Ok I really don't care about Jill's issues with P or vice versa.

But, it's just odd to me that someone (Jill) who is obviously at odds with P (either personally or professionally) would even want to use material that he was involved in to promote themselves. I would think that if you are trying to distance yourself and your talent from P then use a concert performance or video of a song he wasn't involved in in any way shape or form to promote yourself or your website.

prince you bad boy!!!!! u shouldnt have done that skipper!!!!

Ifsixwuz9 said:

are they at odds *now*? i know she was pissed about how her contract was handled but that's business...not personal. right?

Ifsixwuz9 said:

Since she wrote the lyrics, isn't that her material as well? Also, since that is part of her musical history, should she not be entitled to use it as a stepping stone or a reminder for people who may not know about her past work?
WB was to Prince as Prince is to Jill Jones.

BlaqueKnight said:

And WB is a record company and their only goal obviously is to make money while Prince is an artist who pretends to fight for artists' rights and wants to free music .

sosgemini said:

Hell if I know. But, by what has been posted here over the years about their relationship or lack thereof for the last what? -- 18 years there is some issue beyond this video posting issue.

BlaqueKnight said:

I see your point. But, let's face it Prince made WB a shit load of money. Jill Jones didn't do anything for Prince that any decent back-up singer could do.

Ifsixwuz9 said:

oh lawd, you're gonna get it now!

wonder505 said:

What? Like it ain't true. I mean let's be real here.

Ifsixwuz9 said:

So just because Jill isn't a mega-star and didn't make a shit load of money for Prince, it's okay for him to bully her (and other associates)? What happened to treating people with respect (or doing the right thing) regardless of who they are, what they 'did' for you, or how much they're monitarily worth?

DevotedPuppy said:

See you are missing the point. BK's response stated that Jill was to Prince what Prince was to WB. I took it to mean (and maybe incorrectly) that like Prince expressed his displeasure with his contract/dealings with WB so did Jill with Prince/Paisley Park Records. The difference being that P spent like 17 years with WB making them $$ and most of his back catalogue was done under them.

I just think it's odd that since she was displeased with her dealings with Prince that she would care to use material that involved him at all. I would want to distance myself from him and showcase what I did without his input.

Furthermore, from what I gather she has put out several albums that he had nothing to do with. So why bother throwing up a performance video of a song that's 20 years old that he had input in when you have newer material to showcase your talent?

Business is business. Just like WB didn't cave in to P and his contract whining out of respect and the relationship he had with them. P didn't cave in to Jill whining about hers.


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funksterr said:

Paisley NPG enterprises, and doing this to his staff is kind like advertising more than anger, in my opinion.


If Prince can do it, it's his..

Everyone should write their own music. He was...something to her, and it was cool then, but all bad now...lololol. People don't seem to change...that much.

I like Jill..

I understand that this Youtube.com-thing = good free advertising for independent and underground artists. So, she should mention this! "Prince clipped my free advertising! I doubt that this post of hers = "looking out for the fans".

I'm sure that if she cleared it with Prince, he would do something to help. The bitter fans can do nothing. Feeding this anger to them isn't going to do anything but keep that video from ever re-surfacing anywhere on the internet.
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BlaqueKnight said:

Thanks, you're making my point. For all the grief she's had with P over the years why continue to associate yourself with him and his shit?

Although, like I said she did not do anything for P that any other decent back-up singer could have done.

- Write and produce your material with your own connections.

- Marry a nice man in your 20s who gives a damn about you and your feelings.


Prince did not become this powerful by worrying about "feelings and past associations" too long.

It's just that simple.

Loyalty is sought by the person who needs it, and not offered by the one who does not.


Still, it was probably best to call him instead of "taking-it-to-the-streets".

If she tried already, I apologize.


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Ifsixwuz9 said:

is she associating with him or the art she created....with him?

Linn4days said:

One the blog someone asked Jill:

Did you try to contact Prince? You have access to him more than the average fan, so why not settle this with him instead of lashing out on the Internet. I assume he holds the copyright to this song, but maybe as someone who worked with him he won't mind if you share it? Just asking.

Her answer:
what would make you think i have more access to him than you or anybody else???? i have nothing to do with him

Ifsixwuz9 said:

Your point is flawed. Its not "his shit", its her work, too. What shouldn't se associate herself with songs that SHE wrote along with Prince? If you were an artist, you would understand how an artist's songs can be very personal to them, either for sentimental reasons or just because they are proud of them. The reason doesn't matter. He's using web sheriff to stop her from showcasing her shit.

Ifsixwuz9 said:

Maybe she put it on there simply because she likes that song, regardless of the P associations. Prince still sings songs he wrote about past girlfriends/wives even if they don't speak (I'm presuming he doesn't speak w/all of them anyway).

Serious said:

She did not try to contact him.

Still, Prince has all the chips in this game.

The person who has all the chips can take them at any time, and kill the game..

Sort of like The Conservative Elite of America who proabably killed this economy..

They have the right too..Even, if it backfires a bit. Because it is theres.

She should just call Prince, and have his staff and put one of his NPG Video Players on her site..


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Now, Prince probably doesn't believe that a woman should talk about "sexual notches/exploits on her belt" in the lyrics (or having lovers instead of a husband).

He wrote lyrics like these in the past, and now he seems to be attempting to erase them.

Expect more, and more of the same..
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BlaqueKnight said:

Hate to say this, but even if Jill wrote the song. Do she share OWNERSHIP of the song with him.If she doesn't, then there not much she can do or say about it.

carlluv said:

I know that. As I stated earlier, just because its legal, that doesn't make it right.

BlaqueKnight said:

I know,but that's Prince for ya. If you are on his shitlist i feel sorry for ya.

BlaqueKnight said:

exactly, and it's a bit silly to expect her not to want to include a big part of her career on her resume

also, you might say prince helped her more than she helped him, but who's to really know?

and this isn't just including jill, but if you think of all the "small" people around at the time, and add them up, I think it's a pretty fair conclusion that Prince wouldn't have been nearly as successful without them around. whether it was a lick here or there, inspiration, advice, or even some clever background vox/vocal arrangements.. how far would he have really gone without dez, fink, wendy & lisa, jill, jesse, andre, etc, etc.. I'm sure he would've still been successful but probably not nearly as much

he probably has a lot more to thank them for than a lot of fans would want to admit, and he certainly hasn't been nearly as successful or interesting after they all left
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BlaqueKnight said:

Reading these replies with interest. This from an interview I did with Jill back in 1999...

"I have not had any contact with Prince since 1992. I thought after my mother died in 1995 or even after my uncle died in 1997 (he was his hairdresser), he'd have sent condolences, but he never did."

Look around enough and you find all sorts of facts / stories / rumours about the relationship between Jill and Prince - but I dont think anyone could disagree that at the end of the day she got a bum deal. To be tied to a contract therefore restricting her from releasing her own material (and believe me - a lot of this unreleased material is shit hot, better than anything on the PP album, well - business or spite?

Anyone who knows Jill will know she is a very humble, genuine person - and her "grandstandings" are read, enjoyed and SHARED by a whole bunch of people. She says it like it is, whether it be in music or blog, and for that she deserves TOTAL respect. It's nice to hear someone who used to be part of the PP circus speaking out so forthrightly.

Neil

Linn4days said:

How do you know she hasn't tried to contact him?

sosgemini said:

Stop it you know what I mean. "Associate" as in use material they worked on together as a promotion tool for your career/talent/website, or whatever.

BlaqueKnight said:

Oh! So she soley wrote the lyrics and doesn't hold the copyright to them. Then in that case she's just stupid. And I meant "his shit" as in his DRAMA over his music.