up paying tons in fees and penalties and he can't even pay his attorney. The dude is heading down a hole that not even Alice could climb out of. It's sad and scary. Tis really is.

Quick question, we all know Prince is very well off financially and not to be naive but, doesn't he have an accountant of financial advisor of sorts to pay something like Paisley Park's light bill?

I have never thought he would be sittin' around on a Sunday in some purple PJs payin' his bills.

No one knows forsure what his current situation is but we have all heard the story of former bodyguards, dancers and hanger ons being promoted to top level management within Paisley Park and then desmissed on Prince's whim. You have a rotating entourage who are not experts and it's obvious why bills, royalties, vendors and attornies are not being paid.

Zannaloaf said:

thepope2the9s said:

Prince wrote and recorded the songs first...Eric has played on alot of P tracks..as has Mr Fisher... YES 'collectively' they have tons of music experience..but we must admit THE FAMILY was a very short lived group and to come back 20+ years later and want to capitalize financially on the songs that P wrote is not legal w/out P's permission. It is very simple. The whole name thing is dealt with as they are now FDeluxe.

I see P's point and I see their point...but I always side on the creator ...if he wrote it he has the right to do what he wants with it.

Perhaps P should start referring to St Paul as punk of the year! (jus kidding...lol)

Um. dude. You don't have a clue - do you? They have been and ARE performing old Family songs. That has NOTHING to do with it. NOTHING. Yeah - Paul WAS the punk for leaving AFTER being promised to come out on the road after rehearsing and rehearsing and rehearsing while Prince toured the UK on Parade and let their album fall by the wayside. some promotion and respect for the ban, huh?. At some point you get sick of it and bail. Of course he was like...18 or 19 at the time, so maybe it was a tad immature. What's Prince's excuse at 50 something? Who is the punk now?

Zannaloaf, do you know any of the members of FDeluxe or former members of the Revolution personally? Did is an honest question on my part. I'm not trying to start anything.

paulludvig said:

Zannaloaf said:

Um. dude. You don't have a clue - do you? They have been and ARE performing old Family songs. That has NOTHING to do with it. NOTHING. Yeah - Paul WAS the punk for leaving AFTER being promised to come out on the road after rehearsing and rehearsing and rehearsing while Prince toured the UK on Parade and let their album fall by the wayside. some promotion and respect for the ban, huh?. At some point you get sick of it and bail. Of course he was like...18 or 19 at the time, so maybe it was a tad immature. What's Prince's excuse at 50 something? Who is the punk now?

Zannaloaf, do you know any of the members of FDeluxe or former members of the Revolution personally? Did is an honest question on my part. I'm not trying to start anything.

Nope. Met NPG members over the years (not as if they'd remember) mostly in DC at an place they hung out after shows a few times. Even met Prince sort of once. Like "hi" voice cracks. He was hanging out talking to people in DC before a show on the other side of a chain link fence behind the venue. Oh- and Dez and Andre in Georgetown. But that was in 1980.

Zannaloaf said:

thepope2the9s said:

Prince wrote and recorded the songs first...Eric has played on alot of P tracks..as has Mr Fisher... YES 'collectively' they have tons of music experience..but we must admit THE FAMILY was a very short lived group and to come back 20+ years later and want to capitalize financially on the songs that P wrote is not legal w/out P's permission. It is very simple. The whole name thing is dealt with as they are now FDeluxe.

I see P's point and I see their point...but I always side on the creator ...if he wrote it he has the right to do what he wants with it.

Perhaps P should start referring to St Paul as punk of the year! (jus kidding...lol)

Um. dude. You don't have a clue - do you? They have been and ARE performing old Family songs. That has NOTHING to do with it. NOTHING. Yeah - Paul WAS the punk for leaving AFTER being promised to come out on the road after rehearsing and rehearsing and rehearsing while Prince toured the UK on Parade and let their album fall by the wayside. some promotion and respect for the ban, huh?. At some point you get sick of it and bail. Of course he was like...18 or 19 at the time, so maybe it was a tad immature. What's Prince's excuse at 50 something? Who is the punk now?

Dude, when? The Sheila E benefit Jamm,,,,when "have they been " performing songs all this time? as The Family or FDeluxe. How many tours have they done? How many concerts.....can you count them on more than 1 hand?

Please give me a number since I dont have a clue.

thepope2the9s said:

Zannaloaf said:

Um. dude. You don't have a clue - do you? They have been and ARE performing old Family songs. That has NOTHING to do with it. NOTHING. Yeah - Paul WAS the punk for leaving AFTER being promised to come out on the road after rehearsing and rehearsing and rehearsing while Prince toured the UK on Parade and let their album fall by the wayside. some promotion and respect for the ban, huh?. At some point you get sick of it and bail. Of course he was like...18 or 19 at the time, so maybe it was a tad immature. What's Prince's excuse at 50 something? Who is the punk now?

Dude, when? The Sheila E benefit Jamm,,,,when "have they been " performing songs all this time? as The Family or FDeluxe. How many tours have they done? How many concerts.....can you count them on more than 1 hand?

Please give me a number since I dont have a clue.

thepope2the9s said:

Zannaloaf said:

Um. dude. You don't have a clue - do you? They have been and ARE performing old Family songs. That has NOTHING to do with it. NOTHING. Yeah - Paul WAS the punk for leaving AFTER being promised to come out on the road after rehearsing and rehearsing and rehearsing while Prince toured the UK on Parade and let their album fall by the wayside. some promotion and respect for the ban, huh?. At some point you get sick of it and bail. Of course he was like...18 or 19 at the time, so maybe it was a tad immature. What's Prince's excuse at 50 something? Who is the punk now?

Dude, when? The Sheila E benefit Jamm,,,,when "have they been " performing songs all this time? as The Family or FDeluxe. How many tours have they done? How many concerts.....can you count them on more than 1 hand?

Please give me a number since I dont have a clue.

Paul has been performing them for most of his solo career.

on record:

http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/thetruthmpls

DVD:

http://www.filmbaby.com/films/524

Your quote was "...and to come back 20+ years later and want to capitalize financially on the songs that P wrote is not legal w/out P's permission."

Obviously Paul had been performing those songs without any issue for some time now, so that is a moot point. If it was illegal he would have been busted for recording them and putting them on product for sale.

And I have no idea HOW many times he has performed them. But I would assume any time he has played outside of someone else's band.

[Edited 6/2/11 7:33am]