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Printable Snap said: Personality, Ego and the Essence of a man. Which one is he? Being in the world and not of it, is difficult.
Not of it, yet still playing in the muck and mire. For shame. 
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I haven't checked my page in days, and I just read her blog and saw that someone quoted a comment from here. This is just beyond ridiculous. Is he going to go to Jesse's page, Morris' page, Mazarati's page and take down the music and videos? Geezzzz.....get a grip, P.  "Let love be your perfect weapon..." ~~Andy Biersack | |
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ltd022002 said: Okay...ENUFF ENUFF!!! Prince, this has gotten way out of hand. I 4 one am sick and tired of this and so are your fans and now even the people u worked with. Okay, U wanna stop your music from being downloaded illegally...okay I get that. U wanna stop your videos from youtube...okay I get that...U wanna stop your pictures on Housequake and the Org...okay, somewhat I got that. U wanna stop your "former" artists from getting noticed...okay, what the hell! Come on man, what have u done for them since "U" left them 2 fend 4 themselves? Nothing. If I recall, U left her 2 finish the rest of her project on her own while u worked with others. True, U written the song but do that make u "own" the video? If the Bangles posted their "maniac Monday" video, would U stop it? If Shenna Easton did "Sugar Walls", would U stop it? Stop acting like a spoiled ass brat and grow the fu*k up! She's doing this on Myspace for her fans who is on her friend's list (and I am one of them). The key word is "MYSPACE" not "PRINCESPACE".
In a video interview posted by a fan in her blog, she states that she wrote the song and Prince wrote the music. "Let love be your perfect weapon..." ~~Andy Biersack | |
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lastdecember said: In all fairness i still think PRINCE doesnt own anything in the long run, and there is a higher ownership going on, and this issue is going on in alot of places. Take 80's Group EXPOSE they are touring now with the original members under the name EXPOSE, but they are not allowed to play a new song or solo song under that name EXPOSE since the name is owned by their producer Lewis Martinee and his company, which is owned by a much bigger corporation which is owned by another corporation even bigger, so the issue is much more difficult than Prince is a prick, which may be true, but, i think we over estimate his OWNERSHIP.  could this be why The Time never plays new songs | |
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Snap said: lastdecember said: In all fairness i still think PRINCE doesnt own anything in the long run, and there is a higher ownership going on, and this issue is going on in alot of places. Take 80's Group EXPOSE they are touring now with the original members under the name EXPOSE, but they are not allowed to play a new song or solo song under that name EXPOSE since the name is owned by their producer Lewis Martinee and his company, which is owned by a much bigger corporation which is owned by another corporation even bigger, so the issue is much more difficult than Prince is a prick, which may be true, but, i think we over estimate his OWNERSHIP. could this be why The Time never plays new songsif this is the case then maybe we shall not quit with the links because the law say that a owner of the copyrights must tell so. a webb sheriff may do it for him but. he must reveile his source and hand over a letter of ownership Let them proof they are the owners thats truly the law. then we see whats behind all of this "let them proof and proof, till the earth moves" [Edited 2/27/08 1:15am] [Edited 2/27/08 1:16am] [Edited 2/27/08 1:16am] | |
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Snap said: lastdecember said: In all fairness i still think PRINCE doesnt own anything in the long run, and there is a higher ownership going on, and this issue is going on in alot of places. Take 80's Group EXPOSE they are touring now with the original members under the name EXPOSE, but they are not allowed to play a new song or solo song under that name EXPOSE since the name is owned by their producer Lewis Martinee and his company, which is owned by a much bigger corporation which is owned by another corporation even bigger, so the issue is much more difficult than Prince is a prick, which may be true, but, i think we over estimate his OWNERSHIP. could this be why The Time never plays new songsThat's exactly right. There was a release about 3 years ago of live material by The Time. Since they weren't able to use the name, it was released as a Morris Day record called "It's About Time". |
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moderator I met Jill years ago. All I can say is that during that time, she was absolutely estatic to even be associated with Prince, let alone have a single released. She was a bit drawn in by his pull back then, as was most people. It was really apparant that she felt she was a part of something very special and although she was nice enough, I just remember her being in awe of it all.
I'm in 2 minds about all this. On the one hand, I'm a loyalty freak, and I believe in sticking by and with those who have helped me along the way. I don't have to agree with everything they do or say, but a certain sense of loyalty sticks with me, and by them. So I would not be inclined to bite the hand that feeds me (or fed me)!! 
On the other hand, as an artist, I would want to be in sole possession and ownership or joint ownership of my material, therefore with privy to do so as I wish with it in any way shape or form. I know the legal implications are complicated. But surely there could have been some kind of compromise???? But when it comes to P, maybe not! Genius is born, not made. Prince is a Genius. No question. RIP Legend. | |
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Whatever his stance is on a video he isnt even in makes no sense.
Jill is an unbelievable talent and has contributed to so many memorable prince songs, videos and movies. I love her recent music and i have bought more jill jones music than prince in the last 7 years. this control everything attitude is ruining his rep with the people it matters most. congratulations prince, you've become everything you fought against, now youre the machine. | |
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On TomJones.com, you can watch his "Kiss" video.
On ChakaKhan.com, you can watch her "I Feel for You" video. On TheBangles.com, you can watch their "Manic Monday" video. Just pointing this out, because if Prince is really morally and legally in the right here, he must go after them too, right? | |
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Efan said: On TomJones.com, you can watch his "Kiss" video.
On ChakaKhan.com, you can watch her "I Feel for You" video. On TheBangles.com, you can watch their "Manic Monday" video. Just pointing this out, because if Prince is really morally and legally in the right here, he must go after them too, right? I really don't understand the difference either. Especially since, as a Paisley Park artist, she would have had his explicit consent to appear on the TV show where she performed the song. Even though it's his song, he does NOT own this particular performance. | |
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What's to understand. Jill Jones came out with her kissing princes and frogs statement and this is obviously Prince's response. This is not business, this is
war. Personal War. Calling him a little man more than confirms that. | |
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We are talking about her performance video, right? So let me get this straight. You think the writer of a song should have the ability to tell the co-writer/singer of the same song when to STOP singing and performing the song?
You people are crazy as hell. I don't know what countries some of you are from but it damn sure ain't America. That's the complete opposite of what we call FREEDOM. You can't "take your part of the song back" after its out there and someone else has made it well known. All you can do is ask for money. Prince is trippin' and some of you are, too. Oh, and just because something is legal, that doesn't make it right. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: You people are crazy as hell. I don't know what countries some of you are from but it damn sure ain't America. That's the complete opposite of what we call FREEDOM. [/color]
You're funny. Where does one start? [Edited 2/27/08 10:12am] [Edited 2/27/08 10:14am] [Edited 2/27/08 10:15am] | |
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BlaqueKnight said: We are talking about her performance video, right? So let me get this straight. You think the writer of a song should have the ability to tell the co-writer/singer of the same song when to STOP singing and performing the song?
You people are crazy as hell. I don't know what countries some of you are from but it damn sure ain't America. That's the complete opposite of what we call FREEDOM. You can't "take your part of the song back" after its out there and someone else has made it well known. All you can do is ask for money. Prince is trippin' and some of you are, too. Oh, and just because something is legal, that doesn't make it right. Exactly. That's what I was getting at in my post. If he's really legally right, as so many people seem to assume he is, let's see him go after others. He's a bully with money, and I would figure that Jill doesn't have the time, money, or resources to truly fight back against him. | |
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Efan said: Exactly. That's what I was getting at in my post. If he's really legally right, as so many people seem to assume he is, let's see him go after others. He's a bully with money, and I would figure that Jill doesn't have the time, money, or resources to truly fight back against him. I heard/read he got Dr. Fink's too.  | |
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DevotedPuppy said: Efan said: Exactly. That's what I was getting at in my post. If he's really legally right, as so many people seem to assume he is, let's see him go after others. He's a bully with money, and I would figure that Jill doesn't have the time, money, or resources to truly fight back against him. I heard/read he got Dr. Fink's too. was this a collaborated video of Dr. Fink's too? why is Jill and Dr. Fink not challenging him? I could understand the average fan being limited on resources, but I'm quite sure the both of the have access to copyright lawyers that can better address this, especially if everyone is saying that Prince does not own the copyright to the videos. [Edited 2/27/08 12:04pm] | |
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wonder505 said: DevotedPuppy said: I heard/read he got Dr. Fink's too. was this a collaborated video of Dr. Fink's too? I don't know...I don't visit Fink's myspace page often...and I'm not sure if it was his myspace or a different website. I would presume it was a video of Prince & the Revolution or Prince with Lovesexy/SOTT bands, so Fink is in it-- but not sure if that constitutes "collaboration" or simply "hired help" in a Prince video. Jill's situation may be a bit different--Prince is nowhere to be seen in the Mia Bocca video...and she is saying she co-wrote Mia Bocca. I know Fink is credited on It's Gonna Be a Beautiful Night and a couple other songs... 
Maybe our friend Mr. Websheriff would like to release a statement or post a comment clarifying these recent actions. 
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I'm with Jill on this one. It's her in the music video not Prince, and she and we should be able to see it. Prince is going to alienate his fans and the people he's worked with. It's not fair or right. Put yourself in Jill's shoes and imagine what it would feel like if someone had taken your video off the internet without even telling you. The backstabber. | |
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DevotedPuppy said: wonder505 said: was this a collaborated video of Dr. Fink's too? I don't know...I don't visit Fink's myspace page often...and I'm not sure if it was his myspace or a different website. I would presume it was a video of Prince & the Revolution or Prince with Lovesexy/SOTT bands, so Fink is in it-- but not sure if that constitutes "collaboration" or simply "hired help" in a Prince video. Jill's situation may be a bit different--Prince is nowhere to be seen in the Mia Bocca video...and she is saying she co-wrote Mia Bocca. I know Fink is credited on It's Gonna Be a Beautiful Night and a couple other songs...
Maybe our friend Mr. Websheriff would like to release a statement or post a comment clarifying these recent actions.
. [Edited 2/27/08 12:21pm] Dr. Fink is credited as co-writer on: 17 Days, America, Computer Blue, Dirty Mind, and It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night. The five aforementioned songs Prince cannot legally request to be removed from any Fink web site. However, on Dr. Fink's main web site (www.doctorfink.com) He had links to the videos, Uptown, Controversy, and 1999 and three have been yanked. There are no videos on his myspace.com/doctorfink page. | |
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wonder505 said: BlaqueKnight said: Would you also support his fight if he said to you that he wanted royalties from you for playing "his" songs in your mp3 player
I assume that if you create a song and sell it you expect it to be purchased. If he came after me personally, i'd be pissed, but if I knew I downloaded the song illegally in the first place then what would be my argument? I understand that but we are talking about Prince which is why I used Musicology as an example. Even if he would have sold it officially and priced it well, other shows would be for sale and you could still get it for free somewhere. Jill sang her songs and she should have the right to post HER video since its HER image that's in them and not Prince. Lil' dude is trippin'.
I'm surprised the NPG Music Cult members haven't come here to blast Jill yet. [/color] I agree. Like I said, somehow starting July 2006, something changed, before that everything seemed okay. Good response Wonder505 I agree  | |
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blackguitaristz said: SoulAlive said:
speaking of "Mia Bocca"...can someone explain to me what this song is about? In the first verse,Jill makes it clear that she has a loyal lover and that she doesn't want to cheat on him.However,she meets a new guy who's got her going "koo koo" and she wants to do something with him.Could someone explain the chorus to me? Years ago,I used to think she was singing... to the land of Mia Bocca I love another since "mia bocca" means "my mouth",I came up with my own naughty interpretation but I don't think it's correct what's Jill talking about??Hell if I know? I always thought the song was whack anyways. But of course, Jill, who I've always loved, has the stone right to perform this song in any format. This sounds a little more than a bit personal to me. I think P was hip to that article Jill had about P and P was like "Bitch..." So here this is. "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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SoulAlive said: mimi2 said: I'm sure this has been discussed many times, but can someone tell me how Prince and Jill Jones went their separate ways? Obviously, their personal/business relationship didn't end on a positive note.
In 1987,after many years of delays,Jill Jones' debut album was finally released on Paisley Park Records.The album didn't do very well and in 1988,Jill went into the studio with another producer and recorded an album's worth of demos.She was trying to define herself,musically,and probably didn't want to be known as "just another Prince girl".Unfortunately,Prince had other ideas.In 1990,he began preparing her second album.Songs recorded during this period include "My Baby Knows How To Love Me","Flesh and Blood" and "Boom Boom (Can't You Feel The Beat Of My Heart",which was planned as the first single.A video was shot,as well. Jill didn't like these new songs and she didn't like the direction that Prince was trying to take her in.The two were having alot of heated arguments and disagreements.The last straw came when Prince sent Jill the script for 'Graffiti Bridge'.He had promised her a bigger part but when she was reading the final script on a plane to Minneapolis,she angrily ripped it up,much to the surprise of the other passengers
By the end of 1990,it was evident that Prince and Jill had drifted apart.She wanted to move on and take her career forward but he wouldn't let her out of her contract.Thus,she was unable to sign a new record label and release new music for seven years.By 1995,she was singing backup for the disco band Chic.She probably feels that Prince sabotaged her career. Dayum, I can't help but think "maybe she should have taken a eyeliner pencil and scrawled 'slave' on her face". "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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blackguitaristz said: sj1600 said: Add to all this the time she had to spend fleshing out the Vanity/Apollonia 6 albums with her vocals - she must have been the second hardest working person in the Prince camp. Oh, their no singing asses. Jill sung back up from the side of the stage during V6"s live set on the 1999 tour as well. Fuck all of the dumb shit and get Jill her own band. She would have turned it OUT!  "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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PaisleyRose said: If it was/is HER video then no one could stop her from posting it, obviously it is a video with Jill in it, but it does NOT belong to her.
If I wrote and produced a play(and copyrighted it), then had a video made of the actors performing it, and I copyrighted the video...they could not post the video without my permission. They could not perform the play without my permission. A lot of people have been looking the other way when laws such as these have been broken, don't fault Prince because he's choosing to enforce his rights now, even if he chose not to before. If Jill shares the copyright with him, she may have a cause for legal action. If she does not.... sure.. but sometimes there's a difference between what is "legal" and what is "right" or fair. in this case we use common sense, hopefully not clouded by idol worship. ¡The Future Is Ours, If You Can Count! https://www.youtube.com/w...A_zTY0qWWk | |
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prodigalfan said: Dayum, I can't help but think "maybe she should have taken a eyeliner pencil and scrawled 'slave' on her face". touche'! [Edited 2/27/08 19:00pm] | |
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Musicology and Hypocricy rhyme.
Is it just me, or was one of Prince's biggest theme in the 90's teh fact that music has become so commercialised. I am starting to think that rather than waging a legitimate battle over corporate meddling in musical creativity, Prince simply wanted to control eveything about his music. Even aspects that no artist could possibly control. I like U2's theory - as long as people enjoy there music, they dont care. True, thsi is not a good way for emerging artists to earn a living, but it sure as hell will increase attendance at your concerts. Which from what I have read in the past few years, Mr. Purple himself has made close to a cool billion from..... I used to see Prince as a symbol of what was wrong with the music industry, and a King Arthur figure, being able to stad up to corporate symoblism in music. Now I think he is without a doubt one of the greatest musical geniuses of all time, but one that loves to throw pointless tantrums - against, of all people, his fans.
Will be interesting to see how this pans out. I mean everything I have said respectively. P | |
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Good to see that you can work with Prince & still have a mind of your own in the aftermath. Cut the cords, people. The man is a dick. | |
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viewaskew said: Good to see that you can work with Prince & still have a mind of your own in the aftermath. Cut the cords, people. The man is a dick.
For every time you post, I'm convinced you are, in fact, Mr. Smith himself. Not that you would admit it on here, but if you are, I love your movies man. Hit me with a private message and let me know how I can get an audition for "Red State" - since I assume filming has finished for Zach & Miri? Or do I have to steal your dog like in that episode of Joey you were in?  |
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Prince:
"You know, I have to find new ways to get people to stop following my career..... Sue everyone! That's a great idea! It's worked out well for the RIAA." Prince is now Warner Brothers and we are his slave..... "So strange that no one stayed at the end of the Parade..." - Wendy & Lisa's "Song About" on their 1987 self-titled album.
 RIAA
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weirdozmedia said: PaisleyRose said: If it was/is HER video then no one could stop her from posting it, obviously it is a video with Jill in it, but it does NOT belong to her.
If I wrote and produced a play(and copyrighted it), then had a video made of the actors performing it, and I copyrighted the video...they could not post the video without my permission. They could not perform the play without my permission. A lot of people have been looking the other way when laws such as these have been broken, don't fault Prince because he's choosing to enforce his rights now, even if he chose not to before. If Jill shares the copyright with him, she may have a cause for legal action. If she does not.... sure.. but sometimes there's a difference between what is "legal" and what is "right" or fair. in this case we use common sense, hopefully not clouded by idol worship. Exactly. Smart post. | |
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Poor poor, Prince...isn't it sad to watch an artist, a TRUE artist degenerate into what he has become. As much as I liked him back in the day, that 'like' is swiftly reversing itself. I'm really close to despising the hideous parody of himself he's become. As an owner or practically all his catalogue, I wish there were a way I could share it with the world, for free, without getting 'caught'. He deserves nothing less than to be bootlegged at this point. I'll never, NEVER purchase another song by him EVER! (and this is coming from a former TRUE fan!). My name is Prince  and I want your money | |
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